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A91309	Truth triumphing over falshood, antiquity over novelty. Or, The first part of a just and seasonable vindication of the undoubted ecclesiasticall iurisdiction, right, legislative, coercive power of Christian emperors, kings, magistrates, parliaments, in all matters of religion, church-government, discipline, ceremonies, manners: summoning of, presiding, moderating in councells, synods; and ratifying their canons, determinations, decrees: as likewise of lay-mens right both to sit and vote in councells; ... In refutation of Mr. Iohn Goodwins Innocencies Triumph: my deare brother Burtons Vindication of churches, commonly called Independent: and of all anti-monarchicall, anti-Parliamentall, anti-synodicall, and anarchicall paradoxes of papists, prelates, Anabaptists, Arminians, Socinians, Brownists, or Independents: whose old and new objections to the contrary, are here fully answered. / By William Prynne, of Lincolnes Inne, Esquire.	Prynne, William, 1600-1669.	1645 (1645)	Wing P4115; Thomason E259_1; ESTC R212479	202,789	171

over them both in and out of Synods After this in the very height of Popery and the revivall of it in England in the first year of Queen Mary a Parliament and Convocation being summoned to re-establish Popery the Queen her selfe appointed and commanded a publike Disputation to be held at Pauls Church in London in the Convocation house about the matter of the Sacrament which was accordingly held and continued six whole dayes many Earles Lords knights Gentlemen and divers of the Parliament Court and City being present at it to the end that they might constitute Laws of the matters of Religion debated which the Queen and Parliament might ratifie The Disputation being ended The Queen sent a Writ to Bonner Bishop of London to dissolve the Convocation which was done accordingly So that this Convocation did nothing in matter of doctrine or discipline even in these times of Popery but what the Queen did first direct and limit them Queen Mary deceasing and Queen Elizabeth a Protestant Princesse succeeding her called a Parliament and Convocation to suppresse Popery and re-establish the Protestant true Religion To effect which with more facility this pious Queen having heard of the diversity of opinions in maters of Religion among sundry of her loving Subjects and being very desirous to have the same reduced to some godly and christian concord by the advice of the Lords and others of the Privy Councell as well for the satisfaction of persons doubtfull as also for the knowledge of the very truth in certain matters of difference commanded a convenient chosen number of the best learned of either part to conferre together their opinions and reasons concerning three particular points that should be prescribed to them thereby to come to some good and charitable agreement with all convenient speed Hereupon nine of the learnedst Papists were chosen on the one side and nine of the ablest Protestants on the other to debate these three Propositions prescribed to them in writing 1. It is against the word of God and the custome of the ancient Church to use a tongue unknown to the people in common Prayer and the administration of the Sacraments 2. Every Church hath authority to appoint take away and change Ceremonies and Ecclesiasticall Rites so the same be to edification 3. It cannot be proved by the word of God that there is in the Masse offered up a sacrifice propitiatory for the quick and the dead It was further resolved by the Queens Majesty that the conference on both parties should be in writing for avoiding much altercation of words that both sides should declare their minds opinions and reasons in writing and at the same day deliver them mutually one to the other to be considered and to return their answers thereto in writing by a certaine day Immediately herupon divers Nobles and States of the Realme understanding that such a meeting and conference should be in certain matters whereupon In the Court of Parliament consequently following some Lawes might be grounded they made earnest request to her Majesty that the parties of this conference might be ordered to put and read their Assertions in the English tongue and that in the presence of them of the Nobility and of The Parliament House for the better satisfaction and ordering of their owne judgements to treat and conclude of such Lawes as might depend hereupon This also being thought very reasonable was signified to both parties and so fully agreed upon and the day appointed for the first meeting to bee the Friday in the afternoone being the last of March at Westminster Church At which day and place both for good order and for honor of the Conference By the Queens Maiesties Commandement the Lords and others of the privie Councell were present and a great part of the Nobility also The Lord Keeper and the rest of the Lords bearing chiefe sway in ordering this conference as you may read at large in Master Fox in the second dayes discourse In this Conference I shall onely observe two passages of the Protestant party The first is the begining of their Prologue to their written Conference in these words For as much as it is thought good to the Queens most Excellent Majesty unto whom in the Lord all obedience is due that we should declare our Iudgement in writing upon certain Propositians We as becometh us to do herein most gladly obey The next is their third observation from the law of Justinian the Emperor commanding all Bishops and Priests to celebrate the holy oblation and prayers in Baptisme with an audible voyce c. And let them know this that if they neglect any of these things the dreadfull judgement of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ shall fall upon you neither will wee when wee know it rest and leave it unrevenged viz. That this Emperour being a christian did not only make Constitutions of Ecclesiasticall matters but also threatneth revenge and sharp punishment to the violaters of the same Therefore they held he had an obliging power over his Subjects and a coersiveauthority vested in him to enforce obedience to his Lawes of which more hereafter As this was the practise of this blessed pious Queen in the begining of her Raigne to prescribe to her Clergy in Convocation what they should treat off and how So it continued in use and was punctually submitted to by all Convocations during her Raigne and that not onely as a matter of complement but of conscience religion and the established doctrine of the Church of England as you may read at large in Bishop Jewels Apology of the Church of England and in the Defence of his Apologie against Harding part 6. c. 9. to 16. p. 689. to 766. a learned full discourse to this purpose and in Bishop Bilsons true Difference between Christian Subjection unchristian Rebellion the second part to omit all others who have handled this subject in her Raigne It seemes therefore strange to me that this which was reputed the true doctrine of the emmine●test learnedest writers Reformers of this Church and of the Church of England it selfe from the begining to the end of her happy Raign and ever since should bee deemed meere Antichristian Diabolicall theomacall and meer Popish doctrine now when as the contrary opinion is really such Our late Soveraigne King James in his Letters Patents before the Ecclesiasticall Canons and Constitutions made in Convocation A● 1603. recites that he called that Convocation by his Writ and that ●e did By severall Letters Patents under his Great Seale of England the one dated the 11. of April the other the 25. of Iune in the first year of his Raigne Give and grant full free and lawfull liberty power and Authority unto the sayd Clergy in their Convocation who without such a Patent and License could debate and conclude nothing else it had been vaine and superfluours To conferre Treat Debate Consider Consult and agree of and upon

