the Militia 6. February TO suppresse any Forces that may be raised to the disturbance LXXXIV of the publique Peace of the Kingdom or that shall invade this Kingdome to preserve the Peace now to be setled and to prevent all disturbances of the publique Peace that may arise by occasion of the late Troubles And that His Majesty and all His People may be secured from the Iealousies and apprehensions they may have of danger We do consent that all the Forces of the Kingdome both by Sea and Land shall be put into the hands of Persons of knowne faithfulnesse to the Religion and Peace of the Kingdome in such manner and for such time as is hereafter mentioned That the number of those persons be Twenty or if that be not accepted by your Lordships such greater or lesser number as shall be agreed upon between us And that His Majesty may name halfe the persons to be so entrusted and the two Houses the other halfe That such Forts and Townes in which Garrisons have been before these Troubles and such other as shall be agreed upon between us to be necessary for a time to be kept as Garrisons shall be entrusted likewise to persons to be chosen by the Commissioners or the major part of them to be subordinate to the said Commissioners and to receive orders from them and no others And all other places which have been Fortifyed since the beginning of these Troubles shall be left as they were before and the Fortifications and Works slighted and demolished And all Forces with all possible expedition to be disbanded that the Kingdome may be eased of that intolerable burthen That an Act of Parliament shall be passed for the raising of such Moneys for the maintenance of the Navy and Sea-Forces as His Majesty and both Houses shall think fit That when any of the said Commissioners shall dye who was nominated by His Majesty His Majesty shall name another And when any shall dye of those named by the two Houses another shall be chosen by them and in the intervalls of Parliament by the major part of the said Commissioners named by the two Houses and neither the one or the other to be removed but by the joynt consent of His Majesty and both Houses except it shall be desired by your Lordships that His Majesty and the two Houses respectively may remove the respective persons named by them as often as they shall see occasion to which if it shall be insisted on we shall consent These Commissioners or the major part of them or such other number of them as shall be agreed upon shall have power by Act of Parliament to suppresse any Forces raised sitting a Parliament without the joynt consent of His Majesty and both Houses of Parliament or in the intervalls of Parliament without consent of the said Commissioners or the major part of them to the disturbance of the publique Peace of the Kingdom and to suppresse any Forces that shall invade the Kingdome And it shall be High Treason in any who shall leavy any Forces without such authority or consent to the disturbance of the publique Peace That they shall have like power to preserve the Peace now to be setled and to prevent all disturbances of the publique Peace that may arise by occasion of the late Troubles And if any Forces shall be brought into the Kingdom without the joynt consent of the King and the two Houses of Parliament it shall be lawfull for any foure of the said Commissioners to leavy Forces for the suppressing resisting and destroying of the said Forces so brought in We are content that this power to such Persons shall continue for the space of three yeares which we doubt not but by the blessing of God will be abundantly sufficient to secure all persons from their doubts and Feares and in which time such a mutuall confidence may be begot betwixt His Majesty and all His People that the peace will be firme and lasting That the Commissioners before their entrance upon the said Trust shall take an Oath for the due execution of the said Commission and that after the expiration of the said terme of three yeares from the time of the issuing the said Commission they shall not presume to continue any execution of the said authority and it shall be high Treason in any of them to execute the said authority after the expiration of the said three yeares And all the Commanders in chiefe of the Garrisons Forts and His Majesties Ships shall likewise take an Oath for the due execution of their Trust That the Commissioners shall have power to prevent the violation of the Articles of Peace or any troubles arising in the Kingdome by breach of the said Articles and to heare and determine all differences that may occasion the same We shall be willing that any just Priviledges and Immunities be granted by His Majesty to the City of London as being the chiefe City of this Kingdome and the place His Majesty desires to Honour with his most usuall and most constant Residence But we conceive it too envious a thing and may prove very prejudiciall to the happinesse of that great City to distinguish it in a matter of so high importance as the businesse of the Militia from the Authority that the whole Kingdome is to submit to If your Lordships shall not consent to the election of persons in that manner as we have proposed halfe by His Majesty and the other halfe by the two Houses we doe then propose to your Lordships that the said persons who shall have the said powers in manner and forme above mentioned may be named by mutuall consent upon debate between us in which consideration may be taken of the fitnesse or unfitnesse of those who shall be named And in case that any of them who shall be thus agreed upon shall dye within the said terme of three yeares the survivors or the major part of them shall nominate and chuse another in his place who shall be deceased This way we should most have desired but in regard the consideration of persons may take up a long time in debate which neither the time allotted for the Treaty nor the present distractions will permit we do propose the former as the most expedite and certain way but leave the election to your Lordships And whatsoever shall be found deficient in the setling this according to the present agreement or shall be thought fit to be added to it upon any inconveniencies or defects that shall be hereafter discovered the same shall be mended or supplyed in such manner as shall be thought reasonable by the joynt consent of His Majesty and the two Houses of Parliament After which the King's Commissioners delivered in this paper 6. Februray WE shall be ready against the time that the Militia is again LXXXV in order to be Treated upon to give your Lordships an answer to your demands concerning the Militia of the Kingdom of
downe in their Propositions in terminis And in this poynt though they seem to reduce the time which in their Propositions was indefinite to a certainty to which yet the Scottish Commissioners See no. 132. have not absolutely agreed the alteration is more in shew then indeed and rather to the heightning then abateing their demands for whereas they have limited the time to seaven years yet it is with an additionall clause That after those seven years it was to be executed as We and they should agree and not otherwise so that though the Commissioners should have the power but for seaven years yet we should not have it after those seaven years nor at any time unlesse they and we could agree in it so much would they have gained by this seeming compliance in poynt of limitation of this power to a time though not to that time of three years which we proposed But they justify the reasonablenesse of it for whereas our Commissioners in their Paper to which this of theirs is applied as No. 130. an answer tell them that if the time for this power be unlimited we and our posterity shall for ever part with our peculiar Regall power of being able to resist our Enemies or protect our good Subjects and with that undoubted and never denyed right of the Crowne to make Warre and Peace or ever more to have jurisdiction over our own Navy and Fleet at Sea the command thereof being also a part of this great power to be given to these Commissioners They answer plainly they cannot admit of this peculiar Regall Power which Our Commissioners mention to reside in us concerning the Militia and to make Peace and Warre or that it is otherwise to be exercised then by authority from us and both Houses of Parliament of England and the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland respectively We approve of their ingenuity that now at the breaking off of the Treaty they tell us in plain tearmes what they meane though the Common Law-books and Records of Parliament have mentioned that the sole power of protecting the Subjects belongs to the King and that he alone hath power to make Peace and Warre though it hath been the language of former Parliaments even of the last Parliament and at the beginning of this Parliament that the power of Peace and Warre is in the King but if he will have money from His Subjects to maintain the Warres he must have their consents and though the universall consent and common opinion heretofore hath gone accordingly yet they cannot admit thereof as to have been our right for the answer is made to the assertion concerning our right And not admitting it it seems their oathes of Alleageance and Supremacy to defend our Crowne and Dignity and to assistand defend all Iurisdictions Priviledges and authorities belonging to us oblige them not And as they doe not admit this power in right to have been in us alone for the time past so neither will they admit it for the time to come in Vs or Our successors to be able to resist our Enemies or protect our Subjects or to make Peace or Warre but it must be by authority from Vs and the two Houses and the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland respectively They are to be associated in these Regall Powers and the Scepter and the Sword may in Pictures or Statues but are not indeed to be in the Kings hand alone Vpon these grounds We wonder not that they would have the Navy and Fleet at Sea to be put into the hands of their Commissioners for seaven years as the Militia for the Land and after the seaven years to be commanded in such manner as they and we should agree and not otherwise for they say the reasons are the same for them as for the Militia by land It is a principall meanes they say of their security and We cannot find they think themselves to have any security if We and Our Successors have any Power But if We will part with Our Power wholly unto them We and Our Posterity shall be fully secured by the aflections of Our Subjects that is by the Lords Commons now at Westminster who in their sense represent all the people who by themselves during the Parliament or when they shall please to make any recesses by their Commissioners during the intervalls will free us from the burden of the Militia and of Our Navy and so of protecting Our Subjects and will save Vs the Charge of Our Navy because it is to be principally maintained by the free guift of the Subject out of Tonnage and Poundage and other Impositions upon Merchandise And having taken this care for Our security sutable to all their Actions these three yeares last past They say that for security of those who have been with Vs in the Warre an Act of Oblivion is desired to be passed whereby all Our Subjects would have been put in one and the same condition and under the same protection with some exceptions mentioned in the Propositions We are not willing to mention those exceptions by which not onely most of Our best Subjects who have been with Vs in the Warre according to their duties by expresse or generall termes are excepted but all the Estates of some of them and a great part of the Estates of the rest of them for that very cause because they were with Vs in the Warre are to be forfeited As for securing them by an Act of Oblivion they have lesse cause to desire it then they who propose it as being more secured by the Conscience of doing their duties and the protection of the knowne common Law of the Land if it might take place then any protection under the two Houses or their Commissioners for the Militia yet We were not unwilling for the security of all Our Subjects to have assented to an Act of Oblivion being willing as much as in Vs lies to have made up these breaches and buryed the memory of these unhappy Divisions It was urged by our Commissioners that according to the literall sense of the Propositions in the powers given to the Commissioners for the Militia That Sheriffes and Justices of Peace and other legall Ministers could not raise the Posse Comitatus or Forces to suppresse Riots without being lyable to the interpretation of the Commissioners To this they answer That this is no part of the Militia to be exercised by the Commissioners but in executing of Justice and legall Processe nor can be intended to be any disturbance but for the preservation of the Peace We shall admit that to be their meaning but it being by the Propositions made Treason in any who shall leavy any Forces without authority or consent of the Commissioners to the disturbance of the publique Peace it is apparent that the Sheriffes or Iustices of Peace if they raise any Forces to suppresse any tumultuous Assembly which it is possible some of the Commissioners may countenance or
Sir Orlando Bridgeman Sir Thomas Gardiner Mr Iohn Ashburnham and Mr Ieffery Palmer or any tenne of them upon the Propositions formerly sent to His Majesty for a safe and well grounded Peace from His Majesties humble and Loyall Subjects assembled in the Parliaments of both Kingdoms Together with Doctor Stuard upon the Propositions concerning Religion only And upon His Majesties Propositions according to such Instructions as have been given to them or as they from time to time shall receive from both Houses of Parliament Io. BROWNE Cler. Parliam The same last of Ianuary their Commissioners delivered to His Majesties Commissioners this paper Ianuary 31. HAving considered your Commission and Power from His Majesty given in last night by your Lordships we find that XVIII you are authorized to treat only upon certain Propositions sent to His Majesty from the Lords and Commons of Parliament assembled at Westminster and upon His Majesties Answers Messages and Propositions to them and their returnes to his Majesty Wherein we observe that the Propositions sent to His Maiesty from His Maiesties Loyall Subiects assembled in the Parliaments of both His Kingdoms are mentioned to be sent to His Maiestie from the Lords and Commons of Parliament assembled at Westminster and upon His Maiesties Answers Messages and Propositions to them and their Returnes to His Maiesty that a Treaty is to begin And wherein We also observe you have no Power thereby to Treat upon the Propositions sent to His Maiesty from His humble and Loyall Subiects Assembled in the Parliaments of both Kingdoms and the Answers Messages and Propositions sent from His Maiesty to the Lords and Commons Assembled in the Parliament of England at Westminster and the Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland then at London and their returnes to His Maiestie We desire those defects may be cleared and speedily amended The King's Commissioners Answer 31. January WE conceive Our Power being to Treat upon the Propositions XIX brought by the Earle of Denbigh and others and those Propositions being sent from the Parliaments of both Kingdomes there need no mention of the Parliaments of both Kingdomes in that place but that Our power is ample to Treat with your Lordships upon the whole both by expresse words and by other generall words in the Commission which give power to Treat upon those Propositions or any other which generall words are not observed by your Lordships in your paper And Our power is to Treat with the Lords and others authorized for the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland by name yet since you insist upon it it shall be altered by Tuesday next And in the meane time if your Lordships please We desire * The Papers intended are the Propositions concerned Religion which were not then delivered the papers promised yesterday in the paper delivered by the Earle of Northumberland may be delivered unto Vs that there may be as little losse of time as may be Their Reply 31. Ian. IN answer to your Lordships Paper concerning your Power to XX. Treat we are content to proceed in the Treaty with your Lordships in expectation that the Defects mentioned by us in our Paper shall be supplyed by Tuesday next On Munday the third of February the Kings Commissioners did deliver their Commission renewed as followeth CHARLES R. WHereas certaine Propositions were sent unto us from XXI the Lords and Commons Assembled in the Parliament of England at Westminster and from the Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland which were brought unto Vs at Oxford in November last by the Earle of Denbigh and others and upon Our Answers c. as followeth verbatim in His Majesties former Commission Touching the manner of the