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A00670 A treatise against the necessary dependance vpon that one head, and the present reconciliation to the Church of Rome Together with certaine sermons preached in publike assemblies, videlicet 1. The want of discipline. 2. The possession of a king. 3. The tumults of the people. 4. The mocke of reputation. 5. The necessitie of the Passion. 6. The wisdome of the rich. By Roger Fenton Doctor of Diuinitie, late preacher of Graies Inne. Fenton, Roger, 1565-1616.; Utie, Emmanuel, d. 1661. 1617 (1617) STC 10805; ESTC S102068 104,035 162

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may be Mat. 13.45 they acquire all their knowledge by sitting no paines they take to purchase that pearle in the Gospell no wee presuppose they found it before they sought it Is it come to this Then to that Religion and vnto that Church which findes vs and we not them must we bee reconciled vnder paine of damnation Euseb 5. Let vs deale with them à posteriore Then was Irenaeus in the state of damnation which tooke vp Victor for censuring the Easterne Church Then those were blessed which Cyprian calles Desperate Ep 55. and hee in a woe case for condemning those that made appeale to Rome from Africke Then presently after Cyprian the Church of Carthage must bee damned for want of Reconciliation that excepted against the vniuersality in particular Ne quidem Romanus And St. Augustine as deepe in hell that was an assistant to that Councell Search the Councells Mileuitan and Nice nothing can be found in the Originals except as the Athenians made an Altar where the Beasts staid to the vnknowen God so where the Pope sits they will make relation to some vnknowen Originall in the time of Numa but Plus oculo quam oraculo Chrysost Hom 43. in Matth. we will see it before we receiue it vpon their bare report for we are sure the Greeke Church would not yeeld in Chrysostomes time hee writes against it and the other did excommunicate those that made an appeale to Rome because no good did issue from appeales but long iourneyes expence of money many miseries but no redresse no pitty no indignation at the wrongs and to those that did practise them it was not Refugium but Suffugium a refuge but a shift to slip off the punishment of some notorious crimes that they had committed in their own Church not for any care to religion but to be of that religion which did eyther permit vnlawfull things or dispense with great persons like the Magi that said vnto the Kings of Persia Wee haue a Law that it is not lawfull for a man to marry his sister we haue another Law Virgils Fglog that Kings may doe what they list Et quae tanta fuit Romam tibi causa videndi Libertas saith the Poet liberty and impunity was the cause of these appeales and though there were a necessity yet no fruite did grow from it The comparison which S. Ierome a Priest in Rome doth make betwixt Orbem and vrbem is well knowne and the place in which he paralels the merit Priesthood of Constantinople with Rome Ier. ep ad Euagr. Einsdem meriti et Sacerdotij I omitte the titles of Gregory the Pope himselfe enough to discouer his successors to be Antichristian not spoken onely for meere opposition to the pride of Iohn of Constantinople but for his owne part absit haec leuitas ab aurihus meis Iob. 7. he would not heare of it but because hee was but a sparke of mortality as others were he would not striue to flie the highest but shine the brightest and so we are come past the 600. yeares Then euery man knowes how Phocas killed Mauritius and vsurpt the Empire and to curry fauour with the Romanes made that dogge of the flocke Boniface the third vniuersall Bishop so they continued in hight of pride and cruelty as the ould Rome was built in bloud so was the supremacy gotten by parricide Psa 67.20 Non Jesuitarum suasu sed militum terrcre Eliens epis ad Bell. Apol. Resp cap. 1. we wish it did not so continue It was a saying Thou leadest thy people like sheepe by the hands of Moses and Aaron but now alas it is not Ducit but Trahit we must not be led but drawne by the necks not so much by the perswasion of Iesuites as the violence of Souldiers Ignatius turned from a Souldier to a Iesuite now turned from a Iesuite to a Souldier by bloudy inquisitions and by force of armes must wee be forced to reconciliation not violence vsed onely vpon Subiects but vpon Kings There haue beene some that haue giuen an vncertaine sound to the battell against this plea As that the Bishop of Rome is not aboue a Councell in Paris not aboue the Lawes and all Ecclesiasticall Persons by supreame power in Venice not aboue all by a direct temporall dominion in the consistory of Cardinals There haue beene in England fiue Kings that haue resisted the Pope in such vsurpations and now thanke God IAMES is the sixt but amongest them and vs the first which not long agoe in that famous disputation at Cambridge where the King Anne Dom 1614. Marke 8. Luke 2 6. Reu. 1 13. sitting like Christ among the Doctors keeping an Act not of approbation but of admiration or rather like the Sonne of God in the similitude of the Sonne of Man amongst the golden Candlestickes a King like a Doctor opposing answering determining not in the Maiestie of his person of which hee did but shew the lineaments but in the beauty of his administration in which he did communicate light to euery disputer and glory to himselfe When that profound Schooleman his professour vpon the Question Whether the Pope had any power in temporall things as they tended to a spirituall good Obiected that the Pope had power in disposing and transferring dominions in prescribing the ciuill Lawes of Nations to Kings as S. Ambrose might to Theodosius vnder paine of Excommunication The summe of the answer being that it was not by ciuill authority Non politica authoritate sed medicina spirituali c. but as by a spirituall medicine not by the power of constraint but prescription not by authority but by Councell The King added Concionando non cogendo It pleased him further to vse these words Quaestio est vtrum Ambrosius iure fecit Vtrum exemplum cius sit lex Nego planè Ambrosij factum fuisse licitum nimis arroganter se gessit Ambrosius plusquam decuit in ea re Spoken like a King Leuit. 10. for Moses must speake when Aaron must hold his peace S Ambrose might perswade him to defer the punishment 30. daies after the or of the Grecians he could not constrain him nay a little further since man is onely aboue beasts but Kings are aboue men because they are Gods there is no way but by turning to a greater God Psal 82 6. whose childrē they are though they bee wicked yet they are children of the most highest strange children Psa 18 76. c strange because they let go Iustice but children because they keep the image of God therefore when S. Gregory gaue aduice to that murtherer Phocas which had slaughtered Mauritius with his Sonnes and his Brother euen then when he might read the impiety of the fact in the very nature of the plague that followed which killed them before they had any time to bee sicke Ex Iudel 6 lib 1 c 1 2. as hee