not onely in their Pulpits but likewise in sundry late Pamphlets wherewith they have filled the World That every particular Congregation of visible Saints and Independent Church is under the Government of Christ alone as the ONELY Head King Governour Law-giver of it and subject TO NO OTHER IVRISDICTION then that of Christ his word and Spirit That NO POWER ON EARTH NOR EARTHLY LAW-GIVERS MAY CAN OR OVGHT TO GIVE LAWES FOR THE GOVERNMENT OF THIS REPVBLIKE nor claime nor exercise an Headship or undertake the Government of this Body That neither KINGS NOR PARLIAMENTS NOR SYNODS have any Authority to prescribe Lawes or Rules for the Churches Government to order the affaires of Christs Kingdome or institute the Government of his Churches or to make coactive Lawes in any Ecclesiasticall matters to bind the conscience of any Church or Christian to outward conformity or inflict any mulcts or penalties for contempt or disobedience Christ onely being the Lord of mens consciences which ought to be left at liberty That the Members of the Parliament are chosen but by a secular Root by the Generality and Riffe Raffe of the world Papists Atheists Drunkards Swearers Men voyd of the knowledge feare and grace of Christ And therefore the Independent Brethren conceive as great AN IMPOSSIBILITY that a Legitimate Ecclesiastick Power should according to the mind of Christ bee by them conferred upon any men or that they should have any Power or Authority from Christ to nominate or appoint who shall bee the men by vertue of such nomination or election to enact Lawes and Statutes in matters of Religion and to order under mulcts and penalties how men shall worship and serve God as it is in Jobs expression to bring a cleane thing out of an uncleane That the Parliaments claiming or exercising any such Ecclesiasticall Power or others attributing of it to them is a meanes to awaken the eye of Jealousie upon them and seven times more destructive and under-mining of not onely their Power but Honour Peace nd Safety also than any thing that is found in the Independent Way so ill entreated That it is a claiming of the sacred and incommunicable Royalties of Heaven an accounting it no Robbery to make themselves equall with God and such an high provocation in the eyes of the Most High as IF CONTINVED IN by the Parliament will kindle a fire in the brest of him whose name is Jealous which will consume and devoure Yea one of them puts this Question If the whole Kingdome may deny obedience unto Popish Acts and Canons or upon any other like just occasion and they themselves bee Judges whether the occasion bee just or no Whether MAY NOT INDEPENDENTS a part of the Kingdome onely doe the like in all respects Or Whether ought they because a Lesser part of the Kingdome yeeld obedience to Popish Acts and Canons because a Major part approve of and agree with a Parliament and Synod in approving them What if they should be for Popery again Judaisme or Turcisme t is no offence to make a Quere nor impossible to come to passe the greatest part of those that chose our Parliament men being thought to be Popishly or Malignantly affected c. Putting divers such like Queries destructive to the very fundamentall Power and Being of Parliaments and as bad or worse than the Popish Gun-powder Plot to blow up the Soveraign Ecclesiastick and Civill Authority of this High Court in all succeeding Ages These with infinite other Anti-Parliamentall Anti-Synodicall and Anti-Monarchicall Paradoxes at which I professe I stand amazed have not onely dropped from the Lips but Pens of sundry Independents who have avowed them publikely in Print with their Names affixed to their Bookes even before the face of Your Right Honourable Parliamentary Assembly and Supreme Tribunall in such open affront and high contempt of Your undoubted Rights Power Priviledges which Your Honours and wee all are obliged by Late Solemne Oathes Covenants Protestations to defend maintaine with our very Lives and Estates and to discover oppose all others who shall invade them to our uttermost power as I am confident no Age nor History can ever parallel in the least measure the very Malignant Prelates and Anti-Parliamentary Cavaliers having not proceeded in this kind so farre as they which I speake with deepest griefe of heart and spirit out of Conscience of that common Vow and Covenant which bindes mee to discover oppugne reveale abhorre it and detestation of their most pernicious Assertions not out of the least malice or hatred to any of their Persons What the Independents end of publishing these desperate Anti-Parliamentary Paradoxes should be unlesse to prepare their party and all others as much as in them lies utterly to reject whatever publike forme of Church-Government Discipline Reformation and Directory of Worship Your Honours by the advice of the Reverend Assembly shall establish in our Church for the future after all your serious consultations debates paines Prayers and Fastings about it and to set up their owne Anomolous Platforme which they averre is Christs Kingdome and Government and which may upon probable and higher grounds than of reason bee thought in time to overthrow and put downe all other Governments whatsoever and to stand up alone in their stead since Christs Kingdome shall stand up when all opposite earthly Kingdomes like earthen vessells shall with an Iron Rod bee dashed in peeces Which they close up with a Faxit Deus festinet in despight of Your Authority and all humane Power whatsoever I cannot conjecture And their owne late printed Passages with Mr. Iohn Goodwins Sermon that it would be more easie for him and hee should rather yeeld to bee torne in pieces by wild horses than submit to such a Government which proceeded from a Parliament chosen by the Riffe-raffe of the world c. intimate and expresse as much Which what an high contempt it is against Your undoubted Power and pious Ecclesiasticall proceedings in Reforming setling the Doctrine Discipline and Government of our Church the grand desire and prayer of all wel-affected spirits I most humbly submit to Your saddest thoughts and deepest wisedomes who have both Power and Authority in Your hands to suppresse incomparable Prudence and Providence to prevent these growing dangerous Insolencies before they become Masterlesse or Epidemicall past Your cure Farre be it from my thoughts to exasperate Your Power or Iustice against any Delinquents of this kind some whereof are so neare and deare unto mee that it is my heaviest affliction to mention their extravagancies in this kind of which I trust they and all their followers will be now ashamed and a Brotherly Admonition to their Persons though their Writings undergoe the sharper Censure will I hope induce them upon second thoughts both to discerne lament recant their fore-mentioned Paradoxes and abhorre themselves for them even in dust and ashes as one of them professeth hee will doe in case hee be convinced And

