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A80357 Conscience caution'd, & so set at libertie. Also a further ansvver to the city remonstrance. At the end there is also a petition of the authors; and one of the clergies by a prosopoeia. 1646 (1646) Wing C5898; Thomason E341_7; ESTC R200900 10,445 12

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quiet in that particular and not only save but strengthen the Kingdome and quit it from all danger for when every one hath what he would what would be more it agrees with Divine Ordination so God and Christs will so policy of State reason and humane Justice Rom. 14 it procures peace and quietnesse amongst us and rids of persecutions crutiations and exclamations This being granted no question but you shall find such a Troop of sanguine Spirits as shall retrogade the Sun and cast a faint palenesse on the Turkish Moon An universall Classick beauty and conformity which is pleasing and delightfull to the eye will be wanting but its better to dispence with beauty then burn for it better is safety then curiosity deformity will displease but safety will make satisfaction besides meere Errours may not be remedied with a greater Errour yea and sinne of injustice to punish where none is wronged Judge not of for I never read it I only make bold to tell our Citizens The State the multitude in vvhich are vveaker or vvicked the Woman of Tekoa was crafty but my Lord the King is as an Angell of Light and we like light Angels And now we only petition the State who never yet petitioned and yet never cease petitioning in our hearts but our hands are alwayes bound and are not yet loosed We first give all humble and hearty thanks for all received which are of that infinity that finities cannot conceive much lesse expresse them We choose therefore to render ourselves with silence as best because least troublesome and so desire to be conceived grateful to the uttermost of Conception c. Next we humbly and heartily implore by all that 's justly prevalent with man in Justice to hear us as you are just men or rather Justice it self from whom as a Fountain should run in rivolets and vei●e● in a diffusive and contributive way the influence of Justice First to yours in these next to our chiefe Soveraign Salus populi next to each individuall Keepe wee humbly beseech you our rights of Kinghood and Priesthood overthrow them not for Rites c. Take heed of Templum Domini so in Nomino Domini c. so all at 13. b. c. The Authors have other ends then those pretences Salus populi is above them primarily or in competition the Sabbath for man not man for it sacrifice the same if thou lovest not thy brother whom thou seest how then God whom thou seest not save salus first we beseech you and indanger it not under those Notions of Reformation The Clergie hearing of this Petition and fearing to be outed petitioned and humbled themselves to the State by Prosopeia as followeth Right Honourable c. We first give thanks and acknowledgments according to the tenour of the Author aforesaid as most comprehensive and least troublesome Next we acknowledge our weaknesse and wickednesse that some of us see not and who do will not see their usu●p●tion invasion of our Mr. Priests rights yea their K●nghood by endeavouring to be Judges And as so what is it we would not have brought within the C●rcuit ●f Jurisdiction and give in verdict on our si●e We want not wi●l but power longer to contest in Argument and that we now comp●y is not of ingenuity bu● n●c●ssity We deny n●t but it might be our policie to gain the Citie on our s●de and see them against the Indep●nde●t our Brethr●n could our stomachs stoope to call them so under t●e fine notions of Gods Honour ●ooting out Se●●s Templum D●mini Religion c. things ver● taking with the religious and d●vout yet ignorant and unprincipled and simple as not armed with Ser●ent no suspition So might it be also ●urponcie to set the Citie against the State by such such suggestions strengthning them further with he pretences of love so o● their honour priviledges c things of a taking nature also 〈◊〉 ●●ese are nothing to us except as conducing to our ends which might be to ●●k ●n our adversaries by gaining the City on our side but if yet the Cities help sufficed not then the aforesaid sweet notions pret●nces suggestions c. might ●erve to induce the C●●y to side ●t vvith ●inon to bring in his Trojan Horse to subdue our and their adversa●ies c. vvhich also might serve our turn being served to subdue the City it ●el● least they should tu●● our a●v●rsaries vvhen they see our treacheries f●r vvhat is it to some of us vvhom vve can ruinate so vve can raise our ●elves Yea vve den● not bu● vve might d● a● also vvith Si●on to ●b●er and Ioab it s intercoursively vvith b●●●ty und●r the aforesaid notions suggestions and pret●n●es w●t the ●●ccessions of all sweet blandishments salutes and imbracements c a● how dost my b●other c. o● vv●ich ●he Cit● not be●ng ●ircumsp●ct might be sm●●●nde● t●●●rib and die lik● a tool c VVe●●●re rely vvholly at your ●e●ci●s ●or vv●ck ●●vv ●ot vvhat to plead●●●e do all ●xcuse this Aut●ors Discoverie confessing it ours by inforcement And do●n ●a●e if he have any thing ●he to imp●●● for ●hen univ●rsall good to which vv● have bin very m●●rious that he vvil do it And vve humbly beseech ●ou Honours to commmand him thereto i● he shall be an● vvay neglective ●nd thus vvith our humbl● submission yea vvith a total subduing our ●●ves v●●●est not only your Petitioners for favour vvhich vve have much need of considering our guilt but we acknowledg our selves your slaves and Prisoner for our great treacheries in seeking under such specious Notions to be Judges of our Judges and so King it over the Kingdome The Authour being circularly ingenious and Zealous of the common good hath complyed to their requests and will with the states leave State Divine Ordination to the life as shall not be made head against by any Power whatsoever but shall be as cleer as is a Diaphane Mirrour which discovers cleerly the naturall Countenance in each veine limbe c. And now oh thou honourable City of whom I am a Member it 's my Love care and zeale hath begot these cautions be zealous yet shew it not take heed of those pretences of Gods Honour c. mistake not the highest Principle especially in competition is Humane safety and God makes it his Honour the next is justice passe by some seeming affronts which may be are none rather then ruine your selves and yours by an uncertaine righting of them concentrize with the State and the State with you If you love the State and Estates Doe your best to rectify them ruine them not nor your selves I expect Love and Protection from you for thus cautioning Silence is betraying c. And now oh Presbyters and Independents of the Clergy of that depraved sort how answer you it in Religion Reason or Morality for to abuse the Notions at 13. C. to trecherize it to your Country and one to root out the other and King
