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A92172 A briefe narration of some church courses held in opinion and practise in the churches lately erected in New England. Collected out of sundry of their own printed papers and manuscripts with other good intelligences. Together with some short hints (given by the way) of their correspondence with the like tenents and practises of the separatists churches. And some short animadversions upon some principall passages for the benefit of the vulgar reader. Presented to publike view for the good of the church of God by W. R. Rathband, William, d. 1695. 1644 (1644) Wing R298; Thomason E36_11; ESTC R21802 84,830 61

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the_o lord_n in_o our_o particular_a calling_n shun_v idleness_n as_o the_o bane_n of_o any_o state_n nor_o will_v we_o deal_v hardly_o or_o oppress_o with_o any_o 9_o we_o will_v also_o to_o our_o best_a ability_n teach_v our_o child_n and_o servant_n the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o lord_n and_o his_o will_n that_o they_o may_v serve_v he_o also_o o._n h._n 11._o this_o covenant_n thus_o distinguish_v from_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n they_o hold_v to_o be_v that_o covenant_n which_o be_v sequuntur_fw-la be_v here_o be_v a_o piece_n or_o two_o of_o such_o divinity_n as_o i_o never_o hear_v or_o read_v before_o but_o uno_fw-la absurdo_fw-la dato_fw-la mille_fw-la sequuntur_fw-la seal_v by_o the_o sacrament_n and_o for_o the_o seal_n and_o ratify_v of_o which_o the_o sacrament_n be_v principal_o ordain_v of_o god_n and_o therefore_o to_o be_v administer_v only_o to_o such_o as_o be_v first_o enter_v into_o this_o covenant_n as_o seal_n thereof_o apol._n p._n 15_o 19_o 31._o ans_fw-fr to_o 9_o pos_fw-la p._n 63_o 66._o and_o therefore_o that_o such_o person_n as_o by_o their_o condition_n can_v join_v in_o church_n covenant_n nor_o live_v in_o church_n fellowship_n with_o a_o set_a society_n be_v not_o bind_v to_o partake_v in_o sacrament_n apol._n p._n 39_o 41._o see_v robins_n justif_n p._n 80_o 110._o though_o i_o do_v not_o find_v the_o brownist_n so_o solicitous_o to_o distinguish_v between_o the_o church_n covenant_n and_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n as_o these_o our_o brethren_n do_v 12._o such_o as_o be_v admit_v into_o their_o church_n infant_n by_o the_o covenant_n of_o their_o parent_n be_v not_o yet_o permit_v to_o receive_v the_o lord_n supper_n when_o they_o come_v to_o year_n until_o they_o have_v first_o run_v through_o all_o the_o foresay_a course_n of_o this_o of_o what_o if_o upon_o examination_n they_o prove_v neither_o convince_o gracious_a as_o want_v expect_v evidence_n nor_o yet_o open_o scandalous_a as_o be_v overpowred_n with_o god_n ordinance_n and_o good_a education_n and_o government_n what_o shall_v become_v of_o they_o then_o admit_v as_o member_n to_o the_o lord_n supper_n they_o shall_v not_o be_v and_o excommunicate_v i_o trow_v they_o can_v just_o be_v by_o this_o rule_n they_o must_v remain_v in_o a_o middle_a condition_n neither_o of_o the_o church_n nor_o without_o the_o church_n and_o what_o warrant_n have_v we_o for_o this_o public_a and_o private_a examination_n profession_n of_o faith_n declaration_n of_o the_o manner_n of_o their_o conversion_n and_o