Treaty The KING's Commissioners Paper 31. January WE desire to the end there may be a greater Freedom XXII in debate which We conceive will much conduce to the happy conclusion of this Treaty that nothing may be understood to be concluded on either side but what is delivered in Writing according as your Lordships have begun And we declare That what shall be delivered in writing upon any Proposition or upon any part of a Proposition is not to be binding or prejudiciall to either Party if the Treaty break off upon any other Proposition or part of any other Proposition Their Answer 31. Ianuary WEE shall deliver our Demands and Answers in Writing XXIII and desire your Lordships to doe the like The King's Commissioners Reply 1. Feb. WEE desire a full Answer of our Paper that nothing XXIV shall be taken as agreed upon but what is put in writing and your Concurrence in declaring that what shall be delivered in writing upon any Proposition or upon any part of a Proposition shall not be binding or prejudiciall to either Party if the Treaty breake off Their further Answer 1. February ACcording to our former Paper we shall deliver our demands XXV and answers in writing and we desire your Lordships to doe the like and nothing shall be taken as agreed upon but what is put in writing And we shall acquaint the Houses of Parliament that you have declared what shall be delivered in Writing upon any Proposition or upon any part of a Proposition is not to be binding or prejudiciall to either Party if the Treaty break off 3. February IN answer to your Lordships Paper formerly delivered we doe XXVI declare that what shall be delivered in Writing upon any Proposition or upon any part of a Proposition is not to be binding or prejudiciall to either Party if the Treaty breake off upon any other Propositions or part of any Proposition Touching the Seditious Sermon The KING's Commissioners Paper 31. Ianuary WEE have certaine Information from divers Persons XXVII It was on Thursday being Market day and the first day of the Meeting present in Vxbridge Church yesterday that there was then a Sermon Preached by one Mr Love in which were many passages very Scandalous to His Majesties Person and derogatâ—ry to His Honour stirring up the people against this Treaty and incensing them against Vs telling them That we come with hearts full of Bloud and that there is as great distance between this Treaty and Peace as between Heaven and Hell or words to that effect with divers other Seditious passages both against His Majesty and this Treaty We know His Majesties hearty desire of a happy and well grounded Peace such as may be for Gods Honour and the good of all His Subjects as well as himselfe And we that are entrusted by His Commission come with cleare Intentions to serve Him in it according to our Consciences and the best of our Iudgements And this being Preached in your Quarters where we are now under safe Conduct We desire your Lordships to consider how much this may reflect upon our Safety how much it may prejudice and blast the blessed hopes of this Treaty and how just offence and distrust it may beget in His Majesty
the Kingdome of England only in pursuance of a former Paper given in by your Lordships the 6. of February We therefore againe desire as formerly that such answer as your Lordships shall think fit to make to our Propositions concerning the Militia may be applied to both Kingdoms joyntly and then we shall be ready by conference to cleare any Objections which your Lordships shall make against the reasonablenesse of our demands The King's Commissioners Paper 15. Febr. WEE desire that your Lordships will satisfy us of the XCV reasonablenesse of your demands concerning the setling the Militia of both Kingdoms and that the nominating of the Persons ought to be by the two Houses of Parliament and the like for the Kingdom of Scotland and that the time ought not to be limited Their Paper 15. Febr. YOur Lordships demand in your * The precedent Paper 4th Paper being made concerning XCVI the Militia of both Kingdoms we are ready upon conference to give satisfaction to what your Lordships shall object against the nominating of the Commissioners by the two Houses of the Parliament of England and the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland respectively or against the time for which the Militia is demanded in the Propositions After some time spent in conference for limiting the time wherein the debate was touching the unreasonablenesse of the demand for taking from the King the Power of the Militia and setling it in Commissioners to be nominated by the two Houses not limited to any time The Kings Commissioners gave in this Paper 15. Febr. WE desire to know whether your Lordships can by your XCVII instructions consent to a limitation of time in the setling the Militia or whether you must insist that the time be unlimited Their Answer 17. Febr. IN Answer to your * The next precedent paper sixt Paper of the 15. of this instant XCVIII concerning the limitation of time in the setling of the Militia We doe insist that the time be unlimited according to our former demands The King's Commissioners Reply 17. Febr. AFter so long debate between us concerning the limitation XCIX of time in the setling of the Militia in which we conceive your Lordships had been satisfied that as it is no way necessary for the security of the observation and performance of the present agreement that the time should be unlimited so in respect of other considerations it may be very mischievous that it should be unlimited we had great reason to desire to know whether your Lordships had any power by your Instructions to consent to a limitation of time and are sory that your Lordships will not give us an answer to that question that thereupon we might have endeavoured to have given your Lordships other satisfaction then by not knowing your power therein we are enabled to doe Their Paper 17. Febr. WE conceive that after so long a debate between us C. your Lordships would have been satisfied that it was most fit concerning the setling the Militia for the time to be unlimited as we have formerly desired and which by our Instructions we are to insist upon They also delivered in this Paper 17. Febr. WE desire a full and cleer answer to what we have delivered CI. to your Lordships concerning the Militia and to know whether your Lordships be limited by any Instructions or Directions what to grant or deny in the same and that we may have a sight of such Instructions or Directions The Answere 17. Febr. VVE doe * The paper after n o 128. was delivered with this herewith deliver to your Lordships such a full and cleere answer to your Propositions concernthe Militia as we hope will give your Lordships satisfaction being such as upon the conference and information we have received from your Lordships seems to us to be most reasonable It appeareth by our Commission whereof your Lordships have a Copy that it hath not any reference to any Instructions It is true that as we have according to our duty from time to time acquainted His Majesty with our proceedings so in some particular cases we have desired to be assisted with His Majesties opinion but what answers we have therein received from His Majesty we conceive it not proper for us to communicate to your Lordships nor have we any warrant so to doe Their Reply 17. Febr. VVE againe desire of your Lordships to know whether you CIII be limited by any Instructions or Directions what to grant or deny unto us concerning the Militia and that we may have a sight of such instructions or directions and which we conceive your Lordships in Justice and reason cannot deny seeing by your Papers and debates you insisted that it was just and reasonable for us to let you know whether we had any power by our Instructions to consent to a limitation of time which we did accordingly And your Lordships 7th Paper this day delivered gives no answer or satisfaction to our former demand herein The King's Commissioners Answer 17. Febr. WE conceive it was just and reasonable for us to demand CIV of your Lordships whether you had power by your instructions to consent to a limitation of time concerning the Militia because the time is left indefinite and not expressed in the Propositions And your Lordships Commission which gives you power to Treat relating to instructions they are thereby part of your power and yet your Lordships to that our demand have given no other answer then That by your instructions you were to insist to have the time unlimited but have not answered whether you had power to consent to a limitation of time And we desire your Lordships to remember that formerly upon our desire to see your instructions that thereby we might see what power was granted to you by your * See before n o 16. Paper of the last of Ianuary your Lordships did answer it was that for which you had no warrant and it appearing to your Lordships that our Commission hath no reference to instructions we conceive that your Lordships cannot expect any other answer then we have already given to your Lordships demand touching any instructions or directions to us what to deny or consent to grant in the Militia assuring your Lordships that we shall not deny but willingly consent to grant whatsoever shall be therein requisite for a full security for observing the Articles of the Treaty or otherwise agreeable to Iustice or reason Touching the Power which should be given to the Commissioners for the Militia The King's Commissioners Paper 14. February VVE desire to know what authority the Commissioners CV nominated by the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland are to have in the Militia of this Kingdom and what influence the Orders and advice from the Estates of the Parliament there shall have upon this Kingdom and how farre the same is to be consented or submitted to here Their Answer 14. Feb. YOur Lordships
the performance and observation of all Articles which shall be agreed upon between us in order to a blessed Peace which we are so desirous may be punctually exactly observed That we are willing that His Maiesty be desired to take a most solemne strict Oath for the full observation thereof And likewise that all persons of any immediate trust by office or attendance on His Maiesty and any other whom you shall think fit shall take such Oath for the due observance of the same with such reasonable penalties as shall be proposed by your Lordships and agreed to by us in which we beleive we shall not differ with your Lordships being willing that whosoever shall in the least degree infringe the agreement which shall be made between us may be looked upon and accounted as most pernicious enemies to King and Kingdomes And if it shall be thought necessary to make any additionall settlement of the Militia with a generall reference to the good of the Kingdomes respectively we desire the same may be done after the Peace established by the joynt consent of His Majesty and the two Houses of Parliament in England and His Majesty and the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland respectively And as we shall desire and endeavour to remove all occasions that may interrupt the Peace and Tranquillity of that Kingdom and a perfect amity with them and shall not desire any change off or to intermeddle in their Lawes or Government or give them cause to apprehend any disturbance or violation of them from this Kingdome so are we obliged with all tendernesse to preserve the Honour Dignity and Constitution of this Realme And therefore as we are yet satisfied we cannot consent that any persons authorized by the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland or any advice from thence shall have any influence upon the Militia of this Kingdome or further interpose in the affaires of this Kingdom then is already provided by the Act of Pacification And we offer to your Lordships considerations whether unlesse there could be an union of the Lawes of both Kingdoms such a mixture of power as is now proposed and the influence thereof both upon Martiall and Civill affaires may not prove very inconvenient and prejudiciall to both Kingdoms and give cause of Iealousies to each other to the disturbance of that mutuall Amity so much desired But if this intermingling of power in both Kingdoms shall be further insisted on by your Lordships we propound that the same may be setled as after a Peace established shall be agreed by the joynt consent of His Majestie and both Houses of Parliament of England and of His Majesty and the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland and if your Lordships shall insist on any thing further for necessary security we shall apply our selves to the consideration thereof if we shall have further time so to do according to our desires grounded upon His Majesties Letter Their Paper 17. Febr. WE do conceive that we have in our former Papers punctually CXXIX satisfied your Lordships in all you desired to know concerning the Powers of the Commissioners of both Kingdoms and the other particulars mentioned by your Lordships and what your Lordships now offer concerning the Militia of the Kingdome of Scotland that the like course shalt be taken in it as is expressed in your Lordships Paper of the 6th of Feb. to be observed for the Militia of this Kingdom your Lordships may remember that in our answer to that paper we told your Lordships it was differing from what we had proposed and unsatisfactory to our just and necessary desires for securing the Peace of the Kingdoms and it cannot be expected that what was so then for the Kingdome of England should now be thought other for the Kingdom of Scotland And though both Kingdoms be now united in the same cause and labouring under the same dangers and therefore necessitated to a mutuall and reciprocall assistance of each other had proposed a joynt remedy and security by that Commission desired in our 17th Proposition we find your Lordships say that as yet you are satisfied you cannot consent unto it to which we answer that we believed we had given your Lordships such convincing reasons as might have satisfied you and we doubt not but they may if you will recollect your memoryes concerning them and rightly weigh them This being the last day we are to Treat upon this subject it cannot be expected and as we conceive it is altogether needlesse to use any more Arguments we do therefore desire your Lordships will be pleased now at the last to give us your full and positive answer to our demands as we have often already pressed your Lordships And where as your Lordships do propound that if we shall further insist upon the uniting of the powers of both Kingdoms it may be done after the Peace establisht we desire your Lordships to consider that it is demanded by us in order to a Peace and a chiefe and most necessary meanes for the attaining and establishment of it And we further observe that your Lordships have given us no answer at all to our 15 Proposition which we do likewise insist upon and defire your answer The King's Commissioners Answer 17. February IF your Lordships had punctually or in any degree satisfied CXXX us in what we desired to know concerning the powers of the Commissioners of both Kingdoms the other particulars mentioned by us we had not troubled your Lordships with so many questions to most of which we could receive no other Answers then the referring us to the Propositions themselves upon which we grounded our questions And we concâ—ive that your Lordships Propositions upon the Militia upon which you still insist have in â—ruth appeared upon debate to be most unreasonable in many particulars as that the persons to be entrusted with the Militia should be nominated onely by the two Houses and that His Majesty who is equally to be secured that the Peace should not be broken should name none That the power given to the Commissioners shall be framed and altered as occasion serves by the two Houses onely And that His Majesty who is so much concerned therein shall have no Negative Voyce as to such powers but is absolutely excluded and that the time should be unlimited So that His Majesty for himselfe and his Posterity should for ever part with their peculiar Regall power of being able to resist their Enemies or protect their good Subjects and with that undoubted and never denyed Right of the Crowne to make Warre and Peace And in no time to come His Majesty or His Posterity should have power to assist their Allies with any supplies of Men though Volunteers or ever more to have any Iurisdiction ovâ—r their owne Navy or Fleet at Sea and so consequently must loose all estimation and confidence with Forraigne Princes And many other expressions in the said Propositions doe either signifie what we find
