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A16183	A large examination taken at Lambeth, according to his Maiesties direction, point by point, of M. G. Blakwell, made Arch-priest of England, by Pope Clement 8 Vpon occasion of a certaine answere of his, without the priuitie of the state, to a letter lately sent vnto him from Cardinall Bellarmine, blaming him for taking the oath of Allegeance. Together with the Cardinals letter, and M. Blakwels said answere vnto it. Also M. Blakwels letter to the Romish Catholickes in England, aswell ecclesiasticall, as lay.	Blackwell, George, 1546 or 7-1613.; Bellarmino, Roberto Francesco Romolo, Saint, 1542-1621.	1609 (1609)	STC 3104; ESTC S121306	104,118	220

subiects haue thereby receiued great detriment especially subiects who haue spent their liues as supposing the cause was iust which they vndertooke this in the meane while being indeed their case that as what they did therein was in truth wicked and rebellious so when either that which they took in hand had not good successe or when afterwards the Pope and such Princes grew to an agreement they were euer for the most part reputed according to their deserts for Rebels and Traitours vnder pretence of some thing or other that was amisse in their proceedings and that therefore he hopeth that in time all Catholickes will hereafter by other mens harmes learne to beware and not bee drawen to any disobedience against their Soueraignes vnder any pretence whatsoeuer 77 The authours of the late most wicked and barbarous treason commonly termed the Gun-powder treason had as this Examinate verily thinketh some intendment to haue aduanced thereby the Catholicke cause for that his Maiestie did still persist in the same course which was held by the late Queene his predecessor or by what other inducements this Examinate knoweth not Howbeit as this was their iust reward here that they were condemned and executed for traitours so doe they worthily reape amongst all discreete Catholikes and wise men abroad in other Countries nothing but shame and infamy to the memorie of their owne names and posteritie which this Examinate wisheth from the bottome of his heart may euer be the successe of all manner of persons whatsoeuer that shall imagine or seeke to contriue any hurt to his Maiestie the Prince or any other of his Highnesse posteritie or to the present state of this kingdome vnder any colour or pretence of conscience religion fauour towards the Bishops of Rome or any thing els whatsoeuer Only this Examinat here addeth that as he doth very well approue that Catesby with his fellowes should bee chronicled for traitours by any or wheresoeuer so he disliketh that the said Cristanouic also who is aboue named should endeuour after a sort to qualifie their offence by casting an vntrue and shamefull scandall vpon this whole nation where after a long discourse to prooue that English men haue from time to time conspited against their kings not for religion but in respect of their owne rebellious nature he concludeth thus with relation to the said Gun-powder traitors Causam tenes lector coniurationum Anglicanarum quarum furorem falsò religioni Stanista Cristanouic exam Cath. fol. 18. Catholicae legislatores tribuunt that is Thus Reader you haue the true cause of the English conspiracies the furie whereof their Law-makers doe falsly impute to the Catholique religion And againe Non ergo Catholicum sed Anglicanum ingenium Reges Ibidem Angliae non sinit securos esse that is It is not therefore the Catholique but the English humor which will not suffer the Kings of England to liue secure For as this Examinate saith what this fellow affirmeth of English men may bee as well iustified of any nation in Christendome if such a rash iudgement might be grounded vpon such like arguments as he hath vsed But here this Examinate remembring his drift wisheth in his heart that it might be neuer forgotten by any Catholiques or other English men whosoeuer what guerdon commendation and infamous renowme they may iustly expect that for any cause whatsoeuer as is aforesaid shall attempt any thing against their Soueraigne 78 Thus farre this Examinate hauing opened his iudgement vpon such occasions as were ministred vnto him he vsed sundry speeches how much it troubled him that either his Maiestie or the State should doubt of his sinceritie and Allegeance and therefore for a conclusion and as it were to adde his seale to all that before he hath said he further affirmeth viz That he doeth truely and sincerely from the bottome of his heart acknowledge professe testifie and declare in his conscience before God and the world that King Iames his Soueraigne lord is iure diuino and by the positiue lawes of this realme lawfull and rightfull King of this realme and of all other his Maiesties Dominions and Countries both de facto and de iure and that it was not lawfull either for his Maiesties Subiects to haue withstood him by force from being their king nor euer can be lawful for them now that he is their king to rise vp against him or