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A65358 The saints guide, or, Christ the rule, and ruler of saints manifested by way of positions, consectaries, and queries : wherein is contayned the efficacy of acquired knowledge, the rule of Christians, the mission and maintenance of ministers, and the power of magistrates in spiritual things / by Iohn Webster ... Webster, John, 1610-1682. 1654 (1654) Wing W1213; ESTC R17627 36,008 50

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The Saints Guide OR Christ the Rule and Ruler OF SAINTS Manifested by way of Positions Consectaries and Queries Wherein is contayned The Efficacy of acquired Knowledge The Rule of Christians The Mission and Maintenance of Ministers And the power of Magistrates in Spiritual things By IOHN WEBSTER late Chaplain in the Army LONDON Printed for Giles Calvert at the Black-spread Eagle at the West End of Pauls 1654. To all that love the Lord IESUS CHRIST in Truth and Sincerity Dear Souls BLessed be the God of mercies who hath satisfied my spirit that it is not the power of Argument the force of Dispute or Eloquence nor the efficacy of humane Reason that can more clearly make out the things that are freely given to us of God than they are by that Spirit that searches all things yea even the deep things that are of God in the experience of his Saints as they all witness having the same spirit opening unto them that Record which God gave of his Son Neither are these and poor weak things though we should not despise the day of small things made publick upon any such account but onely as it pleased the Lord to draw forth my spirit to give testimony with those Truths he had sealed in my breast against all the prejudice cenfures and unrighteous judgments of men For that immortal Spirit which raised Ies●s up from the dead and quickeneth the bodies of his Saints by its own light life power wisdom and strength worketh all in all in his people stands not in any need of the weak instrument of ●infull mans carnal and devilish wisdom For it is this Spirit that qu●ckeneth the flesh profiteth nothing Neither are the weapons of a believers warfare carnal but mighty in Christ not in us to the pulling down of strong holds and laying low of every imagination that stands up against Christ And also I have usually in experience observed that in laboring to make out the Truth by the force of our wit and arguments one carnal weapon is but set against another and so doth little else but engender strife and stir up passion so that Truth rather receives damage than profit by it And therefore the Scripture witnesseth that Saints should avoid foolish questions endless Genealogies and contentions with perverse disputings whereof cometh envy strife railyngs and evil surmisings And as the Lord in mercy hath cleared my spirit from these mysts so he hath led me forth to give my testimony with the rest of his Saints in behalf of his Cause and Truth against all perversness and unrighteousness of men For after the Lord about eighteen years ago had in his wonderfull mercy brought me to the sad experience of mine own dead sinfull lost and damnable condition in nature and fully shewed me the nothingness and helplesness of creaturely power either without or within me and graciously led me forth to witness with the Prophet David That he had drawn me forth of the horrible Pit and set my feet upon a Rock and established my goings And then and ever since carried me forth somtimes in much power somtimes in weakness according to the working of his own will to declare unto the sons of men what he had done for my Soul This no sooner appeared in me and others whom it pleased the Lord to reveal his Son in but the power of Babel in the Ministers of Satan transforming themselves into Ministers of Righteousness then in the Episcopal and Prelatical Form poured forth all their malice and spite against the Truth and against all those in whom it appeared then throwing dirt upon us and hotly raging in persecution against us in and under the terms of Puritans Seperatists Grindletonians and Antinomians And also continued the same bitterness in malice in the tail of the Dragon though then disguised under the name of Presbyterians and a new Form of pretended godliness by the former odious ●itles and addition of new as Libertines Blasphemers Sectaries and Hereticks and since hath not ceased under the new devices of Independency and Church-gathering keeping still the same appellations and super-adding of others as Dippers Quakers and indeed what not calling and accounting all others