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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
B02682	A dialogue or discovrse betweene a Parliament-man and a Roman-Catholick, touching the present state of recusants in England. And shewing how from time to time they have alwaies maintained their religion by treason and conspiracies.		1641 (1641)	Wing D1368A; ESTC R175947	4,988	9

A DIALOGUE OR DISCOVRSE betweene a Parliament-man And a Roman-Catholick Touching The present state of Recusants in ENGLAND And shewing how from time to time they have alwaies Maintained their Religion by Treason and Conspiracies Printed in the yeare 1641. A Dialogue or Discourse betweene a Parliament-man and a Roman Catholick Catholike SIR What are your Senators resolved to ruine all Catholickes Prost We shall proceede against you according to the Lawes Cath. But the Lawes sometimes may be suspended for when the cause and motive of the Law doth universally cease the Law it selfe may be anulled Prot. True but not in our case for the motives which heretofore induced our Parliaments to enact Statutes against Recufants doe still continue neither are they as yet universally ceased Therefore the neglect of putting them in execution is both offencive to God and dangerous to our State Cath. Yet I cannot see why the suspention of a rigorous hand and a charitable moderation of your illimited power over a small number of poore Catholickes can breede a scruple in your Conscience on bee offencive to Almighty God for although in your opinion the Religion of Catholicks be false and consequently that your zeale to the Truth doe urge you to suffer no miscreants among you yet this zeale being onely grounded upon the literall text of the Scripture interpreted by your selves how can you thinke that the explication of this sacred authority is so evident as that hee may justly bee punished who will not adheare to your opinion But however may you not in sure charity without offence to God suffer us to live amongst you with intention to bring us to the knowledge of you deeme to be truth and so with intention to make us of your Religion This you see is the practise of other Nations both Catholickes and Protestants to admitt and to lerate among them such as professe a different beliefe from theirs It is so you know in France Spaine Germany Swevia Polonia Muscovia Turkey Persia c. will you onely be more scrupulous then all the Christians of Europe and more severe to your own Country men then Turkes and other Heathen Princes Prot Could I bee perswaded that such a connivence at Recusants were not hurtfull to our present governement and that the Roman Catholik could be true and loyall subjects to a Protestant King or Common wealth I would never give my voyce to have them used with rigour and severtity but you Papists are much pemitious to our State Therefore it is not your Religion but Treason that we punish Cath I confesse this severity sprung not onely from the motives of State and Policie but was much exasperated by the rigorus proceedings of the Court of Rome and by the factious combinations and seditious plots of some few busie bout feux of the Roman faith Yet I am confident that our Religion doth not teach us any thing contrary to the fidelity we owe to our King and Country though Protestants yea even though they persecute us Ptot But I can tell you that the vast ambition of the Court of Rome their continuall practises endeavours to conserve augment their greatnesse and the Popes primacy pretended authority to create and depose Kings and Emperours were able to make us Iealous of you but I will onely speake of the speciall power which you generally give him over Hereticall and Schismaticall States and Princes as our State and King is in your opinion Cath. In this many wise and experienced Catholickes doe blame the ambition of the Court of Rome as well as you And as for the Popes power of creating Kings there is now no Prince will either expect or desire creation from him Prot. How ever you see that our case is different from the case of Catholicke Princes for you say that the Pope can depose Kings for Heresie or Schisme and this is a generall tenent amongst you or for joyning in league and alliance with Protestant States nay for notorious vices and some of you adde even for insufficiency and in all these cases the Pope himselfe must be judge And what Protestant Prince can be secure supposing this doctrine be true and that the Popes party either forraigne or domesticall be stronger then such a Princes Do you not hold that the Pope can absolve the subjects of such a King from their allegiance and hath he not done it here in England Did not his Nuncio in Spaine solicite for many yeares together to have an Armado sent against this Kingdome And was not this effected at the instance and pursuit of your English Iesuites did not Cardinall Allen write and print a seditious letter by the Popes command to stirre up the Papists of England to rebellion Was not Queene Elizabeth excommunicated and deposed by the Pope Did not Dolman write a Book by the Popes order to disprove Queen Elizab. Title to the crown and to transferre it upon Portugall These are your tenents and your practises must needs follow upon all occasions which if sometimes they do not it is not for want of Principles to make them good in your conceit but for want of power to put them in execution and therefore we conclude that both the Pope and you do but expect a fit oppertunity to blow up both our King and Parliament and set up your Religion Cath. Those authors which you seeme most to point at too too much favouring the Popes authority in temporall affaires have beene deservedly condemned by our Catholicke Vniversities and their bookes publiquely burned by the order of Catholicke Magistrates And for my part I shall not thinke him innocent or a worthy member of this Common-wealth that will not acknowledge his faithfull loyalty and constant allegiance to our King and countrey though Protestants independent of all forraigne or papall authority Prot. Why doe you not then at the least take the Oath of allegiance Though perhaps for the oath of supremacy there may be some more difficultie in it Cath. Sir if you onely intend to be secured of our allegiance we shall easily agree but to make us decide a question disputable in Schooles by swearing an universall negative to what effect I pray For although in my opinion the Pope cannot depose any absolute Prince though an Hereticke no not in any case of his owne power or by any authority inherent in his person or dignity nor doe I thinke that any indifferent man will say that the Pope can depose King Charles that now raigneth much lesse that he can absolve his Catholike Subjects from their allegiance due unto him Wherefore as wise States-men you ought not to make us sweare to this or that universall tenent in points proble matically disputed by Divines but to secure your selves of our particular allegiances and fidelity to our King and Countrey which you may justly exact of us and we as justly performe And for the Oath of Supremacy 't is a meere folly to imagine that any secular or Lay-men can