and after your Lordships Answer to this paper we shall be able to give your Lordships a farther Answer to your joynt Paper of the 20th of February Their Paper 22. February THe Treaty is betwixt us that are the Commissioners of the CXXXIV Parliaments of both Kingdoms joyntly and not severally And your Lordships the Commissioners from His Majesty And the Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland did joyne with the Committees of the two Houses of the Parliament of England in giving in the other joynt Paper concerning the Militia delivered yesterday subscribed by both Secretaries but seeing it containes an alteration limiting the time to seaven years which in the former Propositions agreed to by both Parliaments is indefinite They did declare that they are confident the Parliament of Scotland will assent thereto and they have shewed your Lordships sufficient power to conclude any thing by them agreed unto The King's Commissioners Paper 22. February WE cannot rest satisfied with your Lordships answer to CXXXV our paper delivered to you this day concerning your Lordships the Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland it being indeed but a repetition of your Lordships paper and no answer to ours thereupon and it being very necessary for us to know whether the Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland have a negative voyce and whether they have not power to conclude without farther powers to be granted from the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland upon the answer to which we must the rather insist because your Lordships last paper gives the reason of the distinct paper delivered to us from the Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland to be because the limitation of time now offered differs from the Propositions agreed on by both Parliaments in which the time is indefinite which seems to us to intimate that your Lordships who are the Commissioners from the Parliament of Scotland have not power to consent to any alteration from the said Proposition without first acquainting the Parliament of Scotland although the other joynt paper delivered upon that Subject be signed by both your Secretaries and thereby it is evident that it much concernes us to know whether the said Commissioners have a negative voyce in this Treaty For the matter of your Lordships paper concerning the limitation of time for the Militia to seaven years it is not possible by reason of this shortnesse of time for the Treaty it being tenne of the clock this night when your paper was delivered to give your Lordships a full answer it being necessary for us to receive satisfaction from your Lordships in writing or by conference whether by the words And not otherwise your Lordships intend that after the expiration of the time limited His Majesty shall not exercise the legall power which he now hath over the Militia before the same be agreed upon by His Majesty and the two Houses of the Parliament of England and by His Majesty and the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland respectively for which resolution and debate we heartily wish the time were sufficient being very willing to give your Lordships all reasonable satisfaction And therefore we doe propose to your Lordships that if the Treaty may not now continue it may be adjourned for such time as you shall think fit and not totally dissolved but againe resumed which we propose as the best expedient now left us for the procuring of a blessed Peace and by it the preservation of this now miserable Kingdome from utter ruine and desolation After this about two of the clock the next morning they gave this paper following which is here mentioned to be delivered upon their breaking up the Treaty and intended for an Answer to the paper of the 17th of February n o 129. Their Paper 22. Feb. WEE conceive if your Lordships would weigh our Demands CXXXVI concerning the power of the Commissioners of both Kingdomes you will be satisfied with our Answers to your severall Questions where any doubts were of the expressions we did explaine them and where the Propositions were so cleare as they could beare no doubtfull sense we did referre your Lordships to the Propositions themselves And we conceive our Demands concerning the Militia to be most reasonable and all objections made against them to be by us removed And why your Lordships should insist that the Commissioners should not be nominated by the two Houses onely and His Majesty who is to be equally secured should name none we much marvaile at when you may well consider this power was not to be exercised by the Commissioners untill a Peace had been concluded upon this Treaty and then His Majesty had been fully secured by the Lawes of the Kingdome and by the duties and affections of His Subjects neither could the Commissioners doe any thing in violation of the Peace to the prejudice of His Majesty contrary to the Trust reposed in them they having a rule prescribed which they were not to transgresse and being removeable by both Houses of the Parliament of England and the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland respectively and being liable for any miscarriage to severe punishment And as for their security who have been with His Majesty in this Warre an Act of Oblivion is desired to be passed whereby all His Majesties Subjects in both Kingdomes would have been put in one and the same condition and under the same protection with some exceptions mentioned in those Propositions And if the Commissioners had been severally chosen the memory of these unnaturall Divisions must needs have been continued and probably being severally named would have acted dividedly according to severall interests and the Warre thereby might be more easily revived whereas the scope of the Propositions we have tendered was to take away occasions of future differences to prevent the raising of Armes and to settle a firme and durable Peace And to your Lordships objections that the Commissioners were to continue without any limitation of time although the reasonablenesse thereof hath been sufficiently manifested to your Lordships yet out of most earnest desires of Peace we have proposed to your Lordships a time of seven yeares as is expressed in our Paper delivered to your Lordships the 21th of this instant And for the peculiar Royall Power which your Lordships mention to reside in His Majesty concerning the Militia and to make Peace and Warre we cannot admit thereof or that it is otherwise exercised then by authority from His Majesty and both Houses of Parliament of England and the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland respectively Neither are the Commissioners to have power to make Peace or Warre but that is referred to the 23d Proposition to be Treated upon in due time And for the Navy and Fleet at Sea the principall meanes to maintaine them is to be raised by the free guift of the Subjects out of Tonnage and Poundage and other payments upon Merchandise and the Navy and Fleet being a principall meanes of our
Offered if any other doubts yet remaine by conference to cleare them which still we are ready to doe And we have heard nothing just or reasonable for that Cessation It will be made evident that the necessities which by your Lordships were made excuses for the Cessation were created on purpose to colour the same and we are compelled by your Lordships paper to let you know that the Committees of Parliament sent into Ireland to endeavour to supply their necessities were discountenanced by the principall instruments for that Cessation and when they had taken up 2000l upon their personall security for the Army there they were presently after commanded from the Councell by a Letter brought thither from His Majesty by the Lord Ormonds Secretary And when the Officers of the Army were contented to subscribe for Land in satisfaction of their Arreares it was declared from His Majesty that He disapproved of such subscriptions whereby that course was diverted And we doe affirme that what ever summes of money raised for Ireland were made use of by both Houses of Parliament were fully satisfied with advantage and as we are informed before the Bill mentioned in our former paper was refused by His Majesty And for the Regiments of Horse and Foot mentioned by your Lordships to be raised for Ireland and imployed otherwise by the Houses of Parliament It is true that Forces were so designed and when the Money Armes and other Provisions were all ready and nothing wanting but a Commission from His Majesty for the Lord Wharton who was to Command them the same could not be obtained which was the cause those Forces did not goe thither and when twelve Shipps and six Pinnaces were prepared with 1000 or more land Forces for the service of Ireland and nothing desired but a Commission from His Majesty the Shipps lying ready and staying for the same were three weeks together at 300l a day charge yet the same was denyed though often desired And where your Lordships seem to imply that the provisions seized by His Maiesties Forces were going for Coventrey it was made known to His Maiesty that the same were for Ireland And your Lordships must needs conceive that the papers you delivered to us being but Extracts and for that you deny us so to compare them with the Originalls as to have the names of the Persons by whom they were Written it is altogether unreasonable for us to give any credit to them it being manifest by this and our former papers and debates that the Cessation with the Rebels in Ireland is both unjust and unlawfull We therefore insist on our demands concerning Ireland as apparently good for His Maiesties Subjects there and for reducing that Kingdom to His Maiesties Obedience Before His Maiesties Commissioners gave answer to this last paper they being also to answer the rest of the demands concerning Ireland for their necessary information touching some doubts that did arise upon those demands and the Articles of the Treaty of the 6th of August concerning Ireland and Ordinances delivered with them the Kings Commissioners gave in these severall papers The King's Commissioners first Paper 19. February IN the eight Article of the Treaty for the comming of the CL. Scots Army into England dated 29. Nov. 1643. at Edenbourgh delivered to us by your Lordships among the papers for Ireland and desired by the 12th Proposition to be confirmed by Act of Parliament It is agreed that no Cessation nor any Pacification or agreement for Peace whatsoever shall be made by either Kingdome without the mutuall advice and consent of both Kingdomes or the Committees in that behalfe appoynted who are to have full power for the same in case the Houses of the Parliament of England or the Parliament or Convention of Estates of Scotland shall not sit We desire to know whether that Article extend to any Cessation Pacification or Agreement in Ireland The Answer 19. Febr. WE did in answer to your Lordships Paper of the first of CLI February upon the Propositions concerning Religion deliver the Treaty of the 29th of November 1643. mentioned by your Lordships and not among the Papers for Ireland to which it hath no relation The King's Commissioners Reply 20. February YOur Lordships did deliver the Treaty of the 29th of November CLII. 1642. to us with the Papers concerning Ireland and on the 7th day of this instant February and not upon the first of February upon the Propositions concerning Religion Their Answer 20. Feb. WHen your Lordships peruse your Papers you will rest CLIII satisfied with our Answer of the 19th of this instant to your first Paper that day given to us for it will appeare by your Lordships 3d Paper of the first of February and our Paper given to your Lordships in answer of it that the Treaty of the date at Edenbourgh 29 Novemb. 1643. Was delivered to your Lordships on the first of February upon the Proposition of Religion and not upon the 3d of February with the Papers concerning Ireland The Article of the Treaty of the 29. of November 1643. which occasioned these Papers being by their Papers thus acknowledged not to concerne Ireland and so not pertinent to that subject the Kings Commissioners insisted no farther The King's Commissioners second Paper 19. February BY the 13th Proposition it is demanded that an Act be CLIV. passed to settle the prosecution of the Warre of Ireland in both Houses of Parliament of England to be managed by the joynt advices of both Kingdoms We desire to know Whether if the two Kingdoms shall not agree in their advice touching that Warre each have a Negative voyce or whether the Scots Commander in chiefe of the Forces in Ireland may manage that Warre in such case according to his own discretion Their Answer 19. Febr. IN answer to your Lordships second paper the prosecution of CLV the Warre of Ireland is to be setled in the two Houses of the Parliament of England but is to be managed by a joynt Committee of both Kingdoms wherein the Committee of each Kingdom hath a Negative voyce but in case of disagreement the Houses of Parliament of England may prosecute the Warre as they shall think fit observing the Treaty of the sixth of August 1642. between the two Houses and the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland and the Ordinance of the 11th of April 1644. delivered to your Lordships formerly The King's Commissioners third paper 19. February BY the 20th Proposition in the Intervals of Parliament the CLVI Commissioners for the Militia have power to nominate the Lord Deputy of Ireland and other Officers aâ—d Judges there We desire to know whether that power be limited to the Commissioners of both Kingdoms or only to the Commissioners for England and whether in such cases the Commissioners in Scotland shall vote as single persons Their Answer 19. Feb. THe power of the Commissioners in the Intervals of Parliament CLVII to nominate the Lord Deputy
of Ireland and other officers and Iudges there mentioned in the 20th Proposition being no matters of joynt concernments is to be limited to the Commissioners for the Parliament of England wherein the Commissioners of Scotland are to Vote as single persons The King's Commissioners fourth Paper 19. February THe Articles of the Treaty of the sixth of August giving CLVIII power to the Lievtenant of Ireland when the Scottish Army shall be joyned with His Army to give Instructions to the Scottish commander in chiefe and the Orders of the two Houses of the 9th of March 1644. and the 11th of Aprill See all these in the Appendix 1644. appoynting the Generall of the Scottish Forces in Ireland to command in chiefe over all the Forces as well Brittish as Scots and both being desired to be enacted We desire to know whether the Lievtenant of Ireland shall command the Scots Forces or whether the Scottish Generall shall command all Forces both Brittish and Scots Their Answer 19. Feb. IN Answer to your Lordships 4th Paper we say that the Ordinances CLIX. of the 9th of March and 11th of Aprill 1644. were made when there was no Lievtenant of Ireland and when a Lievtenant shall be made with the approbation of both Houses according to our former Demands in the â—7th and 20th Propositions it will be a fitting time to give further Answer to your Lordships The King's Commissioners Reply 20. Feb. VVE desire a full answer from your Lordships to our CLX fourth paper delivered to your Lordships yesterday concerning the Power of the Lord Lievtenant of Ireland and the Generall of Scots Forces your Lordship having proposed to us that the Articles of the Treaty and the Ordinance of the 11. of April be enacted by His Maiestie by one of which the Generall of the Scotch Forces is to receive instructions for the manageing the War there from the Lievtenant of Ireland and by the other which is the later the Generall of the Scots Forces is to command in cheif both the Brittish and Scots Forces by which it seemes the Lievtenant of that Kingdom is to have no power in the prosecution of that War Their Answer 20. Feb. WE do insist upon our former papers that the prosecution of CLXI the War in Ireland is to be setled in both Houses of Parliament and is to be managed by the ioynt advice of both Kingdoms as in those Papers is set down and when a Lievtenant of Ireland shall be appointed as is expressed in the Propositions and it shall be necessary for the good of the service that he and the Commander in chief of the Scottish Army ioyn The Commander of the Scottish Army shall receive Instructions from the Lord Lievtenant or Deputy or other who shall have the cheif Government of that Kingdom for the time according to the Orders which shall be given by the Commissioners of both Kingdoms The King's Commissioners fifth Paper 19. February THe last part of the 17th Proposition gives power to the CLXII Commissioners for the Militia of both Kingdoms as a ioynt Committee to order the War of Ireland according to the Ordinance of the 11th April and to order the Militia and conserve the Peace of the Kingdom of Ireland and by that of the 11th of April the Earle of Leven being appointed Commander in cheif over all the Forces as well Brittish as Scots We desire to know whether he shall be subordinate to those Commissioners for the Militia and be obliged to observe such orders as he shall receive from them Their Answer 19. Feb. THe Commissioners of the Militia