seeke by any wayes or meanes to hurt him either in his health or in his regall estate although he denieth the Popes supremacie in causes Ecclesiasticall and seeketh as he may to suppresse all those that dissent from him in those points of Religion which hee imbraceth and though likewise they his said subiects being either Catholikes or Protestants had sufficient numbers forces and ability so to doe without any scandall to the Catholike cause and without any danger to themselues either in their goods or liues 79 That the Pope iure diuino by the lawe of God neither of himselfe nor by any authority of the Church or See of Rome or by any other meanes with any other hath any power or authority either directly or indirectly in ordine ad spiritualia whether the said authoritie bee termed spiritual or temporall or mixt or howsoeuer it is or may be termed to depose the King or to dispose any of his Maiesties kingdomes or dominions or to authorize any forreine Prince to inuade or annoy him or his countreys or to discharge any of his subiects of their Allegeance and obedience to his Maiestie or to giue license or leaue to any of them to beare armes raise tumult or to offer any violence or hurt to his Maiesties Roial person State or gouernment or to any of his Maiesties subiects within his Maiesties dominions 80 That he doeth also affirme from his heart that notwithstanding any declaration or Sentence of Excommunication or depriuation made or graunted or to bee made or graunted by the Pope or his successours or by any authoritie deriued or pretended to be deriued from him or his See against the said King his heires or successours or any absolution of the said subiects from their obedience hee will beare faith and true alleageance to his Maiestie his Heires and Successours and him and them will defend to the vttermost of his power against all conspiracies and attempts whatsoeuer which shall bee made against his or their persons their crowne and dignitie by reason or colour of any such sentence or declaration or otherwise by reason or colour of any authoritie or power ascribed to the Pope in temporalibus directly or indirectly in ordine ad spiritualia whether the said authoritie be termed spirituall or temporall or mixt or howsoeuer it is or may be termed and will do his best endeauour to disclose and make knowen vnto his Maiestie his Heires and Successours all treasons and traiterous conspiracies which hee shall know or heare of to bee against him or any of them 81 That furthermore he

de dominio Christi pag. 92. de iure iustitiâ dominio in ordine ad spiritualia cùm opus fuerit illam exercere vt patet manifestè intuenti ipsa Iura Atque haec est indirecta potestas quae Regem nostrum non attingit quia res Anglicanae iam in eo statu positae defixae sunt vt omnis ordo ad spiritualia promouenda per depositionem nostri Regis interciderit ac proinde prouidendum ne duriorem nobis conditionem statuatis Et sanè non obstante Bonifacij definitione vt liquidò constat per consequentem Clementis declarationem nihil dignitatis aut antiqui sui Iuris Clemens de priuileg cap. Meruit amisit Rex Francorum Quod facere non potuit Clemens si definitio Bonifacij ex Cathedrâ tanquam res fidei formaliter emanâsset Atque hac in re valdè notatum fuit à me quod Caietanus contra Parisienses deposuerat viz Caietan tom 1. tract 1. Apol. part 2. cap. 13. quia aliud est determinare do fide formaliter aliud de eo quod est fidei materialiter Nam primum importat determinare quid credendum vel non credendū est secundum autem determinare de quaestionibus quae in rebus creditis accidunt constat cum determinatur quaestio aliqua secundo modo non determinari dicitur de fide sed de tali vel tali materiâ Ideo cum dicitur quòd Papa non potest errare in iudicio fidei non accipio dictum esse nisi de iudicio fidei formaliter quando scilicet determinatur quid credendum vel non credendum Haec ille ex quibus ego subijciens me exquisuissimo iudicio vestro colligo Si de finiretur tanquam res fidei formaliter scilicet Papa habet potestatem deponendi Reges indirectè hoc est in ordine ad spiritualia quod certè ex ea definitione in thesi omnes tenerentur firmiter illud credere Sed si quaestio proponeretur in hypothesi An Papa habeat potestatem deponendi nostrum Regem rebus in eo statu quo nunc sunt permanentibus apud nos sanè videtur mihi saluo acutiore iudicio quod huius quaestionis determinatio esset de eo quod est fidei materialiter quia esset determinatio de quaestione quae in rebus creditis accidit proinde non diceretur determinatio de fide sed de tali materiâ Determinatio autem de re fidei formaliter nos ad credendum obstrictos tenet Iam ego proiectus ad synceritatem aequissimi Iudicij vestri peto summopere ab Amplitudine vestrâ vt decernat vtrum aliquâ in re quae sit fidei formaliter ego vacillauerim aut à cursu in quo signata sunt doctissimorum Theologorum iudicia deflexerim Quo modo ergo pertractus sum aliquâ ex parte in consortionem lapsus D. Petri ac D. Marcellini aut quâ de causâ mentio fieret Sanderi cuiius sententiam secutus