personal_a vocal_a express_v enter_v into_o the_o same_o covenant_n as_o other_o of_o year_n have_v before_o they_o do_v and_o as_o if_o they_o have_v never_o be_v receive_v member_n before_o ans_fw-fr to_o 32._o q._n p._n 20_o 21._o chap._n v._n of_o the_o manner_n of_o their_o first_o erect_v of_o a_o visible_a church_n 1._o 15._o 1._o the_o reader_n may_v perhaps_o think_v in_o read_v these_o two_o first_o article_n some_o fault_n to_o be_v in_o the_o collectour_n that_o so_o foul_a a_o contradiction_n shall_v be_v hold_v but_o if_o there_o be_v any_o fault_n it_o must_v be_v none_o but_o their_o own_o either_o in_o hold_v and_o practise_v thing_n in_o themselves_o so_o contradictory_n or_o else_o in_o report_v to_o we_o such_o thing_n as_o they_o neither_o hold_v nor_o practice_v but_o this_o contradiction_n will_v yet_o appear_v more_o foul_a when_o we_o consider_v what_o will_v after_o follow_v that_o they_o hold_v it_o not_o only_o lawful_a to_o do_v it_o without_o their_o consent_n but_o also_o sometime_o necessary_a to_o do_v it_o against_o their_o consent_n of_o which_o see_v chap._n 15._o any_o small_a number_n almost_o of_o person_n so_o fit_v as_o before_o they_o hold_v may_v lawful_o unite_v themselves_o into_o a_o church_n body_n by_o enter_v into_o the_o church_n covenant_n aforesaid_a and_o so_o may_v constitute_v themselves_o a_o true_a visible_a church_n of_o christ_n without_o any_o authoritative_a consent_n of_o the_o christian_a magistrate_n suppose_v there_o be_v one_o or_o of_o the_o neighbour_a church_n or_o their_o minister_n r.m._n to_o w.r._n ans_fw-fr to_o 32._o q._n p._n 43._o robin_n justif_n p._n 181_o 182._o 2._o yet_o a_o truth_n a_o the_o law_n doubtless_o be_v good_a as_o from_o the_o magistrate_n but_o how_o do_v this_o agree_v with_o that_o opinion_n which_o too_o many_o of_o they_o among_o we_o that_o run_v the_o same_o church-course_n with_o these_o brethren_n hold_v that_o the_o magistrate_n have_v nothing_o to_o do_v with_o the_o first_o table_n unless_o the_o public_a peace_n be_v break_v he_o be_v to_o force_v no_o man_n against_o his_o conscience_n too_o or_o fro_o but_o leave_v every_o man_n to_o follow_v his_o own_o light_n and_o religion_n also_o as_o it_o be_v a_o agreement_n of_o the_o church_n and_o minister_n i_o the_o rather_o like_o it_o because_o it_o seem_v to_o amount_v to_o little_o less_o in_o substance_n then_o a_o compound_n presbytery_n set_v up_o among_o they_o the_o rather_o if_o we_o add_v what_o the_o same_o h.p._n tell_v we_o that_o they_o have_v also_o agree_v among_o themselves_o that_o no_o man_n shall_v preach_v or_o vent_v any_o new_a or_o uncouth_a tenant_n until_o he_o have_v first_o communicate_v they_o with_o the_o neighbour_a minister_n a_o very_a good_a canon_n especial_o for_o these_o time_n wherein_o man_n run_v a_o mad_n after_o novelty_n and_o nicety_n under_o the_o false_a pretence_n of_o a_o new_a light_n and_o new_a truth_n law_n be_v make_v in_o their_o general_a court_n civil_a that_o no_o church_n shall_v be_v there_o set_v up_o without_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o magistrate_n and_o neighbour_n church_n r.m._n to_o w.r._n yea_o as_o mr_n h.p._n inform_v we_o not_o without_o the_o consent_n of_o five_o or_o six_o of_o the_o neighbour_a church_n at_o the_o least_o 