desired by the 17th Proposition CLXIII are to order the War of Ireland according to the Ordinance of the 11th of April and the Earle of Leven being by that Ordinance Commander in cheif of the Forces there is obliged to observe such Orders as he shall receive from those Commissioners Their Commissioners likewise the same 19 of Feb. delivered in some Papers of Demands on their part Their Answer 19. Feb. WE desire that no Cessation of Armes or Peace in Ireland CLXIV may be Treated upon or concluded without consent of both Houses of Parliament of England Another 19. Feb. WE desire to know whether any Peace or Cessation of Armes CLXV in Ireland be consented unto by His Majestie and for what time and whether any Commission be now on foote or other authority given by His Majestie for that purpose The King's Commissioners Answer to both 20. February CLXVI TO your Lordships * Which were the two next precedent Papers sixt and seventh Papers delivered to us yesterday concerning any Peace or Cessation of Armes in Ireland your Lordships well know that long after the Warre begun in this Kingdom and the want of a supply from hence that a Cessation hath bin made with His Majesties consent and we conceive that the same expires in March next and we are confident there is no Peace made there But for the making a Peace or a farther Cessation we can give no farther answer till we may know whether there may be a blessed Peace made in England since if the miserable Civill Warrs shall continue in thâ— Kingdom we cannot conceive it possible for His Majestie by Force to reduce the Kingdom of Ireland or to preserve His Protestant Subjects there without a Peace or Cessation Their Reply 20. Febr. WE conceive your Lordships have given no answer to us whether CLXVII any Commission be now on foot or other authority given by His Majestie for any Peace or Cessation of Armes in Ireland other then that which determines in March next nor to our desire that no Cessation of Armes or Peace in Ireland may be Treated upon or concluded without consent of both Houses of the Parliament of England nor do we understand why your Lordships should delay your answer herein till the Peace in England be concluded since it hath bin so clearly manifested to your Lordships by the true meaning of the Act passed by His Majestie this Parliament that His Majestie can make no Peace nor Cessation without the consent of the two Houses and that your Lordships satisfactory answer to this and our other demands concerning Ireland will much conduce to the setling the Peace of this Kingdom we therefore again desire your Lordships full and clear answer to the particulars expressed in our sixt and seventh papers yesterday delivered to your Lordships The King's Commissioners Answer 20. Febr. WE do not hold our selves any wayes obliged to answer CLXVIII your Lordships demand whether any Commission be on foot or other authority from His Majesty for a Peace or Cessation of Armes in Ireland that question not arising upon any Propositions on His Majesties part yet for your Lordships satisfaction we do again assure you we do not know there is any Peace or Cessation made there other then that which determines in March next But what Commission the Marquesse of Ormond as
had continued thene since that Cessation have returned Touching the Committee sent into Ireland we have already answered they were not discountenanced by His Majesty in what they lawfully might doe although they went without his Privity but conceive your Lordships will not insist that they should sit with the Privy Councell there and assume to themselves to advise and interpose as Privy Councellors And we againe deny the Subscriptions of the Officers of the Army was diverted by His Majesty and it is well knowne that some Officers apprehending upon some Specches that the drift in requiring Subscriptions was to engage the Army against His Majesty in detestation there of upon those Speeches rent the book of Subscription in peeces For the diversion of the moneys raised for that Warre if they had been since repayed the contrary whereof is credibly informed to His Majesty yet that present diversion might be and we beleeve was a great meanes of the future wants of that Kingdome which indueed the Cessation As to the Lord Wharton's Commission we conceive we have already fully satisfied your Lordships the just reasons thereof For the Letters whereof your Lordships had Copies we conceive that you being thereby satisfied of the Contents and that they came from the Lord Iustices and Councell there your Lordships need not doubt of the truth of the matter And for the names of the single persons subscribing we cannot conceive it is desired for any other purpose then to be made use of against such of them as should come into your Quarters you having not granted though desired that it shall not turn to their prejudice if we should give in their Names Vpon what hath been said it appeares That His Majesties English Protestant Subjects in Ireland could not subsist without a Cessation And that the Warre there cannot be maintained or prosecuted to the subduing of the Rebels there during the continuance of this unnaturall Warre here it is evident to any man that shall consider that this Kingdome labouring in a Warre which imployes all the Force and wealth at home cannot nor will spare considerable Supplies to send abroad or if it could yet whiles there are mutuall Iealousies that there cannot be that concurrence in joynt advices betwixt the King and the two Houses as will be necessary if that Warre be prosecuted And that His Majesty cannot condescend or your Lordships in reason expect His Maiesty should by his Consent to Acts of Parliament for the managing of that Warre and raising monyes to that purpose put so great a power into their hands who during these Troubles may if they will turne that power against Him And it is apparent that the continuance of the Warre here must inevitably cause the continuance of the miseries there and endanger the rending of that Kingdome from this Crowne The King's Commissioners other Paper 10. February WE do very much wonder that it doth not clearly appeare CLXXVI to your Lordships that upon any difference between the Committees of both Kingdoms in the managing the War of Ireland in the manner proposed by your Lordships the War there must stand still or be dissolved for if the Ordinance of the 11th of April be by His Majesties Royall assent made an Act of Parliament as your Lordships desire all the Forces of that Kingdom both Brittish and Scottish are put under the absolute Command of the Earle of Leven the Scottish Generall and the managing the War commited wholy to the Committee of both Kingdoms without any reference to the two Houses of the Parliament of England by themselves so that whatsoever your Lordships say of your intentions that the two Houses of Parliament here shall upon such difference mannage the War which yet you say must be observing the Treaty of the 6th of August and the said Ordinance of the 11th of April it is very evident if that Ordinance should be made a Law the War must stand still or be dissolved upon difference of opinion between the Committee of both Kingdoms or else the Earle of Leven must carry on that War according to his discretion for he is in no degree bound to observe the Orders or directions of the Houses of Parliament in England by themselves neither doth the asking His Maiesties consent at all alter the case from what we stated it to your Lordships in our paper of the 20 of this instant for we said then and we say still that if His Maiesty should consent to what you propose He would devest Himself of all His Royall Power in that Kingdom and reserve no power or authority in Himselfe over that War which is most necessary for His Kingly office to do for your Lordships expression when there shall be a Leivtenant of Ireland we presume your Lordships cannot but be informed that His Maiesty hath made and we doubt not but you acknowledg He hath power to make the Lord Marquisse of Ormond His Leivtenant of that Kingdome and who is very well able to manage and carry on that War in such manner as shall be thought necessary for the good of that Kingdom and there is no question but that the naming the Earle of Leven to be Generall to receive Orders only from the ioynt Committee of both Kingdoms doth more take away the power of the two Houses here then if he were a Native of this Kingdom and to obey the Orders of the two Houses And we conceive it evident that the giving the absolute Command of all Forces both Brittish and Scottish to the Earle of Leven Generall of the Scottish Forces who is to manage the Warre according to the Directions of the ioynt Committee of both Kingdoms doth not amount to lesse then to deliver the whole Kingdom of Jreland over into the hands of His Maiesties Subiects of the Kingdom of Scotland therefore we must aske your Lordships pardon to believe out selves obliged in prudence honour Conseience very much to insist on that Consideration and very earnestly to recommend the same to your Lordships And we conceive it most conducing to the good of His Majesties Service and of that Kingdom that the Lievtenant and Iudges there be nominated as they have alwayes been by His Majesty who will be sure to imploy none in places of so great Trust but such whose knowne ability and integrity shall make them worthy and if at any time he shall find himself deceived by those he shall choose can best make them examples of His Iustice as they have bin of His Grace Favour and we beseech your Lordships to consider how impossible it is for His Maiestie to receive that measure of duty everence and application which is due to Him and His Royall Progenitors have alwayes enjoyed if it be not in His owne immediate power to reward those whom he shall by experience discern worthy of publick trust imployment We have made no difficulty to your Lordships of His Maiesties consenting to Acts for the raising of moneys and
of Hackney Jeremy Boroughes of Stepney Edmund Calamy Batchellor in Divinity George Walker Batchellor in Divinity Ioseph Carroll of Lincolns Inne Lazarus Seaman of London D. Iohn Harris Warden of Winchester Colledge George Morley of Mildenhall Edward Reynolds of Branston Thomas Hill of Titchmarch Batchellor in Divinity D. Robert Saunderson of Boothby Pannell Iohn Foxcroft of Gotham Iohn Iackson of Marske William Carter of London Thomas Thoroughgood of Massingham Iohn Arrowsmith of Lynne Robert Harris of Hanwell Batchellor in Divinity Robert crosse of Lincolne Colledge Batchellor in Divinity Iames Archbishop of Armagh Dr Matthias Styles of Saint George Escheape London Samuel Gibson of Burley Jeremiah Whitacre of Stretton D. Edmund Stanton of Kingston D. Daniel Featley of Lambeth Francis Coke of Yoxhall John Lightfoote of Asheley Edward Corbet of Merton Colledge Oxon Samuel Heldersham of Felton John Langley of Westuderley Christopher Tisdale of Vphusborne Tâ—â—â—as Young of Stowmarket John Phillips of Wrentham Humphrey Chambers of Claverton Batchellor in Divinity John Conant of Lymington Barchellor in Divinity Henry Hall of Norwich Batchellor in Divinity Henry Hutton Henry Scuddir of Colingborne Thomas Baylie of Manningford Bruce Benjamine Pickering of Easthoateley Henry Nye of Clapham Arthur Sallaway of Seavernestoake Sydrake Sympson of London Anthony Burgesse of Sutton Coldfield Richard Vines of Calcot William Greenhill of Stepney William Moreton of Newcastle Richard Buckley D. Thomas Temple of Battersey Simeon Ashe of Saint Brides M. Nicholson Thomas Gattaker of Rotherhithe Batchellor in Divinity Iames Weldy of Sylatten D. Christopher Pashley of Hawarden Henry Tozer Batchellor in Divinity William Spurstow of Hampden in Com. Bucks Francis Channell of Oxon Edward Ellis of Gilffield Batchellor in Divinity D Iohn Hacket of Saint Andrews Holborne Samuel de la Place Iohn de la March Matthew Newcomen of Dedham William Lyford of Sherborne in Com. Dorset M. Carter of Dynton in Com. Bucks William Lance of Harrow in Middlesex Thomas Hodges of Kensington in Com. Middlesex Andreas Perne of Wilby in Com. Northampton D. Thomas Westfield of S. Bartholomew le great London Bishop of Bristoll D. Henry Hammon of Penshurst in Kent Nicholas Prophet of Marlborough in Com. Wilts Peter Sterry of London Iohn Erle of Bishopston in Com. Wilts M Gibbon of Waltham Henry Painter of Exceter Batchellor in Divinity M. Michelâ—hwaite of Cherry-burton D. Iohn Wincop of S. Martins in the fields M. Price of Pauls Church in Covent garden Henry Wâ—lkinson Junior Batchellor in Divinity D. Richard Oldsworth Master of Emanuell Colledge in Cambridge M. William Duning of Coldaston and such other person and persons as shall be nominated and appointed by both Houses of Parliament or so many of them as shall not be letted by sicknesse or other necessary impediment shall meet and assemble and are hereby required and enjoyned upon summons signed by the Clerkes of both Houses of Parliament left at their severall respective dwellings to meet and assemble themselves at Westminster in the Chappell called King Henry the sevenths Chappell on the first day of Iuly in the yeare of our Lord one Thousand sixe hundred forty three and after the first meeting being at least of the number of forty shall from time to time sit and be removed from place to place and also that the said Assembly shall be dissolved in such manner as by both Houses of Parliament shall be directed And the said persons or so many of them as shall be so Assembled or sit shall have power and authority and are hereby likewise enjoyned from time to time during this present Parliament or untill further order be taken by both the said Houses to conferre and treat amongst themselves of such matters and things touching and concerning the Liturgy Discipline and Government of the Church of England or the vindicating and clearing of the doctrine of the same from all false aspertions and misconstructions as shall be proposed unto them by both or either of the said Houses of Parliament and no other and to deliver their opinions and advices of or touching the matters aforesaid as shall be most agreeable to the Word of God to both or either of the said Houses from time to time in such manner and sort as by both or either of the said Houses of Parliament shall be required and the same not to divulge by Printing writing or otherwise without the consent of both or either House of Parliament And be it further Ordained by the authority aforesaid that William Twiss Doctor in Divinity shall sit in the Chaire as Prolocutor of the said Assembly and if he happen to die or be letted by sicknesse or other necessary impediment then such other person to be appointed in his place as shall be agreed on by both the said Houses of Parliament And in case any difference of Opinion shall happen among the said persons so assembled touching any the matters that shall be proposed to them as aforesaid that then they shall represent the same together with the reasons thereof to both or either of the said Houses respectively to the end such further direction may be given therein as shall be requisite in that behalfe And be it further ordained by the authority aforesaid that for the charges and expences of the said Divines and every of them in attending the said service there shall be allowed unto every of them that shall so attend during the time of their said attendance and for ten dayes before and ten dayes after the summe of foure shillings for every day at the charges of the Common-wealth at such time and in such manner as by both Houses of Parliament shall be appointed And be it further Ordained that all and â—very the said Divines so as aforesaid required and enjoyned to meet and assemble shall be freed and acquitted of and from every offence forfeiture penalty losse or damage which shall or may arise or grow by reason of any non-residence or absence of them or any of them from his or their or any of their Church Churches or Cures for or in respect of their said attendance upon the said Service any Law or Statute of Non-residence or other Law or Statute enjoyning their attendance upon their respective Ministeries or Charges to the contrary thereof notwithstanding And if any of the persons before named shall happen to dye before the said Assembly shall be dissolved by Order of both Houses of Parliament then such other person or persons shall be nominated and placed in the roome and stead of such person and persons so dying as by both the said Houses shall be thought fit and agreed upon And every such person or persons so to be named shall have the like Power and Authority Freedome and acquittall to all intents and purposes and also all such wages and allowances for the said service during the time of his or their attendance as to any other of the said persons in this Ordiâ—ance is by this Ordinance limited and appointed Provided alwayes that this Ordinance