Emperors Edict that they should reason of the faith and Arrian opinions in the hearing of Leonas a Layman of great authority and fame in the Emperours Court who was chief President in that Synod to order it who in the first day of its assembly commanded that every one should freely propose what pleased him best touching the questions of faith there controverted he and Laurocius Captaine of the Garrison in Isauria swaying that Councell ordering what they should treat of and how proceed Yea Constantius himselfe as Nicephorus records appointed both the Synods of Ariminum and Seleucia by his letters that they should first of all decide the controversie of the profession of the faith afterwards deliberate of other Ecclesiasticall sanctions and after that of those Bisho●s that had been wrongfully deposed or banished The second generall Councell at Constantinople was enjoyned by Theodosius the elder who called it to confirme the Decrees of the Councell of Nice and to deliberate upon whom the See of Constantinople then voyd should be conferred In the fourth generall Councell of Chalcedon Pulcheria the Empresse writes to Strategus Consul of Bithynia to have a 〈◊〉 that the Synod should observe all discipline and order without commotion or contention and in this Councell divers of the Emperors great temporall Officers and Senators of State sate as chief Moderators Governours Iudges ordering and directing the Bishops who did nothing but by their advice and permission according to the Emperor Martianus instructions in his Oration in and to that Synod and his Epistles to Count Elpidius In this Councell Dioscorus Juvenalis and Thalassius were condemned and put from their Bishopricks by the Lay-Iudges and many noble Senators presiding in it who used this speech in that Councell concerning the debates of faith We see that touching the right Catholike faith the next day wheron the Councell shall meet there must be had a more diligent examination When all matters were ended the Bishops and Councel remitted all their acts to the Emperours Majesty yea when the Senate and Emperor had concluded and published their Iudgements of the Councels determinations The Bishops of the East brake out into these acclamations Iust and right is the Iudgement Long life to the Senate many yeares to the Emperour acknowledging them the supream Iudges as well in Ecclesiasticall Causes and matters of Religion as in temporall affaires Whence the Emperour Theodosius writ thus to this Councell Because we know the most magnificent Florentius a Nobleman to be faithfull and approved in the right faith Therefore we will that he be present to heare the debates of the Synod because the Disputation is concerning matters of faith he being one of the Iudges in this Councell This Emperour Theodosius the better to bring his Churches unto unity then miserably distracted about matters of faith Commanded an assembly of the Bishops and best learned men to appeare before him and to write several confessions of their faith That himselfe might Iudge between them which faith was best Having received their writings he commanded publike prayers to be made and himself also prayed both publikely and in private that it would please God to assist him with his holy Spirit and to make him able to Iudge justly then he perused and considered each Confession assunder by it self and in conclusion alowed onely the Catholikes and condemned the confession written by the Arrians and Eumonians and tore them in pieces Theodosius the yonger sent his letters to Dioscorus the Patriark of Alexandria in this and in the second Councell of Ephesus with these words We decree that the most holy Bishops meeting together this vaine doubt may be discussed and the true Catholik Faith confirmed Therfore your Holinesse bringing ten of the most reverend Metropolitanes that be within your Province and ten other holy Bishops well accounted of for their learning and conversation shall hasten withall speed to meet the rest at Ephesus by the first of August next no Bishop besides the foresaid troubling the sacred Synod If any Bishop fayle to come to the place prefixed at the time appointed he shall have no excuse neither with God nor with us As for Bishop Theodoret whom we command to attend at home on his own Church we determine that he shall be none of our assembly unlesse the whole Councell thinke good to have him one But if any dissent We command that the Synod fit without him and dispatch those things which we have appointed them And in his second letters to the same Bishop Because we suspect that some of Nestorius favourers will do their best to be present at this Councell Therefore we thinke needfull to advertise you and the whole Synod that not onely in respect of Theodoret but of all others which have ought to do in your Councell we give you the preheminence and chiefe authority And those that adde or diminish any thing to or from the Nicene Fathers and the Fathers since that assembled at Ephesus We suffer them not to presume any thing in this sacred Synod but will have them subjected to your Judgement because we have appointed this Synod for that purpose And in the very same Councel he likewise commanded That those Bishops who not long before sate in judgement upon Eutiches should be present but silent and give no voices with the rest as Judges but expect the common determination of all the rest of the sacred Fathers And also commanded that they should neither say neither do any thing in the sacred Councell untill the right faith were considered Yea the Emperour Martian charged the 630. Bishops in this great Councell That none of them should dare dispute of the Nativity of our Lord and Saviour Christ otherwise that the 318. Fathers of Nice determined And in the same Councell Eusebius Bishop of Dorilaeum put up a supplication to the Emperours Martian and Valentinian against Dioscorus Patriarke of Alexandria with these words In most humble wise we beseech your Majestie that you will command the Reverend Bishop Dioscorus to answer to those things that we lay to his charge for confirming a wicked heresie and deposing us unjustly directing your sacred Precept to an oecumenicall Councel of Bishops to hear the matter between us and the said Dioscorus and then to certifie your Majesties of the whole cause that you may doe therein what shall please your Graces Iustinian the Emperor limited the fift generall Councell of Constantinople and the Bishops in it how they should proceed and what they should treat of to wit of the three Chapters by his letters to them and they there accord what the Emperor did specially command them to doe Constantius Pogonatus prescribed the sixt generall Councell of Constantinople called by him to handle and define the Chapter delivered to them by his appointment and to prove the same by holy generall Synods and Fathers yea himselfe sate President in that Councell and directed

Edward the 6. his Reigne are most punctuall and pegnant evidences hereof as namely 1. Edw. 6. ch 11. For administring the Sacrament in both kindes therein proved necessary by sundry Texts of Scripture and punishing such persons as shall unreverently speake against the Sacrament with Temporall and Ecclesiasticall censures ch 2. concerning the election and creation of Bishops by the Kings Letters Patents and what Processe and Seales they shall use declaring that they have no Ecclesiasticall jurisdiction but meerely from the King ch 9. For uniting certaine Churches within the City of Yorke ch 12. which abolisheth Sanctuaries and Clergy in some cases 2. and 3. E. 6. ch 1. For the Vniformity of service and the administration of the Sacraments throughout the Realme ch 13. For the true payment of Tythes ch 19. For abstinence from flesh ch 20. Concerning Recusants ch 23. For positive Lawes made against the Mariage of Priests ch 23. The repeale of a Statute touching Precontracts of Mariage 3. and 4. E. 6. ch 10. For the abolishing and putting away of diverse superstitious Popish Books and Images chap. 11. That the Kings Majesty may nominate and appoint 32. persons halfe Clergy-men and halfe Laymen to peruse and make Ecclesiasticall Lawes ch 12. For the manner of Ordaining Ecclesiasticall Ministers and Consecrating Bishops ch 15. Against fond and phantasticall Prophecies 5. and 6. E. 6. ch 1. For the uniformity of Common Prayer and administration of the Sacraments ch 3. For the keeping of Holy-dayes and Fasting dayes ch 4. Against fighting and quarelling in Churches and Church-Yards ch 12. For the lawfulnesse of Priests Mariage and legitimation of their children chap. 13. Touching Religious persons and c. 23. Against Vsurie All these are clearely Ecclesiasticall Acts yet made by Parliament The Statutes in Queene Maries Reigne though of a different Religion from her brother and a zealous Pontifician sufficiently evidence the jurisdiction of