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power_n	ordain_v	ordination_n	presbyter_n	4,289	5	10.5064	5	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A85312	Of schism. Parochial congregations in England, and ordination by imposition of hands. Wherein Dr. Owen's discovery of the true nature of schism is briefly and friendly examined, together with Mr. Noyes of New England his arguments against imposition of hands in ordination. / By Giles Firmin, sometime of new England, now pastor of the Church at Shalford in Essex.	Firmin, Giles, 1614-1697.	1658 (1658)	Wing F958; Thomason E1819_1; ESTC R209761	90,499	170

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etc._n etc._n 3._o ordination_n be_v the_o authorise_v of_o a_o person_n to_o his_o work_n so_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d act_v 6.3_o plain_o imply_v both_o h._n stephens_n and_o scapula_n agree_v that_o the_o word_n signify_v ib._n signify_v constituo_fw-la sic_fw-la constituere_fw-la regem_fw-la vel_fw-la creare_fw-la h._n stephens_n ib._n praeficio_fw-la hinc_fw-la praefectus_fw-la to_o put_v in_o authority_n to_o give_v rule_n to_o ordain_v a_o ruler_n so_o these_o text_n act_n 7.10.27_o luc._n 12.42_o make_v it_o clear_a with_o other_o text_n h._n stephens_n thes_n to._n 1._o p._n 1768._o quote_v of_o these_o text_n matth._n c._n 24._o &_o cap._n 25._o act_n 6._o luc._n 12._o where_o the_o word_n be_v use_v say_v quibus_fw-la in_o locis_fw-la non_fw-la constituere_fw-la solum_fw-la sed_fw-la &_o praeficere_fw-la verti_fw-la potest_fw-la 9_o sur._n ch._n dis_n p._n 3._o p._n 9_o &_o quidem_fw-la aptiùs_fw-la to_o this_o reverend_a hooker_n agree_v the_o lord_n 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england_n there_o be_v something_o appear_v like_o authorise_v of_o a_o person_n to_o his_o work_n now_o if_o the_o question_n be_v whether_o this_o be_v lawful_a or_o not_o where_o have_v we_o warrant_v for_o this_o that_o word_n be_v thus_o use_v in_o the_o primitive_a time_n be_v plain_a enough_o to_o those_o who_o read_v hierom_n ambrose_n austin_n for_o scripture_n this_o be_v plain_a though_o some_o of_o these_o word_n be_v not_o set_v down_o in_o the_o scripture_n yet_o if_o there_o be_v a_o authorise_a appoint_v act_v 6.3_o a_o separate_n set_v apart_o act_v 13._o some_o word_n must_v be_v speak_v that_o must_v signify_v so_o much_o and_o what_o breach_n of_o rule_n it_o be_v to_o say_v we_o ordain_v or_o set_v apart_o be_v the_o person_n be_v now_o set_v apart_o the_o thing_n be_v do_v for_o use_v the_o name_n of_o christ_n i_o hope_v it_o be_v he_o who_o have_v give_v pastor_n and_o teacher_n to_o his_o church_n and_o from_o he_o do_v the_o person_n now_o ordain_v receive_v his_o power_n immediate_o it_o be_v not_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n give_v peter_n the_o key_n ordination_n i_o do_v not_o say_v the_o form_n of_o ordination_n lie_v in_o these_o word_n i_o be_o not_o willing_a to_o make_v that_o the_o formalis_fw-la ratio_fw-la of_o a_o ordinance_n which_o i_o have_v not_o express_v scripture_n for_o i_o will_v not_o give_v my_o adversary_n so_o much_o advantage_n yet_o reason_n tell_v that_o prayer_n alone_o or_o imposition_n of_o hand_n alone_o or_o both_o without_o word_n suitable_a can_v make_v a_o ordination_n but_o christ_n give_v peter_n immediate_o the_o key_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n under_o his_o authority_n in_o his_o name_n they_o must_v act_v for_o the_o other_o word_n apply_v to_o the_o person_n ordain_v what_o duty_n the_o scripture_n do_v charge_v such_o a_o office_n withal_o i_o hope_v this_o aught_o to_o be_v else_o it_o be_v a_o raw_a business_n so_o that_o by_o necessary_a consequence_n from_o scripture_n i_o can_v 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