And therefore We desire Iustice against the Man that he may have exemplary punishment Their Answer 31. January TO the Paper delivered in by your Lordships this day concerning the Information received of severall Scandalous XXVIII passages Preached in a Sermon in Vxbridge Church by one Mr Love We doe returne this Answer That the said Mr Love is none of our Retinue nor came hither by any privity of ours That we conceive it most reasonable and agreeable to the businesse we are â—ow upon that all just occasions of offence on either part be avoyded And as it hath been our desire so it shall be our endeavour to take the best care we can to prevent all prejudices upon the present Treaty which may blast the blessed hopes thereof or may beget any iust offence and distrust in His Majestie and shall be as tender of the safety of your Lordships persons according to the safe Conduct as of our owne We shall represent your Lordships Paper concerning this businesse if your Lordships so desire unto the Lords and Commons assembled in the Parliament of England who will proceed therein according to Justice The King's Commissioners Reply 1. February VVE insist upon our former desire concerning the Sermon XXIX Preached by M. Love and must referre the way of doing Iustice to your Lordships and if your Lordships are not satisfied that such Words as we have charged him with were spoken by him we are ready to produce our proofe thereof to your Lordships Their further Answer 1. February VVE will represent both your Lordships papers concerning XXX M. Love unto the Lords and Commons assembled in the Parliament of England at Westminster who will proceed therein according to Justice In the next place according to the Order before mentioned do follow the passages and Papers concerning RELIGION Their Paper 31. Jan. ACcording to the * The Paper intended is that before of 30. Ian. no. 13. paper delivered by us to your Lordships XXXI yesternight we do now offer these Propositions following which concerne Religion That the Bill be passed for Abolishing and taking away of all Arch-Bishops Bishops c. according to the third Proposition That the Ordinances concerning the Calling and sitting of the The Propositions here intended are those before mentioned on theiâ— part sent by the E. of Denbigh and others to Oxford And the Bill for abolishing Episcopacy is in the Appendix no. 3. Assembly of Divines be confirmed by Act of Parliament That the Directory for Publique Worship already passed both houses of the Parliament of England And the Propositions concerning Church Governement hereunto annexed and passed both Houses be enacted as a part of Reformation of Religion and uniformity according to the fifth Proposition That His Majesty take the Solemne League and Covenant and that the Covenant be enjoyned to be taken according to the second Proposition To this was annexed the following Paper of the 31. January That the Ordinary way of dividing Christians into distinct Congregations and most expedient for edification is by the respective bounds of their dwellings That the Minister and other Church-officers in each particular Congregation shall joyne in the Government of the Church in such manner as shall be established by Parliament That many particular Congregations shall be under one Presbyteriall Government That the Church be Governed by Congregationall Classicall and Synodicall Assemblies in such manner as shall be established by Parliament That Synodicall Assemblies shall consist both of Provinciall and Nationall Assemblies The King's Commissioners Paper 1. February HAving considered your Lordships Paper containing the XXXII Propositions concerning Religion with the paper annexed and finding the same to contain absolute Alterations in the Government both of the Ecclesiasticall and Civile State We desire to know whether your Lordships have Power to Treat and debate upon the said Propositions and upon debate to recede from or consent to any alterations in the said Propositions if we shall make it appeare to be reasonable so to do or whether your Lordships are bound up by your Instructions to insist upon the Propositions without any alteration Their Answer 1. Feb. OVr Paper given in to your Lordships concerning Religion XXXIII doth contain no alterations but such as are usuall in a time of Reformation and by the Wisdome of the Parliaments of both Kingdoms are judged necessary at this time for setling Religion and Peace And as by our Commissions and Papers formerly shâ—wed your Lordships we have made known our Power to Treat upon them so are we ready by debate to shew how reasonable they are And that there will be no reason to expect that we should alter or recede from them But as for your demand of our shewing what farther power we have by our Instructions It is that we have no warrant to doe as we have already signified to your Lordships by a former Paper The KING's Commissioners Paper 1. Feb. YOur Lordships first Proposition in the Paper concerning XXXIV Religion referring to the third Proposition sent to His Majesty we find that referres to the Articles of the late Treaty of the daâ—e at Edinburgh 29. Nov. 1643. and to the joynt Declaration of both Kingdoms We desire your Lordships we may see those Articles and Declarations and your Lordships second Proposition in that paper referring to the Ordinances concerning the calling and sâ—ttiâ—g of the Assembly of Divines We desire to see those Ordinances Their Answer 1. Feb. ACcording to your Lordships desire in the * Meaning the next present Paper third Paper We XXXV now deliver in the Articles of the late Treaty of the date at Edinburgh 29 of November 1643. and the * This joynt Dâ—claration is already printed But the Articles being not Printed are in the Appendix n o 4. joynt Declaration of both Kingdoms And we shall speedily deliver to your Lordships the Ordinances concerning the calling and sitting of the Assembly of Divines The KING's Commissioners Paper 1. Feb. VVEE desire to know whether the Propositions which XXXVI we have received from your Lordships touching Religion be all we are to expect from you upon that Subject Their Answer 1. Feb. THere are other things touching Religion to be propounded XXXVII by us unto your Lordships upon the Propositions formerly sent unto His Maiesty from the Parliaments of both Kingdoms which we shall in due time give in unto your Lordships But we doe first desire your Answer to the Paper touching Religion given in yesterday that some good progresse may be made therein before the three daies assigned to treat upon Religion in the first place doe expire The KING's Commissioners Paper 1. Feb. VVEE desired to know whether the Propositions XXXVIII we formerly received from your Lordships concerning Religion were all that would be offered concerning that Subject because we thought it very necessary since so great alterations are proposed by you to have a full view of the whole
to doe as followeth 1. To preserve the Peace betwixt the Kingdoms and the King and every one of them 2. To prevent the violation of the Articles of Peace as aforesaid or any troubles arising in the Kingdoms by breach of the said Articles and to heare and determine all differences that may occasion the same according to the Treaty and to doe further according as they shall respectively receive instructions from both Houses of Parliament in England or the Estates of Parliament in Scotland And in the intervals of Parliaments from the Commissioners for the preservation of the publique Peace 3. To raise and joyne the Forces of both Kingdoms to resist all Forraigne Invasion and to suppresse any Forces raised within any of the Kingdoms to the disturbance of the publique Pence of the Kingdoms by any authority under the Great Seale or other warrant whatsoever without consent of both Houses of Parliament in England and the Estates of the Parliament in Scotland or the said Commissioners of that Kingdome whereof they are Subjects And that in those cases of joynt Concernâ—ment to both Kingdoms the Commissioners to be directed to be there all or such part as aforesaid to Act and direct as joynt Commissioners of both Kingdomes We desire that the Militia of the City of London may be in the Ordering and government of the Lord Major Aldermen and Commons in Common-Councell assembled or such as they shall from time to time appoynt whereof the Lord Major and Sheriffs for the time being to be three And that the Militia of the Parishes without London and the Liberties within the Weekly Bills of Mortality may be under the command of the Lord Major Aldermen and Commons in Common-Councell of the said City to be ordered in such manner as shall be agreed on and appoynted by both Houses of Parliament We desire that the Tower of London may be in the Government of the City of London and the chiefe Officer and Governour thereof from time to time be nominated and removeable by the Common-Councell And that the Citizens or Forces of London shall not be drawn out of the City into any other parts of the Kingdom without their own consent And that the drawing of their Forces into other parts of the Kingdom in these distracted times may not be drawn into example for the future After these Propositions made the King's Commissioners for their Information concerning these Propositions gave in severall Papers The King's Commissioners Paper 4. February WE conceive the Propositions delivered by your Lordships LXXIV concerning the Militia import very great alterations in the maine foundation of the Frame of Government of this Kingdome taking by expresse words or by necessary consequence the whole military and Civill power out of the Crown without any limitation in time or reparation proposed Therefore we desire to know for what terme you intend the Militia shall be setled in such manner as may be a reasonable and full security which we are ready and desirous to give to preserve the Peace now to be setled and to prevent all disturbances of the publique peace that may arise by occasion of the late Troubles For the better doing whereof we are ready by conference to satisfie your Lordships in any particulars Their Answer 4. Feb. OVr Paper given in to your Lordships concerning the Militia LXXV doth not containe the alterations mentioned in your Lordships Answer but desires that which by the wisdome of the Parliaments of both Kingdomes is judged necessary at this time for the security of His Majesties Kingdomes and preservation of the Peace now to be setled and untill your Lordships shall declare an assent unto the matter therein expressed we conceive it will not be seasonable to give any answer concerning the time And we are ready to conferre with your Lordships upon what shall be offered by you to our Paper concerning the Miâ—itia formerly delivered The King's Commissioners Reply 4. February WE are of opinion that the Propositions in your Lordships LXXVI Paper containe the Alterations mentioned in the paper we lately delivered to your Lordships and take by expresse words or necessary consequence the whole Military and Civill Power out of the Crowne which alterations we are ready to make appeare in debate And the alterations being so great we have reason to desire to know the limitation of time the consideration of which makes the Propositions more or lesse reasonable The King's Commissioners second Paper 4. February VVE desire to know who the Commissioners shall be in LXXVII whose hands the Forces by Sea and Land shall be entrusted And whether you intend His Majesty shall be obliged to consent to such Persons or whether He may except against them and name others in their places of knowne affection to Religion and Peace Their Answer 4. February THe Commissioners in whose hands the Forces by Sea and LXXVIII Land shall be entrusted are to be nominated for England by both the Houses of the Parliament of England and for Scotland by the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland as is expressed in our Paper formerly delivered to your Lordships concerning the Militia The King's Commissioners Reply 4. February WEE desire a full answer to our Paper concerning the Persons LXXIX to be entrusted with the Militia it being very necessary to know the persons before consent can be given to the matter and whether His Majesty may except against any such persons and nominate others in their roomes against whom there can be no just exception The King 's Commissioners 3d Paper 4. February VVE desire to know whether your Lordships intend that LXXX the Militia of the City of London shall be independent and not subordinate to those Commissioners in whose hands the Forces by Sea and Land shall be entrusted Their Answer 4. Febr. IT appeares by the Propositions concerning the Milisia of the LXXXI City of London that the same is to be ordered in such manner as shall be agreed on and appoynted by both Houses of Parliament The King's Commissioners Reply 4. February VVE desire an answer to our Paper concerning the Militia LXXXII of the City of London whether the same shall be subordinate to the Commissioners in whose hands the Forces by Sea and Land are to be intrusted your Lordships Answer that the same is to be ordered in such manner as shall be agreed on and appoynted by both Houses of Parliament which yet doth not appeare by the Propositions being no answer to the question The King's Commissioners Paper 5. February HAving with great diligence perused your Lordships Paper LXXXIII concerning the Militia and being very desirous to come to as speedy a conclusion in that Argument as we can We will be ready to morrow to give your Lordships our full Answer which we are confident will give your Lordships fatisfaction concerning the matter of the Militia of this Kingdome The King's Commissioners Paper in Answer to the Propositions concerning
desire expressed in your second Paper this CVI. day may be fully satisfied by the Propositions concerning the Militia where the authority of the Commissioners to be nominated is clearely expressed both in cases of severall and of joynt concernment of the Kingdoms And if upon perusall thereof any doubts shall occurre to your Lordships we are ready by conference to cleare the same The King's Commssioners Paper 15. Febr. VVE doe not conceive that the authority of the Commissioners CVII of both Kingdoms and in both Kingdoms is cleerely expressed in your Lordships Propositions and therefore we desire to be informed whether your Lordships intend that the Commissioners of Scotland shall have any power in the setling of all Forces by Sea and Land in this Kingdome and what authority they shall have Their Paper 15. Feb. WE doe conceive that the authority of the Commissioners of CVIII both Kingdomes and in both Kingdomes is clearly expressed in our Propositions By which it doth appeare how they are to act as severall or as joynt Commissioners And if your Lordships shall propound any objections against our Propositions concerning the Miliâ—ia of both Kingdomes we are ready upon conference to give your Lordships satisfaction The King's Commissioners Paper 15. February VVE desire to know whether in that part of the Proposition CIX wherein the Commissioners of both Kingdomes are appoynted to meet as a joynt Committee and to receive Instructions in the intervalls of Parliament from the Commissioners for the preservation of the publique Peace your Lordships meane the Commissioners to be nominated according to these Propositions or the * See the Printed Act. Commissioners intended by the Act of Pacification or what other Commissioners And what Iurisdiction you intend the said Commissioners of both Kingdomes shall have by the power given them to heare and determine all differences that may occasion the breach of the Articles of the Peace according to the Treaty and by what Law they shall proceed to heare and determine the same Their Answer 15. Feb. VVE intend that the Commissioners are to be nominated CX according to the Propositions and are to proceed in such manner as is therein expressed and if your Lordships shall make any obâ—â—ctions hereupon we are ready by Conference to give you satisfaction Their further Answer 15. Feb. FOr further answer to your Lordships second Paper we conceive CXI that the matter of the Jurisdiction to be exercised by the Commissioners is expressed in the Proposition and for the manner of exercising that Iurisdiction and by what Law they shall proceed to heare and determine the same are to be setled by the two Houses of the Parliament of England and the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland respectively The King's Commissioners Paper 15 Feb. WE desire to receive a perfect and full answer from your CXII Lordships to our * See no. 107 109 no. 105. first and second Papers delivered by us this morning to your Lordships and whether your Lordships intend that the Commissioners of Scotland shall have any power and authority in the setling of all Forces by Sea and Land in this Kingdom and what authority they shall have and whether the advice or orders of the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland shall have any influence upon the affaires of this Kingdome or the Commissioners to be named according to these Propositions