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A78783 His Majesties finall ansvver concerning Episcopacie. Delivered in to the commissioners of Parliament the first of Novemb. 1648. England and Wales. Sovereign (1625-1649 : Charles I); Charles I, King of England, 1600-1649. 1648 (1648) Wing C2306; Thomason E469_17; ESTC R205464 21,665 30

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