do one way and the Elders another way So 2 Cor. 2. 7. Ye ought rather to forgive him and comfort him Sure women children of age and servants to whom he writes were to forgive in their way for to them he determined to come 2 Cor. 1. 15. They were a part of his rejoycing v. 14. they were anointed established sealed by the Spirit v. 21 22. as well as the men and Elders And say the word of confirming their love were an authoritative word as it is Yet it is so as applied to the Elders not as applied to women As the same word of Worshipping relating to Iehovah is a religious adoring relating to David is civil reverence 1 Chr. â—9 21. The people bowed their heads worshipped the Lord and the King 1 Sam. 12. 18 All the people greatly feared the Lord and Samuel Though they were two really distinct actions And this cannot be denied by Mr. H. who gives to the Elders an official power of jurisdiction to the Brethren a judicial power of judgment Ergo they excommunicate not one and the same way 6. Yes and Paul writes to Timothy not as to a Christian simply but as to a Pastor representing the company of Elders as Christ speaks to Peter Mat. 16. as to a Pastor to take heed to Doctrine and reading 1 Tim. 4. 14 16. What Widows 1 Tim 5. 9. What Watchmen 1 Tim. 3. 1 2. 2 Tim. 2. 2. 1 Tim. 5. 17 22. What Deacons 1 Tim. 3. 10 11. there should be in the Church How he should rebuke preach Now this way the people should be warned how to preach how to rebuke not to lay on hands suddenly to save themselves and others by preaching if they have a joint power of ruling with officers It is true he writes to Timothy as to a Christian to flee the lusts of you hâ— but in order to the Ministry that he may be an example to the flock 2 Tim. 2. otherwise women children come to age servants are to flee lusts and to follow righteousness faith love peace c. yet they are to exercise no jurisdiction 7. Tell the Church cannot bear this as Mr. H. would say tell first the Church of Officers and people when the officers are too ordinarily grievous wolves seducers blind guides Idol-shepherds Act. 20. 29. Mat. 7. 15. 2 Pet. 2. 1 2. 1 Iohn 4. 1. Rev. 2. 14 20. T it 3. 10. Ier. 23. 9 15. Ier. 14. 14 15. Isa. 56. 10 11. Mich. 3. 5 6. Zach 11. 8 15 16. Then must the keys and power of binding and loosing be firstly in the people not in the officers who are separable adjuncts as our brethren say the garments of the Church not parts of the Church as garments are not parts of a man Lastly Mr. H. cannot build his new house but by raising the foundation stones of all our worthy Protestant Divines and Fathers who prove that the Pope should hear the general Council from Matth. 18. So Chrysost. hom 85. in Ioan. Orig. hom 7. in Ezek. August Ssrm. 49. de ver domini Cyprian Iewel Apolo c. 8. div 2. page 55. Tho. Mort. Appel Protest l. 4. c. 2. sect 8. page 451. 452. Aene. Sylv. in Gest. Conc. Basil. fol. 5. 51. Rom. Pont. non audist Eccles. Christum non audiet And Riv. Catho Ortho. To 1. Tract 1. q. 8. Papists that are sounder as Gerson Almain Occum Cusanus Contarenâ—â—s Caâ—etanus Ferus Toletus Menochius Maldonatus c. say the Pope is a Brother and ought to hear the Church Mr. H. The Angel of the Church of Ephesus stands for the whole Church saith Mr. R. Ans. See how strangely shall that sound To the Angel of the Church of Ephesus i. e. To the Church of the Church of Ephesus Ans. This is a poor consequence it is known there are often two Tropes in one word The word Angel being put for many Angels as Didoclavius and other learned Authors from Psal. 34 7. prove And then these many overseers are put for the Church and rebuked in the people and the people in them When an Embassador speaks to the Parliament he speaks to England and when he speaks to the Speaker he speaks to the Parliament Will it follow the Embassador speaks to England of England A headless conceit and such quirks make a cause to be suspected so when one offended tells the Church he but tells the brethren of the Church and this is the Church of the Church And if women sons servants be excluded as Mr. H. excludes them then he tells the Church of the Church Mr. Parker though not far from our Brethrens way hath said the very same for which Mr. H. refuteth Mr. R. And if Mr. Parker shews my mind in that when Mr. H. refutes therein M. Parker I yield but he contradicts Mr. Parker Mr. H. It is said Acts 18. 22. Paul saluted the Church at Jerusalem it cannot be thought in reason that the Elders only were saluted because the scope of Paul was to confirm the hearts of the Disciples and therefore had an eye to the weakest and those that wanted his sweet refreshing who heard of his arrival and assembled to give comfortable entertainment to him and to be comforted by him Ans. The Argument must then be thus if any Paul saluted and kissed for so is the original word as many as he confirmed and encouraged in the way of grace at Ierusalem But he confirmed in that way all and every one man woman servants rich poor Ergo he kissed them all and saluted them all Let Mr. H. see to the conclusion it is all his own 2. The Argument is not brought to prove that the word Church there noteth precisely only the Elders Nor does Mr. R. alledge it upon that account precisely but that the word Church may note some eminent professors and note a Church of all men women children yea the thousands who meet in sundry places by the grant of Mr. H. came not out to meet Paul and were saluted of him for to be saluted was but a matter of courtesie though Christian but to be comforted and confirmed in the faith is another thing Mr. H. The word Church in the Hebrew and Greek used by the Septuagint notes the Rulers of the Church not always the body and it is granted without any hurt to our cause Ans. Since the signification of words and of the word Church as Moses and the Prophets use them is frequently followed in the New Testament by the Evangelists and Apostles it is clear our Saviour Mat. 18. departed not from the received signification of the words in the Old Testament used by the Septuagint And so the word Tell the Church hath a better warrant to be expounded Tell the Rulers then tell all the faithful men women children and servants therefore the suspicion is so strong as Mr. H. said that there is no parallel Text for this signification of a male-Church excluding women and officers who
confederate Saints as to the first subject thereof it is no new opinion 2. I oppose Fathers to Fathers 3. If it be in the peoples power to hinder excommunication to take place then the Elders only have not a power given them of Christ to manage this but this is against the wisdom of Christ to ordain means that cannot attain the end which must be if the people may â—inder it Ans. If man be the first and proper subject of capacity to laugh then must all contained under this subject Peter Annâ— be capable to laugh but women servants aged children are as properly the confederate and inchurched Saints by Mr. H. his words as men Cyprian and most of the Fathers take in the people with the Rulers in the exercise of censures by way of consent but without vanity I say never Fathers Greek or or Latine Councels old or late Doctors Schoolmen Prote â—ant Papist or any Divine till of late the Socinians and now the brethren of the Congregational way and the Separatists and Anabaptiâ—â—s taught that the Church of believers of a single congregation hath formally a power of jurisdiction in them to make and unmake officers to call and excommunicate them But you shall find all the principles and grounds of this new way 〈◊〉 the Arminian Authors and Socinians cited in the Margin and Mr. H. never laboured to vindicate their way from these impure Sects For 1. They deny the notes of the visible Church as the brethren do against the reformed Churches 2. They deny the word Church either Mat. 18. or elsewhere to signifie any thing but Believers never Rulers only 3. They deny the definition of a visible Church from a profession and require reality of holiness at least some of them as our brethren with Anabaptists do 4. Episcopius maintains separation 5. They deny all jurisdiction and necessity of lawful Synods as our Brethren do 6. All Churches to them are visible congregations which meet in one place to hear the Word so our brethren Churches of Câ— in new England c. 1. sect 1. par 1 2. and Mr H. 7. Our brethren reject ordination by the laying on of the hands of the Presbytery and all juridical mission by officers of associate Churches and teach that aptness to teach and holiness of live is sufficient for a call so the people desire them or chuse them and so do also the Arminians and Socinians 8. Thâ—â— the whole Church id est the Brethren and the Officers by accident being only separable adjuncts of the Church have a juridical power of excommunication so Socinians acknowledge all the godly and believers to be the visible Church though scattered all the world over and reject the authority of all visible Churches and Councels deny all juridical calling and ordination so that it is clear that they judge the visible professors and people to be the visible Church which governs and excommunicates which is the mind of Mr. Hooker Mr. H. And the brethren and 9. some Socinians as Nicolaides and others hold that wicked men by no law of God are to be suffered in the visible Church and they are not there Iure Mr. H. offends that unregenerated men when known to be such are to be suffered to be there or that the ordinances should be dispenced to them which to be is against 1. The patience and meekness of Christ I speak of the known non-regenerated that are not scandalous and so against the patience and meekness required in his servants and Church in order to his end 2. Against the institution of the visible Church the schoole of Christ no master ought to exclude out of the school a child who though dull of learning yet is well disposed and keepes the laws of order and discipline for it is ordained â—o fine that the non-regenerate may be effectually called 3. None should be excommunicated but these who are extremely scandalous or obstinate and so none are to be excommunicated for simple non-regeneration which can appear only to be non-regeneration to some regenerate only Ps. 36. 1. and not to them infallibly 4. By the command of Christ and so jure Iohn Baptist baptized huge multitudes of whom he had no assurance that they were regenerate when by the spirit of God he names them a generation of Vipers and rebukes them as Hypocrites who thought it holiness enough to be the carnally born sons of Abraham Mat. 3. 10. I do not speak this to lay any odium upon the brethren as if they loved the wayes of Arminians and Socinians but upon a twofold account 1. Because Mr. H. passes all what I said of this as not worthy the answering though indeed to speak or comply in opinions with enemies to Christ his redemption satisfaction and free grace is not overly to be looked on especially in a new frame of government spiritual in the house of God 2. Because the Presbytery is called Antichristian prelatical formal by our brethren I love not high appeals judging that they often fail against the third command as for toleration maintained by Socinians and Arminians I impute it not to Mr. H. or the brethren of N. E. But there be not many to my knowledge I say no further for the congregatonal way but they are for toleration in non-fundamentals and how few fundamentals there be possibly 2. What they are who can define so that this way seems to me no less new then other sinful ways of Arminians and Socinians and what mischiefe toleration brings forth in Britain also Lastly we hold that censures should not be dispenced against the peoples mind for as Augustine saith the censure shall not edifie if most of the people be infected with the same scandal and if the people shall not in their practices yield it may breed a separation and a schism But it is a naughty consequence if the people may hinder excommunication then it is no ordinance of God which is executed without the peoples judicial power this follows not except the people had a Ius a judicial power from Christ to hinder excommunication which they have not yea and though they had a judicial power yet if they use it not right but abuse that judicial power suppose they had it it follows not Ergo excommunication is not an ordinance of God For 1. The Elders may abuse their power and so hinder excommunication and without them saith Mr. Cotton no act of ruling and excommunicating can be shall therefore excommunication be no ordinance persecutors do hinder the preaching of the Gospel shall the preaching of the Gospel for that be no ordinance of God but the people lawfully may withdraw their consent and then there shall be no excommunication This yet proves not If the peoples power lawfully used hinder undue excommunication then the Elders onely have not power For the peoples power lawfully used hindered King Saul to put Ionathan to death and hindered all the Judges from doing the same Ergo King Saul and the Judges only have not judicial power of