3._o the_o he_o the_o here_o be_v another_o ecclesiastical_a canon_n in_o act_n though_o not_o in_o rule_n if_o this_o be_v needful_a at_o the_o first_o erection_n of_o a_o church_n that_o each_o shall_v try_v and_o know_v other_o spirit_n why_o not_o also_o after_o at_o the_o admission_n of_o every_o member_n he_o to_o try_v and_o know_v their_o spirit_n as_o well_o as_o they_o he_o person_n intend_v to_o enter_v into_o church_n estate_n do_v before_o hand_n often_o meet_v private_o among_o themselves_o to_o be_v inward_o acquaint_v with_o each_o other_o spirit_n by_o confer_v pray_v together_o and_o mutual_o examine_v each_o other_o until_o they_o have_v approve_v themselves_o to_o one_o another_o conscience_n in_o the_o sight_n of_o god_n which_o when_o they_o have_v thorough_o do_v in_o private_a than_o they_o agree_v together_o to_o enter_v into_o a_o church_n estate_n r.m._n to_o w.r._n ‑_o h.w._n to_o mr_n b._n 4._o which_o before_o they_o do_v notice_n be_v give_v thereof_o to_o the_o magistrate_n and_o neighbour_a church_n that_o so_o such_o as_o please_v may_v be_v present_a at_o the_o time_n and_o place_n thereunto_o appoint_v r.m._n to_o w.r._n ‑_o h.w._n to_o mr_n b._n ‑_o j.w._n to_o t.s._n 5._o the_o number_n wherewith_o they_o usual_o begin_v at_o the_o first_o constitution_n of_o every_o church_n be_v about_o 7.8_o or_o 9_o ibid._n 6._o notice_n be_v give_v the_o magistrate_n and_o church_n send_v their_o admission_n their_o here_o than_o church_n use_v messenger_n or_o deputy_n to_o represent_v themselves_o and_o to_o act_v in_o their_o room_n why_o not_o in_o a_o synod_n as_o well_o and_o if_o they_o may_v trust_v their_o power_n with_o their_o messenger_n for_o approve_v or_o disapprove_v whole_a church_n much_o more_o of_o particular_a member_n at_o their_o admission_n messenger_n or_o deputy_n to_o see_v how_o thing_n be_v carry_v and_o to_o give_v they_o advice_n direction_n approbation_n or_o disapprobation_n as_o they_o shall_v see_v cause_n ibid._n 7._o the_o day_n appoint_v be_v keep_v with_o fast_v and_o prayer_n and_o sometime_o if_o not_o always_o preach_v of_o the_o word_n which_o be_v perform_v by_o some_o of_o the_o person_n that_o now_o come_v to_o be_v combine_v into_o this_o church-societie_n in_o the_o latter_a end_n of_o the_o day_n each_o of_o those_o person_n now_o to_o be_v church_v if_o i_o may_v so_o say_v make_v public_a profession_n of_o his_o faith_n thereby_o show_v his_o knowledge_n and_o opinion_n in_o the_o ground_n and_o principle_n of_o religion_n and_o declare_v from_o point_n to_o point_v the_o work_n of_o god_n upon_o his_o soul_n in_o his_o conversion_n and_o all_o this_o in_o a_o extemporarie_a at_o least_o conceive_v speech_n i._n e._n not_o in_o any_o set_a form_n ibid._n 8._o which_o when_o the_o messenger_n of_o the_o magistrate_n and_o church_n have_v hear_v and_o consider_v if_o they_o be_v unsatisfied_a or_o any_o slander_n by_o they_o make_v their_o objection_n or_o propound_v further_a question_n as_o they_o think_v