as Hereticks that were not of their Tribe and Trade Form and judgment and so the hierling merchants of Demetrius his Craft do still vociferate and continu it yet notwithstanding all their bloudy malice and insaciable envy the Lord hath delivered me and those that were his through his great mercy from the paws of all these devouring Lions and will still faithfully keep and preserve all his by his mighty power through faith unto salvation And now the Lord hath strengthened my spirit and hand to bear out my witness against all these and to manifest the same to you my dear brethren pertakers of the same heavenly calling and anointed with that spirit that teacheth all things and leadeth into all truth where there is neither Iew nor Greek bond nor free male nor female but are all one in Christ Iesus to the unity of whose Spirit he commends you who remains April 28. 1653. Yours in the Lord though the lowest and least of all Saints JO WEBSTER To all those that set up Forms and external Worship instead of the spiritual and those that call themselves the Ministers of the Nation Countrey-men IT is far from my purpose to asperse your persons or to condemn any of the least appearances of the Lord Iesus in you much less to oppose any thing that may tend to the building up of the spiritual and new Ierusalem Nevertheless the Lord hath put a few things in my mouth to speak unto you and some things in my spirit to inquire of you which I beseech you to receive in meekness as becometh th●se who have stiled themselves by the dear and precious name of Christians Hath the Spirit of Christ ever revealed in you or the record of his truth taught you that any Form of godliness how exact soever or any external worship or discipline though never so near the model that you may imagine is layd down in the Lette● of the Scriptures doth make a Saint where the life and power is altogether absent Or doth there appear in any of your gathered Congregations or select Forms the evident and pure power of spiritual self-denial and divine love Nay is it not as the Apostle foretels Having a Form of godliness but having denyed the power thereof Doth Pride Covetousness Censuring Envying Condemning nay murthering of others that follow not your Forms declare or evidence the power of godliness Is not he a murtherer that hateth his brother and therefore hath not eternal life abiding in him Or is there none a Brother but only he that is of your gathered Congregation Is this to worship the Father in spirit and truth or rather to worship ye know not what either at Jerusalem or pon some other Mountain The Lord open
confess the benefit of the same thinking it a small matter to give carnal things for spiritual Did ever the Apostles compel or declare it lawfull so to do any to lay down the price of their sold possessions at their feet but only received that which according to the motion of every ones spirit was voluntarily brought in unto them Or did they ever force any or declare it lawfull so to do to give them any carnal things but such as declared that they had rec●ived spiritual things and only somuch as their spirits were drawn out freely to give But you like Demetrius and the rest of the Silver-smiths of that Trade have long shouted and continue so still that great is your Diana of Ephesus and that if this truth I now hold ●orth should pr●vail your Shrine-making would be sp●iled your trade overthrown and your selves utterly undone who have nothing else to live by and therfore by your nois must needs provoke the multitude and if possible draw them on your side though you be never able to give an account of this your unlawful noise and tumultuous ●lam●r And I know you having so long time traded in this Merchandise and found therein what your souls lusted after cannot but weep and mourn to see it all destroyed and taken away and yet the day is hastening and the time is at hand The Lord therefore in the tenderness of his m●r●y give you to see that you are in Babylon and call you out from thence that you be not partakers of her sins and receive not of her plagues and that you may be brought into the Church of Christ which is his body to the eternal comfort of your souls and the praise of his glorious name April 28 1653. So prayeth the meanest of men J. W. Divers Positions and Quaeries propounded unto all those who being of different Judgments concerning the same are willing in love and meekness to give or take satisfaction I. Of Humane Learning BY Humane Learning I understand all that Science or knowledg that is or may be acquired by Natural power