our Princes and Parliaments in matters of the Church and Religion witnesse 1. Mar. Parl. 1. Ses 2. Chap. 2. Repealing diverse acts-made touching Religion in King Edward the 6. his Raigne and setting up Masse and the old Lyturgies againe chap. 2. Against Offendors of Preachers and other Ministers in the Church or Church-Yard or interrupting them in their Sermons or saying Masse under paine of imprisonment fines and Ecclesiasticall censures chap. 15. For re-edifying the parish Church of Saint Ellins in Stangate 1. Mariae Par. 2. c. 1. Declaring That the Regall power of this Realme is in the Queenes Majesty as fully and absolutely as ever it was in any of her most Noble Progenitors Kings of this Realme chap. 3. Being an Act of Repeale of two severall acts in the 7. yeare of King Edward the 6. touching the dissolution of the Bishoprick of Durham Chap. 9. Touching Ordinances Rules c. in Cathedrall Churches and Schooles c. 10. Repealing a statute for the uniting of the parish Churches of Onger and Greensted in the County of Essex 1. and 2. Phil. and Mary chap. 6. For the reviving of three Statutes made for the punishment Of Heresies and that with forseiture of Lands imprisonment and death in some cases chap. 8. Intituled an Act repealing all Statutes Articles and provisions made against the See Apostolike of Rome since the 20. yeare of King H. 8. and restoring the Bishops with their Courts offices the Pope himselfe to their former usurped jurisdictions in England ratifying this Popes very Bulles and dispensations to make them valid and setling the whole affaires of the Church of England chap. 9. 20. For the punishing of traiterous Sermons and Prayers against the Queene chap. 17. Concerning leases of some spirituall persons and 2. and 3. Phil. and Mary chap. 4. For the extinguishment of first fruits c. All Ecclesiasticall Statutes In Queen Elizabeths happy Raigne there are sundry Statutes abundantly manifesting her own and the Parliaments supreame Iurisdictions and Legislative power in matters of Religion Church-government Discipline c. as namely 1 Eliz. c. 1. An Act restoring to the Crowne the ancient Jurisdiction OVER THE STATE ECCLESIASTICALL SPIRITVALL and abolishing all fortaigne power repugnant to the same which gives the Queen her heires and successors all manner of Ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction in and over all Ecclesiasticall persons and causes and power to correct redresse and reform all manner of HERESIE SCHISME ERRORS ABVSES OFFENCES ECCLESIASTICALL prescribes the oath of Supremacy which all are to take and most Independents have formerly taken wherein they do utterly testifie and declare in their consciences that the Queen and her Successours are the onely supreame Governours of this Realme and other their Dommions as well IN ALL SPIRITVALL OR ECCLESIASTICALL THINGS OR CAVSES as temporall c. which jurisdiction of theirs they sweare to their power to assist and defend Which oath if any refuse to take hee shall forseit all his Ecclesiasticall promotions and temporall offices This Act likewise abolisheth the Popes jurisdiction under pain of a praemunire and other mulcts against the maintainers of it It determines what shall be adjudged HERESIE and what not namely Only such matter and cause as heretofore hath been determined ordered and adjudged to be heresie by the authority of the Canonicall Scriptures o● by the first foure generall-Councels or any of them or by any other generall Councell wherein the same was declared heresie by the expresse and plain words of the Canonicall Scripture or such as hereafter shall be ordered IVDGED OR DETERMINED TO BE HERESIE BY THE HIGH COVRT OF PARLIAMENT OF THIS REALME with the assent of the Clergy in their Convocation to wit by way of assistance and advice cumulatively not negatively as if their assent were simply necessary So as by this Act the Parliament is made the sole proper Iudge what is or shal be reputed punished as heresie what not how it shal be punished the highest point of Ecclesiasticall jurisdiction Ch. 2. For the uniformity of Common prayer and service in the Church and administration of the Sacraments enjoyning conformity under temporall and Ecclesiasticall punishments is an irrefragable proofe of the Parliaments Ecclesiasticall power in all Church matters and 1 Eliz. c. 3. 4. 6. 5 Eliz. c. 1. For the assurance of the Queens royall power over all States and Subjects within her Highnesse Dominions ch 23. For the due executing of Writs de Excommunicato capiendo ch 28. For translating of the Bible and divine Service into the Welch tongue 8 Eliz. c. 1. Declaring the manner of making and Corsecrating the Archbishops Bishops and Ministers of this Realm to be good lawfull and perfect ratifying the Booke of common Prayer and of Ordination together with the Queens Soveraigne Ecclesiasticall Authority 13 Eliz. c. 2. Against the bringing in and putting in execution of Bulls and other instruments of the See of Rome chap. 8. Against Usury ch 19. concerning Dilapidations c. 12. To reforme certain disorders touching Ministers of the Church ratifying the 39.

ends of the World shall turne unto the Lord and all the kindreds of the Nations shall worship before him for THE KINGDOME is the Lords and he is the Governour among the NATIONS That ALL NATIONS shall serve and worship before him That he shall have DOMINION from sea to sea and from the Rivers to the ends of the earth That all DOMINIONS shall serve and obey him That the KINGDOMES of the earth shall sing unto the Lord c. All pregnant proofs of Nationall Churches which should serve and obey Christ But that Independent particular Congregations of visible Saints and they only should be Christs Kingdom Republick and Governed immediately by him rests yet on my Brothers part to make proofe of when he is able Thirdly I shall request my Brothers to satisfie me others by that Texts he can make good these Paradoxes of his That those who will not submit to his Independent Church-government Covenant become members of such Churches have no interest in the Covenant Sacraments or Seal of the Covenant or right to any Church-Communion That they are not within the Covenant visibly and therefore their Children not visibly to bee baptized That they professe not Christ to be their King and are afraid or ashamed to be in Covenant with Christ as their King c. Do not these uncharitable Paradoxes good Brother un-Church un-Saint all Christians and reformed Churches whatsoever which submit not to your new way excluding both them and their Children from the Covenant and Seales of Grace and all Church-communion at least in and among your Congregations as professed enemies to the Kingdome and Soveraignty of Christ Is not this the very language Doctrine of the Antichristian Church of Rome who vaunts herself the onely true Church of Christ out of which there is no salvation un-Churching all Churches and un-Saincting all Christians but their owne professed members as haeretickes Schismaticks and enemies to Christ yea is it not an higher strain of spirituall pride and uncharitable Behaviour against your brethren then ever the Donatists or Nouatians broached I beseech you deare Brother in the bowels of Christ to consider and recant these harsh passages which you can never justifie before God or men and have given great offence to many who cordially affect you These generall questions being demanded I shall next addresse my selfe to a more particular answer of the premised Objection by reducing it into these Logical arguments which wil best detect the fallacies imbecillities of it The first is this Christ is the only immediate supreame King Head Ruler and Governour of every particular Church Ergo no Kings Parliaments Councels Synode or any human Power can make any Lawes Rules Canons for the setling of Religion or reforming Governing well ordering of any particular Churches of Christ This is the summe of