admit_v he_o be_v first_o to_o desire_v and_o seek_v it_o in_o this_o or_o that_o particular_a church_n and_o therefore_o to_o make_v his_o desire_n know_v to_o the_o church_n by_o some_o of_o the_o elder_n or_o member_n of_o the_o same_o r._n m._n to_o w._n r._n ‑_o j._n m._n to_o r._n m._n ‑_o j._n w._n to_o t._n s._n ‑_o ans_fw-fr to_o 32._o q._n p._n 8._o 4._o which_o say_v elder_n or_o other_o do_v have_v do_v if_o the_o man_n be_v not_o otherwise_o well_o know_v and_o approve_v he_o be_v not_o admit_v to_o this_o first_o trial_n till_o he_o have_v live_v some_o good_a space_n among_o they_o that_o they_o may_v observe_v his_o conversation_n whatsoever_o testimonial_a he_o have_v first_o private_o examine_v he_o touch_v his_o knowledge_n in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n and_o the_o truth_n of_o his_o conversion_n as_o be_v before_o show_v h._n w._n to_o mr_n b._n ‑_o j._n w._n to_o t._n s._n ‑_o e._n c._n to_o r._n c._n ‑_o j._n m._n to_o r._n m._n apol._n p._n 3_o 4._o 5._o if_o the_o examiner_n upon_o this_o trial_n conceive_v he_o not_o fit_a to_o enter_v into_o church_n fellowship_n than_o he_o be_v there_o stay_v without_o any_o further_a proceed_n j._n m._n to_o r._n m._n 6._o if_o they_o find_v he_o fit_a according_a to_o the_o fitness_n mention_v chap._n 3_o than_o they_o propound_v the_o man_n and_o his_o motion_n to_o the_o church_n who_o be_v then_o desire_v to_o inquire_v further_o of_o he_o for_o their_o better_a satisfaction_n and_o if_o any_o of_o they_o do_v or_o shall_v by_o such_o inquiry_n know_v any_o thing_n just_o to_o hinder_v his_o admission_n to_o declare_v it_o before_o he_o be_v admit_v j._n w._n to_o t._n s._n e._n c._n to_o r._n c._n 7._o after_o this_o a_o day_n be_v appoint_v usual_o on_o the_o sabbath_n and_o when_o other_o public_a worship_n be_v end_v the_o say_a party_n be_v call_v forth_o and_o there_o make_v also_o make_v if_o the_o party_n be_v a_o woman_n or_o otherwise_o weak_a in_o or_o pression_n some_o tell_v we_o that_o the_o body_n of_o the_o church_n meet_v more_o private_o in_o the_o week_n day_n to_o receive_v satisfaction_n touch_v they_o e._n c._n to_o r._n c._n but_o if_o all_o the_o church_n meet_v then_o how_o be_v it_o more_o private_a if_o but_o some_o only_a how_o shall_v the_o rest_n by_o their_o tenant_n judicial_o consent_v to_o that_o which_o they_o do_v not_o know_v and_o for_o delegation_n or_o representation_n they_o will_v by_o no_o mean_n allow_v these_o sometime_o they_o say_v their_o confession_n be_v take_v private_o by_o the_o examiner_n and_o by_o they_o only_o relate_v in_o public_a to_o the_o church_n and_o so_o their_o own_o public_a profession_n and_o declaration_n be_v spare_v as_o master_n h._n to_o s._n a._n intimate_v but_o how_o do_v this_o agree_v with_o the_o apostle_n rule_v do_v nothing_o partial_o 1_o tim._n 5.21_o if_o it_o be_v needful_a that_o all_o the_o church_n hear_v une_fw-fr man_n relate_v his_o conversion_n why_o shall_v they_o not_o hear_v ●ll_o and_o if_o the_o examiner_n may_v be_v trust_v with_o examine_v of_o some_o why_o not_o of_o all_o the_o rest_n also_o public_a profession_n of_o his_o faith_n and_o declare_v the_o manner_n of_o his_o conversion_n which_o by_o such_o as_o can_v be_v do_v in_o a_o continue_a speech_n of_o their_o own_o by_z other_o not_o so_o well_o able_a in_o make_v answer_n to_o question_n propound_v to_o they_o cocern_v the_o same_o apol._n p._n 3_o 4._o wherewith_o if_o any_o of_o the_o company_n be_v not_o satisfy_v his_o admission_n be_v stay_v for_o the_o time_n till_o all_o thing_n be_v clear_v and_o all_o objection_n