capacity and industry To the attaining of which the immediate concourse of Gods Spirit is necessary and the common grace of the holy Ghost requisite for the making men capable in divers measures to attain the said acquirements and this concourse or common grace I take with mans natural power and capacity inclusively and not dis-junctively And thus is Science by the Schoolmen divided into that which is acquired and that which is infused and this humane acquired Science I understand in the manner of acquisition stands divided and distinguished from that evidential and experimental knowledg which men partake of by the sending in inflowing and indwelling of the Spirit of Christ And in this sense the most knowing men understand and accept it That all this Humane Learning or acquired knowledg in its excellency and perfection cannot per se ex propriâ naturâ understand nor apprehend the mystery of the Gospel nor any way of its own nature can be advantagious unto it but is different from it even hurtfull and destructive unto the said end as may appear by these Arguments following The posse of it is clearly denyed The Natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God for they are foolishness unto him neither can he know them because they are spiritually disc●rned A natural man cannot know them by any natural power or acquisition But the man of the most and greatest acquired knowledg in the World is no more then a natural man For that which is born of the flesh is but flesh not spirit Therefore can he not understand the things of the Spirit of God they are otherwise discovered that is spiritually not carnally The esse of it or matter of Fact is as clearly denied Which none of the Princes of this world knew for had they known it they would not have crucified the Lord of Life And again for after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save those that believe So that neither the Princes of Learning either of the Jews or Gentiles did ever in their wisdom or learning know the mind of God in the Gospel nor we or those that come after us do or shall in all our wisdom ever know or understand it That Humane or worldly wisdom cannot know the mystery of the Gospel is clear because it is dissonant from and contrary to the pleasure and decree of the Almighty that it should effect any such end At that time Iesus answered and said I thank thee O Father Lord of heaven and earth because thou hast hidden these things from the wise and prudent and hast revealed them unto babes even so Father for so it seemed good in thy sight For it is written I will destroy the wisdom of the wise and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent Now that which is dissonant from and contrary to the purpose of God cannot effect that which he hath determined it shall not This would necessarily set up as it doth too much already a confidence in the flesh and a glorying in mans frail wisdom and dark cognition which is contrary to that end which God hath decreed in the saving of man For he hath chosen foolish things to confound wise and weak things to confound strong and thing that are not to confound things that are that no flesh should glory in his presence Therefore the knowledg of the Divine mysteries of the Gospel comes not by mans acquisition lest it should be said the Idol of his Learning had told him this And as it doth not nor can understand the mysteries of the Gospel but they seem foolishness unto it so all the wisdom of the flesh is at enmity with and destructive unto the way of knowing the truth nay even to the truth it self Because the carnal mind or the wisdom of the flesh is enmity against God and is not subject to the Law of God neither indeed can be So that every mind naturally though never so learned for no humane learning sanctifieth the mind is but a carnal mind and so is enmity against God and is not nor can be subject to his Law but is in truth and verity earthly sensual and devilish And if it be objected that though Humane Learning be an enemy to the Law of God while it is in a natural and unsanctified heart yet when the heart is once sanctified and truly turned to God then it becomes a sanctified instrument and a good handmaid to Theologie To this I answer that though the heart be truly sanctified in which human learning doth inhere as in its subject yet doth it not follow that learning it self is no more then sin can be said to be sanctified though the heart of a sinful man may be