not as a congregation so our Brethren in this as in many other points abuse but expound not the word Mr. H. The power of the keys is in her the Church congregational of Believers as in the cause subordinately under Christ and it may thereby here be acted as potestas judicii in admission of members in the absence of Ministers in censuring by admonition for each man is a Iudge of his brother and there is a judicial way of admonition when the parties are in such a state as in foro exteriori they can make process juridicè against each other so there is a power of gift in all elections Or else this power of the keys is communicated from her to the officers the soul doth not see but by an eye makes an eye and sees by it so that the Church makes a Minister and dispenseth Words and Sacraments by Officers Answ. We seek Scripture and see only Mr. H. his naked assertions 1. The power of the Keys is radically in the Church of redeemed ones to wit the male-Church of redeemed ones a creature for name and thing not in the Word 2. That this male-Church by a judicial power admits members prove that 3. In the absence of Ministers this is done then Ministers and Elders with the male-Church excluding women aged children judicially admit members then all female members and children and servants with blind obedience must own these members and watch over them prove this for women have neither consent nor vote 4. That every one may judicially process another that is judicially accuse one another and complain and bring witnesses against one another and prove the scandal that is true and may judicially accuse before the Church the daughters or servant women yea or men that are incorrigible after private admonition but that the members of the male-Church judge one another by the power of the Keyes is the question Give us Scripture for it 5. There is Potestas doni a power of a gift in all elections well a power of a gift of discerning trying who shall be my Pastor sure women have their gift of discerning why should Pastors be obtruded upon women blindly should men have dominion over their faith I am glad that Mr. H. gives no juridical power to the call and making of Officers but only a power of gift Potestas doni But the Church communicates this power of the Keyes to the Officers that is the male Church of redeemed Brethren This is proved by no word of God but by a similitude in which it is said by poor Physiology The Soul makes an Eye and the Brethren make their Officers which we deny God makes them by the laying on of the hands of the Elders Acts 6. 6. 1 Tim. 4. 14. 2 Tim. 2. 2. 1 Tim. 5. 22. Mr. H. The power of judgement is the Church formaliter Ans. It is often said never proved to be formaliter in your male Church CHAP. III. Whether Mr. Hooker his Arguments conclude strongly that the People have a power of judging MR. H. 197. The power of judgement is in the Rulers directively as formally in the people they out of an office power leading the whole proceeding therein Ans. I never heard that a chief member either Speaker in Parliament or President in Councel or Chair-man in Committee or Moderator in Assembly was a place of juridical power or office over the Judicature or Members of the Church a place of priority of order it is which one may have to day and want to morrow for the nature of order requires that one open the Assembly and moderate the meeting if this be all the official power that Mr. H. gives to officers is weak and of no worth 2. There is no power no act of ruling and governing given to the Pastors above the Brethren For 1. To call an Assembly Ioâ—l 2. Is not proper to the officers the Assembly by its intrinsical power from Christ may convene in his name Nor 2. To examine members whether they be Apostles or not by their way cannot be proper to the Elders ruling for it agrees to other members as welâ— as to them 3. Ordination is and may be according to our Brethren and creating of Officers though Mr. Cotton make it peculiar to Officers because of Act. 6. 6. 1 Tim 4. 14. as Mr. Cotton cites yet Mr. H. saith the Brethren may do it 4. It is no act of the Key of Authority that the Elders open the doors of speech more then that one speak before another or that Elihu speak more then the rest of the friends is no act of the power of the Keyes Nor 5. Is the preparing of matters and receiving of complaints by our Brethrens way proper to them then to other officers more since Mr. H. saith all equally have the power of the Keys from the Church of Brethren What power of the Keyes the Pastors have in preaching and exhorting they have it rather over the congregation then over the male-Church of Brethren nor is it so properly a superiority of rule as of doctrine which in Synods they have over Churches nor can the Pastor have a directive power as a Pastor over the brethren since by M. H. his way they may judg and censure him Can the King be their Judg with a directive power who not being a Parliament may judg authoritatively whether he should be King or not and may dethrone him Mr. H. Arg. 1. Ejusdem ist instituere destituere The people have power to consure and depose Officers in case of heresie or otber iuiquity for they gave power by election to Rulers Ans. It is ordinary to our Brethren to prove in a Circle the fraternity have power to chuse Officers ere they have power to depose and they have power to censure excommunicate he whole being above the part ergo they must have power to ordain we deny the Fraternity can either make or unmake officers 2. That is not so undeniable a proposition an Assembly of Officers a Church of thirty may constitute themselves in a Judicature and so may a Parliament by an intrinsecal power in themselves Ergo they may for heresie and scandal against the Law of Nature destroy and censure themselves it followeth not 3. Apostles were immediatly called of God and made Pastors habitu by that call and special direction of the spirit which was in stead of Election Paul is forbidden to preach in Bithynia and called to preach in Macedonia how many times should the Pâ—ostles be made Pastors and unpastored again if the present call be that only which makes them Pastors Levites were ordained to serve the Tribes joyntly and when the Tribes were dispersed the Levites were dispersed and remained Levites in whatever place they came to as Mr. Hudson sheweth 4. If Pastors be baptized and members of the Churchonly to which they are chosen Pastors then as to the former part they and all other baptized to one single
nor receive witnesses as Paul Titus Timothy then are they not the first subject of the power of the Keys Ans. The consequence is false for ruling Elders cannot so lay on hands nor so receive witnesses as teaching Elders do yet they have the power of the Keys Ans. The Argument is not mine in that place I neither call the organick Church the subject nor the first subject but only say since the world was the people are never Key-bearers nor so called the Presbytery layes on hands 1 Tim. 4. 14. the Apostles Act 6. 6. Timothy a Pastor 1 Tim 5. 22. for to bear the Keys is borrowed from a Steward Oeconomus as all agree both Fathers and latter Divines As to bind and loose is borrowed from such as command Gâ—ols as Pareus observeth Ps. 105. 18 20. 2 Kings 25. 27. Ps 149. 8. Act 12. 6. but no official power nor act of office as of a Steward or Jaylor is given to the people And it is like much Logick I have here met with the ruling Elders cannot so lay on hands and so receive witnesses as the teaching Elders Ergo teaching and ruling Elders for all that may well be the first subject of the Keys my meaning is they lay not on hands so that is by any pastoral teaching power But as for the people they bear not the Keys at all over themselves nor are they in any sort Stewards to feed themselves and therefore they are no more the subject of the Keys then private servants of the house to exercise the Keys authoritatively the Ethiopian is not white at all Ergo he is not so white as a Raven Mr. H. To whomsoever Christ giveth the Keys to them he gives a ministerial spirit by way of special Embassage to remit or retain sin Ans. This is unsound for the Keys are given to ruling Elders who have no such ministerial spirit it is not enough to say that power of preaching is not formally given to ruling Elders yet it is effective given in the fruit to them as Mr. R. saith for they who receive the same commission or equal power of the same commission must receive the power of the keys formally Ans. The Keys in a ministerial way of special Embassage to remit and retain sins are given to teachers by a concional way of remitting and retaining sins and to both teachers and ruling Elders effectually saith Mr. R in the judicial and authoritative application in the external Court of Christs Church but believers as believers and as visible Saints confederate have no such power judiciall formally or effectively Let Mr. H. prove this and it shall be seen there it sticks hic haeret ei aqua nor is it denied but ruling Elders have the same power of the Keys formally as touching the judicial application of the word preached in the external Court For the whole Court Teachers and Elders do formally in a judicial way apply to the conscience of the incestuous Corinthian his sin thus Thou by name hast committed incest we by the formal power and ministerial spirit given to us by Christ deliver thee to Satan c. All have alike formal and effective and so causal influence in this sentence 2. I also thus frame the Argument To whatsoever society Christ hath given the Keys to some of that society he hath given the spirit to remit and to retain sin by way of concional preaching the Gospel Iohn 20. 21 22. Matth. 28. 20. Mark 16. 15 16. for there is a binding and loosing chiefly in the preached Word and to all of them he hath given a formal power of binding and loosing in the Court of Christ conjoyned with the former binding and not to be separated from it Give us in the word Excommunication separated from the preaching of the Word But Christ hath given no power judicial of this kinde to excommunicate all the officers to ordain all the officers to the society of brethren destitute of Pastors And give us leave to keep this ground of vantage we can produce Scripture for this practise that the Elders laid on hands and ordained Elders Act. 6. 6. 1 Tim. 4. 14. 5. 22. 2 Tim. 2. 2. Tit. 1. 5. Let our Brethren shew where the male-Church of onely unofficed brethren did the like and give precept or promise and we are silent We may justly ask By what power unofficed men may make officers there must be an institution for this and its hard to prove positive institutions by far off consequences Mr. H. Ruling Elders do not effectually he should say effectively as I do which is a far other term apply the word in the external Court why because the application of the word thus dispensed implies that it is issued and ended Ans. If the meaning be the Sermon is closed and done and the incestuous man repents not therefore all place for judicial application of the Word to the conscience of the scandalous man in the Court of Discipline is ended How weak and watery is such a consequence except we say that the whole Court of Teachers and Elders do not apply medicinally to the man in the externall Court the Word preached which to say were to destroy all Church-discipline Mr. H. There is a Iudicial power in making application of the word preached by any of the members who have power to admonish judicially Ans. That is to beg the question for none have power to admonish judicially as the Church but the officers and those that are stewards who bear the Keyes otherwise women have power to apply the Word and to rebuke and to exhort 2. This contradicts the former just now spoken The Elders cannot effectively apply in the Court the Word preached why the Word dispensed and preached is ended But here every member may judicially apply out of the Court though the Word dispensed be ended Mr. H. Mr. R. Arg. 4. The government of the Church is complete in officers their number their dispensed censures of binding and loosing without any power of the keyes in the people and therefore it is superfluous yea if the believers have power there alone to excommunicate all the officers as Mr. H. saith the Elders in governing must be as superfluous as the sixth finger in the hand Ans. Though the people have power of judging yet they have not power of office which is necessary Ans. Power of office is necessary to the preaching of the Word and to the administrating of the Seals of which we now speak not I hope Mr. H. questions not the necessity of a standing Ministery to the end but since officers are created and all the officers may be excommunicated by the onely brethren as Mr H. saith contrary to Mr. Cotton and the Word now ordaining of pastors and excommunicating of them are the highest acts of Rule then the Elders are as superfluous as the sixth finger to the hand in the highest point of Ruling and officers must be onely necessary
It s true they may say he plays the Tyrant in that but yet God hath given him the onely supreme power both to inquire saith Mr. H. and judge of Professions and Religions which is true and ought to be maintained which is false and ought to be rejected And if so the many godly who fled from Old England to New England because of Prelatical Tyranny of conscience did believe that the late King Charles had power as a King to judge the Service book and Ceremonies imposed upon the godly in England yea and upon Scotland also was the onely true Religion and had power given him of God as supreme Magistrate to command all the three Kingdoms to be of the Kings Religion or then let them all be banished out of his Dominions But is not this to make the King a Pope and the onely carver and Lord of the Faith and Religion of his Subjects and so the King by his Office is the Messenger of the Lord of Hosts and a Royal Prophetical Teacher who watches for the souls of all his people What Scripture puts the King in such an Office 2. Did not the godly and sound condemn such an Headship in the Oath of Supremacy and in the Kings Proclamation in which he as King commands all to receive such a Religion as he thinks fit even the substantials of the Mass and no Prayers but book-prayers the other Prayers being fancies And this command is equal to a pastoral or Synodical Decree 1. Because it comes from the King having no act of the Church but onely having taken the counsel of his Clergie and so by civil power peculiar to his power Royal and place as Mr. H. speaks p. 56. 2. Because its the onely form of worship he thinks fit 3. Because he commands it to all Ecclesiastick persons Arch-bishops Bishops c. as the onely Spiritual Pastor of Pastors on earth Hence if Christ hath given such power it s not lawful without breach of the fifth Command to embrace or profess any Religion in a Christian Kingdom except it be first instamped by or with the Authority of the King the Head as the Chaplain calls him of the Churches by his Royal Authority Yea our Book of Canons say that Christian Kings now have the same power in causes Ecclesiastical that the godly Kings among the Iews had And are they not then Prophets by office and may write Canonick Scripture as David and Solomon did and so we must not without Rebellion profess the Faith or the Christian Religion but when and where such as the King commands us contrary to Mat. 10. 