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A26964 The nonconformists advocate, or, A farther account of their judgment in certain things in which they are misunderstood written principally in vindication of A letter from a minister to a person of quality, shewing some reasons for his nonconformity, modesty answering the exceptions of two violent opposers of the said reasons. Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. 1680 (1680) Wing B1318; ESTC R1328 72,144 90

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