sum in libro de Claue Dauid vbi ait Gladius Ecclesiae in aedificationem Sander de Claue Dauid cap. 9. datus est non in destructionem ad vitam conferendam non ad inferendam mortem ad defensionem gregis non ad laesionem pecoris ad arcendum lupum non ad deuorandum agnum Et si liceat mihi progredi in defensione meâ ego planè non video ex quâ ratione illa verba recitata aut ex Gregorio Nazianzeno aut ex Basilio Magno aut ex Leone Gregorio Magnis aut quomodo etiam laudabile factum Eleazari aut nobilitata multorū scriptis martyria Tho. Mori Ioannis Roffensis in me intorqueri possint cùm in iuramento meo nullum vel minimū signum extet quod adiunctam aliquam deformitatem praeferat contra fidem aut quod aliquam syllabam imminuat in aliquâ re fidei aut quod aliquid detrimenti adferat prohibitioni Diuinae vel quod de rebus definitis circa primatum summi Pontificis aliquantulum derogaret Sanè procul abest à nobis vt depasci veterem possessionem Apostolicae Sedis ab aliquo acuto homine aliquando sineremus Peto igitur bumillimè ab Amplitudine vestrâ vt haec tam grauia contra me praetexta ex filis parùm aequioris coloris discindantur conuersa in fumum euanescant Senex sum in carcerem coniectus propter fidem Catholicam non noui me hactenus in vlla alia curricula deuenisse quàm in illa in quibus impressa sunt doctissimorum Catholicorum manifestissima vestigia Conticescant igitur ubsecro omnes illae circumsonantes vociferationes aduersum me innocentem Apostolicae Cathedrae studiosissimum propugnatorem Cuius rei iam sit testis incarceratio mea testes sint creberrimae conciones meae testes sint in antegresso decursu triginta duorum annorum periclitationes meae pro dignitate Sedis Apostolicae testis sit administratio Archipresbyteratus quotidianis septa periculis vitae meae Sed quò progredior Certe paulò effusior videri possim in repetitione harum rerum coram Amplitudine vestrâ quae vt spero iam rigidiorem vestram opinionem de me de meo facto ad maiorem aequitatis commiserationis temperationem reuocabit Sed finem faciam extremum habebit illa Sancti Leonis sententia Manet Petri priuilegium vbicunque ex ipsius S. Leo. serm 3. in anniuersari● Assumptionis suae legitur in lect 9 in festo cathedrae S. Petri Antiochiae fertur aequitate iudicium nec nimia est vel seueritas vel remissio vbi nihil erit ligatum nihil solutum nisi quod beatus Petrus aut soluerit aut ligauerit Dominus Iesus Amplitudinem vestram conseruet ad maiorem dilatationem Catholicae fidei nostram consolationem Londini é Carcere 13. Nouemb. 1607. Vestrae Amplitudinls humillimus seruus Georgius Blakwellus The same in English ¶ Most reuerend father in Christ and most Illustrious Cardinal Bellarmine I Am much grieued that your Illustrious Amplitude hath conceiued of me being imprisoned for the Catholicke faith so hard and vnto me so terrible an opinion Hitherto through Gods grace I haue not wauered that I remember in the least point which certainly and definitely may appertaine to the sublime Maiestie and supreme authoritie of the See Apostolicke As touching the Oath I confesse I haue taken it but in that sense which is found approoued in the writings of Catholickes and is no way tainted with any spot of temeritie For the sense I relyed on being thrise repeated and by the Magistrate accepted and since also published in print is this that the supreme Bishop hath not an Imperiall and Ciuill power to depose our King at his owne pleasure and appetite Such a power the Catholicke diuines did neuer ascribe vnto the most holy Successour of S. Peter as the most Illustrious of worthy memorie Cardinall Alane

necessary for preseruation of the Realme from vniust vsurpation of Tyrants and auoyding other inconueniences which they had proued and might easily fall againe by the disorder of some wicked king Vnto this report as it seemeth and to some other idle conceits a Polonian of late hauing relation and making mention of the purpose aforesaid of king Henry the second and of king Iohn he writeth this Examinate saith in this sort speaking of the Parliament and of the oath of Allegeance Illud impiè legislatores per iusiurandum extorquent à Stanisla Cristanouie Examen Cathol fol. 34. Catholicis vt negent posse à Pontifice Regem deponi de ipsius Regnis ditionibus disponi Si enim honorariè piè tributarium regnum Pontifici quare disponere quare refractarium inobedientem Principem deponere nequit That is The law-makers doe impiously by an oath extort this from the Catholicks to denie that the King may be deposed by the Pope and his kingdomes and countries by him disposed of For if by an honourable and pious graunt the kingdome haue become tributarie to the Pope why may he not dispose of it why may he not depose the Prince being refractarie and disobedient 19 Concerning the which aforesaid assertions touching both the said kings this Examinate affirmeth they are vntrue Henry the second neuer made any such accord with Alexander the 3. as is aboue mentioned for ought this Examinate could euer reade in any Chronicle of credite He sware to Pope Alexander that