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A92774 The diatribē proved to be paradiatribē. Or, A vindication of the judgement of the reformed churches, and Protestant divines, from misrepresentations concerning ordination, and laying on of hands. Together with a brief answer to the pretences of Edmond Chillenden, for the lawfulnesse of preaching without ordination. / By Lazarus Seaman. Seaman, Lazarus, d. 1675.; Simpson, Sidrach, 1600?-1655. 1647 (1647) Wing S2174; Thomason E413_9; ESTC R203508 93,768 122

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quo_fw-la sensu_fw-la tribuitur_fw-la presbytery_n primariis_fw-la vel_fw-la episcopis_fw-la aliquando_fw-la apud_fw-la euseb_n who_o answer_v the_o papist_n that_o paul_n and_o barnabas_n be_v say_v to_o ordain_v because_o they_o give_v direction_n and_o have_v precedence_n in_o this_o business_n do_v thereby_o acknowledge_v that_o the_o action_n be_v here_o express_o ascribe_v to_o they_o alone_o to_o that_o which_o follow_v but_o if_o the_o word_n they_o ordain_v be_n refer_v to_o paul_n and_o barnabas_n and_o signify_v to_o create_v or_o make_v a_o officer_n who_o be_v none_o before_o yet_o the_o power_n whereby_o this_o creation_n be_v wrought_v be_v not_o their_o own_o only_a for_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v creare_fw-la per_fw-la suffragia_fw-la as_o h._n stephen_n render_v it_o which_o be_v as_o much_o as_o to_o say_v they_o do_v it_o not_o only_o virtual_o in_o the_o power_n
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