all my Brothers Passages I answer that this is a meere Independent Argument which will introduce a world of absurdities if admitted as I shall cleare by these following Instances 1. The Scripture is expresse That God himselfe is King yea a great King over all the earth That Christ is the ONLY Potentate the King of Kings and Lord of Lords yea a great King over all Gods That all the Kingdomes and Nations of the earth are the Lords and that he giveth them to whomsoever he will● That his kingdome ruleth over all That his is the greatnes the Kingdom the power and the glory and the Majesty that all that is in the Heaven and in the Earth are his that he is exalted as head over all and raigneth over all That he is Lord and King of all as well of their bodies estates as soules and consciences Ergo By my Brothers forme of Arguing No Kings Parliaments Potentates Rulers Kingdoms Republikes ought to make any Lawes for the government of their Realmes publikes Nations Corporations or the ordering of mens persons or temporall estates but God and Christ alone and all particular Kingdomes Societies States Corporations Families are and ought to be immediatly subject to no King Majestrat Parliament or human power whatsoever even in temporall things but only to God and Christ 2ly God is more frequently stiled in Scripture The Lord of HOSTS and God of BATTLE then he is called the only King of his Church a Title you can hardly show me in direct termes in sacred writ Yea his power and providence principally appeares in mannnaging and disposing all occurrences and particulars concerning Hosts Armies Battles as your Brother Burroughs in his Glorious name of the Lord of Hosts hath largely manifested Ergo by this Logicke No King Parliament Generall Captaine or Councell of Warre may or ought to make or prescribe any Martiall Lawes for the regulating governing mustering Marshaling or disciplyning of their Hosts but God alone 3ly Christ is our only Soveraigne Lord Master Father Ergo no Landlord Master Father ought to prescribe any Lawes Rules orders for the better Government of their Tenants servants families Children but Christ alone by your argumentation 4ly Christ is the chiefe Shepherd Bishop Prophet Teacher and Instructor of his Church Ergo none ought by your reasoning to seed teach or instruct the Church and people of God but Christ alone We must have no Ministers teaching Elders Pastors Teachers to instruct Vs henceforth who are but men and not Christ himselfe 5ly Christ is the only Mediator Advocate Intercessor for his Church and people Ergo none ought by their Prayers and intercessions to soltcite the throne of Grace for the peace prosperity reformation and deliverance of Christs Churches and people but Christ alone Ministers must not pray for their people nor Saints one for another noreither of them for the whole Church of God if your Argumentation be solid 6ly If this argument stand firme then marke the inevitable consequences of it Independent Subjects will argue with their Princes Majestrates Superiors thus Christ is our only King Head Lord. Therefore we must not be subject to any Lawes and commands what soever but only to the lawes and precepts of Christ Wives Children servants will reason thus Christ is our onely Head Husband King Lord Father Master Therefore we will not we ought not to be subject to any of the Lawes Orders precepts of our Husbands Parents Ministers but only to the immediate Rules Laws edicts of Christ himselfe Mutinous or Independent Souldiers will thus argue with their Generalls and Commanders Christ is our only Captaine Generall and our Lord of Hosts Ergo we will be commanded conducted ordered by none but Christ not by any other Captain or Generall whatsoever Nay people and every member of your Independent Congregations upon any discontent wil thus dispute with their Ministers Ruling Elders Congregations Christ is our only head King lawgiver Judg. Therefore neither Councels Synods nor any Independent Ministers or Congregations may prescribe any Laws covenants Orders or directions to us or exercise any jurisdiction

eclesiasticall over us or passe any censures upon us but only Christ himselfe Brother if such Antimonarchicall Antiparliamentall and Anarchicall Logicke and Divinity be ever taught and beleeved in the world which cutts asunder the nerues and dissolves the very foundation of all Governments and Relations whatsoever whether naturall civill or Ecclesiasticall what an horrible confusion will be immediatly produced to the utter distruction of all Kingdomes Republiques Churches Families Societies Corporations in the World let all prudent men Judge Yet this is the dangerous Logicke this the Foundation stone whereon your whole Independent fabrick is built the absurdities and ill consequences whereof I trust all will now at last discerne Secondly I answer That though Christ be the only King and supream Law-giver of his Church yet it followes not thence that therfore no Parliament or humane power may or can make Lawes to order or governe the Churches and people of God by but onely Christ For Brother your selfe will grant 1. That Parliaments Kings and Synods may and ought to make Lawes to supposse and punish all manner of Idolatry superstition Impietie prophanenesses corruptions Heresies Doctrines Opinions and exorbitances whatsoever in their Churches Ministers people that are contrary to the Word of God the Lawes Doctrine Government of Christ or tending to the depravation disturbance or prejudice of the Church and Gospell Secondly they may publish Lawes and Canons to settle and establish the true Confession of the Christian saith the sincere Ordinances of God and such a true worship Church-Government and Discipline which is most consonant to his Word throughout all Churches in their respective jurisdictions yea compell Ministers to doe their duties and people diligently to repaire to all the Ordinances of God to sanctifie the Lords day and to observe extraordinary dayes of humiliation and thanksgiving upon extraordinary occasions Thirdly They may enact Lawes and Ordinances to settle the places and times of publike Worship and all necessary circumstances w ch concern the same not peremptorily determined in the Scriptures concerning Church assemblies Fourthly They may enact Laws for the maintenance of Ministers of all necessary Church Officers and for prayer preaching reading the Word administring receaving the Lords Supper concerning ordination Mariage siging fasting excommunication agreeable to the Word of God This I presume all will grant and my Brother will not deny which is all I contend for Therfore Christs being the only King Head Ruler and Lawgiver of his Church is no impediment to Kings Parliaments by advise of Synods to enact such Lawes as these and so the Argument a meere Independent Nonsequitur Thirdly Christ is the King Lord Head and Lawgiver of every private Christian or Member of a Congregation as well as of every particular or of the whole Catholik Church and so by your determination he is subject to no other jurisdiction then that of Christ his Spirit and Word Yet I hope you will grant that every Independent Congregation hath a true jurisdiction and power over every particular member of it yea a legislative power to prescribe a speciall covenant and such Ecclesiasticall Rules Orders as the whole Congregation shall thinke meet to which they must submit under paine of excommunication suspension Non-communion and denying baptisme to their Infants as you plainly intimate pag. 44. 