answer_v and_o then_o by_o consent_n of_o the_o church_n he_o enter_v into_o church-covenant_n with_o they_o and_o so_o be_v admit_v in_o the_o same_o manner_n as_o the_o rest_n be_v at_o the_o first_o constitution_n of_o the_o church_n r._n m._n to_o w._n r._n ‑_o h._n w._n to_o mr_n b._n ‑_o e._n c._n to_o r._n c._n j._n m._n to_o r._n m._n ‑_o j._n w._n to_o t._n s._n 8._o after_o the_o party_n be_v so_o admit_v the_o minister_n or_o some_o one_o or_o more_o of_o the_o member_n of_o that_o church_n in_o name_n of_o the_o rest_n do_v give_v he_o the_o right_a hand_n of_o fellowship_n and_o do_v likewise_o repromise_v to_o perform_v all_o church_n duty_n to_o he_o contain_v in_o the_o same_o covenant_n as_o unto_o the_o rest_n of_o her_o member_n j._n w._n to_o t._n s._n 9_o thus_o for_o admission_n of_o person_n of_o age_n now_o for_o infant_n they_o account_v they_o in_o the_o same_o estate_n with_o their_o next_o parent_n for_o if_o either_o of_o their_o next_o natural_a parent_n be_v now_o or_o be_v decease_v die_v a_o member_n of_o some_o such_o particular_a society_n as_o aforesaid_a then_o be_v their_o child_n also_o account_v member_n and_o so_o baptize_v if_o they_o be_v not_o baptize_v before_o infant_n before_o cold_a comfort_n to_o christian_a parent_n not_o of_o their_o way_n and_o cold_a charity_n to_o their_o infant_n but_o if_o neither_o of_o they_o have_v be_v or_o have_v be_v former_o if_o at_o the_o present_a be_v alive_a neither_o of_o they_o be_v a_o member_n then_o their_o infant_n as_o themselves_o be_v account_v to_o be_v without_o the_o visible_a church_n in_o the_o same_o estate_n with_o the_o child_n of_o turk_n and_o heathen_n alien_n from_o the_o commonwealth_n of_o israel_n and_o so_o uncapable_a of_o baptism_n or_o any_o other_o church_n privilege_n whatsoever_o yea_o though_o the_o grandfather_n be_v a_o member_n or_o perhaps_o a_o minister_n of_o that_o church_n or_o though_o one_o or_o more_o of_o the_o next_o parent_n be_v no_o member_n be_v eminent_o and_o famous_o godly_a and_o will_v undertake_v to_o educate_v their_o child_n in_o the_o true_a faith_n and_o fear_v of_o god_n and_o neither_o wilful_o nor_o negligent_o omit_v to_o join_v themselves_o to_o such_o a_o church_n but_o abstain_v only_o out_o of_o want_n of_o sic_fw-la opportunity_n to_o do_v it_o or_o out_o of_o tenderness_n of_o conscience_n as_o scruple_v some_o thing_n in_o their_o way_n yet_o for_o all_o this_o their_o infant_n shall_v not_o be_v admit_v to_o baptism_n as_o not_o be_v within_o but_o without_o the_o church_n mr_n m._n ans_fw-fr to_o 9_o pos_fw-la 61_o 62_o 63_o etc._n etc._n ans_fw-fr to_o 32._o q._n p._n 20_o 21._o apol._n p._n 29._o chap._n viii_o of_o their_o dismiss_v of_o member_n from_o one_o church_n to_o another_o or_o otherwise_o 1._o no_o person_n once_o thus_o admit_v as_o aforesaid_a into_o any_o of_o their_o church_n aught_o to_o remove_v thence_o without_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o say_a church_n first_o seek_v and_o obtain_v for_o if_o lie_n do_v they_o hold_v that_o he_o break_v covenant_n with_o god_n and_o the_o church_n and_o like_o ananias_n and_o sapphira_n lie_v against_o the_o holy_a ghost_n ans_fw-fr to_o 9_o pos_fw-la p._n 73._o apol._n p._n 39_o r.m._n to_o e.b._n p._n 6._o inasmuch_o as_o they_o conceive_v