32. or we are to confess Christ before men but not except the King teach and command a confession and such a confessor 3. Paul must have told us Eph 4. 11 12. of the King as well as of the Apostle given to edifie the Body and gather the Church if so be that he is the onely supreme Iudge of true and false Religions And he must be some spiritual officer and one who chooseth a God and a Religion to his Subjects and he must be â—he holiest Subject who can say The Kings God is my God When I read this I was sad to see Mr. Tho Hooker speak and write like the Royalist Mr. Rich. Hooker 4. The Magistrate supreme and inferiour except Mr. H. be an Erastian is a member of the Church and under the Scepter of Christ in the preached Gospel and to be edified by the Word Seals Rebukes and Censures for otherwise He that despiseth you despiseth me and if he hear not the Church let him be as a heathen and Faith comes by hearing must suffer a strange exception in the person of the King he may despise pastors and the Church without guiltiness for he is above the pastors and carves their Religion and prescribes as our cited Proclamation saith the causes why Bishops should excommunicate and censure to wit if they refuse the Kings Religion and Mr. H. warrants him by a power peculiar and supreme so to do 5. We reade not that the Kings of Israel and Iudah prescibed what was true and false Religion but were subject to the Priests and Prophets who spake the word of the Lord and the Prophets rebuked Kings as Ieroboam and others for intruding themselves in that office Moses Samuel David Solomon were Prophets 2 Chron. 36. 16. Isa. 50. 19. 6. The Magistrate is the Minister of God and bears the Sword to take order with evil doers and is Custos vindex utriusque tabulae and the Religion is supposed to be before the Ruler 7. It s somewhat heathenish like Numa Lycurgus who to procure obedience and authority to themselves gave out that they prescribed what Religion was true and that they conversed much with God 8. All questions and controversies of Religion in the Nation must be determined all cases of conscience resolved by this Pope who onely can determine what is true and what is false Religion and the King must be the Oracle and Priest with whom onely the Urim and the Thummim must be 9. All fallings against Religion must be Treason against the King whereas Kings and people are rebuked because they hearkened not to the voice of the Prophets not because disobedient to the word of the Lord in the mouth of the King Either this is to take both the Swords from the Pope and to give them to the King or it is nothing for without controversie the King bears the Sword to take vengeance of him that doth evil Rom. 13. 4. 1 Pet. 2. 14. and whosoever determineth by his supreme power what is true and false Religion to all the Subjects must bear the other Sword 10. M. H. makes out his Assertion thus Kings could not provide for their Subjects to live in godliness and honesty except they had power to inquire and judge of true and false Religions Now this is spoken of Nero and of heathen Kings 1 Tim. 2. 1 2. But out of doubt God never made heathens that are enemies to true Religion supreme determiners of true and false Religion And if this agree to Rulers as Rulers as M. H. saith it is peculiar to their power and place then all Rulers Heathen Christian high and low sound in the faith and corrupt and heretical should be carvers of so many sundry Gods and Religions But the next Reason is ill and worse if because the King is a Nurse-father to the Church he must be father and a begetter both of Religion and of the Church because he protects and defends the true Church then true Religion must be before him As also when Mr. H. saith that the Prince is a Nurse father to the Church he means the Independent Church onely so that he owes no protection to Presbyterians nor justice to them And if the Nurse-fathers care be that there should be a right opinion and worship openly professed within his Territories the Magistrate is to do this no other wayes but
of Christ by faith make one body and that he excludes not but includes the visible body he proves from 1 Cor. 12. ye are the body of Christ and Eph. 4. the body gathered by the Ministry of Apostles Evangelists Pastors c. which shall be brought to the unity of faith So Christ is the rock of life and the rock of faith to the Church builded upon the rock which admits not Magns who is not builded upon the rock as Ioh. Hush refused a wicked Pope to be head or member of the Church so built Hieronymus clearly expounds the ports of Hell to be Viâ—ia atque peccata reâ—r vâ—l certè 〈◊〉 Doctrinas sins or herefies which is strong for the invisibâ—e Church of true believers not for the visible congregation of which Iudas and Magus are members to Mr. Hooker and were never built on the rock And the Keyes are given to Bishops and Presbyters who may not under that pretence condemn the innocent And Hieron Com. Mat. 18. 18. Si Ecclesiam non audierit quaecunque alligaveritis potestatem tribuit Apostolis ut sciant qui à 〈◊〉 condeâ—nantur humanam sententiam divinâ roborari quodcunque ligatum fuerit in terra ligari pariter in coelâ— See Hieronym Com. ad Eph. 4. 11. who expounds the body of Christ of the Church until we all meet all the company of believers And Hâ—eron Let the Bishops hear who have power of ordaining Elders in every City Nor need our Brethren suspect Hieronymus to be prelatical his judgment is known to be contrary thereunto See Hieron in Tit. 1. 5. See him for the present purpose in Opuscul in Prover c. 7 p. 217. See Ruffinus for the marks of the true Church saying with us That pure doctrine declares a pure Church and so the Churches which Marcion Valentinus Ebion and Manicheus and other hereticks gather are not true Churches Chrysostom If the ports of hell prevail not against the Church far less shall they prevail against me therefore thou shouldst not be troubled Peter when thou hearest that I shall be crucified Then by the mind of Chrysostom Christ speaks here for the comfort of Peter as a sound believer and not as an external visible member of a congregation as saith Mr. H. And see here a fisher-man is made Pastor and Head of the whole Church Then it could not have been the mind of Chrysostom that such a headship whatever it was or whether peculiar to Peter or no is another question was given to the people Chrysostom expounds tell the Church tell the Rulers Chrysostom As a King sending Iudges gives them power to cast guilty men in prison and to deliver them so sends Christ his Disciples and arms them with authority Will any dream that Chrysostom judgeth that Christ gave this power to the people Chrysostom saith the Apostles take to themselves to determine the number of the Deacons and to ordain them but they give the election of the men to the people lest the Apostles should seem partial and to favour men Mr. H. saith the contrary Valiant Athanasius makes the Church builded upon a Rock to be a strong an unshaken promise and that the Church is an inseparable thing although hell it self were moved and these that are in hell and the Princes of darkness should rage Sure this great Witness never meant any such invincible promise to an external visible congregation and its members Iudas and Simon Magus Peter himself who received the heavenly Keyes sinned saith Athanasius Hilarius commends the Rock which breaks the ports of Hell and sayes that men are loosed or bound in Heaven by condition of the Apostles sentence then doth he not think it the sentence of the people Let the learned judge of the ancient writings of Clemens that Epistle of his to the Corinthians read sometimes in the ancient Church will have Mr. Hookers visible converts only Church-matter though he writ to them as the true Church 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Yet he writes of a sad change of their profession such as was in Israel when they made defection to Idolatry 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 It were hard to say such a company are all visible converts 2. Clemens seems to deny to the people power of commanding and to say that the preachers ordained Bishops and Deacons 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Cyrillus Alexandrinus upon these words I will give thee the Keyes he gifted universally all the Apostles with power over unclean spirits then neither the one power nor the other gave he to the people Cyril Alexan. in Isa. l. 5. pag. 393. Cyrillus tom 2 dialog de Trinitat l. 4. pag. 278. Peter is so called from his most firm and unshaken faith in qua Ecclesia Christi ita fundata ac firmatt essâ—t ut non laberetur esser expugnabilis inferorum portis aeterâ—…um manens on which the Church is built that it cannot fail but remains for ever cannot be overcome by the ports of hell Cyrillus well knew single congregations are not invincible and he speaks of such a saving faith as Magus cannot have it came from the Father teaching ex ineffabili eruditione superna c. See what Apostolick dignity he gave to them which he gave not to the people Cyrill in Ioan. l. 12. c. 56. page 699 700. Cyrill on Isa. 5. c. 60 page 383. August tom 10. Dom. 11 post Epiphan sect 2 page 235. Tertius modus est quomodo totus Christus secundum Ecclesiam id est caput corpus praediceturâ— etenim caput corpus unus Christus non quia sine corpore non est integer sed quia nobiscum integer esse dignatus est membra Christi corpus sumus omnes simul non qui hoc loco sumus tantum fed per universam terram nee qui tantum hoc tempore sed qui dicam ex Abelâ—…sto usque in finem seculi quandiu generant generantur hominis It were needless to prove a visible integral catholick Church all the world over not in Asia onely from Augustine 2. Or to prove a mixture of tares and wheat of good and bad in the visible Church and that they are not visible converts that are members of the visible Church 3. How far in the communion of the Church and of Sacraments mali maculent contaminent bonos see August-cont Epist. Parmen Mr. H. deviseth a way for this It s referred to a mans free choice without any compulsion of any to what congregation he shall joyn himself or not and though the doctrine and ordinances be most pure yet he may keep within himself the causes of his not joyning thinking such are profane and so there is little or nothing of Christs presence in this Church But the formal cause of joyning to a Church in which one should reside is not the holiness of members but the soundness and purity of
people left to my pastoral care then as a Christian over these of another Province whom I am occasionally only to gain and whose faces I never saw Ans. Mr. H. leaves out the words in point of conscience to answer for them to God Which I have Otherwise in regard of using of more means he is obliged to more constant feeding by word seals dayly watching over the single flock then over all Christians on the other side of the Sea and some thousand miles distant from him But if the foundation of governing classical Churches be the love and union of the members of one body of Christ then there is much care onerousness and labour which is required in brotherly consociation to help as the care onerousness which is required in officership Mr. H. Ans. The proposition hath no truth because I love all consociated in one Synod whom I never saw and with whom I could never meet to do good or receive good But if I should be bound to put forth the like onerous and laborious care for their spiritual good as for these to whom by way of office I am bound in the same Congregation Then officers must either do too little or be bound to do too much Ans. This is neither my Argument nor my words my words are Par. 1 pag. 332. Now if we distinguish ONEROUSNESS CARE and LABOUR by way of jurisdiction the former is as GREAT IN FORO DEI in the Court of conscience as the latter These words are left out by Mr. H. qua fide let the Reader judge for the toil care onerousness and labour in point of conscience in the kind and sphere I urge in both by necessity of a divine command but the like care onerousness and labour in quantity in the use of more means in constant preaching personal comforting to all the Christians on earth as to the single congregation I utterly deny But can Mr. H. deny but the Apostles and Brethren Act. 15. did ow as much care onerousness and labour in a binding conscientious way in laying on synodical burdens which bind not onely saith Mr. Cotton materially for the weight of the matter imposed by divine precept but also formally from the authority of the Synod upon the Churches of Ierusalem Antioch Syria Cilicia as any pastor ows to his single flock and that because these Churches are all one consociated body and yet Elders of the Synod were never to see the faces of all these members of the Churches And I put this quere to the Brethren what warrant of Christ is there that a member of an Independent Church ow Church-care to watch teach admonish rebuke comfort as Col. 3. 16. Heb. 3. 13. 