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A30624 A discourse of schism address'd to those dissenters who conform'd before the toleration, and have since withdrawn themselves from the communion of the Church of England / by Robert Burscough ... Burscough, Robert, 1651-1709. 1699 (1699) Wing B6136; ESTC R11016 95,729 234

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