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be_v the_o author_n and_o fountain_n of_o all_o good_a §._o 92._o hence_o it_o follow_v that_o the_o worst_a title_n that_o malice_n itself_o can_v with_o any_o show_n of_o reason_n affix_v to_o this_o our_o practice_n be_v that_o it_o may_v be_v esteem_v superfluous_a in_o case_n it_o can_v be_v demonstrate_v that_o saint_n at_o such_o a_o distance_n can_v hear_v nor_o know_v our_o request_n in_o particular_a yet_o neither_o will_v this_o enervate_a the_o church_n doctrine_n or_o practice_n eâ—ius_n which_o by_o eminent_a divine_n be_v prove_v to_o be_v laudable_a and_o profitable_a though_o they_o do_v not_o always_o hear_v we_o neither_o indeed_o have_v the_o church_n any_o where_o determine_v her_o belief_n that_o they_o do_v so_o but_o last_o if_o it_o be_v the_o church_n herself_o and_o not_o some_o private_a catholic_a writer_n that_o you_o will_v question_v about_o this_o subject_a observe_v that_o in_o her_o public_a liturgy_n and_o mass_n celebrate_v on_o all_o the_o feast_n 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