1 Thes. 5 14. to a fellow member of the same congregation only and ow no Church-care to another brother dwelling in the same house with him having with him the same faith the same baptism the same Lord the same covenant of Grace the same Saviour only because he is a member of another Independent Church Mr. H. Arg. 5. If they be Pastors over all the Congregations of the circuit then they were new chosen by the Congregations or not c. Ans. This is a repeated blast of an old horn there is this required that Churches about by their silence approve him as Pastor to one single Congregation but that all Congregations make a special election of him to be their fixed Pastor is no more required then that the Churches of Antioch and Ierusalem chose the Apostles and Elders who yet Act. 15. exercise pastoral and official acts over them by the grant of Mr. Cotton and our Brethren They are Elders of Ephesus i. e. of enery Congregation of the combination as all the Kings if they were met in one royal Court to govern the Nations in things of common concernment to all yet are called the Kings of the Nations These are words saith Mr. H. to darken the Elders met here have a new power distinct from the power over their several Congregations a Commission i. e. a new Creature The Kings if so convened have a joynt power of confederate Princes to act in things of common concernment and if that power were distinct from the particular power that they have over their own territories the comparison were parallel Ans. We may suppose such a convention of Kings the Commissioners or Mâ—ssengers of the Churches have no new office but only are met to determin of such a thing as disturbs the Churches Act. 15 5. they differ as Elders and such Elders sent and nominate by the Church and act as Elders by the same official power common to Elders that are not sent and are called by the Church Apostles and Elders Act. 15. 23. 16. 4. 21. 18 25. then sending and commissionating is a condition of order appointed by the God of order no devise of men and the Churches submit to them as to no new office But 1. as to the messengers of the Church and gracious and sound Elders 2. If they speak according to the Law and the testimony not otherwise and the answer is as much against Act. 15. and against Mr. Cotton and all that are for Synods either juridical or consultative as against Mr. R. for they go to Synods who so go by a new power of order not by a new office Mr. H. This course nullifies the power of Elders and proplâ—â—f a Congregation and their proceeding in a righteous way for the Classis may judge a member to be excommunicated whom the Congregation judgeth and that truely not worthy of that censure here the power of Elders and people which act in a way of Christ is wholly hindered Ans. This weak Argument is fully answered by me before That Government which of its own nature hinders and nullifies the righteous proceeding of the Congregation is not a power from Christ. True but now the assumption is false for the presbyterial power added to the just power of a Congregation does strengthen and not nullifie the power of the Congregation That Government which by accidâ—nt and abuse of their power in over voting two Elders who proceed according to the rule of Christ hinders and nullifies right proceeding in onâ— single act is not from Christ is most false For because an abused power and abused government is not from Christ it follows not that the power and government it self is not from God I added an answer to this in my Book which Mr. H. passeth over in silence Suppose the Congregation and Synod agree in the truth as they do Act. 15. Will you say that Peter Paul and Iames their power is nullified and their three votes are swallowed up in that greater convention because to their power is added in this dogmatical determination the power and voices of the rest of the Apostles and Elders yea and some say of the whole Church Act. 15. 2 6 25. 16. 4. 21. 18 25. So say
aged children servants though essential parts of the visibly confessing Church Mat. 16. are formally capable of no power of no exercise of the Keyes at all 2. If God give the power of seeing to the eye as to such a watching member then gives he not the power of seeing to the organical body but if God give the power of seeing to the eye as to a member and part of the body Ergo he gives the power of seeing to all the members Quod convenit qua tale convenit omnibus Ergo he must give the power of watchers to women who are members Mr. H. Office-power is but a little part of the power of the Keys and therefore it may be in Officers and yet the power of the Keyes not be firstly in them but in them who gave Office-power Ans. This is as if one would say the power of a Master-houshold and of a Steward is a part and a little part of the power of the Keys of a family when these only under the Lord of the house have the Keys committed to them shew in all Oeconomies in state a family where the Keyes are committed to any but to those in office and such as are subject of the power of the Keyes a part and a little part of the power of the Keys is not the Key the nible of a Key is not the Key Yes but it may be said the Queen and Mistress of the Royal Family is above the Officers of the Royal House since they are her Servants no less then the Kings Servants Ans. The officers are the believers servants objectively and finaliter for the building of their souls Eph. 4. 11. but the question now is whether they be subjectively sent Potestate missionis by ordination and laying on of hands the ceremony to me is Oeconomy not to be despised but for the thing it selfe I contend of Elders or people and in an official power of the Keys to shut or open Heaven either by preaching seals or discipline there is not any above the officers not the Church of believers in an authoritative way as for a way of Christian dignity believers are without all doubt above all the officers on earth And when the Mistress is a society of sinners that she hath the power of the Keys in any authoritative way over her selfe or any other way committed to her but by a whole consent or godly withdrawing when the Rulers turn Wolves is against Scripture and all Reason Mr. H. Not only the Officers but Offices also are included in the Keys as being of that ministerial power by which Heaven is opened and shut and Officers and Offices are ordinances and Christs gift to the Church Eph. 4. 11. He gave some to be Pastors c. As Mr. K. with Chrysostom acknowledge Ans. To say the Officers and the Offices are included in the Keys is to say â—eedless that both the Stewards and the office of Steward included in the power of the Keys or the King himselfe and the royal office are included in the royal power what sense or rather non-sense is here It s true the office and officers Ephes. 4. 11 12. are given to the Church of men women children servants to the multitude of redâ—emed for the perfecting of the Saints for edifying of the body of Christ vers 12. finaliter and objective even till the coming of Christ but Mr. H. must prove by that Text I doubt if he can or any for him That Offices and Officers are given to the Church subjectively that is not to the multitude but to some select persons the male-Church of the Fraternity that this new power may shuffle the power of the Keys from her to some officers But 1. Who gives our brother leave to leap from one signification of the Church Catholick of the visible Saints to the new male Church 2. From the gift given objectively for the Church as clear it is in the Text to the Church subjective of his owne devising 3. Why contends Mr. H. for the accidents or gifts or priviledges of nothing or a non 〈◊〉 for in Old or New Testament he cannot give us a Redeemed Church of onely believing males Mr. R. The offices that include both the power of the Keys and and the exercise of them are given Mat. 16. to some select persons to Peter Ans. Therefore they must be given to some that are not officers for how unpleasant is the sense to thee who bearest the place and person of an office I will give an office thou that hast an office to thee will I give an office Ans. This quirk for an objection it is not worthy the light is not against me but against the Scripture and Beza Bullenger Pareus Calvin and all the Fathers who say there is promised to Peter who now was an Apostle confined as yet to Iudea the power of the Keys as an Apostle all the world over and in him to all the officers As when a Prince gives a confirmation of the office of Sheriff with larger priviledges then he had before He saith I give to thee who bearest the place and person of an Officer and Magistrate that same Magistracy with more ample priviledges And doth not Mr H. speak as unpleasantly I create thee Peter who wast a visible Saint before now a visible Saint Beside that he ties so the Apostles to be fixed members of one single congregation which he knew their Apostolick office could never permit them with a good conscience to discharge Mr. H. Arg. 4. This complete power of binding and loosing is given to the officer firstly either as teaching or as ruling in a special work or as officers ruling in general if the first then the power must be given to teachers only 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as Mr. R. and so only Teacher shall be Rulers If this power be given to them as Rulers in regard of the common or general nature of ruling then is their equal power of ruling in both Teachers and Elders Ans. The Kâ—yes are given Non uni diviâ—… sed unitati conjunctiâ—â— to all in the Colledge of the Judicature The ruling Elders vote if according to the rule is of as much weight as the teaching Elders vote and it is not absurd but necessary that all be alike here except Mr. H. hold a sort of Episcopacy of Rulers over Rulers in the same Judicature This conceit for there is no solidity of reason here might prove that the King and Parliament the General and Councel of War the Major and the Aldermen are not the first subject formal for of the virtual subject we speak not of their respective military power or civil State powers Yea the Pastor as a labourer in the Word and Doctrine is in honour and power above the ruling Elder the King and General acting severally are above their general Councels A Child in Logick may answer such arguments Mr. H. If the faithful may not lay on hands
have as primarily intrinsecally immediately in their sphere and orb the Keys due to them according to the proportion of the associated body as the whole integral-Catholick Presbytery and Church hath whether in an Oecumenick Councel or out of it It is then a wide mistake in Mr. H. to tell us If an Oecumenical Councel be the first subject of the Keys as it is not that there can be no act of power in ordaining of Ministers in excommunicating of delinquents but by vertue of an Oecumenical Councel giving their influence first to that work For if the meaning be as it must be that a General Councel must prove an act and put forth some actual Mandate commanding such a man to be ordained an officer such a delinquent to be excommunicate else the Churches cannot proceed for to take Mr H. his own comparison Richard or Ioshua cannot be a man or apt to laugh except the abstract nature of man give in his influence to the work And since Mr. H. and his Brethren make the male-congregation abstracted from this or that congregation the first formal subject of the whole power of the Keys what influence I ask doth the so abstract congregation give to the work of Ordination and Excommunication in a particular congregation Abstracted natures do not send abroad mandates to all the congregations all the world over before they can ordain censure or excommunicate If it be said this agrees to the nature of a congregation in general to ordain and excommunicate but there needs no other actual influence of a command to come from the congregation in general to this individual congregation for their using of the Keys True there needs not by the like that any mandate pass from the Oecumenick Councel in general to this or that individual Oecumenick Councel in the exercise of its Synodical acts But saith Mr. H. if the Oecumenick Councel be the first formal subject of the power of the Keys then inferiour Courts cannot ordain nor excommunicate without a warrant and actual command from them Ans. This is feeble for beside that the Oecumenick Councel is not at all any such formal first subject as is said it s a naughty consequence for though power of life and death be in King and Parliament as in the first subject it follows not that an inferiour Judge or free City cannot put to death notorious Traitors and Murtherers all England over without the influence of some actual Mandate from King and Parliament to the putting to death of every Traitor So when Christ gave power of Word Seals and Censures to the Apostles as representing all officers say we or as representing all believers saith Mr. H. it follows that officers and the male-Church cannot administer Word Seals Censures without the influence of a new actual command from the Apostles who did represent all such to whom Jesus Christ gave the Keyes by this arguing of Mr. H. Nor does Mr. H. his first deduction follow that if a General Councel be such a subject as it is not that therefore the existing of such a Councel is as necessary as the well-being of the Church For a Parliamentary power is necessary for England yet suppose by war and other invincible impediments a Parliament could not meet for divers years yet neither power nor exercise of Justice do cease So here Synodical power may be and by the care of the Lord of his House is continued in lesser Assemblies though such Councels exist not But 2. the Antecedent being true the Consequence is null Nor is the power of the Keyes in its latitude as is said either firstly or onely and so not perfectly in this Councel but firstly and intrinsecally in the whole integral Presbytery all the earth over Nor is it necessary that this General Councel though it were the first subject of the Keys always attain all its end in the use of the Keyes For the male-Church void of Pastors cannot attain all its end to wit the pastoral preaching the dogmatick and official sentencing of delinquents the right tendring of the seals yet is the male-Church the onely formal subject of this power to Mr. H. Mr. R. said well that a General Councel can hardly excommunicate a whole National Church for it could hardly be known to them but many are not obstinate in the National Heresie and Scandal who through weakness and fear of persecution dare not confess And it s enough that a National Church may be declared to be no Church as Moses removed the Tabernacle and pitched it without the camp Exod. 33. 7. and Paul turned away from the blaspheming Jews Acts. 13. 45 46. and yet neither the one nor the other is the excommunicating of a National Church for the word of the Covenant remained in the Nation of the Jews after Paul and Barnabas turned from them and preached to the Gentiles Iam. 1. 1. Heb. 1. 1. 3. 6. 10. 25. 1 Pet. 1 1. 1 Ioh. 1. 1. 2. 1 2. Nor is our Brethrens new censure of non communion of Churches so warrantable For 1. The removing of the Candlestick seems to be a judgment inflicted onely by Jesus Christ and they who declare such a society to be no Church must have the warrant of Christ going before and really removing the Gospel For if the Word the contract of marriage and seals remain there in their substance they can only the profession thereof not ceasing declare them an impure and corrupt Church but not to be no Church 2. The doctrine or practise of a Church may be erroneous hurtful and destructive to holiness as that of Pergamus and Thyatira and they defend it and yet remaining sound in other points they cease not to be a people in covenant with God and they cannot be declared no Church and the Ministerial acts of baptizing invalid and to be reiterate as is clear in the Church of the Jews though Idolatrous and in the Scribes and Pharisees corrupt the same way in practise and doctrine whom Christ commandeth to hear Mat. 23. 1 2. far more for a sinful act of Jurisdiction leave they not off to be a Church 3. How can it be clear to a sister-Church that there are not there the Church being above a thousand or many Churches for many Churches may be unchurched as well as one a few names that out of weakness onely are silent at the sinful doctrine and practise of the Church 4. It s hard to say the Church of Rome in which there are the matrimonial Tables the Old and New Testament valid Baptism and Salvation to a covenanted people by the fundamentals preached is no Church though communion with such a Whore be unlawful Mr. H. If the Churches refuse the sentence of Excommunication inflicted by the Court Oâ—cumenical it can never prevail to attain its end Ans. Ergo its unlawful It follows not the Churches the person excommunicate refuse to abstain from the society of one
