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A87723	The unlimited authority of Christs disciples cleared or the present church and ministery vindicated. Or Christs disciples authority for the practice of his commands is unlimitted. Being a brief answer to a book intituled (A sober Word to a serious people.) There the writer saith, Christ gave his commissions not to disciples as disciples, but to apostles. But here is by Scripture proved, that the authority & commissions, given to disciples, (as disciples considered) are of a far larger extent, then the authority of commissions given to apostles. Written by Thomas Kilcop.	Killcop, Thomas.	1651 (1651)	Wing K441; Thomason E1377_5; ESTC R209289	19,252	48

Ministry to this purpose is page 32 33 34 35 36 37. but the number of Saints being not yet perfected we may expect enlightning if we cry mightily page 38. 39. 40. I reply What he in 8 or 9 pages goeth to prove I grant to wit that this promise is conditional and so need not to wave such proofs but being so 1 Let us perform the condition and then expect the fullfilling of the promise 2 This is that condition that God hath engaged himself to work in his people he will teach the humble his way Psal 25.9 therefore though Gods foundation be sure yet we may question our being in this foundation if God teach us not his way 3 Because we are not so enlightned as we may be we should therefore walk by rule so far as we have attained Phil. 3.16 and though we come short of what we should do or hereafter may do yet heartily endeavouring God accepteth according to what we have Haggai 2.4.5 4. The best way for more light is to practice what we have John 7.17 and 8.31 which if we do not what we have will be lost though we cry we shall not be heard Prov. 1.28 5. Obj. We may not expect more Apostles for the last have been 1 Cor. 4.9 He answers 1. that the same word in Luke 14.9 is lowest 2 Be it last it is the last that hath been not that shall be for by whom shall Israel be gathered or Gentiles converted Jer. 32.37 38. and 22.3 Mark 13.10 Mat. 24.14 p. 41. I reply why not the last that shall be fore if Paul and others that Christ as you say else where singled out be the lowest who are the chiefest and if they be the last to wit that had been who were before them and so the first and if these as he saith be Church presceders and part of the foundation Christ being the chiefe Corner stone then the last that shall be for no other foundation may be laid nor this laid again who ever bringeth another Gospell then what hath beene brought is to be accursed Gal. 1. 1 Cor. 3. And others beside such personall Apostles have been imployed in gathering Jew and Gentile into the true fold Mat. 10. Act. 8. 11. why not again Obj. 6. Apostles writings may be called Apostls He ans In a figure they may Esay was a Prophet to the Eunuch into whose hands his prophecy came but he needed a guid and so do we and God that sent him one may send us one if he see our need c. I reply as he granteth we have the Apostles in their writings so I grant we need a guid but a guide directeth in wayes we know not and is uselesse in known wayes he knew not of whom the Prophet spake and so needed guiding but we know this and much more We know we should believe in Christ should pray should be baptized should assemble should teach heare break bread c. as God giveth ability and oportunity Secondly God himself will guide the meek in judgement he will teach the humble his way Psa 25.9 Obj. 7. Paul took care for Churches taught Timothy how to behave himself in the Church did also bid him teach the same things to faithfull men who might teach others also 2 Tim. 2.2 He ans True but Paul foretold a falling from it I reply and therefore he bids the truly Godly to contend earnestly for the faith that was once given them Obj. 8. May not the Saints being Kings by Christ restore worship as King Josiah did 2 2 King 22. He ans Such Lawes God gave Prince Moses Ex. 39 32.42.43 and Josuah types of Christ and David had a pattern of the Temple 1 Cor. 28. the Kings built and restored but the people though a royall priesthood Exo. 19.6 and kingly people 1 Cor. 16.12 went not to repaire without their King therefore the first builders should be restorers Christ administred once by himself then by Appostles but never by the people c. but by chosen men p 4● 45 Eph. 4.11 12. 