their_o convenant_n bind_v they_o not_o to_o depart_v without_o consent_n ibid._n 2._o therefore_o when_o any_o will_v remove_v they_o require_v that_o he_o first_o give_v notice_n thereof_o to_o the_o danger_n the_o why_o must_v he_o needs_o consult_v with_o this_o rather_o than_o any_o other_o perhaps_o this_o may_v be_v more_o partiald_v than_o any_o other_o because_o concern_v more_o no_o man_n so_o fit_a to_o be_v judge_n in_o his_o own_o cause_n but_o if_o with_o this_o church_n why_o with_o the_o whole_a church_n why_o not_o rather_o with_o some_o few_o of_o the_o more_o secret_a and_o discree_a person_n that_o know_v both_o how_o to_o give_v counsel_n and_o to_o keep_v counsel_n what_o if_o his_o reason_n be_v secret_a and_o he_o can_v discoyer_n they_o but_o to_o his_o shame_n loss_n or_o danger_n church_n wherewith_o he_o be_v in_o covenant_n and_o lay_v before_o they_o how_o many_o soever_o they_o be_v in_o a_o public_a meeting_n both_o his_o reason_n for_o which_o he_o desire_v to_o remove_v and_o also_o to_o what_o other_o church_n he_o will_v remove_v and_o consult_v with_o they_o about_o both_o ans_fw-fr to_o 9_o pos_fw-la p._n 74._o apol._n p._n 20._o 3._o if_o upon_o examination_n they_o approve_v both_o of_o his_o reason_n why_o and_o of_o the_o place_n whither_o he_o will_v go_v than_o they_o consent_v and_o give_v he_o letter_n of_o dismission_n and_o recommendation_n to_o that_o other_o church_n they_o send_v he_o away_o with_o their_o prayer_n and_o blessing_n ibid._n 4._o if_o contrary_o they_o approve_v not_o either_o the_o one_o or_o the_o other_o they_o dissuade_v he_o from_o his_o purpose_n if_o they_o prevail_v nor_o they_o will_v not_o hold_v he_o by_o violence_n for_o that_o they_o can_v yet_o
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therefore_o he_o must_v either_o continue_v where_o he_o be_v or_o remove_v to_o some_o other_o church_n of_o the_o same_o way_n or_o live_v out_o of_o church_n estate_n like_o a_o heathen_a as_o aforesaid_a the_o best_a of_o all_o which_o choise_n may_v prove_v bad_a enough_o this_o so_o strict_a and_o hard_a tie_v of_o man_n together_o unless_o it_o can_v be_v prove_v to_o be_v a_o ordinance_n of_o god_n must_v needs_o be_v a_o intolerable_a burden_n press_v and_o pinch_a man_n not_o only_o in_o their_o estate_n name_n and_o comfort_n but_o also_o in_o their_o conscience_n too_o sometime_o cause_v sharp_a contest_v and_o contention_n with_o yea_o perhaps_o deadly_a hatred_n of_o such_o with_o who_o they_o arc_n so_o force_v to_o continue_v in_o society_n against_o their_o mind_n or_o will_n at_o least_o and_o sometime_o violent_a rent_n and_o rupture_n when_o they_o be_v feign_v to_o break_v away_o from_o they_o by_o violence_n by_o who_o with_o good_a leave_n they_o can_v be_v 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otherwise_o they_o will_v ibid._n yea_o he_o shall_v depart_v little_o better_o than_o a_o excommunicate_a as_o a_o covenant-breaker_n with_o god_n and_o man_n and_o as_o one_o that_o be_v wise_a in_o his_o own_o conceit_n and_o refuse_v to_o hearken_v to_o counsel_n ibid._n chap._n ix_o of_o church-communion_n in_o general_a wherein_o it_o consist_v to_o who_o it_o do_v belong_v of_o corruption_n in_o it_o and_o separation_n from_o it_o 1._o they_o solicitous_o distinguish_v