as a man may all his life never swear a National covenant be guilty of no sin so he may well say a man all his life may give nothing to the poor to Hospitals to maintain the Ministry and Schools and yet not be guilty for all these are free-will offerings It s a gross mistake to say the free-will offerings were not commanded as well as all sacrifices and other offerings Exod. 35. 4 5. Levit. 22. 21. Deut. 16. 10. they are free not from a commanding law I am ashamed of such weak conceits but are free in regard of the willing heartiness of givers and because the determinate quantity precisely fell not under a command as in other offerings but was referred to the holy freedom of the offerer Mr. H. The Rule is uneven a particular man may engage not to drink Wine as hurting his health and soul a Scholar swears he will study painfully a Plow man he shall labour diligently shall the whole land be tyed to such â—â—ths yea the contrary rule holds for the most true Ans. A mistaken Rule is soon made uneven what morally binds one single man not as a Scholar or a Plow-man or such a special professor but as a Church-member baptized circumcised as a visible professor as to keep the Lords Commandments Psal. 119. 106. to be the Lords people to continue sound in the faith to confess Christ before men when called to it Matth. 10. 32. to seek the Lord God of Israel 2 Chron. 15. 13. 2 King 11. 17. that also morally binds the whole nation be it Egypt or Assyria in covenant with God when he shall call them to lay the band of an oath upon themselves as being tempted by higher powers to deny the truth and embrace popery as was our case in Scotland and this is our rule Mr. H. deviseth an uneven rule and would father it upon me A Plow man as a special professor swears he shall painfully till the earth Ergâ— all in covenant with God may swear be they Kings Nobles Barons Burgesses and all the land may swear they shall desert all callings and only till the earth The like is to be thought of the other oath which often is the drunkards oath he shall never drink Wine and with a spoon he sips till he be drunk Ergo all the Nation may so swear but I know no such rule It shall be Mr. H. or any mans not mine Mr. H. The ends of general Reformation may be attained by the Magistrate commanding all the Churches in their several assemblies to attend the mind of Christ to humble themselves and fast and if Churches be corrupt they may be compelled by the civil power to attend the rules of Christ. Ans. It s too laxily spoken he speaks not one word of the Christian Magistrate or the magistrate godly and sound in saith nor of the rule the Scripture but only of the Civil Magistrate the Civil Power What if he be a Heathen what if he be a Papist a Socinian 2. That the ends of reformation may be attained by the Civil Power only who can believe For Mr. H. speaks not one word of the Concurrence of spiritual power and jurisdiction Will not Erastians approve this and say Church-discipline is needless Mr. H. sayes the end of Reformation may be attained by the Civil Magistrates commanding c. 3. Mr. H. tells us often that Church-duties should be willing free acts pag. 40. hearing fasting praying are acted by Ecclesiastical policy Gods people are free and wiâ—â—ing but here they may be compelled by the Civil Power to act these duties Mâ— H. the Church-power is above the Synod because the Churches sent the members Ans. It only follows that the Churches are above the Commissioners as they send them but in actu Synodico Pastoraliter imperandi as the Synod pastorally teach as Mr. Cotton saith and lay on burdens Act. 15. the Synod is above them How the male Church owe obedince to the dogmatick sentence of Pastors we heard before Mr. H. If the Synod erre Churches have power to call another Synod and pass sentence against them Ans. Nothing hence follows but what I yield the Churches in their way are above and worthier then Synods that erre Mr. H. A Synod may enjoyn a man to believe contradictions two Synods in two divers Provinces may conclude contradictory things a man goes to another Province to dwell he believes a contrary conclusion to what he believed before Ans. In some things of meer order in one country the Sermon begins at eight or nine hours in another Province not while ten but these are not contradictory faiths 2. There is no solidity but emptiness here an erring Synod could not jure determine contrary to the decrees of the Apostles and Elders Acts. 15. Christ hath given no power to Synod-Assembly or Churches to conclude lyes in dogmatick points the contradicent of a true and sound Decree deduced soundly from Scripture is a lye and came not from the Synod So Mr. Hooker may condemn Ministers Churches Preachers Doctors Assemblies all who give counsel and advice as no Ordinances of God for the men that are Ministers Churches c. may sinfully contradict the truth and lye but the Ordinance lyes not Mr. H. In all Synods but an Oâ—â—umenical its lawful to make an appeal and therefore to refuse Ans. In no Synod at all following the rule of Christ is it lawful to appeal but that is ever true which our Saviour saith he that despiseth you despiseth me It s a slandering of us as if we taught any appeals but from partial Judges and opressive sentences 2. In general Councels erring as they are not infallible we may appeal to another not erring General Councel and to the collective Catholick Church CHAP. XII Of the Magistrates Power in convocating Synods MR. H. It belongs to the supreme Magistrate the King as peculiar to his power and place and not to the Church to enjoyn the solemn and publick concurrence of the several persons of the Churches and to appoint and nominate whom he will have to consider of those weighty and doubtsome cases which concern the publick professing and practising of the worship of God within his Dominions Ans. Erastians and such as make the King the Head of the Church can give no more to the Prince than Mr. H. 1. By his Royalty he onely can convene Synods 2. He by that same power chooseth the members of Synods 3. Of his supreme Power in controversies we shall hear 1. The Apostles Elders and Church must then be in an act of Rebellion in convening Act. 1. to choose Matthias Acts 6. to ordain Deacons Act. 4. 5. to preach the Gospel in the Temple and convene a Synod Act. 15. from divers Churches without the knowledge or consent of the supreme power It cannot help to say There was no Christian Magistrate then for Mr. H. sayes it was peculiar to
his power and proves it afterward because Arg. 4. pag 58. he cannot otherwise maintain the peace of his subjects Arg. 5. he cannot give them protection without this pag. 59. But the heathen Magistrate as a Magistrate is to procure peace and protection to his Subjects Rom. 13. 1 2 3. 1 Tim. 2. 1 2. So must the Apostles who gave to Caesar the things that are Caesars have laid the foundation of the Gospel upon a rebellious usurping of that which is peculiar saith Mr. H. to the civil power and place 2. The Churches of Corinth Ephesus Rome c. must have convened to Divine Worship 1 Cor. 11. 17 18 c. without warrant for Paul rebukes them for going to law before heathen Judges 1 Cor. 6. Mr. H. They may as Christians maintain private communion one with another and as they be Churches use that Christian priviledge to further their own good and promote the work by counsel for what I do quâ Ethicus quâ Oeconomicus quâ Christianus in private appertains not to the Magistrate except it intrench upon his policy Ans. 1. Mr. H. makes all that Christians do as Christians and as Churches that is gathering of Churches hearing partaking of seals and censures to be private actings not belonging to the Magistrate Strange it is that the convening of the ten thousand Subjects in the same place as our Brethren say belongs nothing to the Magistrate sure it sides with peace or war And yet Mr. H. saith The Magistrate may compel men to attend the mind of Christ and solemnly to humble themselves by fasting and prayer See how these two consist 2. It s strange to say the Magistrate hath nothing to do with what a man doth as a moral man as a member of a family or as a Christian so they do these things in private which they do which is to say the Magistrate hath nothing to do with the Villanies Particides Adulteries and Robberies that men commit in private And Mr. H. saves not the matter by saying The Magistrate hath nothing to do with the man to punish him I judge in these capacities except he intrench upon his policy that is except he break his Laws But sure he can punish no man in any imaginable capacity private or publick except he break his Laws Beside that it s neither Law nor Divinity to say that a man intrencheth upon the Magistrates policy and violates his Laws as Ethicus a moral man or a member of a family either in private or publick for more abominable it is to say He violates Laws and Whores Murthers Robs as a Christian for Christianity teacheth men to deny all ungodliness Tit. 1. 11. for he must do all these as malus civis as a wicked member of the Common-wealth 3. I wonder more in what capacity the Magistrate can have to do with commanding and governing men if not as they converse morally with men and in their families as fathers and sons as Masters and servants and as Christians who both in private and publick may perform duties to one another or oppress one another else the Judge could not punish the rebellious son the wicked servant or the murthering father and the oppressing Master Yea the more secret that wicked acts are a godly Magistate doth the more resemble God who can say as Iob chap. 29. 16. I was a father to the poor and the cause that I knew not I searched out Nor do men except extremely flagitious commit Villanies Robberies Murthers Parricides Adulteries but in private And it appertains to the Ruler the more to search them out the more privately that they be acted But if Mr. H. mean that private actings of citizens of members of families of Christians that are good and indifferent do not appertain to the Magistrate who is an adversary to him in this Though all good actions done in private or publick deserve praise reward and protection from the Magistrate except Mr. H. expound that Rom. 13. 3. Do that which is good and thou shalt have praise of the same so thou do good in publick onely as hypocrites but thou shalt have no praise of the Ruler if thou do good within doors Is this good moral Philosophy of Mr. H But how godly Princes may compel to external worship see Margin Mr. H. Commission and just permission are all one A Ruler permits a Finder to set up a School he needs no commission Ans. If fencing be useful the Ruler must give him positive protection as others that do well else if one kill him when he teaches his Scholars the Ruler ought not to revenge that murther though most treacherously committed and say he promised to the Fencer onely permission and yet it s worse to say the Christian Ruler owes to Assemblies Pastors Schools onely permission Paul saith he owes praise Rom. 13. 3. which with good ground famous Interpreters expound to be countenanting favour protection reward stipends And if the Christian Magistrate do but permit Assemblies to convene as a very Episcopal man D. Bilson said permissio est à magistratu commissio à Christo What more influence if permission and commission be all one hath the godly Magistrate in the publick worship of God and Assemblies of the Church then heathen Magistrates Ahasuerus the Kings of Chaldea who permitted the people of God to worship the true God Esth. 4. v. 16 17. Dan. 6. v 7 8. or the Church of Rome have who by publick Order establish Stews and permit fornication See Emmanuel Sa who saith Bishops and Priests are by Law permitted to have Whores Mr. H. 1 Arg. That a right opinion and worship of God should be openly professed within the Territâ—… and Iurisdiction â—f a State appertains to them as that which comes within the verge and object of the State and policy to attend 1. They could not provide that the Subjâ—ctâ— live in godliness and honesty without this 2. Nor could be Nurse-fathers to the Church and Religion if they should suffer open blasphemy and idolatry to be maintained and professed 3. The Kings of Israel did punish such crimes not as types of Christ but by a civil power Ans. 1. If the Magistrate have onely a permissive power here as even now he said how doth Mr. H. again exalt the Magistrate as Head of the Church to inquire and judge of professions and of true and false Religions by his civil power as after he speaks If he do this by an antecedent Magistratical power as Mr. H. saith in the following words then hath God made the Christian Magistrate as the Magistrate by the power of the Sword for the Magistrates power is formally coactive not suasory or moral not Ecclesiastically juridical to excommunicate the onely Supreme Judge and Determiner of all true and false Religions which Bilson disclaims Henes 1. By his Office he may deny protection and justice to all that are not of his Religion and banish them out of his Dominions