1 Cor 12.29 Act. 10.41 furnisht with such a power and presence of Christ as declared them to be sent I reply as Christ hath administred by himself and his Apostles so also by the people to wit Disciples for first as hath been shown those to whom that generall and durable commission Mat. 28. was given were bid teach the Disciplised Nations or peoples to do the same things that themselves were taught to do and the Apostle Paul bids the people to follow him as he did Christ 1 Cor. 11. to the people he saith ye ought so to walk as you have us us Apostles for an example and Christ commends the people for trying and so finding them lyers which said they were Jews and were not Rev. 2. and who cast lots for an Apostle in Judas roome namely the people the men and brethren the Disciples Act. 1. yea to the Church or people Paul saith what soever you have heard and seen and learned and received of me those things do and the God of peace shall be with you Phil. 4.9 and so for restoring the people must contend earnestly for the faith streight wayes as Act. 13. that was once given Jud. 3. Christ bids the people repent and do their first work Rev 2.5 thus we see Christ hath not only administred by Apostles but also and equally by other Disciples and they when need is ought to restore worship and therefore when they do so they do it not without their King And though some of his quotations declare what Officers be in Christs universall Church as before minded yet not one saith he never administred by the people to wit Disciples Quest Is not the Apostles ministery as efficacious to possesse people of liberty and put them on their duty now as formerly sith they should teach Nations to observe what ever was commanded them Mat. 28. 2 Tim. 2.2 He premiseth that their Ministery was in word only or power 1 Thes 1.5 the power is outward or inward Act. 19.6 Rom. 15.18.19 Heb. 2.4 be it outward inward or both obedience is answerable Mat. 7.22 Luk 10.17 Gal. 5.22.23.26 2 Cor. 2.4 Then his answer is we are by their Ministery so far put on duty as it commeth with power 1 Cor. 1.5 2 Cor. 3.6 4.5 and though believers had the spirits demonstration yet are they not furnisht to obedience without power Luk 24 45.49 Act. 1 2 4 10.38 both ability to say thus saith Christ and authority so to say Act. 4.7 Mat. 9.6.8 I reply First it is in word only to them that obey it not and in power to those in whom it produceth obedience Secondly outward power of conformity may be without the inward but the inward is not without the outward If Gods Law be in the heart the tongue speaks to edifying the feet shun slyding Psa 37.31 Though some have the forme of Godlinesse that deny the power none have the power

that deny the forme Thirdly the power specified Thes 1.5 is not as he would have it visible gifts as tongues and miracles but it is what he by that place opposeth to wit reall and visible obedience Fourthly the power promised and waited for Luk 24.45 49. is not as he would have it the power of authority but of abillity Authority to pray preach chuse Officers and the like was given when that commission Math. 28 was given these they might do and did do while they waited therefore was their waiting for the power of ability to teach all Nations which they had not til tongues fell on them they had authority to Disciplise the Nations when the Commission so to do was given them but they must abide at Jerusalem til ability be also given He whose heart is Godward having abillity and oportunity wanteth not authority for as was shewn authority hath its residence among Disciples and so in this that he most glorieth in he mainly mistakes Quest Were not miracles rather to confirme the word then to witnesse persons being sent Heb. 2.4 He ans as to confirme the word Mar. 16 20 so also to witnesse persons being sent Christs works testified that the Father sent him Io. 5 36 11 42 20 21 and as the Father sent forth him so he sent forth them Jo. 17 18 Act 413 14 ●6 therefore their works testifie their being sent of Christ the signes of an Apostle were wrought among you 2 Cor 12 12. I Answer the people oposing Christ he tells them of severall that bore witnesse of him as first Iohn chap. 5. v 33. 2dly his works v 36 Thirdly the Father v 37. Fourthly the Scripture v 39 all these were witnesses of his being the Messiah that so by coming to him they might have life v 40 That miracles was among others one witnesse that Christ is the Messiah is true but that they were also appointed to witnesse who are the witnesses of Christ is false for Iohn who did bear witnesse of Christ wrought none Ioh. 10 41 also some that opose the truths of God have wrought miracles and shall againe Deuter. 