he for his owne part would not depart from him or his successors Ro. Houeden Annal fol. 303 quamdiu ipsum sicut Regem Catholicum habuerint so long as they should entreate him as a Catholicke king And touching king Iohn inasmuch as his fact that way is of some more probabilitie but of as little trueth and that from the said reportes of them both Stanislaus Cristanouic doth inferre that the Pope may depose his Maiestie being but a tributarie King vnto him he this Examinate by taking his oath that the Pope had no Imperiall or Ciuill power ouer the king to depose him did thereby discharge his conscience for the iustifying of a trueth against the said false reports that of king Iohn being as vntrue as the former Which this Examinate saith he doth the more boldly affirme because he hath one of no small account in that he died for the Popes supremacie to take his part therein besides some other rules of regalitie in that behalfe Thus Sir Thomas More writeth against the author of the Beggers Supplication in king Henry the 8. time If he the authour of that supplication Sir Tho. More supplic of soules pag. 296. say as indeede some writers say that king Iohn made England and Ireland tributarie to the Pope and the See Apostolike by the grant of a thousand markes wee dare surely say againe that it is vntrue and that all Rome neither can shew such a grant nor neuer could and if they could it were nothing worth For neuer could any king of England giue away the Realme to the Pope or make the land tributarie though he would And this to bee agreeable to this Examinates owne iudgement hee doeth acknowledge as he saith with all his heart hoping that the same shal no way preiudice his constant resolution as touching the Popes supremacie nor offend any that loueth the Crowne and State of England 20 And as concerning his relying vpon his Maiesties words in the sense approoued by the Magistrate when he this Examinate tooke the oath of Allegeance and insinuating to Cardinall Bellarmine that the summe of it was accordingly Summum Pontificem non habere Imperialem ciuilem potestatem ad libitum ex suo appetitu deponendi Regem nostrum that the Pope hath not an Imperiall and ciuill power to depose our King when he pleaseth and at his owne appetite he hopeth likewise to giue therein some reasonable contentment For which purpose he saith it is to be obserued that there is an opinion long since broached by the Canonists which hath begun of later times to be more stiffely and with greater heate prosecuted and maintained then heretofore concerning the Popes authoritie in causes temporall the authors whereof doe with great confidence affirme that the Pope is as directly Lord of the whole world in temporalibus in temporalties as hee is the head of the vniuersall Church in spiritualibus in matters spirituall and that hee hath directly as souereigne an authoritie in respect of such his worldly dominion ouer all Emperours Kings and Princes to dispose of them and their kingdomes when occasion shall require as hee hath in regard of his spirituall supremacie ouer all Bishops and Cleargie men to aduance and depriue them when hee thinketh it conuenient and that they deserue it The chiefe patrons of this opinion are noted by Cardinall Bellarmine to be these Augustinus Triumphus Aluarus 〈…〉 Pelagius Hostiensis Panormitane and Syluester to whom this Examinate doeth adde Henricus Gandauensis Redericus Sancius Alexander Alensis Celsus Mancinus Tho. Bozius Franciscus Bozius Isidorus Mosconius Card Baronius Laelius Zecchus and Alexander Carerius who nameth diuers others as principall defenders of that opinion and 〈…〉 is himselfe so violent therein as hee doeth in effect anathematize all that do oppose themselues against it not sparing Cardinall Bellarmine himselfe against whom forasmuch as his drift is principally throughout his whole booke hee was much to blame this Examinate thinketh to entitle it to be written aduersus impios politicos nostritemporis haereticos against the wicked politickes hereticks of our time With this Carerius 〈…〉 such as are on that side doe resolutely concurre insomuch as they doubt not this Examinat consesseth to renew againe the long disliked and impugned assertions of the old Canonists and to publish them now vnto the world more eagerly then heretofore as aboue he hath touched for sound and Catholicke doctrine they saying 21 That Dauid did foretell that the Priesthood of 〈…〉 Anno 57. pag. 432. Christ should be according to the order of Melchisedech That when Christ being a King and a Priest receiued all iudgement of the Father that is most full iudiciall power hee ioyning the same with his priesthood did institute in the Church a Regall priesthood Bar. Ibidem pag. 433. translating in suos that is to S. Peter and his successours all the power hee had of his father That Franc Bezius de temporall Ecclesiae Monarchia in praesat ad Clemen S. except there should bee one supreme Monarch in the Church in all things the vnitie of the Church could not be preserued for seeing the Church by diuine institution doth consist of a Kingdome and a Priesthood is it were otherwise there should bee in the same absolutely one Monarch of the Kingdome and another of the Priesthood That if for the auoiding of the dissensions about sacred causes one supreme head is appointed

