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and_o therefore_o when_o any_o of_o they_o embrace_v the_o reformation_n when_o they_o begin_v to_o preach_v the_o gospel_n more_o pure_o and_o to_o celebrate_v divine_a worship_n more_o free_a from_o the_o idolatrous_a and_o superstitious_a mixture_n that_o have_v prevail_v in_o the_o roman_a church_n they_o restore_v their_o ministry_n to_o its_o true_a use_n and_o so_o far_o purge_v it_o from_o that_o wretched_a depravation_n and_o in_o this_o debate_n mr._n k_o need_v not_o be_v ashamed_a to_o defend_v either_o luthâ—r_n or_o calvin_n or_o zuinglius_fw-la for_o s_n cinus_fw-la or_o hâ—s_fw-la follower_n they_o can_v produce_v no_o mission_n to_o preach_v against_o the_o divinity_n and_o satisfaction_n of_o the_o son_n of_o god_n no_o more_o than_o d._n m._n to_o preach_v uâ—_n the_o worship_n of_o image_n or_o invocation_n of_o angel_n and_o saint_n or_o adoration_n of_o the_o host_n etc._n etc._n for_o the_o 3d_o and_o four_o qu._n i_o shall_v join_v they_o whether_o cranmer_n and_o his_o associate_n can_v condemn_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n by_o pretence_n of_o the_o mission_n they_o receive_v from_o her_o bishop_n if_o so_o whether_o a_o presbyterian_a minister_n have_v â—eceived_v order_n from_o a_o protestant_a bâ—shop_n can_v by_o virtue_n of_o such_o order_n pronounce_v the_o church_n of_o england_n a_o corrupt_a church_n it_o be_v evident_a both_o these_o question_n be_v found_v on_o this_o ridiculous_a fancy_n that_o the_o person_n ordain_v be_v oblige_v to_o conform_v his_o ministration_n to_o the_o judgement_n or_o humour_n of_o the_o ordainer_n it_o be_v true_a indeed_o if_o in_o any_o church_n the_o minister_n that_o be_v ordain_v be_v oblige_v to_o subscribe_v a_o confession_n of_o faith_n or_o observe_v any_o public_a rule_n in_o their_o worship_n they_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v ordain_v on_o these_o term_n if_o they_o think_v any_o thing_n in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o that_o church_n or_o the_o ruâ—es_n of_o its_o worship_n contrary_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o christ_n or_o the_o gospel_n rule_n of_o worship_n much_o less_o shall_v they_o enter_v into_o that_o obligation_n with_o a_o design_n to_o break_v it_o afterward_o this_o be_v odious_a dissimulation_n but_o if_o any_o have_v be_v ordain_v in_o a_o church_n that_o have_v oblige_v they_o to_o subscribe_v certain_a article_n of_o faith_n and_o rule_n of_o worship_n which_o at_o their_o ordination_n they_o have_v no_o scruple_n against_o and_o shall_v upon_o deep_a study_n find_v many_o of_o those_o article_n be_v gross_a and_o dangerous_a error_n and_o those_o rule_n of_o worship_n idolatrous_a or_o superstitious_a they_o be_v not_o oblige_v to_o preach_v those_o error_n or_o practise_v those_o rule_n against_o the_o dictate_v of_o their_o own_o conscience_n nay_o if_o those_o error_n and_o corruption_n endanger_v the_o salvation_n of_o their_o flock_n they_o ought_v to_o preach_v against_o they_o and_o warn_v soul_n of_o their_o danger_n and_o not_o to_o do_v this_o be_v to_o betray_v those_o soul_n to_o desert_v the_o cause_n and_o testimony_n of_o christ_n and_o fail_v of_o that_o fidelity_n he_o expect_v in_o the_o discharge_n of_o their_o office_n they_o ought_v to_o do_v all_o in_o their_o sphere_n towards_o a_o reformation_n and_o if_o they_o shall_v be_v suspend_v for_o the_o do_v that_o which_o christ_n have_v make_v their_o duty_n the_o suspension_n be_v unjust_a and_o null_a as_o be_v opposite_a to_o the_o law_n and_o interest_n of_o christ_n and_o be_v