by the Sword for another power he hath not then must he with the Sword compel all within his Dominions to be professed members of Independent Churches else M. H. judges there is some other sound worship and sound profession But this compelling of men to be Church-members Mr. H. before disclaimed Mr. H. doth also suspiciously give his sense of Toleration while he limiteth the Magistrates power to the not suffering of open Blasphemy and Idolatry But beside open Blasphemy there is Blasphemy Pepery in the hesds of it many dangerous errors about superstructures and non-fundamentals are these erroneous opinions professed to be tolerated Mr. H saith nothing against the Belgick and Socinian Toleration of all Errors except fundamentals which are made few by them and hard to be known And what the Gospel suffers by the Toleration holden by the Independents in England and swarms of Sects there is too manifest to the Christian world See the Arminians and Socinians in the Margin Let the Reader judge of Mr. H. his Reason The Kings of Israel did punish Blasphemy and Idolatry not as Types of Christ but by a Civil power Mr. H. shall not in haste teach us what was typical what moral Mr. Lockier and others make the constitution of the Jewish Church typical and of another nature from the New Testament Church others not so But I am afraid our Brethren augment the Kalendar of Typicals until the Old Testament be well near laid aside as many Anabaptists do The Kings of Israel punished blasphemers not as types of Christ but by civil power But Iohâ— Goodwyn will reply Was it a civil power morally that belongs to all Christian Magistrates to destroy the city in which the Inhabitants are seduced to Idolatry and that all the Inhabitants and the cattel be utterly destroyed and the spoil burnt with fire as Deut. 13. 15 16 to punish the cattel of Idolaters and Apostates with death and burn all the goods with fire surely must be temporary then But let Mr. H. shew what is typical in a National Oath They say There is no shadow of it in the New Testament Ans. If the meaning be there is no express command no practise of it in the New Testament or for it and therefore it must be typical 1. By this Argument negative this is not in the New Testament Ergo there is no warrant for it in Scripture is fair for all who would casheer all the Books of the Old Testament as no Scripture and so that the Magistrate should take away the life of one that commits Sodomy Bestiality murthers Father or Mother must be typical and not obliging under the New Testament for let Mr. H. shew an express command or practise for it in the New Testament A general there is Rom. 13. but Socinians Anabaptists tell us You must not take away the life of him who is created according to the Image of God by Logick and argumentative consequences but by express Law 2. Let it be shewed by what express precept or practice in the New Testament a rich Son should take in to his house and feed and maintain his Father-in-law and his Grand-father and his Grand-mother that are begging 3. Mr. H. may also press us for an express precept or practice of a promissory oath in a private person as well as in a Nation and for a covenant of peace by oath between a Christian Nation and a neighbour Christian Nation in the New Testament or suppose a Christian Nation should neighbour with a nation that worships the sun compelling all strangers that come within their bounds by death to deny Jesus Christ worship their God the Sun there must be an express particular precept for a covenant oath for peace to warrant such a paction that the Heatâ—… Nation shall kill none of theirs for refusing Sun-Worship 4. The particular temptations that may tempt Ionathan to be on his own Fathers side against David and might stir David up against Saul and all his seed were a sufficient call to put David and Ionathan under the tye of the oath of God one to another There were good grounds of the covenant between Laban and Iacob And some Nations designed of God should submit suit peace and embrace the Jewish Religion Was there not cause why both they and Israel should lay upon themselves the band of a covenant oath that both of them should be the united Confederates of God and the like National temptations press a Nation now when it s become the Lords covenanted Kingdom as Isa. 19. 25. Rev. 11. 15. which within and without is enticed to receive the mark of the Beast and his name on their foreheads to guard themselves against such snares by a National oath not that every one of the Nation though ignorant profane and malignant and treacherous enemies to the truth should be admitted in covenant And Mr. H. seems to say that promissory oaths of single persons under the New Testament are not necessary and say I not lawful if not necessary For Mr. H. saith a man is not necessarily and morally tied to swear or vow And I believe a man may live all his life and never take a private oath I say private betwixt God and himself to keep his Laws and yet not be guilty of sin in so doing Mr. H. speaks most mistakingly of the doctrine of vowes as if he had not read our Divines For 1. Our National vow that we shall be the Lords people cannot be called a private vow 2. If a vow to keep Gods Commandmens tye not morally and so be not necessary it is not lawful and if so we must condemn these general vows which one makes to God in prayer Psal. 32. 2. I will bless the Lord at all times Psal. 101. 2. I will behave my self wisely in a perfect way Who can pray in faith to God in private but they must engage themselves to God to run if he draw and what suits an enlarged heart and strength against temptations and who can pray for faith and perseverance but they vow new obedience â—â—d yet Mr. H. saith a man may all his life never vow betwixt God and himselfe to keep the Commandments of God and not be guilty As for vowes of particular things vows concerning spare dyeâ— our Divines aâ— Calvin professors of Leyden Tilenus Bacanus teach they are utilia potius quam necessaira useful and in regard of particular temptations profitable rather then necessary Now one National vow is to the whole duties of the first and second Table which we tye our selves to perform both in Baptisme in the Lords Supper in selfe-judging in confession of sin And 2. To say a man all his life may never be tyed to a vow is to say a man may never pray never confess his sins never speak in private his godly Gospel-resolutions and purpose of heart to cleave to the Lord and yet not be guilty 3. This is to make
all Gospel-vows to be unnecessary and will worship under the New Testament Whereas Papists tell us in the Mass they make a general vow of obedience to God See Durantus and Gab. Biel. Mr. H. For if the Magistrate were bound to follow the judgement of the Churches and Ministry if they should judge a toleration of all Religions lawful or judge the false to be true he then were bound to nurse the false Religion and false Churches Ans. 1. No shadow of consequence is here for neither Magistrate nor people can be bound to follow the judgement of the Churches or Ministry farther then they follow the Rule of the Word they follow their judgement conditionally not absolutely and simply and it is a great calumny of Mr. Burton and our Brethren that we lay bands on the consciences of Prince and people to follow the acts and determinations of the Church be they true or false and that there is no place left to appeal to the next or a better informed Synod and to the consciences of the collective Church of the godly judicious professors and to protest and deny obedience to erring Assemblies If it be said but where is there a Iudge to determine whether this or another well informed Synod or the conscience of the collective body of the godly be right This argument falls with equal weight upon all Judicatures all Judges Parliament Prince and Councellors with him upon all Assemblies for what they determine be it toleration of all blasphemies or a strictest uniformity in Worship and Religion it hath no power to bind the conscientious and moral practices of Prince or people more then to bind their conscience by this for the Fraternity and whole Church is tyed to follow the dogmatick determination of officers in preaching or in sentencing delinquents without gain-saying what the officers decree saith Mr. H. it is to all as the word of God But Mr. H. must answer us Churches and Ministry are bound either absolutely or conditionally to follow the Judgement of the King who judgeth popery is the only true Religion to which he can tender protection If the former what Tyranny are we under who must submit to the Religion of the Prince or be denuded of all protection and exposed to fire and sword If the latter be said to wit that Churches and Ministry are only conditionally to follow the judgment of the King so they find it agreeable to the Word otherwise not then it must be false which Mr. H. said that the Prince is the only supreme Judge of all true and false Religions to say they must either obey or suffer saith that Christ exposed all to Martyrdom Mr. H. If it be in the Magistrates power lawfully to forbid and hinder then it is not in the power of the Churches to do lawfullye for then the same thing should be in the same regard both lawful and unlawfulâ—… and the rules of providence shall be opposite one to another but the supreme Magistrate may hinder any of another Nation to come into his Kingdom or his own subjects to go out otherwise he should want power to oppose them who come to lay waste the State and should not have power to require homage of his own people Ans. 1. The probation of the proposition is most false for the power of the Magistrate is not to forbid or command what he pleaseth but according to the rule of the Word and the Churches power is the same if both the powers be lawful their objects cannot be contradictory for God hath not given to two lawful powers any lawful liberty that the one may command what is lawful and the other what is unlawful for then he should give a power to command unlawful things and the command of a created power should make it lawful which is blasphemous this argument falls with weight upon the Independent way There is a Iezabel in the Independent Church of Thyatira and another Iezabel in the Church of Pergamus each Church say our Brethren hath an immediate Independent Church-power to excommunicate Thyatira useth their power and excommunicates Iezabel which is under them Pergamus absolves and defends their Iezabel Both powers are highest and immediate and countable to no juridical power on earth both are lawful powers Then must it follow if it be in the power of the one Church to wiâ— of Pergamus lawfully to forbid and hinder the excommunication of their equally guilty Iezabel and the câ—…ning of her blasphemous Doctrine for Pergamus absolves their â—…l and commends and defends her Doctrine as soâ—…d and â—…g then it shall not be in the power of Tâ—… lawfully to excommunicate their Iezabel and condemn heâ— plasphemous Doctrine for it shall follow that the same Doctrine must be in the same regard both lawful and sound and edifying saith the lawful power of Pergamus and 〈◊〉 unlawful and unsound and destructive to souls saith the lawful power of Thyatira 2. The probation is feeble and wacery the King hath sufficient power to oppose wasters of his Kingdom and to require homage of his subjects Suppose he have not an unlimited power to forbid these of other Nations and Churches and his own to go to a Synod within or without his Nation for the setling of the Churches in necessary peace and truth if the Churches must seek liberty and counsel for their soules good and edification nor hath he any lawful power from God to hinder his own subjects to send Commissioners to sound and godly Synods for counsel and synodical light more then Ieroboam could lawfully forbid the people to go and worship at Ierusalem upon pretence that they might be perswaded to cleave to Rehoboam their lawful Prince and waste his new Kingdom nor hath the Prince an unlimited and absolute power to exact such absolute homage of his people nor such a power over their moving from place for so the Church Independent of Ierusalem confisting of ten thousand if not more should have no intrinsecal power to meet for the publick worship of God but the Prince must have a lawful power to hinder their meeting or then the Church cannot have a lawful power to meet for the convening of ten thousands if abused is as dangerous for wasting of a Kingdom in its own way as the convening of a national Synod is or may be destructive to peace Mr. H. To appoint such solemn publick Assemblies is an act meerly civil Ergo the Prince may do it A civil act belongs not to an Ecclesiastick power A right opinion rectus de Deo sensus cultus of God and a right worship of God is a meerly civil act Ans. There is nothing here sound but evil and worse Christ â—…h given an Ecclesiastick intrinsecal power to his Church to meet it being a part of his free Kingdom and he himself a free King Suppose the Princes of the earth oppose Ps. 2. 1 2 3 4 5 6. Ps. 110. 1 2 3.
