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A04714 The dyaloge bytwene Iullius the seconde, Genius, and saynt Peter. [...]; Dialoge betwene Julius the seconde, Genius, and Saynt Peter Andrelini, Publio Fausto, 1462-1518, attrib. author. aut; Erasmus, Desiderius, d. 1536, attrib. author. aut 1535 (1535) STC 14842; ESTC S103812 34,980 66

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¶ The dyaloge bytwene Iullius the seconde Genius and saynt Peter ¶ Reader refrayne from laughynge A Dyaloge made by a certeyne famous lerned man pleasaunt fruteful shewynge how Iulius the seconde great bysshop of Rome knockynge after his dethe at the gates of heuen coude not be suffred to come in saȳt Peter beinge the porter albeit y t in his lyfe tyme he was called moost holy yea by y e name of holynesse it selfe therto a great cōquerour in many batayls wherby he supposed hȳself also to be y e lord of heuē ¶ Speakers in this dyaloge ben these Iulius Genius and Petrus ¶ Iulius Genius Petrus IUlius What a myschyef is this be not the gates open I trowe eyther the locke is chaunged or elles doubtlesse it is troubled Genius Mary loke betyme leest per aduenture thou hast not broughte the ryght keye For this dore is not opened with y e same keye wherwith thou doest open thy treasoury And therfore why hast thou not brought hyther bothe twayne For surely this is a keye of power not of connynge Iul. Forsothe I had neuer other but this neyther I se not what nedeth the other key whā this is present Gen. Neyther I of trouth but for bycause we be shet out in y e meane tyme. Iul. This freateth me not a lytell I wyl breke dowue the gates Hey hey some of you quyckely come open the gate What a rekenynge is this Wyl no man come forthe What causeth this porter to tary so longe I thynke he is fallen in to some dronken slepe Genius Se ye not how this man estemeth all other men of his owne condycyons Petrus It is happy that we haue so stronge a gate or elles he wolde haue broken it He muste nedes be some gyaunt or some great ruffler or beater downe of walled townes But o īmortall god what a synke I smell here I wyl not be hasty in openynge y e dore but I shall spy here out at this grate what monster it is what arte thou or what eyleth the Iul. Wherfore doest thou not open y e gates as fast as thou canst whiche sholdest haue met me yf thou had done thy duety and al the pompe of heuen to Pet. Lordely spoken But I pray the tell me fyrst of all who thou arte Iul. As though thou mayst not se what I am Pet. Mayste not se quod he of trouthe I se a newe syght and suche one as I neuer sawe before to speake playnly a very monstre Iul. But and yf thou be starke blynde I trowe thou knowest of olde this key albeit that thou knowest not this golden oke and thou seest here to this tryple crowne and also this cope shynynge on euery syde● with golde precyous stones Pet. As for the syluer keye in dede I knowe of olde after a maner and thoughe ye haue broughte it alone beynge yet moche vnlyke to those which Chryst the true pastor or shepeherde of y e chyrche dyd ones del●uer me But how were it possyble for me to knowe this crowne so gloryous as neuer any straunge tyraunte durste weare moche more no suche certaynely as wolde be let in here As for this goodly vestiment I passe lytel vpon whiche dispysed was wonte to treade vnder my fete both golde and precyous stones lyke as I dyd tyle stones But what thyng is here I se bothe in the key crowne garment tokens of some knauysshe tapster and false iugler hauyng my forename y t is to say Symō but nothȳg folowyng my ꝓfession which name I cōfounded ones by y e assystence of Christ. Iul. Leue these brablyng wordes if thou be wyse for I if y u knowe me not am Iuliꝰ the lombarde borne in Liguria and I thynke thou knowest these .ij. letters P. and M. oneles y u dydest neuer know thy crosrowe Pet. I wene they signify the greatest pestylence Ge. Ha ha ha Howe ryght he hytteth the nayle on the heed Iul. No not so the greatest bysshop Pet. Howe great so euer thou be and though thou were greater than T●ismegistus the neuewe of greate Mercurius thou shalte not be receyued in to this place onles thou be also optimꝰ that is to say holy Iul. Yf it make any thyng to the mater to be called holy y u arte past all shame which doubteth to open me the gates seyng thou was calmany