indeed_o a_o rebellion_n against_o he_o if_o therefore_o the_o doctrine_n and_o worship_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v pernicious_a and_o endanger_v the_o salvation_n of_o soul_n and_o our_o reformer_n have_v just_a ground_n to_o account_v they_o such_o they_o be_v bind_v by_o the_o law_n of_o christ_n to_o preach_v against_o they_o and_o warn_v the_o people_n of_o they_o and_o in_o their_o sphere_n attempt_v a_o reformation_n nor_o will_v any_o suspension_n or_o excommunication_n of_o those_o popish_a bishop_n that_o ordain_v they_o justify_v their_o desert_v their_o ministry_n and_o betray_v the_o interest_n of_o christ_n and_o soul_n and_o they_o may_v do_v this_o without_o assume_v any_o authority_n over_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n they_o only_o refuse_v subjection_n to_o her_o unjust_a imposition_n and_o so_o may_v presbyterian_a minister_n refuse_v subjection_n to_o the_o sinful_a imposition_n of_o those_o prelate_n that_o ordain_v they_o and_o be_v not_o oblige_v to_o lay_v down_o their_o office_n when_o ever_o their_o ordainer_n shall_v unjust_o silence_v they_o as_o we_o prove_v before_o but_o mr._n k._n i_o perceive_v like_v not_o this_o answer_n and_o therefore_o choose_v to_o justify_v the_o church_n of_o engl._n upon_o narrow_a ground_n and_o therefore_o in_o his_o reply_n to_o these_o question_n 1._o he_o grant_v that_o a_o presbyter_n or_o bishop_n ought_v not_o to_o preach_v against_o the_o constitution_n of_o the_o church_n whereof_o they_o be_v member_n 2._o he_o assert_n this_o be_v not_o the_o reformer_n case_n and_o therefore_o he_o find_v the_o lawfulness_n of_o the_o reformation_n entire_o upon_o its_o be_v make_v by_o the_o convocation_n in_o who_o he_o suppose_v the_o supreme_a church-government_n lodge_v in_o this_o nation_n have_v mr_n k._n only_o argue_v that_o the_o reformation_n in_o england_n be_v not_o only_o lawful_a but_o effect_v in_o the_o most_o regular_a way_n with_o the_o concurrence_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n upon_o the_o advice_n of_o so_o considerable_a a_o part_n of_o the_o clergy_n none_o can_v have_v blame_v he_o for_o take_v in_o all_o the_o consideration_n that_o prove_v the_o reformation_n in_o england_n to_o have_v be_v the_o most_o unexceptionable_o regular_a and_o orderly_a but_o that_o in_o his_o eager_a zeal_n to_o defend_v the_o prelate_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n in_o silence_v their_o brethren_n he_o shall_v make_v such_o a_o concession_n to_o the_o papist_n as_o may_v be_v use_v against_o the_o reformation_n elsewhere_o with_o so_o great_a advantage_n be_v not_o ingenuous_a but_o we_o must_v excuse_v he_o that_o he_o have_v rather_o wound_v the_o reform_a church_n abroad_o than_o not_o gratify_v his_o spleen_n against_o the_o presbyterian_o at_o home_n and_o care_v not_o who_o he_o make_v schismatic_n provide_v he_o fasten_v that_o character_n on_o his_o brethren_n let_v we_o therefore_o examine_v this_o concession_n of_o he_o p._n 27._o a_o presbyter_n or_o bishop_n ought_v not_o to_o preach_v against_o the_o constitution_n of_o that_o church_n of_o which_o they_o be_v member_n the_o reason_n he_o give_v be_v because_o there_o be_v a_o regular_a way_n wherein_o they_o may_v endeavour_v a_o reformation_n viz._n if_o they_o find_v any_o thing_n amiss_o in_o her_o doctrine_n or_o discipline_n they_o may_v make_v their_o application_n for_o the_o redress_n of_o it_o to_o those_o that_o have_v power_n to_o reform_v it_o but_o must_v not_o presume_v be_v subject_n to_o usurp_v their_o governor_n power_n but_o what_o if_o their_o governor_n