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A70969 The reasons presented by the Dissenting Brethren against certain propositions concerning presbyteriall government and the proofs of them voted by the Assembly of Divines, sitting by authority of Parliament, at Westminster : together with the Answer of the Assembly of Divines to those reasons of dissent. Westminster Assembly; Westminster Assembly (1643-1652). Answer of the Assembly of Divines to the reasons of the Dissenting Brethren.; Westminster Assembly (1643-1652). Papers given in to the Honorable Committee of Lords and Commons.; Westminster Assembly (1643-1652). Dissenting Brethren. Papers and answers of the Dissenting Brethren. 1648 (1648) Wing R581; Wing P295; ESTC R5818 4,476 12

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PAPERS Given in to the HONORABLE COMMITTEE OF LORDS and COMMONS And Assembly of Divines with the Commissioners of Scotland FOR ACCOMMODATION 1644. By a SUB-COMMITTEE of Divines of the Assembly and Dissenting Brethren London Printed Anno Dom. 1648. An Order of the House of Commons for A Committee of Accommodation Septemb. 13. 1644. THat the Committee of Lords and Commons appointed to treat with the Commissioners of Scotland and the Committee of the Assembly Do take into consideration the differences of the opinions of the members of the Assembly in point of Church-government and to indeavour an union if it be possible And in case that cannot be done to indeavour the finding out some way how far tender consciences who cannot in all things submit to the same Rule which shall be established may be borne with according to the Word and as may stand with the publike peace That so the proceedings of the Assembly may not be so much retarded This honourable Committee met according to the Order Septemb. 20. following THe appointment of the Order Being That the differences of opinions of the members of the Assembly in point of Church Government be taken into consideration The honourable Committee appointed a SUB-COMMITTEE of six of the Members of the Assembly Mr Marshall Mr. Hearle Master Vines Dr. Temple Mr. Goodwin and Mr. Nye two of the dissenting brethren To consider of the differences of opinions in the Assembly in point of Church-Government And to bring in what might be matter for that grand Committee to consider of In pursuance of this the said sub-Committee met who stiled themselves the sub-Committee of AGREEMENTS And after the Preface declaring their mutuall confidence to agree in one Confession of Faith and in One Directory of publique worship c. They prepared severall Propositions concerning the Government of particular Congregations and Ordination c. Declaring how farre in practicall principles they did agree therein together with the different practices which each according to their principles desired October 11. 1644. The honourable Committee met againe At which the sub-Committee presented the Propositions they had prepared declaring they had further to bring in concerning Classes and Synods And what might be the way of accommodation for the dissenting brethren to enjoy Congregations amongst us according to their principles All which though they had met many dayes was not as then perfected Therefore the honourable Committee did remit back to the said sub-Committee the Propositions then brought in to be further explained and as much as might to be perfected against the next meeting adjourning that Committee untill Tuesday October 15. When these Propositions that follow were brought in by the sub-Committee as containing both a fuller explication and the best way to accommodate their own and their brethrens principles in a practique way which was the end of that honourable Committee both for Congregations and Synods and the government thereof October 15. 1644. The honourable Committee of Lords Commons Divines of the Assembly with the Scotch-Commissioners met And these Propositions were read by Master Vines who was the Chaire-man of that sub-Committee A Vote was past in the Committee to take them into consideration But that debate was not entred upon because it was the earnest desire of some that the Rule should first be made compleate by the Assembly and the Houses And there was a Cessation put upon the honourable Committee herein by the honourable House of Commons untill their further pleasure Let the Reader take notice that in what particulàrs the dissenting brethren do differ from the Propositions of the rest of the SUB-COMMITTEE or do expresse their desires a part from them there is a differing Character put in the Printing of them for the discerning thereof and that in other things wherein they expresse not any difference or further explanation they agreed to them The PROPOSITIONS were as followeth At the Sub-Committee of Agreements IN confidence that we shall jointly agree in one Confession of Faith and in one Directory of the Publick worship of God with the help of a Preface we come according to our order to points of Government and therein do agree as followeth 1. That a particular congregation having such officers as the word of God holds out both for preaching and governing is a Church that hath power in all Ecclesiasticall affairs which do only concern it selfe 2. That these forementioned officers are to be so many in numb er in every such congregation as that three or two at the least may agree together in every act of government By two at the least we mean preaching or governing officers But some of the Committee do hold that a preaching Presbyter should concurre in the sentence of excommunication and suspension 3. That these officers have power in those things which are voted by the Assembly to be due unto them and in suspension and excommunication Some of the Committee meaning that the major part of the officers have power to do it the congregation not opposing it in which case of opposition they hold fit that the officers do suspend the act Others of the Committee saying that the Major part of the Officers have power to do it if the Major part of the Brethren do consent unto it by their Votes so as the negative lies in the major part either of the Officers or Brethren And as for Ordination we all hōld that where there are two preaching Presbyters at least such a Presbytery may ordaine their own Elders But some of the Committee do further say that where there are two ruling Elders at least they have power of ordaining Elders for that congregation and in case there be no Elders as at the first in Ecclesia constituenda then the choice of Elders by the people with approbation of the neighbouring Ministers with fasting and prayer may suffice 4. That the Elders of the congregation shall advise with the Classis in all cases of Excommunication before they proceed to it and the Classis hath power to heare and determine yet so as the power of the Congregation be not concluded thereby in matter of Excommunication But some of the Committee do say that in whatsoever case they find difficult either in excommunication or in any other administration of their power they shall first advise with some company or Classis of neighbour Ministers as at the end of the foure following Propositions afterwards 5. For the associating of Churches let there be in every County of this Kingdome a certain number of select godly and able Ministers of the word within that County to he are and determine the causes and differences in every congregation within the same and let there be a certain number of select Church-governours assistant unto them the first choyce of these to be made by the Parliament in such a way as they shall determine and such number to have power of election from time to time of any Minister or Church-governour into any