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sit_fw-la catechism_n conc._n trid._n part._n iu._n p._n 345._o tit._n quis_fw-la orandus_fw-la sit_fw-la 26._o it_o be_v i_o know_v pretend_v by_o mounseur_fw-fr de_fw-fr meaux_n that_o your_o catechism_n authorise_v this_o exposition_n of_o they_o where_o it_o teach_v the_o difference_n there_o be_v between_o your_o pray_v to_o god_n and_o to_o the_o saint_n for_o that_o you_o pray_v to_o god_n either_o that_o he_o will_v give_v you_o good_a thing_n or_o that_o he_o will_v deliver_v you_o from_o evil_n but_o to_o the_o saint_n that_o they_o will_v undertake_v your_o patronage_n and_o obtain_v for_o you_o those_o thing_n you_o stand_v in_o need_n of_o that_o from_o hence_o arise_v two_o different_a form_n of_o prayer_n for_o that_o to_o god_n you_o say_v proper_o have_v mercy_n upon_o we_o or_o hear_v our_o prayer_n but_o to_o the_o saint_n pray_v for_o we_o 27._o such_o be_v that_o bishop_n pretence_n and_o it_o must_v be_v confess_v they_o have_v something_o that_o be_v plausible_a 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expounder_n and_o therefore_o his_o lordship_n think_v good_a to_o omit_v they_o ibid._n catechism_n ibid._n although_o it_o be_v lawful_a in_o another_z manner_n to_o ask_v of_o the_o saint_n themselves_o that_o they_o will_v have_v mercy_n upon_o we_o for_o they_o be_v very_o merciful_a 28._o if_o this_o be_v another_z manner_n from_o the_o forego_n then_o i_o be_o sure_a all_o the_o prayer_n of_o your_o church_n be_v not_o to_o be_v reduce_v to_o that_o one_o form_n pray_v for_o we_o but_o what_o be_v this_o other_o manner_n ibid._n ibid._n we_o may_v pray_v say_v the_o catechism_n that_o be_v move_v at_o the_o misery_n of_o our_o condition_n they_o will_v help_v we_o with_o their_o favour_n and_o deprecation_n with_o god._n so_o that_o here_o then_o be_v somewhat_o more_o at_o least_o in_o the_o opinion_n of_o your_o own_o catechism_n than_o a_o mere_a pray_v for_o we_o here_o be_v encouragement_n to_o ask_v not_o only_o their_o prayer_n but_o also_o their_o favour_n and_o 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ghost_n and_o of_o the_o glorious_a virgin_n mary_n and_o of_o all_o the_o saint_n and_o again_o let_v this_o church_n be_v sanc_n ✚_o tified_a and_o con_n ✚_o secrated_a 127._o ibid._n p._n 127._o in_o the_o name_n of_o fa_n ✚_o theridamas_n and_o of_o the_o s_n ✚_o on_z and_o of_o the_o holy_a ✚_o ghost_n to_o the_o honour_n of_o god_n and_o of_o the_o glorious_a virgin_n mary_n and_o of_o all_o the_o saint_n now_o in_o all_o these_o several_a instance_n there_o be_v no_o room_n for_o any_o such_o interpretation_n as_o you_o pretend_v in_o the_o case_n of_o your_o prayer_n but_o here_o either_o your_o heart_n join_v in_o what_o your_o lip_n utter_v and_o then_o it_o be_v plain_a you_o give_v as_o proper_a divine_a worship_n to_o the_o saint_n as_o you_o do_v to_o god_n which_o you_o confess_v to_o be_v unlawful_a or_o if_o they_o do_v not_o what_o be_v this_o but_o to_o speak_v word_n of_o vanity_n in_o your_o most_o solemn_a service_n and_o in_o which_o you_o ought_v especial_o to_o 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