otherwise then as the said advice or orders shall be approved and confirmed by the two Houses of Parliament of England and what Iurisdiction you intend the Commissioners shall have who are to determine all differences that may occasion the breach of the Articles of Peace and by what Law or rule they shall proceed trye and Iudge in the hearing determining the same And it is most necessary for us to desire satisfaction from your Lordships to these particulars in writing since the answer we shall give to your Lordships upon so much of your Propositions will very much depend upon our cleare understanding your Lorâ—ships in these particulars it being agreed between us that nothing shall be binding or taken as agreed upon but what shall be in writing on either part Their Answer 17. Feb. WE conceive there is a full answer already given by us in CXIII * See the papers intended no. 92 106. severall papers of the 14 of this instant to the former parts of your paper delivered in on the 15 day and to the latter part what Iurisdiction the Commissioners shall have who may determine all differences that shall be by breach of the Articles of Peace and by what Law and rule they shall proceed to heare and determine the same is clearely set down in our * No. 111. further answer of the 15 of this instant to your second paper delivered in to us the day before The King's Commissioners Answer thereunto 17. February VVE had great reason to desire a perfect and full answer CXIIII from your Lordships to our first and second Papers delivered by us to your Lordships on the 15 of Feb. and we desire your Lordships to consider how difficult a thing it is for us to give your Lordships a satisfactory answer to your propositions as they relate to either or both Kingdoms or to the power of the Commissioners of both Kingdoms as they are to be a joynt Committee to heare and determine all differences according to instructions from both Houses of Parliament of England or the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland before your Lordships are pleased to informe us whether you intend the Commissioners of Scotland shall have any power or authority in the setling all Forces by Sea and Land in this Kingdome and what authority they shall have and whether the advice instructions or orders of the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland shall have any influence upon the affaires of this Kingdom or the Commissioners to be named according to those Propositions otherwise then as the said advice instructions or orders shall be approved and confirmed by the two Houses of Parliament of England and what Iurisdiction you intend the Commissioners shall have who are to determine all differences that may occasion the breach of the Articles of the Peace and by what Law or rule they shall proceed try and Iudge in the hearing and determining the same In all which particulars we are very sory that we can receive no answers from your Lordships for want whereof we may faile in giving your Lordships so satisfactory answers to your Propositions as otherwise we might be enabled to do Their Reply 17. Febr. IT is clearly expressed in our Propositions delivered to your CXV Lordships that all Forces by Sea and Land in this Kingdome are to be setled by the two Houses of the Parliament of England and in the Kingdom of Scotland by the Estates of the Parliament there and we conceive that the advice instrustions or orders of either Kingdome are to
have no influence upon the affaires of the other but such as is and shall be mutually agreed upon by the two Houses of the Parliament of England and the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland And for the Jurisdiction of the Commissioners and by what Law or rule they shall proceed we have given your Lordships a full and cleare answer thereunto in our 5 * See before no. 111. paper of the 15 of February The King's Commissioners Paper 17. February IN the 12th Proposition your Lordships desire an Act to be CXVI passed for confirmation of the late Treaty for the setling of the Garrison of Berwick of the 29 of Novemb. 1643. which relating to the businesse of the Militia we hold it necessary to see before we can make our full answer upon the whole and desire it accordingly of your Lordships Their Answer 17. Feb. AS for what concernes the Act for Confirmation of the late CXVII Treaty and for setling the Garrison of Berwick It is not now to be Treated upon but is reserved to its proper time The King's Commissioners Paper 17. February VVE desire to know whether by the joynt power mentioned CXVIII in your Lordships Propositions to be given to the Commissioners for both Kingdomes to preserve the Peace between the Kingdomes and the King and every one of them your Lordships doe intend any other then Military power for suppressing Forces oâ—ely which is expressed after in a distinct clause by it selfe And if your Lordships doe intend any further power that your Lordships would declare the same in certainty and particular Their Answer 17. Feb. VVE conceive the power of the Commissioners mentioned CXIX in the 17th Proposition is there fully expressed to preserve the Peace betwixt the Kingdomes to prevent the violation of it or any troubles arising in the Kingdoms by breach of the Articles and to heare and determine all differences which may occasion the same according to the Treaty and to raise Forces to resist Forreigne Invasion and suppresse intestine Insurrections as is more at large set downe in the Proposition to which we referre your Lordships The King's Commissioners Paper 17. February VVE desire to know whether the Commissioners of CXX both Kingdomes meeting as a joynt Committee The Commissioners of each Kingdome shall have a Negative voyce so as nothing can be done without their joynt consent in matters of joynt concernment And how and by whom it shall be decided what are cases of joynt concernment to both Kingdomes Their Answer 17. Feb. IN all matters of joynt concernment the Commissioners of both CXXI Kingdomes are to Act joyntly And when they shall meet as a joynt Committee upon such matters of joynt concernment the Commissioners of each Kingdome are to have a Negative voyce And in doubtfull cases not expressed in the 17th Proposition to be of joynt concernment where the Commissioners cannot agree whether or no they be of joynt concernment they are to represent them to the two Houses of Parliament of England and the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland respectively to be by them determined if they be sitting and in the intervalls of Parliament if the cases be such as cannot without prejudice to both or either Kingdome admit of delay we conceive the Commissioners of each Kingdome are to Act severally and to be accomptable for it to the two Houses of Parliament of England and the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland respectively at their next sitting The King's Commissioners Paper 17. February WE desire to know whether by the Propositions for setling CXXII the Forces in Commissioners to be nominated by both Houses of Parliament such as both Kingdomes may confide in your Lordships do intend That the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland shall approve or except against the Commissioners to be nominated for the Kingdome of England both at present and from time to time as the Commissioners shall dye or be removed or altered Their Answer 17. Feb. VVE conceive it to be plaine by the Proposition it selfe that CXXIII the Commissioners of both Kingdomes are respectively to be nominated by the Parliaments of either Kingdome and neither Parliament hath power to except against or approve the persons chosen by the other and we are confident there will be no cause of exception but who are chosen by either will be such as both may confide in The King's Commissioners Paper 14. February WE desire to know whether your Lordships intend by CXXIV Tâ—â— Admiralâ—y is an of fice of Inheritance in Scotland and setled by Act of Parilament your proposition concerning the setling of the Admiralty of Scotland by Act of Parliament to alter the inheritance of any person which is already setled by the Lawes of that Kingdom Their Answer thereunto 15. Feb. TO your Lordships fourth Paper of the 14 of Feb. it is answered CXXV that by our Propositions for setling the Admiralty of Scotland by Act of Parliament it is intended that the Admiralty and Forces at Sea c. shall be setled in such manner as the Estates of Parliament there shall think fittest for the safety and security of that Kingdom And as touching the inheritance of any person which is already setled by the Lawes of that Kingdom the Estates of Parliament will do that which is agreeable to Iustice The King's Commissioners Paper 15. Febr. VVE desire to know whether the Papers delivered to us CXXVI touching the Militia containe all your Lordships Propositions touching the Militia of England and Scotland and if they do not that your Lordships will deliver the rest that we may make our answers upon the whole Their Answer 15. Feb. VVHatsoever is contained in the Propositions concerning the CXXVII Militia of England and Scotland is delivered in to your Lordships except the 23 Proposition and the last Article in the 26 Proposition which are reserved for their proper place After all these passages the King's Commissioners delivered in this Paper in further answer to their Propositions concerning the Militia 17. February VVE had no purpose in our * No. 84. answer delivered by us to CXXVIII your Lordships on the 6th day of February to divide our answers concerning the Militia of the two Kingdoms otherwise then in poynt of time and till we might receive satisfaction from your Lordships concerning the powers to be given to the Commissionâ—rs of both Kingdoms and the other particulars mentioned in our Papers since delivered to your Lordships wherein we are not as yet satisfied by any Papers delivered by your Lordships to us Our further answer to those Propositions concerning the Militia is that we are willing and doe agree That the like course shall be taken and observed touching the Militia of the Kingdome of Scotland as is offered in our said paper of the 6th of February and as shall be hereafter agreed on for the Kingdome of England which we conceive to be a full security for
security the reasons are the same for them as for the Militia by Land And for what your Lordships alleadge concerning Sheriffes and Justices of Peace and other legall Ministers not to raise the Posse Comitatus or Forces to suppresse Riots without being liable to the interpretation of the Commissioners we say this is no part of the Militia to be exercised by the Commissioners but in executing of Justice and legall Processe nor can be intended to be any disturbance but for the preservation of the Peace Nor can their power of hearing and determining Civill Actions and differences be extended further then preservation of the Articles of the Peace to be made and as is clearly and plainly exprest in the 27th Proposition And whereas we seek the Militia to be setled in the 15th Proposition and the other parts of our Propositions in order to and for procuring of a Peace and which are necessary to a present Vnion your Lordships deferre them untill the Peace shall be established which delay we hope upon second thoughts your Lordships will not judge to be reasonable And when your Lordships doe take into serious consideration the great Calamities and how occasioned to say no more you cannot thinke but that we ought to be most carefull of preventing the like for the future And seeing all we desire for these so important ends is limited to a few yeares we ought to insist upon such a remedy as may be a fitting cure and in so doing we hope we shall be justified before God and Man Wherefore we againe most earnestly desire your Lordships as you tender the deplorable Estates of these bleeding Kingdomes the setling of Religion the Honour of His Majesty and the composing these miserable Distractions that your Lordships will give your full and cleare Answer to our Demands concerning the Militia This last Paper was delivered about two of the clock when the Treaty was at that instant breaking up and at the same time the King's Commissioners had upon the like occasion of two Papers of theirs given in a little before concerning Ireland hereafter mentioned delivered in a Paper No. 179. that they might give answer thereto the next day dated as of that day as had been formerly used which was not granted so that in Answer to this Paper so earnesty requiring an Answer in the Close thereof It was impossible to give in any Paper at the present neither would any be received but at present The Papers touching Ireland After the first six dayes of the Treaty spent upon Religion and the Militia according to the same order formerly proposed the Propositions concerning Ireland were â—ext Treated upon the three dayes followiâ—g beginning the 7th of February and the same was also taken up againe the 18th of February for other three dayes Their Propositionâ— touching Ireland 7. February WE desire that an Act of Parliament be passed to make CXXXVI void the Cessation of Ireland and all Treaties with the Rebells without consent of both Houses of Parliament and to settle the prosecution of the War of Ireland in both Houses of the Parliament of England to be managed by the joynt advice of both Kingdoms and His Maiestie to assist and to doe no act to discountenance or molest them therein The King's Commissioners Paper 7. February WE desire to know whether the Paper we have received CXXXVII from your Lordships containe in it all the demands your Lordships are required by your Instructions to insist upon concerning Ireland which if it doth we are ready to enter upon that debate but if it do not we then desire to receive all the Propositions your Lordships intend to make concerning Ireland together being confident that upon a whole view of the busines we shall give you full satisfaction in that Argument Their Paper 7. Feb. WE are to insist upon other things concerning Ireland which CXXXVIII being part of other Propositions we conceive not so proper to give your Lordships till we have received your answer to our paper formerly delivered and are ready by present conference to satisfie any doubts that remain with your Lordships concerning that paper Notwithstanding they delivered in these further papers and Propositions following Their Paper 7. Feb. VVE desire that an Act be passed in the Parliament of both CXXXIX Kingdoms respectively to confirme the Treaty concerning Ireland of the 6th of August 1642. which Treaty we herewith deliver and that all Persons who have had any hand in plotting designing or assisting the Rebellion of Ireland may expect no pardon and their estates to pay publike debts and damages And that the Commissioners to be nominated as is appointed in the 17 Proposition may order the War of Ireland according to the Ordinance of the 11th of April 1644. which we herewith deliver and to order the Militia and to conserve the Peace of the Kingdom of Ireland And that by Act of Parliament the Deputy or cheife Governour or other Governours of Ireland be nominated by both Houses of the Parliament of England or in the intervalls of Parliament by the said Commissioners to continue during the pleasure of the said Houses or in the intervalls of Parliament during the pleasure of the said Commissioners to be approved or disallowed by both Houses at their next Sitting And that the Iudges of both Benches and of the Exchequer in Ireland be nominated by both Houses of Parliament to continue Quà m diu bene se gesserint and in the intervalls of Parliament by the aforesaid Commissioners to be approved or disallowed by both Houses at their next sitting Together with these last Propositions they delivered the Treaty of the sixt of August 1644 and the Ordinance of the 11th of April therein mentioned together with another of the 9th of March which see in the Appendix n o 7. and 8. The King's Commissioners Paper 9. February VVE desire to know what your Lordships intend or expect CXL by those words in your * No. 136. first paper concerning Ireland and His Maiesty to assist since you propose to have the prosecution of the War of Ireland to be setled in both Houses of the Parliament of England to be managed by the joynt advice of both Kingdoms Their Answer 9. Feb. BY the words in our paper concerning Ireland and His Majesty CXLI to assist we conceive is to be understood the giving of His Royall assent to such Acts of Parliament as shall be presented unto Him by both Houses for raising of monyes from the Subiect and for other things necessary to the prosecution of the War in Ireland and to be further ayding by His Power and countenance in whatsoever shall be requisite for the better carrying on of that War The King's Commissioners Paper 10. Febr. VVE conceive that His Majestie had and hath power to CXLII make a Cessation in Ireland and having upon just grounds and for the good and safety of His Protestant Subjects there and for the preservation of