between_o church-communion_n and_o christian_n or_o religious_a communion_n this_o latter_a they_o hold_v general_o with_o all_o who_o they_o conceive_v to_o be_v true_a christian_n without_o reference_n to_o their_o church_n estate_n and_o whether_o they_o be_v in_o church_n estate_n or_o no_o therefore_o they_o will_v confer_v pray_v with_o they_o etc._n etc._n respect_n etc._n if_o by_o church_n be_v to_o be_v mean_v only_o such_o a_o particular_a body_n as_o be_v before_o by_o they_o define_v the_o 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how_o long_o we_o have_v be_v mistake_v for_o when_o our_o brethren_n of_o that_o way_n do_v so_o frequent_o perhaps_o fix_o preach_v and_o pray_v with_o we_o not_o only_o private_o in_o house_n but_o in_o our_o public_a assembly_n also_o we_o fool_n think_v all_o this_o while_n they_o hold_v church_n communion_n with_o we_o and_o do_v thereby_o actual_o own_o our_o ministry_n and_o church_n estate_n as_o true_a but_o alas_o there_o be_v no_o such_o matter_n it_o be_v but_o christian_a communion_n at_o the_o best_a neither_o do_v they_o at_o all_o preach_v unto_o we_o or_o pray_v with_o we_o as_o minister_n ex_fw-la officio_fw-la much_o less_o as_o our_o minister_n no_o they_o will_v not_o confess_v themselves_o to_o be_v so_o much_o as_o member_n of_o our_o church_n but_o ex_fw-la deno_fw-la only_o as_o man_n well_o gi_v and_o so_o able_a to_o edify_v the_o church_n by_o their_o gift_n as_o mere_a private_a man_n ex_fw-la communi_fw-la officio_fw-la charitatis_fw-la as_o any_o man_n 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the_o disofficing_a or_o depose_v of_o they_o again_o 1._o when_o a_o church_n by_o admission_n of_o more_o member_n be_v now_o grow_v to_o a_o competent_a number_n which_o ofttimes_o prove_v some_o ability_n some_o no_o wonder_v it_o be_v long_o first_o what_o for_o want_v of_o such_o choice_a member_n as_o they_o seek_v and_o what_o for_o want_v of_o choice_a minister_n for_o they_o tell_v we_o to_o our_o comfort_n that_o many_o that_o be_v count_v good_a minister_n in_o old_a eng._n be_v there_o lay_v aside_o because_o the_o church_n there_o do_v aim_n at_o man_n of_o special_a ability_n year_n first_o than_o they_o address_v themselves_o to_o the_o call_n of_o some_o to_o the_o ministry_n and_o other_o office_n in_o the_o church_n r.m._n to_o w.r._n 2._o if_o any_o of_o their_o own_o member_n be_v fit_a for_o the_o service_n they_o make_v choice_n of_o they_o if_o not_o they_o procure_v elsewhere_o yet_o so_o that_o none_o be_v choose_v to_o be_v a_o officer_n in_o any_o church_n till_o he_o be_v first_o formal_o admit_v stead_n admit_v church_n membership_n be_v the_o salt_n that_o sealon_n all_o thing_n '_o its_o strange_a that_o his_o membership_n in_o the_o church_n whence_o he_o last_o come_v by_o communion_n of_o church_n can_v stand_v he_o in_o no_o stead_n member_n of_o the_o same_o church_n in_o the_o same_o manner_n every_o way_n as_o other_o have_v be_v h.w._n to_o mr_n b._n 3._o the_o several_a church_n with_o they_o how_o small_a soever_o and_o though_o as_o yet_o without_o any_o officer_n do_v challenge_n to_o themselves_o both_o power_n and_o execution_n of_o all_o thing_n whatsoever_o do_v belong_v to_o the_o call_n and_o create_v of_o their_o own_o officer_n as_o 1._o to_o 24._o