why not in the same maner of the Kingdome that there should bee one and the same head both of the Kingdome and Priesthood lest in like sort there should be dissension betwixt them that therfore it is the rather to be held that Peter doeth supply Christs place not onely in the Priesthood but in the Kingdome that he might bee a King and likewise a Priest according to the order of Melchisedech who was both a King and a Priest 22 That if Christ be King of kings and Lord of Tho. Bozius de iure status praefat ad Aldehrard lords in like sort the Church must be Queene and Lady and if he be the Lord of all temporalities shee likewise must be the Lady That all temporall regall power doeth reside first in the soule of Christ and then in the Idem ibidem Church his spouse the Queene of the world and from her is deriued to others faithfull or infidels as out of a fountaine That the Church the spouse of Christ and Idem lib. 1. cap. 6 sol 36. Queene of the world may as oft as the order of the whole doeth require c. transferre the proper rights of one vnto another as a secular Prince may cast downe priuate mens houses for the beautifying of the Citie or impose tribute for the weale publike that he may thus iustly doe although he hath not erred from whom such rights are transferred vnto another so the Pope gaue the Spaniards the Indians That the Pontificall and Isidor Moscon de maiest milit Eccle. pag. 91. Idem pag. 656. Regall power and all other powers are most plentifull in the Pope and doe reside in the Pontificall dignitie that all Dominions whatsoeuer doe depend vpon the Church and vpon the Pope as the head of the Church and that in the Pope authoritie is considered in Emperours Idem pag. 670. and Kings power and thence it is that power doeth depend vpon authoritie 23 That true iust ordeined by God and meere Carer de potest Rom. Ponti pag. 9. dominion aswell in spirituall things as in temporall was brought foorth by Christ and the same was committed to S. Peter and his successours That Christ Idem pag. 111. was Lord ouer all inferiours not onely as God but likewise as man hauing euen then dominion in the earth and that therefore as the dominion of the world was in Christ both diuine and humane so it must be confessed that it was in the Pope his Vicar That as God in a secondarie maner may bee called a temporall ruler and Idem pag. 112. Monarch of the world although in himselfe hee is not principally worldly or temporall so the Pope may be called a temporall Lord and Monarch although his power be a certaine spirituall thing That the mysterie of Idem pag. 120. redemption being accomplished Christ as a king gaue vnto Peter the administration of his kingdome and S. Peter did execute that his power against Ananias and Saphira That Christ as hee is man is directly Idem pag. 124. the Lord ouer all the world in temporalties and that therefore the Pope is so likewise in that he is his Vicar That the supreme power of iudging all and the top of Idem pag. 126. dignities and the height of both powers are found in Christs vicar 24 That there is one principalitie and one supreme Rodericus Sancius apud Carer pa. 132. Prince ouer all the world who is Christs vicar according to that of Daniel chap. 8. He hath giuen him power and honour and rule and all people and tongues shall serue him and that in him therefore is the fountaine and spring of all principalitie and from him all other powers doe flow That the Bishop of Idem ibidem pag. 131. 132. Rome in place of Christ is set as a Prince ouer the whole world in spiritualties and temporalties and that it is naturally morally and by the law of God to be held with a right faith that the principalitie of the Bishop of Rome is the true and onely immediate principalitie of the whole world not onely as touching things spirituall but likewise temporall and that the Imperiall principalitie is depending vpon it as being mediate ministeriall and instrumentall ministring and seruing it and that it is ordeined and instituted by it and at the commandement of the Papall principalitie is mooueable reuocable corrigible and punishable 25 That as the diuine and humane dominion were Carerius de potest Rom. Pont. pag. 150. in Christ so in Christs stead the dominion of the world in the Pope is both spirituall and temporall diuine and humane That the vnremooueable trueth doeth designe Idem pag. 151. by Peters onely comming vpon the water to Christ that the whole dominion which is signified by the Sea is committed to S. Peter and his successors And that as the Pope cannot say that he is not Christs vicar vpon Idem pag. 155. earth so he cannot deny but that he is Lord ouer all things because the earth is the Lords and the fulnesse thereof whereby all things heauenly earthly and infernall are subiect vnto Christ the