that whole Kingdom consented to such a Cessation we desire to be informed by your Lordships how that Cessation can be declared voyd without a breach of Faith and honour in His Majestie and we are ready by conference particularly to inform your Lordships of the motives which induced His Majestie to consent to that Cessation Their Answer 10. Feb. VVE conceive that His Maiestie had not power to make the CXLIII Cessation in Ireland nor had any iust grounds to doe the same and therefore we insist as in our former paper That an Act of Parliament be passed to make voy'd the Cessation of Ireland and conceive that His Maiestie is bound in honour and iustice to consent unto the same and we are ready to conferre with your Lordships as is desired and to receive your Lordships full answer to this the other particulars expressed in our paper concerning Ireland After long debates in conference which spent the greatest part of the day touching the motives of that Cessation and the King's power to make it His Majesties Commissioners delivered in this paper 10. Febr. WE have received no satisfaction or information in your CXLIV Lordships debate to alter our opinionâ— of His Majesties power to make the Cessation in Ireland and having carefully produced and considered the Statute alleadged by your Lordships we cannot find any particular clause in that Statute neither have your Lordships mentioned any though often desired by us so to do whereby His Majesties power to make a Cessation there is taken away and therefore we are still of opinion that His Majesty had full power to make and consent to that Cessation and we conceive that we have given your Lordships an account of very just grounds to induce His Majestie to do the same it appearing to His Maiestie by the Letters and advice from the Lords Iustices and Councell of that Kingdom and of the Officers of His Maiesties Army there which we have read to your Lordships and of which Letters and advices we now give * Copies of the Letters and advices were accordingly delivered Copies to your Lordships that His Maiesties good Protestant Subiects of that Kingdom were in imminent danger to be Over-runne by the Rebels and His Army to be disbanded for want of necessary supplies and that there was no such probable way for their preservation as by making a Cessation neither have your Lordships given us any satisfying reasons against the making the said Cessation or made it appeare to us that that Kingdom could have bin preserved without a Cessation and therefore we cannot apprehend how His Maiesty can with Iustice and honour declare the same to be voyd We shall be ready against the next time assigned for the Treaty touching Ireland to give your Lordships a further answer to your Propositions concerning that Argument the Treaty concerning Ireland of the 6th of August 1642. and the Ordinance of the 11th of April 1644. which we did never see till your Lordships delivered us Copies of them making so great an alteration in the Government there that we cannot be prepared for the present to make a full answer to those Propositions Their Answer 10. Feb. IT is very contrary to our expectation to find your Lordships unsatisfied CXLV after those Arguments and Reasons alleadged by us that His Maiestie had not power to make the Cessation with the Rebels in Ireland and that upon the perusall of the Statute it appeares not to you that His Maiestie had no power to make that Cessation it is strange to us your Lordships should forget all the other Arguments used by us from the Common-Law from other proceedings in Parliament and circumstances as this case stands on which we still insist and do affirme that His Maiestie had no power to make or consent to that Cessation we do not see any iust grounds in the Copies of the Letters given us by your Lordships for His Maiesties assenting to the Cessation nor do we know by whom those Letters were written we are therefore still clearely of Opinion notwithstanding all your Lordships have alleadged that it was unfit for His Maiestie to agree unto that Cessation being destructive to His good Subiects and to the Protestant Religion there and only for the advantage of the Popish Rebels to the high dishonour of God the Disservice of His Maiestie and evident preiudice of His three Kingdoms We therefore again desire your Lordships full answer to what we have delivered to you concerning Ireland The King's Commissioners Paper 10. February WE have given your Lordships our reasons why we are CXLVI not satisfied with your Arguments that His Majesty had not power to make the Cessation and as upon the perusall of the Statute we can find no ground for that Opinion so your Lordships in your whole debate have not insisted or mentioned one Clause in that Statute though often desired which makes See the lâ—te Statute concerning the Adventurers for Irâ—sh Lands it good neither have your Lordships given us any Argument from the Common-Law other then by telling us That it is against the Common-Law because the private Interest of the Subscribers for Money was concerned in it to which we give this Answer That their Interest was Conditionall upon payment of their Moneys for the maintenance of the Warre which was not performed And that if they had paid their Moneys yet this Cessation was rather for the advance of that Interest there being as it appeares by the * See the Letters and advices in the Appendix no. 9. Papers no other visible meanes of preservation of the Army in Ireland and that the Statute which gave that private Interest doth not take away the Kings Power of making a Cessation and we conceive that Argument of Interest was waved But it your Lordships shall insist upon it we againe desire as we did formerly That a Case may be made of it and that the debate may be againe resumed Neither doe we know that any Argument was used by your Lordships from the proceedings in Parliament And if you shall give any we shall be ready to Answer it And we conceive that the advice given to His Majesty from the Lords Iustices and Councell of Ireland and the Testimony of the Officers of the Army expressing the miserable condition of that Kingdome and inability to beare the Warre should appeare to your Lordships to be just grounds for His Majesties assenting to the Cessation One of the Letters delivered by us to your Lordships bearing date the fourth of April 1643. was sent by the Lords Iustices and Councell of Ireland to Mr Secretary Nicholas in which was inclosed their Letter to the Speaker of the House of Commons of which your Lordships have likewise an Extract and a Remonstrance of the Officers of the Army to the Lords Iustices and Councell there and the other Letter of the fifth of May 1643. to His Majesty was from the Lords Iustices and Councell of that
Kingdome All which if your Lordships please shall be examined by you with the Originalls And we are therefore of opinion that our Answer formerly delivered is a good Answer to the point of Cessation in question And that it was not unfit for His Maiesty to agree to that Cessation nor destructive to the Protestant Religion nor for the advantage of the Popish Rebells but much for the advantage of the Protestant Subjects there who were in apparent hazard of destruction by Force and Famine occasioned by the want of Supplies which had been promised to them as we have formerly said And we shall give yout Lordships a further Answer to your other Propositions concerning Ireland when the time comes againe for that Debate Here ended the first three dayes of the Treaty concerning Ireland and the night before the return of the next three dayes their Commissioners delivered this Paper 17. February VVE conceived that the Arguments used by us that His CXLVII Maiesty neither had or hath power to make the Cessation with the Rebells of Ireland might have fully satisfied your Lordships and if any doubts yetremaine we are ready by Conference to cleare them Your Lordships may well call to minde the severall Clauses we insisted upon in the Statute and the Arguments we have given from the Common-Law and other proceedings in Parliament And we doe affirme that severall great Summes of Money were paid by particular Persons and by Corporations who according to the true intent of the Statute ought to have the benefit of the same according to divers other Acts of Parliament in pursuance thereof and upon failer of payment by any particular Persons the forfeiture was to accrew to the Common benefit of the rest not failing And we doe deny that the Argument of Interest was at all waved by us And we conceive those wants alleadged by your Lordships if any such were in iustifying the Cessation were supplied from time to time by the Houses of Parliament untill His Maiesties Forces were so Quartered in and about the common Roades to Ireland that Provisions going thither were intercepted and neither Money Clothes Victualls or other things could passe by Land with safety to be transported And when that both Houses of Parliament were desirous further to supply those Wants and for that purpose did tender a Bill to His Majesty It was refused And we still alleadge that we have no reason to be satisfied concerning the Cessation by any Arguments used by your Lordships or by any thing contained in the Extracts of the Letters and Papers delivered to us by your Lordships as from the Lords Justices and Councell of Ireland and the Officers of the Army nor though desired by us have your Lordships afforded us Liberty to compare those Extracts with the Originalls whereby we might have the names of the Persons by whom they were written which we now againe desire We are therefore still clearly of Opinion as is expressed in our former Paper of the 10th of February concerning the Cessation and doe desire your Lordships full Answer to our Demands concerning Ireland The King's Commissioners Answer 18. February VVE did not conceive that your Lordships had beleeved CXLVIII that any Arguments used by you could satisfie us against His Majesties Power to make a Cessation with the Rebellâ— in Ireland which appeares to have been made by Him by the Advice of his Councell there and for the preservation of His Majesties Protestant Subjects of that Kingdome who in all probability would have perished by Famine and the Sword if that Cessation had not been made And we shall be very ready to receive farther Information from your Lordships by Conference or otherwise in that particular either concerning any Clauses in the Statute or Arguments at Common-Law or proceedings of Parliament your Lordships having never mentioned the one or made any Case upon the other upon which you intend to insist And for the severall great Summes of Money that were paid by particular Persons and Corporations upon that Statute mentioned by your Lordships we are sorry that we are compelled by your Lordships insisting thereon to informe your Lordships that His Majesty had cleare information that not only much of the money raised by the Act for the 400 thousand pound which was passed for the better suppressing that most wicked and execrable Rebellion in Ireland and for the payment of the debts of this Kingdom but also of the Mony raised by the Statute on which your Lordships insist for the speedy and effectuall reducing of the Rebels of Ireland c. and other moneys raised by Contribution and Loane for the reliefe of His Majesties distressed Subjects of that Kingdom were expended contrary to the intent of the Acts by which the same were levied and of the Persons who lent and contributed the same towards the maintenance of the Forces in this Kingdom under the Command of the Earle of Essex And that many Regiments of Horse and Foot leavied for the Warre of Ireland under the command of the Lord Wharton the Lord Kerry Sir Faithfull Fortescue and others were likewise imployed in that Army under the Earle of Essex at Edge-Hill and therefore His Majesty refused to consent to the Bill presented to His Majesty after this for the Levying more mony for Ireland justly fearing that the same might be used as the former had been And for the few cloathes for there were no Moneys intercepted by His Majesties Souldiers in His Maiesties Quarters which are said to be intended for Ireland the same were intercepted neere Coventrey and going thither after that City had refused to receive His Maiesty though at the Gates But His Maiesty never refused to give any safe Passe through His Quarters for any Goods or Provisions which were intended or prepared for Ireland neither was the same ever desired For the extracts and Copies of the Letters delivered by us to your Lordships from the Lords Iustices and Councell of Ireland and the Officers of the Army We have been and are willing that your Lordships should compare them with the Originalls But for your having the names of the Persons who writ the same since there can be no doubt of the truth of our Assertions we conceive it not reasonable to desire the same not knowing what inconvenience any of them since you seem not to like that advice might incurre if at any time they should be found within your Quarters And having now satisfied your Lordships in the Matter of the Cessation we shall gladly proceed in the Treaty with your Lordships upon any thing that may be apparently good for His Maiesties Protestant Subiects there and the resetling of that Kingdom in His Maiesties Obedience Their Reply 18. Feb. WE doe conceive that the Arguments used by us might CXLIX have fully satisfied your Lordships against His Majesties power to make a Cessation with the Rebells in Ireland having answered whatsoever your Lordships have hitherto alleadged to the contrary and
Lievtenant of Ireland or Gâ—nerall of the Forces there hath to that purpose we do not know and therefore cannot inform your Lordships And as to the other particulars in that paper we do * The two Papers following no. 171 172. were delivered in before this Paper and the reference is to them and others formerly delivered on that subject refer our selves to the answers formerly given in to your Lordships demands touching that subject with this that we do conceive it to be most clear that His Majesty is in no wise restrained by expresse words or by the meaning of any Act made this Parliament from making a Peace or a Cessation in Ireland without the consent of the two Houses Their Paper 19. Feb. THere being but 3 dayes left to Treat upon the Propositions CLXIX for Religion the Militia and for Ireland and for that your Lordships have given no satisfactory answers to our dâ—mands concerning them we therefore now desire to confer with your Lordships how to dispose of the 3 dayes yet remaining that we may receive your Lordships full and clear answers thereunto The King's Commissioners Answer 19. February WE see no cause why your Lordships should think our CLXX Answers upon the Propositions for Religion and the Militia were not satisfactory And for that of Ireland we have received many Papers from your Lordships concerning that businesse besides the Propositions themselves to all which we doubt not to give a full and cleare Answer to your Lordships to morrow being the time assigned and the last day of the Treaty upon that subject * See the Paper 20. Feb. no. 192. touching His Majesties returne to Westminster After we shall be ready to conferre with your Lordships of disposing the remainder of the time Accordingly after the before mentioned Demands and Answer thereunto of the 19th of February the King's Commissioners in Answer to theirs of the 18th of February No. 149. delivered in this Paper 20. February VVE have already told your Lordships how farre we CLXXI. are from being satisfied by what you have alleadged against His Majesties Power to make a Cessation with the Rebells in Ireland neither have your Lordships in any degree answered the important reasons which induced His Majesty so to doe it being very evident that by the Cessation there His Majesties Protestant Subjects have been preserved and subsisted which without it they could not have done the two Houses forbearing to send any reliefe or supply to them and His Majesty not being able And we desire your Lordships to consider how impossible it was whilest the Warre continued in England with such fiercenesse and animosity by Armes to reduce the Kingdom of Ireland to His Majesties Obedience and therefore His Majesty had great reason to preserve that by a Cessation which He could not reduce by a Warre And we are most confident that the necessities which are not offered as excuses for but were the reall grounds of the Cessation were very visible to all those in that Kingdome whose advices His Maiesty ought in reason to follow and whose interests were most concerned and would not have given such advice if any â—ther way could have been found out to preserve them And we have been credibâ—y iâ—formed that the Committee sent into Ireland which His Maiesty never understood to be sent thither to supply the necessities but to observe the Actions of His Maiesties Ministers there having