to K. or S. to bear them out we leave it to the State But o● if so are they not treacherous c. to fight against God and Man yea their own Coun●rey Loo● to it Citizens you are besieged by Symon his trojon Horse Look into his belly and no on his back I appeale See to it Citizens the third Dog will get the bone suites it to your greatnesse and wisdome to bee flattered and deceived with c. To the 5. I know more then I will know in this and wee question not but the State knowes all knowable c. It may argue great poverty of understanding but plenty of depravednesse what if we prove it against Divine Ordination how then Allow us frredome and we undertake i● oppose us who dare To the 6. It s right if right ends and wayes b● The 7 8 9. Good all I conceive bu● conclude not The 10 11. I cannot judge of so judge not of The 12. Good also or nothing is good To the 13. I say little too but that little is much why Scotland decline the Parliament the whole Kingdom convened c. in whom they know lyeth the right and state of the States Is it not dishonour implyes it not under-hand complyance we say not it doth but refer it to judgment Queries are safer then Resolutions Oh thou Stalking Horse R●ligion Gods Honour Worship Service Vnity rooting out Sects c. what villanies are acted of Atheists under this fine veile c but I forbeare though I can beare no longer is it not under a shew of devotion to c●●sse one another and so set together by the eares To the 14. This City is abused or will abuse themselves Quaere if this Clergy and S. and K. underhand would not have it so bestowed that they might bestow it c. And then P. S. are Kings but will shew us the King to delude us and thus the Ci●y and State may be unstated c. Oh you Citizens bee not befooled by these Nominalls of Religion of one side or other for they will outreach you if you reach them not in season Did they not Darius and Dagon they were too heard for their God and their King Yet oh great is Dagon and oh King Darius live for ever To the 15. Judge justly of Quarterman and quarter him not I say not he errd or errd not for I know nothing he might erre in some circumstances not in the maine his faithfulnesse to the State and present necessity may excuse Formes Ceremonies c. a State for a State are not bound to any thing else could they not save it when endangered Principles are wanting Gods House on suspition for a State may be turned topsi turvie yea unstated I am a Citizen and stand for its just priviledges but none are just or pleadable against a Sate for a State nay I particularize not nor by the State against the State for so might our Soveraigne S●lus populi be unated and by that our selves for individuales makes universales Sectarist a man of errors is no blemish but unto black understandings if otherwise qualified as at first for who is not so one to another see Rom. 14. To the 16. And reason too if suspition and States necessity allowed not what was done yet to find nothing is no Argument but not to have ground to Seeke yet what ground shall a State for a State be stated to To the 17. If every way ingenious its reason yet who knowes inward ingenuity it stands the State on to stand on their Guard of wise jealousy if not of the City yet of Ioab and Iud●● Salutes c. I would the City were as wisely zealous of Ioab and Iudas Intentions may be faire and not to comply with any parties but parties may comply with and so overreach by pretences and complyance These must be provided against because they are against c. And last of all is this the reward his excellent Excellency the faithfull Sir Thomas Fairfax and inconquered Crumwell our preservers must expect ●o be disarmed and rooted out as Sects c. Are they not qualified as at 1 have we not justified them as there have they not saved us from slavery of Body Estate and Conscience consider of it oh ingratitude inhumanity unheard of why offer you not your Lives Estates and all you have as an offering to their Service I am astonished c. Christians oh we are Gentiles to the Gentiles where is the Cities reward so each ones you Independents why do you forget your selves we have all Life Estate Being and injoy W●ves Children Friends by their Manhood and Faithfulnesse Oh sordidnesse is all forgot is this Religion and for Gods Honour to roote out errors wherein is no Injustice and it s to God not to man Rom. 14. by the greatest of errors injustice ingratitude and make Religion a pretenc● for all If God will beare with errors will not ma● ●h inhumaine man see Rom. 14. and be ashamed of thy shamefulnesse Note It s Athisme in the highest degree because against Gods own Act and with c. as afore Rom. 14. Note Is it not blasphemy to abuse his name as a● 13. for to culler injustice as at before O● P●esb●ters and Independents of the Clergy for your own end be not treacherous to the State it sutes not to Religion Reason nor moralities it preacheth you irreligious Arthests yea inhumane m●● S●●us your Soveraigne be sacrifized to your pride a 〈◊〉 and covetousnesse Quaeries 1 May not the Scot keep the King for a Ca●●er and seeme to reverence in all externall postures ●o ●●●●des and in writings on purpose to keepe up his opinion and S●● tha● so they may instate themselves under its umb●●ge a●● mak● us conceive it reall that we may realize 〈…〉 him so their use 2. May they not for their own ends petition him whom they have power to make petition them 3. May they not write what they please in his name See to its Citizens you are besie●ed and besotted too yet all their own dictating to these or those ou● good Cousins or our peoples c. of London or elsewhere we say not that these things are thus we say otherwise but no body can let us to say but they have power in their hand thus to do nor can any one let them from doing so but their own goodnesse if they have so much goodnesse If the Scots stay and keep our Towns and Garisons after voted out is it not invasion Is it not the same to enter in hostility or in confluent numbers after voted out If they deliver not up the King when demanded without capitulation for they are our Army our Servants and is not the King our States prisoner what is it and what is He if not so Suffer oh State suffer both Independents and Classicks cautioned as at first and you shall be rid of a world of troublesome fools and so be at