Lord and thence it is that he did commit vnto the Pope who doeth supply his place vpon earth the right of the heauenly and terrene Empire That the Pope by the Law of God hath Iael Zecchan tract Theolog. pag. 81. power and temporall dominion ouer the whole world that the same is prooued by the words of Luc. 22. Behold here are two swords which signifie the power temporall and spirituall and because Christ whose vicar the Pope is hath both powers according to the words Matth. vlt. All power is giuen vnto me in heauen and in earth That thence it may be deduced that the Pope is absolutely the Lord of all the Christian world and Kings and Christian princes are to acknowledge that they holde of him their Empires and kingdomes and all that are faithfull ought to be subiect vnto him And that as oft as such princes doe any great hurt in the Church the Pope may depriue them of their kingdomes and transferre their right to others 26 It is here to be obserued of what great reputation in Rome and Italy the authors are whose opinions this Examinate doeth dislike For to omit Baronius the late Cardinall Francis Bozius his booke was approued in Rome very authentically to be printed as conteining nothing in it aduerse to the Catholicke faith and with the like approbation the booke of Thomas Bozius was printed in Rome and so was that of Celsus Mancinus Mosconius his booke was printed at Venice before the stirres betwixt them and the Pope and the tractate of Laelius Zecchus was printed at Brixia Carerius a Doctor of Padua had his booke approoued at Padua though it was afterwards printed at Colein Whereupon it was thought meete by the Examiner for whom it was thought as lawfull to obiect what he thought fit as sor Master

maner the same was giuen vnto him directly saith the one side indirectly saith the other 69 That hee verily supposeth that Cardinall Bellarmine being so worthy and eminent a man for iudgement and learning hath not been so peremptorie in the handling of the two said points whether the Pope hath the said surmised authoritie directly or indirectly but that hee hath left vnto himselfe some sufficient warrant and libertie to varie if there be occasion in the said third point viz. whether Christ gaue to S. Peter any such authoritie at all or no. For whereas hee the said Cardinall doeth plainely affirme that Papa vt Papa ordinariè Temporales Principes deponere Bellar. lib. 5. de Rom. Pont. cap. 6. etiam iustâ de causâ non potest tamen potest regna mutare vni auferre alteri conferre tanquam summus Princeps spiritualis si idnecessarium sit ad animarum salutem That is The Pope cannot as he is Pope though there be iust cause by his ordinarie power depose ciuill Princes yet as he is the supreme spiritual Prince he may translate Kingdomes and take them from one and conferre them vpon another if need so require for the sauing of soules he saith in effect nothing else though couertly but that the Pope hath no power at all to depose Kings For S. Peter neither did nor could transferre any authoritie vnto his Successor but ordinarie for which cause it is commonly held that the rest of the Apostles could not deriue the plenitude of their power to their successors as S. Peter did because the same in them was not ordinary as in S Peter but extraordinary Extraordinaria enim potestas non transit in successorem For an extraordinarie power doeth not descend vnto the successours And at this point this Examinate saith he did aime as farre as he durst presume in his letter to the Cardinall where hauing cited his words abouesaid Non potest Papa vt Papa c. hee writ after this sort Verba iuramenti sunt Papam non habere authoritatem deponendi Regem disponendi de regnis dominijs Maiestatis suae Et communis intellectus apud Magistratum ad nullum alium conceptum propendet quàm ad hunc viz. Papam vt Papa est Nam non potest pertingere ad illum conceptum viz. tanquam summum Principem spiritualem Et cùm proponitur iuramentum suscipiendum illius sensus cognitus à Magistratu restringitur ad ordinariam potestatem Nam qui proponunt iuramentum illi remotissimi sunt à cogitatione extra ordinariae aut indirectae potestatis in Papâ residentis That is The words of the oath are that the Pope hath not authoritie to depose the King and to dispose of his kingdomes and Dominions And the common vnderstanding thereof doth with the Magistrate incline to no other conceite but to this viz. the Pope as he is Pope For it cannot reach vnto that construction viz as he is the supreme spiritual Prince And when the oath is exhibited to be taken the sense thereof apprehended by the Magistrate is restrained vnto an ordinarie power For they that minister the oath are as farre as may bee from the thought of any extraordinarie or indirect power residing in the Pope Besides it is apparant that the Pope is not otherwise the highest spiritual Prince but as hee is Pope so as what he cannot doe as Pope he cannot do as the chiefe spiritual Prince And out of question Carerius hath gotten an aduantage Carer depot. Rom. Pont. lib. 2. cap. 8. of the Cardinall by reason of his said former assertion where he the said Carerius laboureth to prooue that Christi vicarius propriè dicitur Papa Christs vicar is properly called the Pope and doth presse it hardly to this effect that either the Pope is not Christs vicar or else that hee doeth iudge inferiores Potestates vt Papa as he is Pope 70 That the contents of the 39. 