yeres ago onely holy For truely no man called me but mooste holye There remayneth at this day .vi. M. bulles Genius Bulles in dede Iul. In whiche I am called and that not ones moost holy lorde Besyde this I was intituled vnder the name of holynesse it selfe and not of a holy man what so euer was my pleasure Ge. Ye thoughe thou were st●●ke drōke Iul. Th●t men wolde say y e holynesse of moost holy lorde Iulius had done Pet. Than go aske heuen of suche flaterers y t was wonte to make y e moost holy let those gyue y e felycite which gaue the holynes But supposest y u alone to be called holy or to be holy ī dede Iul. Thou angrest me to y e herte Yf I myghte lyue agayne I wolde neyther desyre this holynes nor felycite Pet. O voyce the declarer of a very holy mynde Neuertheles whan I do but onely loke on the I ꝑceyue moche vngoodlynes but no token of holynes in the. What meneth this newe garde so vnmete for a bysshop For thou bryngest almoost .xx. M. with the and I se not one amonge them all that loketh lyke a good chrysten man I se a fylthy sorte of men sauourynge nothynge but of bawdry dronkenes and gonpowder They seme to be hyred to robbe or rather a sorte of spyrytes come out of hell to make bataile agaynst heuen Now the more I beholde thyselfe so moche lesse I se any step of an apostolyke man Fyrst of all what a monstre is here Whiche wearest aboue the garmente of a preest vnderneth thou lokest al fyersly and clynkkest within with bloody harneys Besyde all these what a cruell loke how stoborne a face how thretnynge a forheed how hawt and disdeynous a countenaunce I am truely ashamed and very wery for to se it y t there is no parte of thy body but it is defyled and vicyate with tokens of prodigyous abhomynable lust And ferthermore it nede not to speake how thou doest ryfte and smellest al togyther of excesse and dronkennes and me thynketh thou lokest as thou had of late vomyted To be shorte suche is the shape of all thy body that thou apperest not so broken roten and ouercome so moche with age as with surfettes Gen. Howe ryght he hath paynted hym in his colours Pe. Yet although y t I se the but euen nowe thretnynge me as it were with thy coūtenaunce Yet for all that I can not but vtter my thought I do suspecte y t the most pestileut heathen Iuliꝰ is come agayne disguysed from hell to laugh me to scorne thou arte so lyke
wthelde a great parte of thy patrimony Pet. Of my patrimony I pray the what patrimony tellest thou me of that lefte all togyther and poorely folowed poore Chryst. Iul. I speake of certayne townes that belonge to y e see of Rome For so it pleased the moost holy fathers to call a ꝑticuler parte of theyr possessyons Pe. Truely ye haue gotē moche lucre and auantage to my greate sclaundre And doest y u therfore call this an intollerable hurte Iul. What elles Pe. Ye but was theyr maners to be suffred or theyr loue towarde god decayed Iul. Tusshe thou speakest of tryfles the mater is this They wthelde from vs yerely infinyte thousādes of duccates whiche had ben suffycient to fynde an armyryall Pet. Be my trouth a great losse to suche an vsurer But that same duke of Ferrare what had he done Iul. What had he done A chorle of al chorles whom Alexandre the vicare of Chryste had in ●uche fauoure thoughe he was but of base bloode that he maryed one of his doughters to him gaue therto great possessyons for her dowry And yet nothynge at all remēbryng his humanyte kyndnesse euer barked and whyned agaynst me callynge me often scismatyke ●●ggerer frantyke felowe And farthermore he claymed many trybutes which albeit they were but small yet a dilygēt curate wolde not vtterly dispyse them Gen. Nay a crafty marchaunt Iul. But to come to our mater it was somwhat expedyent to that whiche I wente aboute to haue that goodly towne coupled to our patrymony bycause it lay cōmodyously for vs therfore I was purposed that ones brought to passe to gyue it to a kynsman of ours a felowe very actyue and bolde inough to attēpte any maner of thing for y e auaūcement of the chyrche which slewe not longe ago the cardinal of Papia w t his owne hāde for my pleasure but as for his doughters husbande is cōtented wel ynough Pet. What here I Hath also the hye bysshops wyues chyldren Iul. They haue no wyues of theyr owne but what straunge thynge is it for them to haue chyldren sith they