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A52055 Smectymnuus redivivus Being an answer to a book, entituled, An humble remonstrance. In which, the original of liturgy episcopacy is discussed, and quæries propounded concerning both. The parity of bishops and presbyters in scripture demonstrated. The occasion of the imparity in antiquity discovered. The disparity of the ancient and our moderne bishops manifested. The antiquity of ruling elders in the church vindicated. The prelaticall church bounded. Smectymnuus.; Marshall, Stephen, 1594?-1655.; Calamy, Edmund, 1600-1666.; Young, Thomas, 1587-1655.; Newcomen, Matthew, 1610?-1669.; Spurstowe, William, 1605?-1666. 1654 (1654) Wing M784; ESTC R223740 77,642 91

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the_o ministry_n no_o true_a ministry_n and_o ordinary_o no_o salvation_n to_o be_v obtain_v without_o it_o and_o if_o this_o remonstrant_n shall_v leave_v bishop_n montague_n to_o answer_v for_o himself_o yet_o notwithstanding_o he_o stand_v bind_v to_o give_v we_o satisfaction_n to_o these_o two_o question_n which_o arise_v from_o his_o own_o book_n first_o whether_o that_o office_n which_o by_o divine_a right_n have_v the_o sole_a power_n of_o ordain_v and_o rule_v all_o other_o officer_n in_o the_o church_n as_o he_o say_v episcopacy_n have_v belong_v not_o to_o the_o be_v but_o only_o to_o the_o glory_n and_o perfection_n of_o a_o church_n second_o there_o be_v in_o this_o man_n thought_n the_o same_o ius_n divinum_fw-la for_o bishop_n that_o there_o be_v for_o pastor_n and_o elder_n whether_o if_o those_o reform_a church_n want_v pastor_n and_o elder_n too_o they_o shall_v want_v nothing_o of_o the_o essence_n of_o a_o church_n but_o of_o the_o perfection_n and_o glory_n of_o 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〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o our_o episcopacy_n save_v only_o in_o perpetuity_n and_o lay-elder_n for_o who_o know_v not_o that_o between_o these_o two_o there_o be_v a_o vast_a a_o difference_n as_o between_o the_o duke_n of_o venice_n and_o a_o absolute_a monarch_n for_o 1_o the_o moderator_n in_o geneva_n be_v not_o of_o a_o