2. Kings are Nurse-fathers having a civil but cumulative power to command them to meet and assemble but no privative power to hinder them 3. This proves they may not meet in a single congregation without the leave of the heathen and persecuting Magistrates and condemns all the assembles and Church-meetings of the Apostolick Church as rebellious for they had neither allowance nor command of the Magistrate yea they were forbidden and heathen Rulers as Rulers have power to oppose wasters of their Kingdoms and so had the heathen Emperors in the Apostles times as well as Christian Magistrates have such a power 4. A right sense and opinion of God is no civil act This yet more makes the Magistrate an Ecclesiastick person Mr. H. To call what members of the Synod he pleaseth to consult about the good of the Church belongeth to the Prince and their homage requireth this otherwise he could not maintain the peace of the subject in godliness for providence doth not require the end but allows also the means Ans. Because the third and fourth Arguments are one they are here 1. The godly and sound Prince may call godly and learned Divines where the Churches are rightly constitute but when the Churches make no free election of these Divines it is neither a free Synod not are the Divines messengers of the Churches nor sent by the Churches as Act. 15. 1 2 3. nor may the Magistrate for the maintaining of the peace of the subjects in godliness use what means he pleaseth for that end but only means prescribed of God except Mr. H. can prove that Christ hath annexed to the royal Office a gift of chusing members of Assemblies more excellent then is in the Churches which we read not And if 2. this belong to the Magistrate as the Magistrate then all Magistrates Heathen Arrian Socinian Popish for sure they are Magistrates must have this power and this power only if it be given to godly and sound Magistrates as such Mr. H. his instance of Herod comes far short of this power Read then the Councel of Antioch holden by the Arrians under Constantius Then must Maximus Bishop of Ierusalem and Iulius Bishop of Rome who refused to come to that Councel be Rebells by Mr. H. his reason and deny homage to the Emperour For the Magdeburgenses Sozomen Socrates tell us these godly men justly feared the Princes siding with Arrians and the design of casting out of Athanasius at the Assembly at Antiochia Anno 344. and the altering of the Nicene faith as fell out and it s known that Constantius rigorously and unjustly commanded those of the Councel of Sirmium Anno 356. to recall the two Confessions of Faith one in Latine another in Greek in which though abstaining from the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which should not have been they gave great glory to the Son of God yet that they too much inclined to obey his wicked design in that he also banished many worthy Bishops Liberius Bishop of Rome Paulinus Bishop of Triere Dionyfius Bishop of Alba Osius Bishop of Corduba and others because they refused to ratifie in the Councel at Millan the deposition of Athanasius and to alter the Nicene Faith See Theodoret Socrates Sozoâ—en Ruffin Much more of the flexibleness of Constantius in opposing the Councel of Ariminum and in arming with power Ursatius and Valens to publish the summe of the Arrian Faith and to eject sundry Bishops who refused to subscribe thereunto and in gathering a Councel in Nica a town in Thracia which ratified the Arrian Faith and called it falsely the Nicâ—â—â— Faith as if the world knew not then and now the difference between Nica in Thracia and Nice in Bithynia See Socrates and Sozomen Who shall read the Histories shall find 1. That the Emperors were not Masters of true and false Religion as Mr. H. saith 2. That they had not power of chusing members of the Councel as Mr. H. 3. That godly Bishops refusing to come to corrupt Councels at the command of the Emperor were not counted rebellious as Mr. H. saith To the fifth Argument The Churches need the protection of the Prince in Assemblies and are to give an account to any of their faith and doings 1 Pet. 3. 18. and far more to the Christian Prince but it follows not that they have no intrinâ—…l power from Christ to meet themselves if the Prince refuse to convocate them as Asa Hezekiah Iosiah did for the Magistrate ought to protect the Independent congregation and every single Professor but it follows not therefore the single congregation hath no power intrinsecal to meet for Word and Seals except the Prince who is a persecutor give him leave nor follows it yet therefore no single member can profess Christ before men and the Ruler who often persecutes confession of Christ except the Ruler give him leave to profess Christ and to meet in a Synod For Christ hath given to his Church and members thereof power to worship him in private in publick in Church-Assemblies and hath laid above their heads no lawful privative power of Rulers to hinder his people to worship the Lord God Exodus 3â— and the Argument retorted concludes against Mr. Hooker The Prince hath no power under pretence of keeping civil peace to Casar to hinder actings of rendring honour to God contrary to truth and destructive to the Gospel CHAP. XIII Antiquity knew nothing of the Mystery of our Brethrens Independent Way THe external Society of the Church say the Magdeburgenses is at all times mixed of good and bad Our Brethren say of all visibly good even visible converts The Magdeburgenses teach That after Paul hath commended the faith and obedience love sanctification growth of grace of the visible Church of Rome Rom. 1. 6 7. Corinth 1 Cor. 1. 2. Galatia Gal. 1. 2 3 4. Thessalonicâ— 2 Thess. 1. 2 3 4. Philippi cap. 1. ver 5 6. and the seven Churches Rev c. 2. 3. which are commended highly by Christ yet in the same very Epistle the mixture of visible hypocrites was to be seen among them See Flaâ— Illy in Catalogo Testium veritatis lib. 2. pag. 91 92 93. Pa. Simpson his Centuries Cent. 1 2 c. Baronâ—â— Annales Cent. 1. sequentibus ann 204 242 245. Iacob Gualterium Iesuitam in Tabulâ Chronographicâ a. 1. seculo ad seculum 17. Sac. 1. ad an 100. pag. 153. sect 3. sequintibus See Bernard See August tom 7. contra Epistolam Parmeniani Donatista l. 1 2 3. de Baptismo contra Donatistas lib. 7. Contra literas Petiliani Donatistae lib. 3. Lib. de Unitate Ecclesiae August contra Cresconium Grammaticum lib. 4. Colla. cum Donatistis Ad Donatistas post collationem l. l. de gestis cum Emerito See Cyprian ad plebem quinque Presbyteris Schismaticis factionis Foelicissimi Epist. 40. vol. l. 1. Epist. 8. Cyprian ad Cornelium de ordinatione ejus à sâ—
Civ Dei lib. 20. cap. 19. Beda in Ioan. Potestas solvendi ligandi Cypr. Epist. ad lapsos Ep. 27. alias lib. 5. Epist. 6. Et tibi dabo claves inde per temporum successionum vices Episcoporum ordinatio Ecclesiae ratio decurrit ut Ecclesia super Episcopos constituatur omnes actus Ecclesiae per eosdem propositos gubernetur cum hoc itaque divina lege fundatum sit miror quosdam audaci temeritate sic mihi scribere voluisse quod Ecclesia in Episcopo Clero in omnibus stantibus Women servants others have the Key of love as well as the Male-Church How the Church is the subject of the Keys 1. Virtual 2. Formal 3. The Object Keys cap. 7. 3 Prop. 33. The subject of the Keyes according to Mr. Cotton Cotton Keyes cap 7. 29. The first subject 1. Receiveth that power reciprocally 2. It first addeth and putteth forth the exercise of that power 3. It first communicateth that power to others Keys chap. 7. p. 81. 1 Prop. The place 1 Cor. 3. 21. All things are yours c. misinterpreted by Mr. Cotton If the congregation in abstracto as the congregation be the first subject of all officers gifts graces by this All things are yours then the godly Saints visible are excluded from Christ onely because they are not members of a congregation and no promises of a new heart of remission are made to any but to and for the congregation The Scriptureless and unproved assertions concerning the Male-Church excluding women All power of office is by Mr. H. only in moderating and opening the Assembly which is no power of Jurisdiction Men have not the being of Pastors by every new call to preach Essence and Unity of the visible Church chap. 6. It may be said if professors be members baptized to one only congregation they are unbaptized when they depart and turn members of another congregation The Apostle John Baptist asked for no congregation but immediatly upon confession baptized The Apostles preached and baptized in all places as ordinary officers by the same command Mat. 28. 19. by which we teach and baptize Concilium Nic. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Socrat. l. 3. c. 8. Concilium Chalced c. 2. Every Bishop is a Bishop of the Universal Church as is the Pope Doct. Ioan. Crakantborp in defens Eccles. Anglica contra M. Antonii de Dominis Archiep. Spalato injurias Anno 1625. Ed. per Ioan. Barkham c. 28. p. 168 169. Episcopi omnes quâ Episcopi Universalis Ecclesiae pastores sunt consulendo hortando monendo arguendo increpando scriptis simul voce alios omnes instruendo cum vel haeresis ulla vel Schisma grassari coeperit velut incendium publicum illud restinguendo ne latius serpat providendo Cyprian l. 3. Epist. 