45 46 62 63. Therefore these titles and Prerogatives of Christ doe not deprive particular Churches of the power of prescribing covenants Orders Rules and Canons to their Members much lesse then whole Synods Councells Parliaments of farre greater wisdom power Authority then particular Churches And if private Churches may thus oblige their Members then much more may Parliaments Councells all particular Churches within their jurisdictions And so much in answer of this grand argument The second is this Christ is the full and sole King raigning in the heart and conscience of every true Beleever He only is King over every mans Conscience so as no man nor power on earth may sit with him in this his Throne Therefore no Parliament Councell nor human power may prescribe Laws for the Government or ordering of the Church for then of necessity man should be Lord over the Conscience which is the highest presumption against the most high I answer That this argument is grounded upon a very sandy foundation and upon this controversed question both among Divines and Casuists Whether Ecclesiasticall or Civill human Laws made and ratified by the supreame civill Magistrates Parliament bind necessarily oblige us to obedience in point of conscience in case they be not contrary to Gods Word for if they be all grant they do not bind to obedience in point of Conscience My Brother here holds the Negative as an indisputable Maxime That these Laws bind not the conscience in point of Obedience to them A very dangerous false unsound Position tending to meere Anarchy and contempt of all humane Lawes and lawfull Authority in Church or State And for my own part I clearely hold the Affirmative to be an undoubted truth This question is largly debated and held affirmatively by learned Paraeus Explicatio Dubiorum in c. 13. ad Romanos Dubium 7. pag. 1413. to 1446. by Musculus Peter Martyr Marlorat and Doctor Willet in their Commentaries on Rom. 13 with other Protestants on this Text by Ursinus in Exposit secundi Praecepti p. 299. by Theodoret Ambrose Beda Anselme and generally most ancient and modern Commentators on that Text by Alexander Alensis Summa Theologiae Pars. 2. qu 120. Artic 2. 3 4. with whom all other Shoolemen generally concurre Paulus Windek Canonum Legum Consensus Dissensus cap. 4. p. 12. Stapleton in Antid p. 783. Bellarmine l. 3. c. 9. De Laicis Pererius Disp 2. Num. 8. by Saint Augustine in Epist 54. ad Macedonium and in Tit. Psal 70. by Saint Bernard Tract de Praecepto Dispensat With infinite others Indeed Master Calvin Instit lib. 3. c. 9. Sect. 15. 18. and lib. 4. c. 10. Sect. 3. 4 5. Beza in Notis ad Rom. 13. Sibrandus De Pontif Romano l. 8. c. 7. and some others seemingly hold the contrary yet not generally of all but of some particular humane Lawes I shall briefly lay downe the truth of the affirmative part out of Pareus and Doctor Willet in these insuing Propositions and then propound the Affirmative and answer the Negative arguments in their Order to vindicate this truth now most opposed when it is most necessary both to be discovered and obeyed The Propositions are these That all just Civill Ecclesiasticall or Oeconomicall Laws and Ordinances made by the King and Parliament or by lawfull Magistrates Parents Masters Tutors Superiors which concerne the duties of the first or second Table do bind the Conscience of themselves and that simply both in generall and particular That all good Laws made for the determining of any necessary circumstances of Gods Worship or necessary and profitable for

Churches in the Bible yet none of them nor my dear Brother have hitherto been able to shew it though they have oft-times promised it Therefore we presume there is no such Shew us but some cleare Texts to manifest it and we will believe you without more dispute till then though you were Angels from Heaven we dare not credit you without a word to build on 3ly Because some Independents themselves one Anonymous who hath published a malicious Answer to me full of virulency against Presbytery the Scots positively deny any such universall platforme concurring fully with me in opinion Fourthly Because the Churches of God ever since the Apostles dayes have in severall Nations Republikes States and Conditions had different formes of Government Discipline Ceremonies administrations in some particulars as the Independent Congregations of Brownists Anabaptists Familists c. differ in sundry things of moment among themselves and yet have ever beene reputed true Churches of Christ The Churches of England Scotland France Geneva Germany Aethiopia Russia Greece Bohemia and the Netherlands vary one from another in their Government Discipline Rites Ceremonies in some points of Doctrine and are not Independent yet none of our Brethren I suppose will be so uncharitable as to deem them all Antichristian opposers of the Kingdome and Government of Christ and no true Churches as they must of necessity be if Church-government be a part of the Gospel one uniform unalterable Government universally prescribed to them all Fiftly Because the Gospel never intended to subvert diminish crosse or destroy the lawfull civill politicall Governments Lawes Customes of Kingdomes Nations Republikes which are Gods own Ordinance as well as Churchgovernment since one Ordinance of God doth not crosse or thwart another Now the lawfull Governments Customes Manners of most Nations Kingdoms Republiks being various different one from another the Gospel to be equally preached to them all some Church-government erected among them all and the condition of the Church whiles militant in this world being as full of changes as the Moone sometimes tossed with the boysterous waves almost drowned in the flouds of affliction Sometimes totally ecelipsed and driven into the wildernesse in one place yet slourishing or lesse troubled in another Othertimes in a prosperous peaceable condition Sometimes under Pagan or impious Princes and Magistrates other whiles under more or lesse pious Christian Kings and Governours sometimes in a more pure light some otherwhiles in a more corrupt ignorant condition Sometimes over-growne with haeresies schismes Innovations other-times holding forth the truth more clearly and purging out of all errors sometimes requiring a more sharpe and rigorous Discipline other-times a more milde and gentle Yea some Nations being more barbarous fierce obstinat vitious proner to some kinde of vices sins corruptions then others and so needing a Discipline Government somewhat discrepant from those who are more civell and ingenious Some using one gesture of prayer adoration administring the Sacrament some another as some bowing others kneeling others prostration some knocking of the breasts some bare-headed others covered some vayled others unvayled some sitting at the Lords Supper in one manner others in another Some kneeling others standing some using dipping others sprinkling others washing in baptisme some one kinde of tongue tone tune gesture in singing Preaching Praying others another which is all I meant in my first and second Queries by the manners and customes of the people which my deare Brother mis-interprets as meant of their superstitious and corrupt customes not their civill which I onely intended Some one forme of Temples Churches Tables Pulpits Chalices Vestments others another and all Nations not having the selfe-same opinion judgement of the lawfulnes or conveniency of one sort of Church-government as of another I conceive there was a kinde of necessity under the Gospel of leaving divets things in Church-government and Discipline more indeffinite and arbittary then under the Leviticall Law given onely to the Iewish Nation and that not for perperuity but till the Gospel came which see them free from that yoake of bondage and left them and all other beleevers at greater liberty than before This I conceive to be the true reason why there is no such precise universall set forme of Church-government and Discipline punctually prese●bed without the least variation to all Nations Churches in the New Testament as you say was to the Israelites in the old 6ly The Government and Discipline of the Churches of Christ hath bin alwayes more or lesse variable in every age and never continued uniforme constant unalterable in any age as the fundamentall Doctrines