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A03418
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A letter to Mr. T.H. late minister: now fugitiue: from Sir Edvvard Hoby Knight. In answere of his first Motiue
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Hoby, Edward, Sir, 1560-1617.
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1609
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STC 13541; ESTC S104131
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