13. Pastores multi sumus unum tamen Gregem pascimus oves universas quas Christus suo sanguine passione quaesivit colligere fovere debemus The sole fraternity neither is nor is called by any Scripture the redeemed or governing Church Cypr. l. 3. ep 3. Plebs maxime potestatem habet vel dignos sacerdores eligendi vel indignos recusandi Cypr. l. 1. ep 5. alias ep 66. Lib. 1. ep 7. alias 64. Lib. 4. ep 6. alias ep 56. M. Tho. Goodwyn and Mr. Philip Nye Preface to Mr. Cottons treatise of the Keyes The people have no causal virtue in judging but onely in consenting by the judgement of discâ—etion to the sentence The argument is reâ—orted Pag. 197 198. There is a necessity of telling the Presbyterial Church by M. H. his own argument Page 19â— M. Tho Goodwyn Mr Phil. Nye Epist. to the Reader prefixed to the treatise of the Keyes Pastors ruling Elders are equal as touching power juridical but as touching the power pastoral of the Keys of knowledge they are not equal but the pastor is above the other Pag. 198 199. No Scripture for the judicial power of the male-Church but Matth. 18. which is to M. H. a Church of redeemed men and women meeting in one place to partake of all the ordinances M. Cott. Keys c. 5. p. 22 23. as Act. 19. 9. Exo. 33. 7. Mar. 6. 11. Act. 13. 46. D. Ames de consc l. 4. qu. 29. 11. 10. 25. Sect. 3 p. 199 200. Due right of Presb. c. 1. sect 2. p. 9 10 11 12. The office power is not a part but the whole power of the keys Page 191. The Church Mat. 18. binding loosing is not a church of selected persons by our brethrens way Way of the Churches of Christ in N. E. c. 1. pro sect 1. p. 1 2. The church of believers built on the rock is not the formal first and proper subject of the keys How the officers are above the Church of Believers and the Church of Believers above them The offices officers are with as little sense included in the keys as if we would say the King and the royal office are included in the royal power There is no Church of only believing males wanting officers in Scripture Beza 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 non dedit sed dare promittit Bull. non dicit dedi Pareus promittit in futurum How Christ gives to Peter the Keys as representing the officers Page 201. Mr. H. with no better Logick may prove the General and Councel of War the Major and Aldermen are not the first formal subject of their respective powers as Pastors Elders cannot be the same formal subject of the Keys Pauls Presb. c. 1. p. 9 10. Because the breâ—hren lay not hands on nor ordaine Ministers at all therefore they do not so lay on hands and ordain as the officers do Page 401. Pauls Presb. c. 1. p. 9 10. The ministerial spirit of forgiving and retaining sins in the external Court though not in a concional way is due to the ruling as to the teaching Elder The male-Churches ordaining wanteth an institution of Christ. Pag. 202. Pauls Presbyt c. 1. p. 10. It s childish to say because a Sermon is closed before the censure be dispensed therefore there is no application of the word made to the conscience of delinquents in excommunication Officers are superfluous in dispensing censure by M. H. his way Way of the Churches c. 1. sect 1. prop. 1. p. 1 2. Survey ch 10. arg 5. p. 133. Survey ch 11. par 1. p. 186. Mr. H. takes the word Church in the Magna Charta Matth. 18. 16. sometimes for visible Saints male and female 2. Sometimes for the Church of Elders And 3. here for the male-Church without officers and women and other visible Saints Members judg and censure excommunicate one another and yet they bear not rule over one another as M. H. If all be rulers mutually one to another as M. H. must say that word obey them that are over you in the Lord must be spoken only to women and children Peter was not visibly blessed as Magus Mat.
dono vocatione 1 Cor. 14 32. See 〈◊〉 Theolog. Christian. 〈◊〉 1. c. 28. Piscat loc 23. the 29. On the contrary are the Rhemist on 1 Tim. 5. sect 13. Bellarm. de Concil lib. 1. c. 19. Cornel. à Lap. Lorinus Act. 15. Mr. Cotton Key Two sorts of Representatives not considered by Mr. H. Commissioners neither carry the peoples conscience to the Synod not does their Commission give them a new office Par. 1. p. 231 232. Due Right of Presb. Keys of the King d. c. 7. p. 47 48. The whole body of al church guides is the first subject of the power of the Keys in its latitude of that power and the first subject of such a special power is a Synod A power synodical is but a part of the keys and was not before a Synod had being Inferior churches confer not properly a superior power to the churches â—…y have a synodical power by the institution of God Act. 15. To define in Councels is an act of officers Mr. Dickson Expos. Mat. 28. v. 19. doct 6. Par. I. p. 232 233. Ames Bellar. Eâ—â—rvat To. 2. c. 2. An soli praelati majores i. e. Episcopi habent jus suffragii ordinariè ex privilegio consuetudine etiam Cardinal Abbates Bellar. Affirmat nos negamus Ames To. 2. c. 〈◊〉 Th. 1. p. 4. Si esset proprium Episcoporum Pastorum nihil prohibet quin possit cum alii Theologis praesertim Ministris 〈◊〉 Deo institutis communicaâ—i Calv. Act. 15 6. Guâ—lth Act. 15. 22. Calv. sic non enim dicit Lucas totam Ecclesiam congregataâ— sed eos qui doctrinae judicio pollebant qui ex â—atione officii hujus causae legitimi eâ—â—nt Judices fieri quidem oâ—est ut coram plebe habita suâ—riâ— disputatio sed ne ad tractandam causam vulgus promiscuè fuisse admissum putemus Lucas disertè Apostol os Presbyteros nominat Gualther ibid. homil 103. Non ita dominium imperium sibi vindicarunt Apostoli Seniores ut populum ab eorum cognitione excluderent â—ive arcerent quae ex aequo ad totam Ecclesiam pertinebant in populo modestia est quod veritati omnes libenter cederent haec Gualther Bullinger Act. 15. 6. convenerunt Apostoli palam hoc loco Admonemur ad Apostolicos viros pertinere rerum ad fidem quaestionem Bezâ— Act. 15. 1â— Multitudin is autem nomine intellige non totam Ecclesiam utpote quaenâ—ndum esset tota Advocatâ— sed totum Apostolorum Sensorum coetum ut v. 6. unde apparet quae sit yera legitimae Apostolicae Synodi ratio c. How the whole body of Apostles Evangelists Pastors Doctors Elders are the first immediate subject of the whole power of the Keyes M. H. Survey par 1. c. 11. p. 186. Way of the Churches c. 1. sect 1. pro. 3. M. Cotton keys c. 7. p. 31. Inferior courts may use the keys without any influence of a command from a general Councel Though a general Councel â—xist not yet â—he use of the keys ceaseth not in inferior courts Hardly can a general Councel excommunicate a National Church Non-communion of Churches as our Brethren use it is not warrantable See the paper of Accommodation at the Synod at Westminster anno 1644. Sept. 13. Par. 1. c. 13. p. 234 235. Excommunication attaineth not its end alway Ergo is not lawful M. H. so Nor doth the Gospel ever attain its saving end Ergo it s not the Gospel Mr. H. sorcâ—â— upon Mr. R. a proposition as a principle in terminis beyond gainsay which was never in M. R. his mind nor book Simpson Cent. 1. c. 1. The want of gen Councels through providential impediments proves not that they aâ—e not Ordinances English Divin on Hos. 3. 4. Diod. Hos. 3. 4. Iun. Hos. 3. 4. Nam ex quo Israelitae in AssyriaÌ„ fuerunt deportati per Shalmanasarem id est ab anno sexto Ezekiae ad ChristuÌ„ incarnatum fuerunt anni quasi sexcenti octoginta Partus com ib. Zanch com ib. Dissenting Brethren in their Reasons against Synods 2 arg p. 120. The same God that suits his providences to his institutions would not have failed in what is the most soveraign remedy of all other that it might have been existent in all ages as we see his promise was to the Jews to keep their land when the males thrice a year went up to the General Assembly at Ierusalem Euseb. Eccles. hist. l. 5. c. 1. Bucolc Index Euseb. l. 2. c. 25. Epiphan cont haer Tertul. de Cor. milit in Apolo Cario l. 3. Monar 4. How loose that is that providences must suit with institutions The Catholick Church excommunicates antecedently when a particular Church excommunicates but the Catholick Church hath not nor putteth forth a deliberate act of citing accusing condemning before the particular Church act any The comparisoÌ„ of cutting off an infectious member from the whole Catholick visible Church is strained by M. H. He who is excommunicate in one Church is antecedently excommunicate in all 1 Cor. 10. 17. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Excommunication by consequence is no excommunication at all A strange exposition of that he that heareth you heareth me which follows from Mr. H. his way Mr. H. allows of private Communions Page 240. Page 241 242. Survey par 1. c. 14. p. 243. Ames Medul l. 1. c. 32. Thes. 5. Ecclesia igitur particularis respectu commanis illius naturae quae in omnibus particularibus Ecclesiis reperitu est species Ecclesiae in genere sed respectu Ecclesiae Catholicae quae habet rationem integri est totum ex aggregatione variorum membroruâ—â—ingularium compositum at que adeo respectu ipsorum est integrum That there is a Catholick integral militant Church Arg. 2. Arg. 3. Arg. 4. Arg. 5. Pag. 244 245. Arg. 6. Way of the Church of N. 〈◊〉 c 1. sect 1. p. 1 2. Mr. H. supposeth by no Logick that the same body of Christ cannot be both invisible and in another respect visible What way M. R. puts visible in an equal latitude with mystical what way not Calvin Bâ—za in loc Pareus Pet. Martyr Nec Corinthii cum â—ideles professione non Ethnici essent dono linguarum indigebant Piscator English Divines Diodati in loc Estius in loc Cajetan Page 186. A congregation onely cannot be meant 1 Cor. 12. 28. but also the Catholick integral militant Church Pastors may exercise pastoral acts toward many whom they cannot censure or excommunicate Par. 1. p. 247 248. Though the rulers of one City cannot fixedly govern in another yet it s not consequent therefore a Pastor cannot act as a Pastor in divers Churches God hath not every way seâ—ted officers in his Church as the King hath placed Underjudges in the State Let M. H. answer whether the Major of Norwich may lawfully do justice upon one of York who is oppressed by his fellow-citizen of York as the pastor of Boston may tender the L. Supper