of the Church have done We are able to produce Professors of the Doctrines maintained in the Protestant Churches in all ages the Doctrine of the Gospel being universally the same and unalterable But no creature is able to demonstrate a succession of any one kind of Church-government discipline in all ages or Churches be it Presbyteriall Episcopall or mixt of both much lesse any series of Independent Churches Therefore certainly there is no such universall divine set forme of Church-government and Discipline essentiall to the being of a true Church prescribed in the Scriptures as some have fancied for then it would have had a being in some part or other of the world in all ages as well as the Doctrine of the Gospel and the Sacraments 7ly All Independents reach that there is no set forme of publick Prayer Liturgy preaching administring the sacrament in every particular nor yet of the matter or fashion of Churches Tables Chancels Vestments Gestures of Worship prescribed to all Churches Nations in all ages without variation yea they reject all set formes of publike Prayers administration of the Sacraments and Liturgies in Churches as Antichristian unlawfull or unexpedient at the least though they can hardly prove them such If then there be no set forme of publique Prayers Liturgy Preaching administring the Sacraments c. prescribed to all Churches in al ages without any variation and every Minister be 〈◊〉 at large to use his owne Method and manner of Praying Preaching administring the Sacraments Chatechising as Independents affirme provided it be generally consonant to the word Let them render me a solid reason if they can why there should be only one universall unalterable divineforme of Church-Government and Discipline precisely imposed on all Churches Nations ages alike without the least variation else they must of necessity grant as great a liberty and indefinitenes in the one as other and that there may be as many different formes of Church-Government and Discipline as of preaching praying Singing of Psalmes administring the Sacraments c. provided they be all decent agreeable to the generall rules of Scripture though not particularly prescribed therin 8ly All grant there is no immutable universall set forme of Civill Government prescribed to all Nations Republickes Cities Families Christian or Ethenicall 〈◊〉 they have a

then Heresie or hereticall Doctrin by such extravagant inferences and incoherent Arguments for fear you dishonour both your Master and your self 3. Though Christ hath left no absolute exact forme of Church-Government in Scripture for all Churches and Ages yet he hath left his Word to be a light to the feete and a Lanthorne to the pathes of all his Saints and Churches and said downe such generall Presidents rules and directions therein as may serve for ordering directing and regulating of all Churches herein yea he hath given us some more particular rules for some things which concerne the Government of his Churches The Scripture hath generall Rules for our faith life manners thoughts words actions apparell eating drinking praying preaching receiving the Sacrament c. applicable to all particular cases and occurrences concerning them though not particular punctuall rules for deciding all those cases of conscience and controversies that frequently arise concerning them yet Christ is not unfaithfull because he hath left his Church sufficient rules and meanes of salvation in generall or particular to bring it safe to heaven 4 The providing of godly and faithfull Ministers Magistrates and Governours of the Church to put good Laws Disciplin and Government in execution is a great part of Christs charge and care as well as providing his Word and a Government for his Church Will you charge Christ then with negligence and leaving his Church to six and seven because every Minister of Christ hath not the selfe-same measure of gifts and endowments to discharge his Ministery or because some Ministers are more negligent in their places then others and some sheep are left oft-times without a Shepheard or committed to a Iudas a Thiefe or to Wolve● false Teachers Seducers which teare and devoure instead of feeding them or because he set not up and maintained this forme of Church Government you now contend for as his and none else beside in all Churches for so many hundred yeares together but reserved this honour in this latter age to some of you or rather to the Anabaptists and Brownists your Predecessors herein to advance it Brother you may easily discerne by this where your owne pretended inconveniences and inferences will drive you at the last if you rely upon them I beseech you therefore as a loving Brother to forbeare them for the future 4. Whereas you object We should have a mad world of it if Civill States Magistrates Kings and Parliaments should set up such a Government 〈◊〉 they conceived to be agreeable to Gods Word and the good Lawes and Customes of their Realmes I answer 1. That it is your own position that every particular man and Church ought to walke according to the rule of their own consciences and judgement not anothers Christ only being Lord of their consciences If then a whole Kingdome Parliament Church or Realme shall conceive and be perswaded in their consciences that such and such a Church Government is most consonant to Gods Word most suiteable to their condition and therefore shall upon solemne debate after much seeking of God by Prayer and Fasting make choise of this government before another as by electing a Presbyteriall rejecting an Independent way What madnesse or inconvenience meer slavery tyranny humane inv●ntions superstitions or corruption will this introduce Shall they be Hereticks presently for such a choise as you define them Shall private men have more liberty of choise or conscience then whole Nations Synods Parliaments or more wisedome temper knowledge discretion conscience then they Indeed I have read of one Parliament stiled the Mad and another the unlearned because there were no Lawyers in it and no doubt both Parliaments Councells Synods generall Assemblies may and doe sometimes erre and that grosly as well as private persons or congregations But doubtlesse all reasonable men will and must acknowledge that two are better then one a whole Court of Iustice lesse liable to errour and corruption then a particul●r Judge a whole Parliament then a Committee an whole Synod then a private Conventicle or congregation Then tell me in sober sadnesse good Brother whether your Independent Assertion That every particular Minister hath power to gather and set up a Church of his owne Independent from any other and to choose such a Discipline Government to themselves as they CONCEIVE to be most suiteable to Gods Word though in truth it be not so but a meer CONCEITE as I feare your New way is That particular Christians have power to unite themselves into a Church and elect a Minister and Government of their owne choise most agreeable as they thinke to the Word And that every Sect and Person ought to have free liberty of conscience in the exercise of what they beleeve Or my Position be likely est to produce more madnesse in the world or mischiefes in the Church Certainely it will be a madder world and Church too indeed when every private Minister and Christian may follow their owne opinions fancies crochets waies every Sectary set up his owne congregation sect and vent his owne erronious schismaticall Opinions without control when every man shall have priviledge to doe What seemes right in his owne eyes as if there were no King in Israel no Parliament in England when every Anabaptist Enthusiast or brainsick Melancholico shall not only build Churches in the ayre different from all others but set them up openly in our Cities Counties Kingdomes without impediment in contempt of Lawes Parliaments all Civill or Ecclesiasticall Authority as too many I feare doe now and I hope the High Court of Parliament will remedy it in due time because they deem their owne fancies Gospel their owne Juventions Christs Oracles Certainly the world and Church will both be mad in good earnest when such a licentiousnesse shall be proclaimed under the Notion of Christian Liberty every mans own private way christned with the Name of Christs Kingdom c. though it hath small affinity with it The God of peace order of his infinite mercie preserve us safe from this Maniaca Insania this deadly madnesse into which we are running and hath already desperately seized upon the Braines and hearts of many My Brothers sixth Objection is this That Parliaments Councells Synods are not now infallible but subject unto errour many of them having erred and that grosly in former and late times That neither Parliament nor Assembly can now say as that Synod Act. 15. 