these cases and not man that is and will be Iudge Again what Tares soever the envious man hath sown in the field of the world of lies falsities errors blasphemies heresies idolatrous and superstitious● worships are not to be weeded forth by every ●ervant nor by the Magistrate le●● they pluck up the wheat also but both must be let alone untill the harvest and then the Lord will send messengers that shall make a sepration Therefore the Magistrate ought not to meddle with the plucking out of the Tares of errors heresies false worships for therby usually the wheat is pluckt up and the tares left for the Saints of God have always been persecuted and slain under the pretence of rooting forth errors and destroying false ways of worship and under colour of doing God good service For it is evident that since the Magistrates have assumed to themselves the title of Christians and pretended power nay also will skil of promoting the cause of Christ of setting up forms professions and making Creeds Confession and Articles of Religion by the power of civill authority as also to eradicate errors heresies and false worship Antichrist hath by that means had his growth and increase Apostasie hath entred and prevailed Truth almost in all Ages hath been stissed and suppressed and the Saints persecuted and butchered as is too evident in Martyrologie and Church History And this is all the advantage that the truth of Christ ever gained or can have from the authority of men and the power of the world Also the record of truth doth witness that God in his unsearchable wisdom and providence hath decreed that heresies must come that those that are approved amongst his Saints may be made manifest and that it is of necessity that offences must come though there be a wo to those by whom they do come And therefore the power of man or Magistrates cannot frustrate the purpose of God but while they labour to do what belongs not unto them they become fighters against God and so are given up to blindness and because they believed not the truth are given over to believe lies Moreover this power hath been assumed by men Magistrates from no better a ground then the rotten foundation of infidelity pride out of infidelity in fearing and distrusting that God was not powerful and wise enough of himsef in his own spiritual strength to carry on and accomplish his own work without the wisdom and power of sinfull weak and vain man whose breath is in his nostrils and his help vain When the Kingdom and Cause of God is built onely upon himself that everlasting Rock of Ages and Christ is that Stone though refused of men is chosen of God and pretious and is become the chief in the corner Even that stone coming out of the Rock without hands and crushing in pieces all the Images of brass Iron or clay that ever the power of man erected or set up And it Proceeds out of pride man vainly thinking in his wisdom power to make the work of God more effectual then the Lord hath determined and by the rod of fear and terror to drive more into heaven then ever God hath decreed shall come there or to force them in sooner then his appointed time or by a door that he never opened not considering that the weakness of God is stronger then the strength of men and the foolishnesse of God wiser then the wisdom of men and that no man can come nor be driven unto Christ except the Father draw him Lastly the Magistrate pretending to be judge of the consciences of men doth usurp the place of God for God himself will immediatly reign there and none can perswade nor change a heart but God only for it is he that takes away stony hearts and gives hearts of flesh takes away the old gives new ones and no creaturely power is able to do it And also thereby many are forced to become hyporites and to sin against the light of their own conscience or else to undergo loss of goods or liberty bodily hurt or death which is cruel and tyrannical nay even against the law of Nature for who would desire to be compell'd against the light of his own conscience and therefore how unjust is it to compell anothers This may make a man a Prosselyte to say and profess with his mouth that which is contrary to the intent and belief of his heart and so to be twofold more the child of perdition then formerly Some obiect That the Jewish Magistrates had power to punish idolatry and blasphemy and why have not Magistrates amongst the Christians the like power 1. Because we are not under the same administration nor are their Laws obligatory to us For the Priesthood being changed there is made of necessity a change also of the Law 2. Because we have not the same means to instruct and direct us in giving judgment in such abstruse