13 1 2 3 Rev. 13 1● Ob. As he was sent so he sent them into be World Iohn 17 18. I answer though in some things these be sent as he was yet not in every thing not with miracles to witnesse that they are Messiahs as he was sent with miracles to witnesse himself to be the Messiah but as he was sent to bear witnesse to the truth so were they and so was Iohn who wrought not miracles as Christ did Secondly those sent by Christ into the world as he was sent into the World are not Apostles only ●or only miracle workers but other Saints those that were given him out of the World which received and kept his word which knew him to be sent of God as verse 6 7 8 even such as are not of the World as he is not of the world are the very persons that he sendeth into the world as he was sent into the world as v 14 16 17 18. Obj. But the signes of an Apostle were wrought among you I answer that miracles are not the Caracter of an Apostle was lately shewn Secondly this place would have proved it if the fol●owing words were not added with signes wonders and mighty deeds these signes and mighty deeds are an overplus to the signs of an Apostle Thirdly the same Apostle doth to the same people declare other things to be the signes of an Apostle as his having seen Christ and his having brought them into the direct wayes of Christ so in 1 Cor. 9.1.2 Am not I an Apostle am not I free have not I seen Jesus Christ our Lord are not ye my work in the Lord if I be not an Apostle to others yet doubtlesse I am to you for ye are the seal of mine Apostleship in the Lord here are Apostles Charactorized indeed even by the Apostle himself minded as ●●aractors without doubt Therefore would professed Christians trye again whether they have share in the Apostles ministery let them not try it by the miracles that the instruments of their good have wrought but whether the Doctrine taught them and the wayes they are brought into be indeed the truths and wayes of Christ as 2 Cor 13 verse 5. Question Gifts are to be improved for edification and how can it be orderly done out of a Church state He answers as the gift is so must be the improvement and where these are the Church is so glorious they need not take care how to improve them out of a Church Be it wisdome knowledge faith miracles healing prophesie c. or be it joy hope love and the like the spirit is not wanting to teach improvement p. 50. I reply by this rule exhortations and dehortations be in vain in vaine saith Paul stirre the gift that is in thee 2 Tim. 1 6 in vaine saith Peter let every man as he hath received the gift so administer 1 Pet. 4 10. in vain saith John these things I write to you that your joy might be full He answers further what was ever written is for our learning they in the Templestate and wildernesse are our types 1 Cor. 10 11 2 Cor. 6.16 Rev. 11 8. but some worship was to be in the Temple only Duter 12. but prayer private or publick should be in the land of their Captivity p. 50.51 1 King 1 44.50 51. c. 4 5 16 to teach us that now something is peculiar to a Church as binding and loosing c. I answer it hath been shewn first that we are a Church and that preaching and baptizing hath been by John out of a visible Church state though binding and loosing hath not He addeth some say we have truth others say we have builders and stones are at odds If the true ministery were on foot would this confusion be is not might therefore your vision and a rent your Girdle but God hath given us hope if we cry mightily I reply this declares it so with some but not withall when Michah and others contended the word of the Lord came to me saith one t is not so saith tother but Michah had the word of the Lord and night was not his vision Also that famous Gospell Church at Antioch contended about Circumcisition Act. 15. some had truth on their side but the Church could not distinguish and yet a Church of Christ still and as they had recourse to the Apostles and Elders at Jerusalem so may we to the Apostles writings and if need be to other Churches Ob. but saith he the builders and stones are at odds I reply So it was with Paul the Corinthians though he had beg it builded espoused them they questioned the truth of his Apostleship 1 Cor. 9.1 2 3. 2 Cor. 11 4 5 6 13.3 yet Paul a true an Apostle they a true Church and had the true ministery Obj. How shall