28. It seemeth good to us and to the Holy Ghost they being not endued with an infallible spirit Therefore they can make no binding Determinations Lawes Canons Decrees in any Ecclesiasticall matters to oblige any particular Churches or christians Good Brother writes he for all your punctuall quotations of that Scripture Acts 15. you doe not all this while tell us that which is the maine of all which we finde in the 28. verse IT SEEMED GOOD TO THE HOLY

reason all their Lawes Canons Edicts should be obeyed as just and good but such wherein there is apparant errour and pregnant contrariety to the Scrip●●re 4. All determinations of men not immediatly directed by an infallible spirit ●ven in Church-affaires ought not to be condemned but submitted to since Paul resolved some things of his kind by his owne private spirit vvithout the spirit of God especially inspiring him to which yet we all submit as is clear by 1. Cor. 7. ● 11 to 40. For that clause concerning the holy Ghost I shall give you a very full answer to it First it is cleare by Acts 15. 6. 7. 12 13. 22 23. that those who used this expression It seemed good to the holy Ghost and to us were not only Apostles indued with in infallible spirit but likevvise the ELDERS BRETHREN AND WHOLE CHURCH OR Synod then assembled at Ierusalem Now Brother you cannot say nor prove that all the Elders Brethren and whole Church of Ierusalem were infallibly inspired yet they all used this Language then as well as the Apostles therefore by the self same Reason Parliaments Synods Councells may do it now especially where they ●arnestly seck to God for the Holy Ghosts direction assistance ayde by fasting and prayer Secondly God hath commanded all Christians earnestly to pray for and hath promised to give the holy Ghost and his Spirit to those that ask him yea the Scripture is expresse that the Holy Ghost and Spirit doth not only sanctifie comfort live dwell and abide in the hearts soules of Christs Ministers and people for ever but avers that their very bodies are the Temples of the holy Ghost which dwelleth in them that he shall lead his Church and people into all truth why therfore they may not now say when Assembled in Parliament or a Synod with sincere hearts desirous to reforme and settle Church-government as near as may be to the Scripture It seemes good to the Holy Ghost and us especially when they have found an extraordinary providence and assistance from Heaven which they have importuned in the work as well as the Apostles Elders and Brethren then since we and they have all one and the self same spirit though in a different measure by which spirit we are all Baptized into one body and have all been made to drinke into ONE SPIRIT I cannot discerne Thirdly all Christians are expresly commanded to pray in the Holy Ghost to pray in the Spirit and sing in the Spirit in which duties the Spirit helpeth our infirmities yea the Scriptures are direct that Christians are not only Regenerated quickned sanctified by the Holy Ghost and Spirit of Christ and receive the earnest and first fruits thereof but that they are lead by the Spirit Walk in the Spirit live in the Spirit worship God in the Spirit speak and blesse God in the Spirit yea it is the great promise under the Gospel that God will powre out his spirit upon all flesh that they shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost and be filled with him whence we read that Steven and sundry others who were not Apostle● were filled with the Holy Ghost full of the Holy Ghost partakers of the holy Ghost and I hope Brother you and all other godly Ministers do both pray and preach in through and by the Holy Ghost and spirit of Christ yea I doubt not but you inform your new Proselites Members how by the spirits direction you gathered your Independent Church prescribed them your new Covenant Discipline Government that you exhort teach instruct comfort wounded soules and resolve their scrupulous consciences doubts by the assistance and guidance of the Holy Ghost else all you doe say prescribe resolve is to little purpose and the work of your Ministry wil be very unprofitable disclaim but this and all your new Congregation will soone disclaim you for their Minister they and we accounting all those who either do or cannot pray and preach in and by the spirit of God with some good evidence and demonstration thereof unsavery ●alt fit for nothing but to be cast out and trampled under 〈◊〉 of all men as many hundreds of such have been so served of late If then all this be undenyable Scripture and experimentall Truth why a Parliament of Godly Religious Lords and Commons with an Assembly of Reverend Divines now assisted with the prayers of all godly people to settle a Church-Government Discipline Worship according to the will and word of Christ in all things may not engrave this Motto It seemeth good to the Holy Ghost and to us to order and settle things thus c. on all their determinations resolutions as Councels have usually done in former time from this very Te●t you cannot re●der the least dram of reason If you alledge which is all that can be Objected that perchance all or the greatest part of the Parliament and Assembly are not i●dued with the sanctifying spirit of God therefore they cannot use this Language I answer First this is onely known to God not you who onely kn●weth who are his and hath made you no Iudges of their hear●s whose persons for the most part I dare say you do not ●●miliarly know Secondly admit there may be some few among them who have not Gods sanctifying spirit yet I doubt not but very many if not the major part of them have as their zealous actions and proceedings evidence to all the World in despite of all jealou●ies or 〈◊〉 and the 〈◊〉 or a great part being such they may now as wel use this expression 〈◊〉 the Apostles Brethr●n and whole Synod of Ierusalem whom you dare not ●ver to be all reall Saints endued with the infallible and sanctifying spirit of God So as Brother you might well have forb●rn that sco●●e you put upon our Assembly and Parliament A Cardinall in the C●●clave at Viterbium after almost 3. yeers agitation As many yeers AS WE HAVE BEEN ABOVT TO SET VP A REFORMATION AND THE FOVNDATION NOT YET LAID each Cardinall ambitiously aspiring to be the Pope one of them r●se up and said Domine c Let us uncover the roos of this chamber seeing that the Holy Ghost cannot get in unto us through so many Tiles which I will not aggravate Thirdly it is your own Dogmaticall Resolution That in the Synod at Jerusalem onely the Apostles were guided by the Holy Ghost and an infallible spirit not all the Elders Synod and Brethren who did but give their consent to those Decrees as Softines Tychicus Timothy and other Brethren joyned with Paul in his 〈◊〉 Therefore because the Apostles who had the leading Votes were thus guided and they consented they all joyned in this Language It seemed good to the Holy Ghost and us If then the Major or leading part of the Parliament and Assembly be now indued with Gods Holy Spirit they may all by like reason joyne in the