66. 68. and 69. Sections of this his Examination being well weighed and considered together with diuers other points by him set downe in the said Examination his answere this Examinat saith againe to the Cardinals letter touching the clause most excepted against doeth reach as farre as by the oath of Allegeance was intended For whereas saith this Examinate if the Pope should haue any authoritie to depose and eradicate Kings he hath it not by vertue of his power to Excommunicate but must haue it of necessitie either as he is supposed to be Dominus in temporalibus directè the Lord of temporalties directly or Dominus in temporalibus indirectè the Lord of temporalties indirectly and that Cardinall Bellarmine is peremptorie that the Pope cannot depose kings by any ordinarie iurisdiction that he hath as he is Pope and Carerius with all his vpholders on the other side are as confident resolute that if the Pope hath not ordinarie authoritie as he is Pope to depose kings he hath no such authoritie at all for as much as what hee this Examinate hath before affirmed how in his opinion as hee saith the Pope hath no authoritie to depose Kings either as he is Dominus in temporalibus directly or indirectly the same is nothing else then what he deposed vnto when he sware that in his conscience the Pope neither of himselfe nor by any authority of the Church or See of Rome or by any other meanes with any other hath any power or authoritie to depose the King c. And because also that whether he should haue had authoritie to depose Kings or not he must haue had it by some imperiall or ciuill authoritie either as hee is Dominus in Temporalibus directly or indirectly considering that to be Dominus in temporalibus in any of the said two respects is to haue an imperiall and ciuill authoritie hee this Examinate saith that these points well weighed it is plaine that when hee writ to the Cardinall Summum Pontificem non habere imperialem ciuilem potestatem deponendi Regem nostrum that the Pope hath not an imperiall or ciuill power to depose our King he told the Cardinall in effect as much as if he had said vnto him that the Pope hath no authoritie at all to depose his Maiestie 71 That for the further clearing of his this Examinates relying vpon his Maiesties speeches in Parliament when he tooke the oath of Alleageance and his mentioning of it likewise to the Cardinall he this Examinate saith that except it be thought a fault to answere truely to a matter propounded when he speaketh not all the truth that doeth thereunto appertaine which were a strange conceit the order neither of Schooles nor of any iudiciall Courts in the world binding any man to proceed further in his answere to any question or interrogatorie then the same doeth leade him hee this Examinate seeth not hee sayth what can be subiect to any iust reprehension in his answere to the Cardinals letter the substance thereof being

the vineyard of the Lord had taken deepe roote and that the spouse of Christ which at the first had no papps became to bee of mature age and that all that while for the space of 350. yeeres the said power did lie in Martyrdome and blood vntill afterwards the foundations were laid and the walles were built vp and that then the same began to shew it selfe in blessed Syluester and his Successors But withall he addeth that the vse and exercise of the Popes said actuall and casuall authoritie and iurisdiction is not great in the Pope That if we consider the Idem ibidem pag. 89. Popes care of spirituall things he is so occupied in them being heauenly matters as hee can scarcely intende to those things that bee terrestriall That in Kings and Emperours the vse of temporall power is more frequent because the matters that they deale in are not heauenly but terrene Mary saith hee their swords notwithstanding Idem ibidem pag. 98. and all their temporall power are at the Popes commaundement in that hee is the Lord of the whole Christian world to whose iurisdiction all other iurisdictions are subiect and referred as to the first fountaine from whence they flow And in another place likewise he saith that the preseruation both of particular and vniuersall iustice belonging to the Popes Idem ibidem pag. 105. 