in their â—ourney thither signed Warrants in their owne names to apprehend the Persons of Pecres of this Realme and Persons of His Maiesties Privy Councell were never discountenanced there for His Maiesties directions that Persons who were not of His Privy Councell there should not be present at those Councells cannot be interpreted a discountenance to them in any thing they ought to doe And we are most assured that His Maiesty sent no Message or Letter to divert the course of the Officers Subscribing for Land in satisfaction of their Arreares but the Souldiers were meerly discouraged from the same by discerning that for want of Supplies they should not be able to goe on with that Warre And we doe assure your Lordships that His Majesty doth not beleeve that the Summes of Money raised for Ireland which your Lordships doe admit to have been made use of by both Houses of Parliament otherwise then was appointed are yet satisfied in any proportion the greatest part of the Money raised upon the Bill for 400000l and of the Moneys raised upon the charitable Collections as well as the Adventurers Moneys being imployed upon the Warre here And if the same were since satisfied it doth no wayes excuse the diverting of them when in the meane time that Kingdome suffered by that divertion And that the feare that other moneys so raised might likewise be misimployed was a great reason amoâ—gst others that made His Majesty not consent to that Bill mentioned by your Lordships And for the Regiments of Horse and Foot which your Lordships in your Paper of the 18th of this month say were designed for Ireland though they were imployed otherwise because a Commission could not be obtained for the Lord Wharton who was to Command those Forces It is well knowne that those Forces were raised before His Majesties Commission was so much as desired and then the Commission that was desired should have been independent upon His Majesties Lievrenant of that Kingdome and therefore His Maiesty had great reason not to consent to such a Commission and so the damages of keeping those six Pinnaces and the 1000 Land Forces if any such were proceeded not from any default of His Majesty And for the Provisions seized by His Maiesties Forces it is notorious that they were seized in the way to and neare Coventrey and that it was not made knowne to His Majesty that the same were for Ireland till after the seizure thereof when it was impossible to recover the same from the Souldiers who had taken them Whereas if a safe Conduct had been desired by His Majesty as it ought to have been the same being to passe through his Quarters there would have been no Violence or Interruption offered For the giving the Names of the Persons who subscribed the Letters delivered to your Lordships the Originalls of which have been shewed to you by us We have given your Lordships a full and reasonable Answer and if your Lordships will assure us that the giving their names to you shall be no prejudice to the Persons who did subscribe if at any time any of them shall be found within your Quarters we will forthwith deliver their names to you otherwise we conceive your Lordships cannot but give credit to that We have said and shewed to you all which we hope hath clearly satisfied your Lordships that the Cessation with the Rebels was neither unjust or unlawfull and that you will proceed to satisfie us by what meanes the Warre may be managed in Ireland with probable hope of the
of the Scottish Foot and shall receive and obey the Orders and Instructions of the Commanders of the Scottish Army And that there shall be presently advanced the summe of twelve Hundred Pounds sterling for the Levying of a Troop of one hundred Horsemen in Scotland besides the Officers to be a Guard to the Generall of the Scottish Army Fifthly It is agreed That the Commanders and Souldiers of the Scottish Army shall have such Pay respectively as the Commanders and Souldiers of the English Army have according to a List presently agreed upon by the Commissioners of both Kingdomes As also that the Officers of that Army shall have such allowance for their Waggons as is contained in the said List Sixtly It is agreed That the Townes and Castle of Carickfergus and Colrayne shall be put into the hands of the Scottish Army to be places for their Magazines and Garrisons and to serve them for Retreat upon occasion And that the Magistrates and Inhabitants thereof shall be ordeyned to carry themselves to the Commanders of the said Army as is fitting and ordinary in such Cases And that the said Townes and Castle shall remain in the Scots hands untill the Warre shall end or that they shall be discharged of that service Like as the Commissioners for the Kingdom of Scotland do promise in the Puâ—lique Faith of that Kingdom to redeliver the said Townes and Castle to any having Commission from the King and Parliament of England as also the Commissioners for the Kingdom of England do promise in the name and on the Publique Faith of that Kingdom That Payment shall be made to the Kingdom of Scotland and their Army of all dues that shall arise upon this present Treaty and that when the Scottish Army imployed in the service of Ireland shall be discharged they shall be disbanded by Regiments and no lesser proportions and so may of them payed off as shall be disbanded and the residue kept in pay till they be disbanded Seventhly It is agreed that the Townes of Charickfergus and Colrayne shall by the Kingdom of England be with all expedition provided with Victualls necessary for Souldiers either in Garrisons or expeditions according to a List to be agreed on and Subscribed by the Commissioners of both Kingdoms And that such quantities thereof as the Scottish Army shall have occasion to use shall be sold unto them and bought by them at the severall Prices contained in the aforesaid List And also that the said Townes of Carickfergus and Colrayne shall be provided by the Kingdom of England with Powder Ball Match and other Ammunition for the service of the said Army conforme to the particular List to be condescended unto by both Commissioners and that Carts and Waggons shall be provided by the Kingdom of England for carrying of Ammunition for the use of the said Army in Marches As also that there shall be Gun-Smiths Carpenters and one or two Engineers appoynted to attend the Army and that hand Mils shall be provided to serve the Companies in Marches Eightly It is agreed that the Kingdom of England shall deposite two Thousand Pounds English money in the hands of any to be appoynted by the Scottish Commissioners to be disbursed upon accompt by warrant of the Generall of their Army upon Fortifications Intelligences and other Incidents so that there be not above the summe of two Thousand pounds in a yeare Imprested upon these occasions without particular and speciall warrant from the Parliament of England As also that there shall be deposited two Thousand and five hundred pounds English to be disbursed upon Accompt for the providing of a thousand Horses for the Carriage of the Artillery the Baggage and Victuall of their Army and for Dragooners upon occasion And likewise that the Scottish Army during the time of the Warre shall have power to take up such Horses in the Country as be necessary for the uses aforesaid Ninth It is agreed that the Inhabitants of the Townes and Villages in the Province of Vlster and in any other Province of Irâ—land where the Scottish Army shall be by it selfe for the time shall receive Orders from the Scottish Commanders And shall bring in Victualls for Money in an orderly way as shall be directed by them with Provision of Oates Hay and Strawe and such other Necessaries And that the Country People shall Rise and Concurre with the Scottish Troops when the Commanders thereof shall find it for the good of the Service and shall receive Orders and Directions from the said Commanders of the Scottish Army Tenth It is agreed that the said ten thousand men to be sent out of the Kingdom of Scotland shall goe in the way and order of an Army under their own Generall and Subalterne Officers And the Province of Vlster is appointed unto them wherein they shall first prosecute the Warre as in their Judgment they shall think most expedient for the honour of the King and Crowne of England And that the Commanders of the said Army shall have power to give Conditions to Townes Castles and Persons which shall render and submit themselves as shall be most expedient for the service according to the course of Warre Provided no Toleration of the Popish Religion be granted nor any condition made touching or concerning any of the Rebels Lands and that the Commanders â—f the Scottish Army shall be answerable for their whole deportment and proceedings to His Majesty and the two Houses of the Parliament of England only but shall from time to time give an accompt thereof to His Majesty the two Houses of the Parliament of England and to the Cheife Governour or Governours of Ireland for the time being that such Townes and Places as shall be recovered from the Rebels by the Scottish Army shall be at the disposing of the Commanders thereof during their aboade for that service in those parts where such Townes and Places are And if it shall be found for the good of the service that the Scottish Army shall joyne with the Kings Lievtenant of Ireland and his Army in that case the Generall of the Scottish Army shall only cede to the Kings Lievtenant of Ireland and receive in a free and honourable way Instructions from him or in his absence from the Lord Deputy or any other who shall have the Cheife Government of that Kingdome for the time by authority derived from the Crowne of England and shall precede all others and that he only shall give Orders to the Officers of his own Army And that the Armies shall have the right lefthand Vand and Reare Charge and Retreat successively and shall not mixe in Quarterings nor Marchings and when it shall be found fit to send Troopes out of either Army that the Persons to be sent out of the Scottish Army shall be Commanded out by their own Generall the Lievtenant of Ireland prescribing the number which shall not exceed the fourth part of the whole Foote of the Scottish Army nor of the
HAving received an account of the passages of the late Treaty from our Commissioners We caused a Narrative thereof to be made and published wherein besides the necessary connexions there is nothing set down but what paâ—â—ed in writing But because their last Paper upon the subject of the Militia and two last Papers concerning Ireland were delivered upon the close of that Treaty although We conceive the answers given in the papers formerly delivered by Our Commissioners are abundantly sufficient to give satisfaction to those also Yet because there may be a want of memory in some and of observation in others who shall read that Narrative to bring home and apply the former answers of Our Commissioners to those papers and because they seeme to expect answers which the Treaty being determined cannot be given by Our Commissioners and to vindicate Our Selfe from many passages scattered in those papers particularly reflecting upon Our Person and Royall Authority We have thought fit for the the further satisfaction of all Our good People to make these ensuing answers And first to that * See it in the Narrative no. 136. Paper concerning the Militia WHoseover shall observe the passionate expressions in the close of this Paper wherein they do most earnestly desire Our Commissioners as they tender the deplorable Estate of these bleeding Kingdomes the setling Religion Our Honour and the composing these miserable distractions to give full and cleare answers to the demands concerning the Militia might very well believe that they who so importunately demanded would as willingly have received an answer But when it shall be considered that this pâ—per was not delivered in till after two of the clock in the morning upon the breaking off the Treaty when â—hey had denyed any furthâ—r time to treat or to receive any papers dated as within the time of the Treaty as formerly was mutually done and this very paper of theirs delivered in truth upon the 23 was received as dated the 22 of February it will be most apparent they kept it as a Reserve to be purposely by designe delivered so as it should remaine unanswered For the matter of that paper They say they have by their answers satisfied the severall questions proposed to them by Our Commissioners touching the Militia It was necessary they should have done so that it being proposed to Vs to part with so great a trust as the power of the Sword and to put it wholly out of Our own hands we might know how and to whom and for what time and upon what termes We parted with it But We will look back upon some of their answers that it may appeare what they are Our Commissioners desired to know who the Commissioners should be in whose hands the Forces both by Sea and Land See the Narrative no. 77. should be entrusted and whether we might except against such persons and name others in their places of knowne affections to Religion and Peace To that part of the question whether we might except against the Persons they made no answer To the other part requiring who the Commissioners should be they answered That the Commissioners were to be named for No. 78. England by the two Houses and for Scotland by the Estates of the Parliament there whereas the question was not who should name those Commissioners but who they were that should be named a thing most necessary for us to know before we entrusted them with so great a power Our Commissioners desired to know whether the Militia No. 80. of London should be independent and not subordinate to those Commissioners They answered It appeared by the Propositions No. 8â— the same was to be ordered in such manner as should be agreed on by both Houses Which was no answer to the question though likewise necessary to be knowne the Militia of London being so great and of such importance Our Commissioners desired to know what Authority the No. 105 107. Commissioners nominated by the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland were to have in the Militia and setling of all Forces by Sea and Land in this Kingdome and what influence the advices and orders from the Estates of that Parliament should have upon this Kingdome They answered That might be No. 106 107 112. fully satisfied by the Propositions concerning the Militia And though Our Commissioners desired it they could get no other answer from them in writing Our Commissioners desired to know what Iurisdiction they No. 109. intended the Commissioners of both Kingdomes should have by the power given to them to heare and determine all differences that might occasion the breach of the Articles of the Peace and by what Law they should proceed to heare and determine the same They answered That the Commissioners No. 110. were to proceed in such manner as was expressed in the Propositions Whereas the Propositions expresse no more then what is contained in the words of the question And being further pressed to an answer they answered That the matter of the No. 111. Iurisdiction of the Commissioners was expressed in the Propositions and for the manner of exercising of it and by what Law they should proceed The same was to be setled by the two Houses of the Parliament of Enâ—land and the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland respectively This being no answer and a full and direct answer being required to these questions the answer No. 113. 115. given was That they referred themselves therein to their former answers Our Commissioners desired to see the Act of the late Treaty No. 116. for the setling of the Garrison of Berwick of the 29th of November 1643. being made betwixt the two Houses and those of Scotland without Our Privity as relaâ—ing to the businesse of the Militia They answered It was not then to be Treated on No. 117. but was reserved to it's proper time and Our Commissioners could never see it Our Commissioners desired to know whether by the joynt No. 118. power mentioned in the Propositions to be given to the Commissioners for both Kingdomes to preserve the Peace between the Kingdomes and the King and every one of them they intended any other then Military power for suppressing Forces only which question was asked because in the Proposition there are two distinct Clauses one whereby they have that power to preserve the Peace the other whereby they have No. 119. power to suppresse Forces In answer to this they referre Our Commissioners to the Propositions That these answers though made to questions arising upon the doubtfull expressions in their Propositions referring to the Propositions themselves or to what was not then but was after to be setled by the two Houses are not satisfactory answers to those questions is most evident but We doe not wonder they were unwilling We should see the cleare drift of those Propositions the ill consequence whereof which hereafter appears We are willing to beleeve most