deep matters for they had extraordinary direction by the Vrim Thummim by their Prophets both of which we want we have none that can make fire come down from heaven as Elija did to confound Baals Prophets withall and therefore where there are not like premises there cannot be like conclusions Others object that there is a power that the Disciples had and exercised to cen●ure deliver to Satan as in case of Incest and of Hymeneus Philetus denying the resurrection and the Angel of the Church in Thyatira is threatned beacuse he had suffered Iezebel to ●each and seduce the servants of God and theref●re that there remains a coercive and punitive power if not in the Magistrates at least in the Ministers and Churches and therefore it is lawfull to exercise that 1. It is true that the Apostles and primitive Churches had by their directions a power to retain sins and to deliver to Satan but this was not an externall power of man or the sword but was spirituall and stood in the power of Christ for the Apostle saith In the name of our Lord Iesus Christ when ye are gathered together and my spirit with the power of our Lord Iesus Christ to deliver such an one to Satan for the d●struction of the flesh that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Iesus Now this was done in the power of Christ and so as no Church now can shew the like though they seem to imitate it 2. This was not done by inflicting any external punishment upon him but that the rest of the saints were to forbear such an ones company even to eat with him and consisted not in some violent thrusting out such an one from their houses or company but in withdrawing themselvs away from him for the Apostle warns and commands the believing Thessalonians in the name of our Lord Iesus Christ that they should withdraw themselvs
from every brother that walked disorderly and if any did not obey his word in that Epistle they should note such an one have no company with him that he might be a shamed 3. For that of the Angel of the Church in Thyatira it contains a very high great mystery more then mans wit can conceive by the letter yet it is clear that they should not have suffered her but what was it they should have restrained or resisted her withall not with carnall weapons for the Saints wear not such but with spirituall which were mighty and powerfull in Christ 2. Those rebuked there were such as had her doctrine and those threatned were such as had committed fornication with her and therefore by suffering her was to have embraced her doctrine but those that had it not nor had known the depths of Satan they were not reproved not threatned at all but exhorted only to hold fast untill Christ should come Consectaries There is nothing in the Gospel either in doctrine or practice that is distractive or destructive to the civil power nor any way hurtful or injurious unto men And therfore whatsoever doctrine or practice is destructive to Magistracy or tends to break the peace or injure any man the same hath no ground in the Gospel and is an evill that the Magistrate hath power to restrain and punish All the liberty that Christians have or can claim of or from the Magistrate is onely negative and permissive that they should not forbid hinder them to declare the things that God hath revealed in them and commanded them to utter nor prohibite them the way of their worship and serving of God The Magistrate hath an unquestionable power to restrain and punish every word and action of man that tends to the disturbance of the civil State or to the prejudice of others and is bound to uphold nothing of Christian Religion either with the sword or with mony or maintenance and therefore those that require pay from the State to uphold their Religion ought in that point so far to be restrained as to be denied it and none allowed them Then whatsoever a mans opinion or way of worship be if he live peaceably amongst men both in word and work and faithfully and obediently toward the Civil power the Magistrate ought without respect to his judgment or way of worship to protect and defend him and not at all to intermeddle with him in regard of either Queries If the Magistrate not having infallibility of judgment do by law establish one or more forms or Religion compell men to conform therunto may not one or all those be idolatrous and erroneous and some way not allowed by law be the onely way of truth in Christ Can a Magistrate drive more into heaven then the Father hath determined to draw thither or can he be wiser then the Spirit of Christ to teach and direct men the way to