refuse_v to_o reform_v and_o silence_v those_o that_o desire_n or_o in_o their_o own_o sphere_n attempt_v it_o all_o the_o answer_n be_v but_o if_o such_o a_o bishop_n or_o presbyter_n be_v censure_v and_o suspend_v he_o be_v thereby_o discharge_v from_o the_o execution_n of_o his_o office_n and_o he_o must_v no_o more_o make_v a_o schism_n to_o regain_v it_o than_o one_o must_v make_v a_o rebellion_n in_o the_o state_n to_o regain_v a_o civil_a office._n this_o we_o urge_v and_o i_o think_v with_o reason_n against_o the_o presbyterian_o and_o other_o sect_n among_o we_o that_o either_o have_v no_o ordination_n or_o appointment_n to_o their_o office_n from_o the_o church_n of_o england_n or_o ireland_n or_o else_o abuse_v the_o power_n against_o she_o which_o be_v once_o give_v they_o by_o she_o and_o from_o which_o they_o be_v again_o legal_o suspend_v and_o as_o we_o urge_v this_o against_o they_o so_o likewise_o against_o d._n m._n etc._n etc._n let_v we_o brief_o consider_v the_o consequence_n of_o this_o concession_n and_o the_o ground_n of_o it_o 1._o its_o consequence_n the_o first_o protestant_n pastor_n in_o france_n and_o most_o other_o part_n of_o europe_n be_v before_o the_o reformation_n member_n of_o those_o church_n where_o they_o live_v and_o subject_a to_o their_o governor_n they_o have_v receive_v ordination_n by_o the_o hand_n of_o popish_a prelate_n god_n be_v please_v so_o to_o bless_v their_o study_n and_o search_v after_o truth_n that_o they_o begin_v to_o discover_v abundance_n of_o gross_a and_o pernicious_a error_n in_o the_o doctrine_n and_o a_o wretched_a mixture_n of_o idolatry_n and_o superstition_n in_o the_o worship_n of_o the_o church_n they_o live_v in_o what_o shall_v they_o do_v they_o be_v but_o particular_a presbyter_n and_o therefore_o shall_v not_o according_a to_o mr._n k_n principle_n preach_v against_o the_o constitution_n of_o the_o church_n which_o give_v
they_o their_o office._n many_o of_o they_o try_v his_o remedy_n they_o represent_v these_o thing_n to_o their_o ecclesiastical_a superior_n as_o luther_n to_o the_o archbishop_n of_o mentz_n and_o the_o bishop_n of_o brandenburg_n and_o the_o pope_n himself_o but_o they_o soon_o learn_v by_o dear_a experience_n how_o averse_a the_o court_n of_o rome_n be_v to_o any_o reformation_n and_o how_o little_a it_o be_v to_o be_v expect_v from_o the_o prelate_n who_o either_o have_v no_o will_n or_o no_o courage_n to_o attempt_v a_o reformation_n against_o the_o will_n of_o the_o pope_n luther_n and_o all_o his_o follower_n in_o stead_n of_o prevail_v with_o those_o that_o have_v the_o conduct_n of_o the_o church_n be_v excommunicate_v as_o heretic_n now_o according_a to_o mr._n k_n principle_n these_o reformer_n be_v censure_v and_o suspend_v by_o the_o prelate_n to_o who_o they_o be_v subject_a be_v discharge_v from_o the_o execution_n of_o their_o office_n and_o shall_v no_o more_o have_v make_v a_o schism_n in_o the_o church_n to_o regain_v it_o than_o one_o must_v make_v a_o rebellion_n in_o the_o state_n to_o regain_v a_o civil_a office._n and_o since_o they_o do_v not_o desert_n their_o office_n but_o go_v on_o to_o preach_v against_o the_o constitution_n of_o the_o romish_a church_n and_o the_o will_n of_o their_o superior_n the_o popish_a prelate_n they_o be_v no_o better_a than_o schismatic_n and_o church-rebel_n nay_o if_o his_o notion_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n be_v true_a the_o people_n that_o separate_v from_o the_o popish_a prelate_n and_o adhere_v to_o their_o excommunicate_v pastor_n cease_v to_o be_v member_n of_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n