to_o what_o ability_n most_o good_a man_n have_v in_o judge_v of_o minister_n as_o reason_n so_o their_o own_o experience_n will_v tell_v they_o when_o as_o if_o i_o be_v right_o inform_v all_o the_o member_n of_o the_o church_n of_o boston_n some_o few_o except_v do_v strong_o stickle_a to_o have_v have_v mr_n wheelwright_n that_o famous_a familist_n join_v as_o co_z teacher_n with_o master_n c._n in_o that_o church_n also_o see_v apol._n narr_n p._n 24._o examine_v and_o try_v their_o ability_n and_o fitness_n 2._o to_o elect_v they_o 3._o to_o instruct_v they_o in_o their_o office_n at_o their_o ordination_n 4._o to_o ordain_v they_o with_o imposition_n of_o hand_n prayer_n and_o charge_v give_v they_o and_o in_o sum_n to_o give_v they_o all_o the_o power_n of_o their_o office_n in_o that_o church_n in_o the_o name_n of_o christ_n ans_fw-fr to_o 32._o q._n p._n 40_o 41_o 42_o 68_o 71._o discourse_v of_o cou._n p._n 23._o ‑_o ans_fw-fr to_o 9_o pos_fw-la p._n 70_o 77._o r.m._n to_o w.r._n ‑_o h.w._n to_o mr_n b._n rob._n justif_a p._n 300_o 303._o can_n necess_n of_o separ_fw-la p._n 29._o barr._n refut_o of_o giff._n p._n 130._o a_o light_n for_o th●_n ign_v p._n 7._o rob._n apology_n 4._o whereby_o it_o be_v come_v to_o pass_v that_o every_o of_o their_o first_o minister_n at_o least_o in_o every_o of_o their_o church_n be_v ordain_v by_o one_o or_o more_o judge_n more_o have_v not_o we_o as_o much_o cause_n to_o doubt_v of_o the_o truth_n of_o their_o ministry_n as_o they_o of_o we_o they_o be_v make_v by_o mere_a private_a man_n i.e._n not_o in_o any_o office_n we_o by_o presbyter_n at_o least_o and_o therein_o according_a to_o the_o apostle_n rule_v 1_o tim._n 4.14_o see_v the_o bishop_n themselves_o be_v presbyter_n with_o who_o be_v other_o presbyter_n ever_o join_v in_o ordination_n of_o any_o beside_o the_o choice_n and_o approbation_n of_o many_o of_o we_o by_o our_o people_n also_o whether_o they_o or_o we_o come_v near_o to_o the_o rule_n let_v the_o reader_n judge_n private_a man_n appoint_v by_o the_o rest_n in_o their_o name_n to_o pray_v over_o they_o impose_v hand_n upon_o they_o instruct_v charge_v they_o and_o give_v they_o authority_n there_o to_o minister_v the_o act_n be_v the_o act_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n but_o for_o order_n and_o ease_v sake_n the_o formality_n be_v commit_v to_o one_o or_o two_o in_o name_n of_o the_o rest_n 16._o rest_n the_o levite_n election_n be_v from_o god_n immediate_o and_o their_o ordination_n by_o the_o priest_n by_o god_n appointment_n numb_a ●_o 11_o 13_o 14._o the_o people_n lay_v on_o of_o their_o hand_n in_o this_o work_n be_v not_o authoritative_a that_o be_v needless_a when_o god_n have_v authorise_v they_o both_o immediate_o by_o himself_o and_o mediate_o by_o the_o priest_n before_o if_o not_o presumptuous_a that_o they_o shall_v interpose_v their_o authority_n when_o god_n himself_o have_v establish_v they_o by_o he_o but_o either_o it_o be_v obedientiall_a only_o to_o declare_v their_o approbation_n of_o god_n choice_n and_o ordination_n and_o then_o it_o be_v nothing_o to_o our_o brethren_n authoritative_a imposition_n of_o the_o people_n hand_n or_o rather_o as_o i_o conceive_v for_o the_o same_o end_n for_o which_o they_o be_v 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