be men as other be and no geldynges Pet. But tel me what caused that scismatyke counsel Iul. It were very tedious to recyte all from the fyrste begynnynge therfore I shall touche the affecte as briefly as I can ¶ Certayne ꝑsons began to waxe wery of y e courte of Rome they reported y t al togyther was corrupte w t fylthy lucre With prodigyous and abhominable lechery With preuy poysonyngꝭ sacrilege murdre symony and other vnlaufull marchaundyse They sayde also that euen I my selfe was a symoniake a dronkerde a buggerer puffed vp with a worldly spiryte And all to gyther suche a one that hath vnthryftely occupyed y e rowme and to the great confusyon of all the christianyte And so these maters out of frame must be in gods name redressed by a generall counsell They sayde therto y t I was sworne to sōmonde a generall counsell wtin two yeres after I toke my honour and y t vpon this condicyon I was made pope Pe. But was it truely sayde Iul. Yea it was trouth in dede Neuertheles I losed my selfe from y t othe whan I thought moost expedient For what is he that wyll doubte any thynge to swere a mayne to come to suche a botye Godlynes may be reuerēced otherwyse as one Iulius suche an other as I am was wonte to saye moost elegantly But marke the boldenes of these loselles and se to what poynte the mater came Nyne cardynalles shronke from me at ones They shewed me they wolde haue a counsell cyted me to be there prayed me to syt as resident or iudge Whan they coude not brȳge me to the poynte they sent out a general cōmaundemēt euery where by y e auctoryte of Maxymilian the emperour also by the auctoryte of Lewes the frenche kynge the .xij. of that name ●ycause the hystoriens wytneseth y t in tymes past che counsel was wonte to be sōmoned by the emperours of Rome I quake in speakinge it howe greatly they indeuore them to cut asondre y e cote of Christ wtout any seame which his crucifyers lefte hole Pet. But was thou suche a felowe as they reported the Iul. What mater is it if I were I was y e hye bysshop But I put case I were more tyrannous than y e Cercopyans more folysshe than Morichus or most asse in the worlde yea more fylthy than a cōmen synke who soeuer kepeth this key of power it is mete he be had in reuerence as Christꝭ vicare to worshyp hym as moost holy father in god Pet. Ye thoughe he be an open mysdoer Iul. That forceth not But to be playne it is not conuenient that he whiche is in gods stede in erth represēteth al hol●ly as it were a god amōge men sholde be rebuked or euyll spoken by of euery vyle felowe Pe. But y e cōmen reason cryeth against this that we sholde iudge wel of hym whom we se do openly euyll or say well of suche as we perceyue to be nought Iul. I am content euery man thynke what he lyst so he say well or els holde theyr peas For truely the bysshop of rome may not be rebuked no not of a generall counsell Pet. This is one thyng I am assured of● who soeuer is in Christꝭ stede here in erth ought to be as lyke to hym in lyuyng as can be And so lykewyse to lede al his lyfe leest any thȳg may be reprehended in hym or leest any persone of his deseruȳge might speake euyl of hym It is not well w t popes bysshops yf they be come to enforce and constrayne men rather w t thretnyng than with good dedes to speke well of them whom y u canst not lawde wtout ly●nge● whose greatest glory is the const●ry●●● seylēce of suche as thȳke ●uyl of them But answere me hereunto I pray the may not the pope yt ●e ●e a pestilent caytyfe a capitayn of mischif be in no wyse deposed● Iul. Oh wyse man who sholde depose him which is y e hyest of al Pe. Mary so m●●he y ● rather ought he to be put downe For the gr●●●e● man the more myschief may he do And to proue ●hat the lawe cyuile doth not onely depose an emp●rour for his euyl rulyng but also wylleth hi● to be put to deth ● what an vnhappy cōdicion and sta●e is the chyrche in whiche must ●e constrayned to susteyne a bisshop of rome doyng what myschief soeuer he lyst may in no wyse blisse vs from suche a cruel tyraunt Iul. That reason is nought worth For yf the bysshop of Rome myght be put downe it must be done by the auctoryte of a generall counsell yea besyde this a counsel can not be holden wtout the popes consent for els it is but a conuētycle no counsell But yf so be it be gathered in most due maner yet nothynge at all may be