106. office for asmuch as he cannot be attentiue to such terrene affaires lest applying himselfe to these small matters hee might leaue celestiall things vndone hee dealeth in such sort with Emperours Kings and Princes for his owne assistance as Iethro taught Moses who following Iethroes counsell did appoint Iudges to deale in temporall causes that hee might more freely apply himselfe to those that were spirituall he the said Pope hauing notwithstanding in himselfe power and authoritie to correct the errours of such Emperours Idem ibidem pag. 98. Kings and Princes and to iudge of their excesses as there should bee cause For saieth Mancinus further though Princes are free within their proper territories Idem ibidem pag. 120. and may freely vse their power and authoritie yet they haue their boundes and limits which they must not passe and there is a meane in the vse of it which they are bound to obserue but if they exceede their measure and passe their line then it is the part of Christs vicar in whom is the top of both authorities to take knowledge of their proceedings and to remedie them and that in matters of greater difficultie and weight Appeales doe therefore lie from all Kings to the Pope as when mens rights are ouerthrowen they are to flie to the supreme Iudge whose office is to iudge such causes 109 So as this Examinate saith hauing thus deliuered truely the effect and substance of Mancinus iudgement touching this point set downe by him the said Mancinus at large and with great varietie according to their opinions who concurre with him concerning the Popes inherent authority and iurisdiction ouer all the world directly in causes temporall it doth appeare what his and their conceit is of the casuall practise of that great authority And he confesseth it to be this in effect viz that Emperours and Kings holding their authority as from the Pope they are to him as Moses his Iudges and rulers were vnto him and that therefore when it happeneth or falleth out casualiter that the Pope holdeth it fit to depose any King from his Crowne and kingdome to absolue his subiects from their Allegeance to authorize them to beare armes against their King so deposed to command them vnder paine of Excommunication so to doe in that being deposed he is no more their King or otherwise when hee holdeth it conuenient to correct and punish any other Kings for dealing vniustly with their subiects vpon complaint made vnto him as vnto the chiefe Iudge if they persist in so doing he may so deale and proceede with them euen as Moses might haue done vpon any complaint brought vnto him in some such like cases against any of his Iudges and rulers deputed vnder him And furthermore that if a King so deposed by the Pope will needs keepe his Kingdome still if his subiects notwithstanding the Popes commandement to the contrary will not be induced to beare armes against him nor to withdraw their obedience from him but will still honour obey and serue him or if other Kings will so far contemne the Popes authority when vpon Appeales made vnto him they doe persist in oppressing their subiects so as the Pope is driuen vpon their contempts to take the like course with them then in those and the like cases saith Mancinus and others the Pope being the highest Mancinus ibidem pag. 232. Bishop and Christs vicar and glistering with regall dignitie may without all doubt if hee will moue armes proclaime warre and excite men himselfe to battaile and it is also generally by these men held that the Emperour and all other Christian Kings and Princes are at the Popes commandement and beck to draw their swords and to vse all their forces for the putting in execution of his said Sentences to the suppressing of the said obstinate Kings and the transferring of their kingdomes vnto some others 110 Here this Examinate being asked what difference there was betwixt these mens opinions who hold that the Pope may thus proceede with Kings and princes by vertue of his authoritie in all temporall causes directly but casualiter that is in such cases as are aboue expressed when casually they happen and the other side who although they deny that the Pope hath any such authoritie directly yet they affirme as it hath beene oft aboue mentioned that he hath power to depose kings and to transferre kingdomes in ordine ad spiritualia indirectly per accidens by a certaine consequence incidently secundùm quid secundariò per consecutionem accessorily and casualiter that is when such occasions are offered hee this Examinate answoreth that he must needes confesse there is no difference at all betwixt them in respect of their iudgement touching the lawfulnesse of the Popes authoritie to proceede casualiter as is aforesaid with such obstinate princes but onely this that the one part supposeth this authoritie to be inherent in the Pope as hee is Christs vicar which the other denyeth but saith notwithstanding that he hath it though not inherent in him yet indirectly by a consequence because all kings and princes when they are baptized doe promise and vndertake inclusiuè that they will for euer maintaine the Church be obedient to the Pope and at his commandement for the suppressing of all such persons whosoeuer as shall oppose themselues against the Catholicke faith Insomuch that Cardinall Bellarmine Bell. de Rom. Pon. lib. 5. cap. 6. euen in the same Chap. where hee remembreth the Popes dealing in temporall causes incidenter càsualiter incidently and casually although he acknowledgeth that the Pope as hee is Pope