eternall life Doth any form of religion necessarily entail the grace of God upon those that walk in it Or can any form keep out the Spirit and Grace of God when it will enter Doth any power of the Magistrate really and truly change the heart though it make the tongue confess and the person in external worship conform to the Form and Religion established Is it not against the law of Nature and the light imprinted in us to do that to another we would not have done to our selves to compell another when we would not be compelled If any out of tenderness of conscience lowliness of mind or love of the truth desire further satisfaction in the particulars handled herein I shall be willing as far as the Lord in mercy shall enable me either by conference or otherwise to give them what content and assistance lies in my power If any one be unsatisfied with the truths herein contained and judge them unsound or erroneous and so have a desire to confute them or argue against them I only intreat them plainly and fully to make it manifest out of what principle they speak whether from the Spirit of truth or from the ground of Human learning and Reason and according to the presence of the Lord with me they shall receive a responsion FINIS Zach. 4. 10. 〈…〉 Iohn 6. 63. 2 Cor. 1● 1. 〈…〉 〈…〉 Psalm 40. 2. 〈…〉 2 Cor. 1. 10. 1 Pet. 1. 5. Gal 3. 28. 2 Tim. 3. 5. ● Iohn 3. 14 15. Iohn 4. 21 22 ●3 24. Mark 9. 38 39 40. ●mes 4. 11 12. ● Cor. 4. 12. Iude 9. 1 Cor. 13. 3. 2 Cor. 13. ● Matth. 15. 13. Matth. 16. 18. Iohn 18. 36. Matth. 7 24 25 26 27. Ma●t● 9 36 3● 38. Gal. ● 1. 11 12 John 15. 16. Matth. 7. 6. 10. 29. 2 Cor. ● 6. I Iohn 2. 27. Heb. 8. 11. Iohn 1● 13. Matt● 10. 19 20. Iohn 7. 8 3● Psalm 115. 5● 7. Jer. 2. 13. 2 Cor. 10. 4. 2 Cor. 3. 5. 1 Cor. 9. 16. Mic. 3. 11. Position 1. Position 2. 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 Argum. 2. 〈…〉 〈…〉 Argum. 3. Matth. 11 25 20. ● Cor. 1. 19 20 Argum. 4 1 Cor. 1. 27 28 29. Argum 5 Rom. 7. 8. Jam. 3. 15. Object 1. Solution 〈◊〉 8. 2● Ob●ect 2. Soluti●● ●ohn ● 63. 〈…〉 Consect. 1 2 Pet. ● 16. Acts 4. 13. 〈…〉 Consect. 2 Ma●●h 15. 14. Mat. 23. 13. Consect. 3 M●t. 16. 17 Query 1 Query 2. Query 3. Query 4. Position 1. 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 Argum. 2. 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 Posicion 5 Argu● 1 Rom. 8 9 1● 1 Iohn 2 27. 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 Argum. 2. 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 A●gum 3. Luke 1. 75. 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 Argum. 4 〈…〉 Argum. 5. 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 Argum. 2. 〈…〉 〈…〉 2 Pet. 1. 18 〈◊〉 〈…〉 Argum. ● 〈…〉 〈…〉 Argum. 4. 〈…〉 Object 1 〈…〉 1 Tim. 4. 14. Acts 13. 3. 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 Argum. 2. Luke 5. 13. Mark 1. 41. Act. 3. 7. Act. 5. 12. Mat. 19. 13 14 15. Act. 1● 3. Act 〈…〉 Tim 4 14 Act 8 1● Argum. 3. Act. 8 2 14 15 1● 17 〈…〉 ● Tim. 1. 6 7. Acts 2. 4. 〈…〉 Acts 8. 12 1● ●5 〈…〉 Acts 11. 15 ●6 17. Argum. 4. Acts 9. 2● 29. Gal 1. 18 2● 23. Argum. 5. 2 Cor. 3. 5. 6. Mar 9. 38. Rom. 56. 21. 1 Cor. 16. 10 2 Cor. 8. 23. 〈…〉 〈…〉 Thes. 3. 2. Acts 20. 28. 1 Pet. 5. 2 3. Argum. 6. Col. 1. 26. Acts 1. 7. Rev. 9. 3 ● Consect. ● Iohn 〈…〉 6 10. 〈…〉 Consect. 2. 〈…〉 Q●ary 1. Query 2. Query 3. 1 Cor. 12. 3. Position 1. Argum 1. 1 Cor. 9. 6 ● 8 9 14. Position 2. Argum. 1 H●b. 4. 14. H●b. ● 6 9 12. Argum. 2. 〈…〉 Argum. 3. Acts 4 34 35 36 39. Acts 5. 4. Argum. 4. 〈…〉 1 Cor. 9 15 16 17 18. Object 1. Solution Argum. 1. Rom. 2 28 29 Argum. 2. Joh. 18. 36. Matth. 6. 33. 2 Cor. 5. 7. Argum. 3. Conset 1. 〈…〉 〈…〉 Consect. 2. 〈…〉 〈…〉 Matth. 6. 32. Consect. 3. Query 1. Query 2. Query 3. Query 4. Position Argum. 1. Rom. 2 14 15. Argum. 2. Rom. 13. 1 2 3 4 5 6. 1. Pet. 2. 13. 1 Tim. 2. 1 2. Position 2. Argum. 1. Mat. 20● 20. 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28. Mat. 12 38. 3● Argum. ● Argum. 3. 〈…〉 〈…〉 Argum. 4. 〈…〉 Argum. 1. Acts 1● 26. 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 Argum 2. 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 Position 3. Argum. 1. 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 1 Cor. 10. 18. 〈…〉 Argum. 2 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 Argum. 3. 〈…〉 Argum. 4. 1 Cor 11. 19. Mat. 18 ●● 〈◊〉 〈…〉 〈…〉 Dan 2. 34. 1 Cor. 1. 25 Iohn 6. 44 Argum. 6. Ezek. 18. 31. 11. 19. Object 1 Solution Heb. 7. 12. Object 2. Rev. 2. 20. Solution 1 Cor. ● 4. 5. 1 Cor. 5. 11. 2 Thess. 3. 6. 14. Rev. 2. 22 24 25. Consect. 1. Consect. 2. Consect. 3. Consect. 4. Query 1 Query 2. Query 3. Query 4. Query 5. Request 1 Request 2.