and_o how_o great_a a_o part_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n and_o their_o pastor_n fall_v under_o this_o heavy_a charge_n and_o will_v mr._n k._n own_o all_o these_o unavoidable_a consequence_n upon_o mature_a deliberation_n what_o if_o we_o shall_v once_o more_o have_v a_o popish_a convocation_n in_o england_n and_o these_o shall_v restore_v the_o romish_a religion_n and_o suspend_v aâ—l_o the_o present_a parish-minister_n who_o mr._n k._n think_v now_o lawful_a pastor_n according_a to_o his_o principle_n they_o be_v but_o presbyter_n and_o the_o bishop_n subject_n must_v not_o preach_v against_o the_o constitution_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n declare_v her_o judgement_n by_o a_o convocation_n in_o who_o the_o supreme_a government_n of_o the_o church_n be_v lodge_v they_o must_v therefore_o cease_v their_o ministry_n and_o no_o more_o make_v a_o schism_n by_o the_o exercise_n of_o it_o than_o they_o must_v make_v a_o rebellion_n in_o the_o state_n to_o regain_v a_o civil_a office._n nay_o to_o separate_v from_o such_o governor_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n will_v prove_v those_o that_o do_v it_o no_o catholic_n member_n of_o the_o church_n the_o same_o principle_n may_v be_v apply_v to_o the_o arrian_n who_o get_v imperial_a council_n and_o consequent_o the_o government_n of_o the_o imperial_a church_n into_o their_o hand_n and_o for_o such_o pastor_n as_o athanasius_n to_o preach_v against_o arrianism_n which_o be_v then_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n be_v schism_n and_o church-rebellion_n in_o a_o word_n according_a to_o these_o principle_n it_o be_v in_o the_o power_n of_o a_o convocation_n to_o damn_v many_o thousand_o soul_n by_o suspend_v a_o orthodox_n and_o substitute_v a_o corrupt_a ministry_n and_o for_o those_o orthodox_n pastor_n when_o suspend_v to_o endeavour_v their_o salvation_n by_o the_o exercise_n of_o their_o ministry_n be_v to_o be_v schismatic_n and_o church-rebel_n and_o what_o be_v this_o less_o than_o to_o set_v up_o the_o will_n of_o such_o church-governor_n above_o the_o will_n and_o law_n of_o christ_n above_o the_o salvation_n of_o soul_n and_o above_o the_o interest_n of_o truth_n and_o holiness_n therefore_o 3._o let_v we_o examine_v the_o ground_n of_o this_o strange_a assertion_n viz._n because_o there_o be_v a_o regular_a way_n for_o reform_v abuse_n and_o for_o particular_a presbyter_n to_o do_v it_o against_o the_o will_n of_o the_o bishop_n who_o subject_n they_o be_v be_v like_o reform_a abuse_n in_o the_o state_n in_o spite_n of_o the_o king_n a_o remedy_n general_o worse_o than_o the_o disease_n etc._n etc._n answ_n 1._o all_o that_o these_o reason_n prove_v be_v that_o reformation_n shall_v be_v first_o seek_v by_o humble_a address_v to_o our_o superior_n but_o mr._n k._n plain_o leave_v it_o impossible_a if_o they_o refuse_v 2._o they_o be_v found_v on_o this_o wretched_a mistake_n that_o the_o authority_n of_o bishop_n in_o the_o church_n do_v resemble_v that_o of_o a_o king_n in_o the_o state_n and_o so_o to_o reform_v abuse_n in_o the_o church_n against_o their_o will_n be_v like_o reform_a abuse_n in_o the_o state_n in_o spite_n of_o the_o king._n whereas_o it_o be_v christ_n authority_n in_o the_o church_n that_o do_v resemble_v the_o king_n be_v in_o the_o state._n and_o therefore_o if_o he_o will_v right_o state_n the_o comparison_n it_o run_v thus_o christ_n the_o king_n of_o his_o church_n require_v all_o his_o officer_n to_o preach_v the_o pure_a doctrine_n and_o administer_v the_o pure_a institution_n deliver_v in_o his_o gospel_n which_o be_v