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A87773 The Kingdomes grand quere. What warrant there is for such proceeds about the King. Resolved by a Presbyterian minister. Also a quere taken from the representation of the judgement of the ministers in the Province of London delivered to the Generall, Ja. 18. 1648. With resolutions to them both for better satisfaction of tender consciences, that scruple the late proceeds of the Parl. and of the Army with the King. 1649 (1649) Wing K585; Thomason E545_21; ESTC R206046 6,760 11

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THE KINGDOMES GRAND QVERE What warrant there is for such Proceedes about the KING Resolved by a Presbyterian MINISTER ALSO A Quere taken from the REPRESENTATION of the judgement of the Ministers in the Province of LONDON Delivered to the Generall Jan. 18. 1648. WITH Resolutions to them both for better satisfaction of tender Consciences that scruple the late Proceeds of the Parl. and of the Army with the KING Numb 35.1.30 31. And the Lord said who so killeth any the murtherer shall be put to death Yee shall take no satisfaction but he shall surely be put to death So yee shall not pollute the land for blood defiles the land And there can be no expiation for the blood-shed but by the blood of him that shed it 1 Kings 2.31 Fall upon him that thou maist take away the innocent blood that be shed from us and from the Land LONDON Printed by M.S. for H. Cripps in Popes-head Allie 1648. The Kingdomes Grand Quere about proceeds with their KING SIR YOU were pleased to aske mee if Malignants had feed me when I pleaded so for the King Take it as you please I 'le make bold to aske you hath not your Benefice see'd you that formerly you were for the King and suffered under it and could plead as all other Ministers did 1. That we must obey the King as Supreame actively or passively 2. That he that resists powers resists the Ordinance of God For the powers that are are of God 3. That the best weapons of Christians are Prayers and Teares and that they are called to suffer not to rebell But now when you see the King as low as David was when his Souldiers were ready to stone him and that the Parliament hath greater power now you are for the Parliament yea and for the Army too that now have their turne to do what they list O Tempora O mores Tempora mutantur et nos mutamur in illis This may as truly be said of our English Clergy as ever of any There were never greater Turn-coats then Blacke coates In King Henry the eight's time they were all generall first for the Popes supremacy then for the Kings 2. With King Edward the sixth they changed their Religion and were Protestants 3. With Queen Mary they were Papists again And 4. with Queen Elizabeth they turn Cat in pa● and of above 9400. Ecclesiasticall promotions not one hundred of the Parsons stood firm all the rest turned their Religion before they would be turned out of their Livings as Cambden shewes in the year 1559. the 2. of Queen Elizabeth And now you that were for Episcopacy are all generally for Presbytery on the like ground I wis you say your conscience now is better informed but let me put some Queries to you 1. What conscience have you to plead for the Rights of the Parliament and of the Subjects and yet to deny or cut off the Rights of the King and his Successors 2. If the King be guilty of blood as you say so was David so was Manasses of very much blood But what authority hath man to depose the Lords Annointed now more then they had to depose David or Manasses will not God judg Kings 3. And if you wrong the Lords Anointed will you not bring Gods curse upon you and upon the Kingdome 4. Are not other Nations like to come against us to ruine us and our Posterity 5. Will you depose our King before you have set up another King or agreed about one to set all the Land together by the eares and the longest sword take all 6. And lastly shall not all our cries and miseries that you bring upon us pierce the Heavens and will not God hear and curse you and your Posterity for it I have done you must beare with expressions from a heart full of bitternesse And disdaine not to shew mee if you have ought to answer Which if you doe not I shall have cause to judge it is because you cannot and that you are condemned of your owne conscience January 25. 1648. Yours to serve you if you were for God and the King c. Answer to the former letter SIR THough my time be short and precious through urgent occasions yet I must not omit to returne you an Answer though but in briefe that have spoke your heart and the heart of many and that would count my silence disdaine disability or selfe-condemnation And first to the first That Kings should be obeyed actively or passively I still do grant it generally in an ordinary way I must adde that the Hebrew 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Melek King from 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to rule is Hee or They that rule in a Kingdome as Chiefe as the Greeke 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Basileus as it were the Basis or foundation of the peoples right or welfare of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to reigne I say this title King is given in the Scriptures to all and to any that reigned whether it be one King or one Judge as Moses is called King Deut. 33.5 and the Judges are so called each of them Judg. 17.6 Or secondly if two had the chiefe rule as two Consuls in Rome or three Tribuni Plebis or Tenne called Decemviri or if one called Dictator or one called Caesar or Emperor or if one called Papa in a generall Church-power and then with such a Civill power All these I say in Scripture are called Kings See Notes on Revel 17.8 So all those in Rome that succeeded Kings are there called Kings And the Tenne Hornes which are called Tenne Kings The States of Holland are reckoned one and the States of Scotland another not excluding the late time of 1638. 39. when they cast off Bishops and Ceremonies Revel 17. What Ruler or Rulers God and the People set up to be Chiefe over them during that time these are to be obeyed in such manner as is aforesaid 2 Sam. 16.18 Whether it be King as in Rome Tarquine was King till they deposed him and banished him for his villany to Lucretia or two Consuls which Rome put in stead of the King or Caesar who got the Rule by the Army c. This not hindering but that all people except the Jews as in the answer to the second Quere might alter their own Government so often as they had cause and power in their hands To your second He that resists authority or power sinnes It 's true be it higher or a petty Constable but I may resist his force if forcibly he would rob me or ravish or wrong me 't is no sinne if I can to right my selfe To your third Though Christians are to suffer as Christians as the Apostle Paul did yet as freeborne they may and should as cause is stand upon that freedome as the Apostle did Act. 16. ult And to your fourth It 's to be lamented that the most Ministers have still changed with the times but you know many goe the broad way witnesse the first