his_o universal_a law_n let_v we_o suppose_v there_o be_v in_o this_o or_o that_o particular_a part_n of_o the_o church_n dangerous_a corruption_n creep_v in_o the_o law_n of_o christ_n oblige_v these_o his_o officer_n to_o disow_v they_o and_o reform_v they_o but_o the_o major_a part_n of_o these_o will_v not_o but_o presume_v to_o silence_v those_o that_o do_v it_o according_a to_o his_o command_n now_o the_o quest_n be_v whether_o those_o that_o obey_v the_o command_n of_o christ_n be_v the_o rebel_n against_o he_o or_o those_o that_o neither_o will_v obey_v his_o command_n themselves_o nor_o allow_v other_o to_o do_v so_o one_o will_v think_v that_o such_o as_o refuse_v to_o reform_v and_o silence_v all_o that_o in_o their_o own_o place_n attempt_v it_o according_a to_o the_o tenor_n of_o their_o commission_n be_v like_a to_o prove_v the_o church_n rebel_n but_o no_o doubt_n the_o pastor_n of_o a_o church_n may_v disow_v and_o excommunicate_a one_o that_o abuse_v his_o office_n to_o the_o pervert_v the_o church_n and_o for_o he_o to_o continue_v to_o p_o rvert_v the_o church_n by_o such_o maladministration_n be_v to_o rebel_n against_o christ_n and_o his_o law_n the_o charge_n of_o rebellion_n therefore_o must_v arise_v from_o the_o violation_n of_o christ_n authority_n not_o man_n which_o the_o major_a part_n of_o pastor_n may_v be_v guilty_a of_o in_o a_o nation_n as_o well_o as_o the_o lesser_a 3_o he_o seem_v to_o confound_v a_o private_a and_o a_o public_a reformation_n 4._o the_o reason_n give_v why_o a_o bishop_n or_o presbyter_n when_o censure_v be_v discharge_v from_o his_o office_n viz._n because_o to_o regain_v it_o be_v like_o make_v a_o rebellion_n to_o regain_v a_o civil_a office_n do_v suppose_v two_o great_a mistake_n 1._o that_o the_o ordainer_n give_v a_o spiritual_a office_n in_o the_o church_n as_o the_o king_n give_v a_o civil_a office_n in_o the_o state_n and_o this_o be_v no_o less_o a_o mistake_n then_o to_o set_v the_o ordainer_n in_o the_o place_n of_o christ_n it_o be_v his_o charter_n give_v the_o sacred_a office_n as_o the_o king_n be_v do_v the_o civil_a and_o the_o ordainer_n do_v but_o for_o order_n sake_n approve_v and_o ceremonial_o invest_v the_o person_n as_o the_o recorder_n do_v the_o mayor_n of_o a_o town_n who_o the_o burghess_n choose_v and_o herein_o mr._n k._n seem_v to_o own_o that_o very_a error_n which_o be_v the_o ground_n of_o all_o mr._n m_n impertinent_a question_n 2._o he_o suppose_v that_o the_o bishop_n who_o ordain_v presbyter_n have_v equal_a power_n to_o depose_v they_o from_o their_o ministerial_a office_n as_o the_o king_n have_v to_o take_v away_o a_o civil_a commission_n and_o thus_o p_o 27._o he_o teâ—ls_v we_o that_o the_o present_a dissenter_n be_v the_o bishop_n subject_n accountable_a to_o they_o as_o their_o superior_n and_o liable_a to_o be_v discharge_v from_o their_o office_n and_o the_o benefit_n of_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n by_o their_o censure_n whereas_o it_o be_v plain_a that_o it_o be_v the_o charter_n of_o christ_n give_v the_o sacred_a office_n as_o the_o king_n be_v do_v the_o civil_a and_o as_o none_o can_v take_v a_o civil_a commission_n give_v by_o the_o king_n to_o any_o subject_a but_o by_o the_o king_n order_n and_o command_n so_o none_o can_v take_v away_o that_o spiritual_a commission_n christ_n have_v give_v any_o officer_n in_o his_o church_n but_o by_o his_o order_n but_o now_o he_o have_v give_v none_o leave_v or_o authority_n to_o depose_v his_o officer_n but_o for_o evident_a maladministration_n as_o preach_v heresy_n gross_a scandal_n etc._n etc._n and_o if_o in_o any_o part_n