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A85071 The Faithfull narrative of the late testimony and demand made to Oliver Cromwel, and his powers, on the behalf of the Lords prisoners, in the name of the Lord Jehovah (Jesus Christ,) king of saints and nations. Published by faithful hands, members of churches (out of the original copies) to prevent mistakes, and misreports thereupon. To the faithful remnant of the Lamb, who are in this day of great rebuke and blasphemy, ingaged against the beast and his government, especially, to the new non-conforming churches, and saints in city and country, commonly called by the name of fifth monarchy men. Horton, Hur. 1655 (1655) Wing F278; Thomason E830_20; ESTC R207450 41,484 44

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given a banner to them that fear thee that it may be displayed because of the truth Selah Besides we do not as the Court-Christians set our Diall by the Clocks of the time for so both would go false but rather set the Clocks that strike now adayes by the Dials of truth and according to the Testimony of good Consciences and then the Sunne that is now risen with glorious rayes lustre and appearance in this age will show us the time of the day and what we have to do like the Children of Issachar 1 Chron. 12.32 to keep all True and to make the Clocks and Dials to center in one period of hour and time As Christ our Sun appears we hope to appear with him and to rise with him and shine with him and sit with him on thrones to Judge those that have and do Judge us every day Jude 14 15. Rev. 20.4 though this be their day yet we are sure to have our day to Judge them and then that question they are so cranck in shall be put out of question viz. whether we are busie-bodies in other mens matters that Christ and his Messengers have nothing to do with or in Christs matters that all true Christians have and ought to have to do with all that are followers of the Lamb and for which matters of Christ and all Saints against the Beast our dear Brethren are so barbarously abused persecut●d plundered and imprisoned and for which we with them through the grace of our Lord Jesus are resolved to stand whether by life or by death And this we are sure of by experience however they unworthily censure us as a blind man would not believe there was a Sun because he saw it not though some effects might have convinced him so some effects we hope in the Lord shal lere long convince them that we suffer for the pure Testimony of a good conscience and meerly for Christ and his Interest and not for any man Men Thing or Interest whatsoever that is on Earth This conscience feasts us with very excellent viands from above which we believe no caterer in the Court can provide their Great Masters withal but theirs is like to have but sowr Sawce though it be out-landish-like as when Chirurgions open the dead bodies of Epicures they find many indigested crudities so will the Ancient of dayes ere long when he sits to anatomize dissect and rip up their Consciences find many a foul crudity viz. the sculs blood and bones of thousands of the Saints to stick there But the Lord have mercy upon them for the Plague is begun if they be not past recovery or true Repentance But if they be then the Righteous and Holy just God who is our God will appear against them and their interest speedily powerfully and effectually according to all the Faith Tears and Appeals of his poor Worm Jacob in whose hand we believe will be the New threshing Instrument visibly are long And then this contemptible testimony or course Barley-Cake of Truth will tumble from the Gideon Campe and smite down all their Tents according to the Faith and Prayer of Christ's and his poore Remnants despised Servants To do or to suffer to live or to die with them in this most glorious though clouded precious though Persecuted Cause of CHRIST JESUS Hur Horton Christopher Crayle Hugh Day Edward Grove John Pugh John Durden Samuel Bradley William Bragg William Medley Francis Young James Wilson Daniel Ingoll List up a Banner upon the high mountain exalt the voice unto them shake the hand that they may go into the Gates of the Nobles I have commanded my sanctified ones I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger even them that rejoyce in my Highnesse Isa 13.2,3 A faithfull Narrative to the faithful Remnant round the Nation the new Non-conformist-Churches and Saints in City and Countrey that go under the name of fifth Monarchy-men THE Hope we have of fair weather arises from the Rainbow in the Cloud though the Cloud be black the Sun is up and looks ●ull upon it which hath produced divers colours put the poore Saints hard upon faith grones and prayers to make up that tremendous Judgement and dreadful Thunderbolt that must fall out of this black Cloud and which begins to rattle already over the heads of the present Persecutors as Rev. 4. and the 5. From the throne of the Lamb goeth thunders and voyces so in Chapter 8 and the 5. The Angel cast the Censer for he was before the throne full of fire and incense viz. the Faith and Prayers of the poore persecuted Saints into the earth and there were voices and thunderings and lightnings and an Earthquake chap. 16.18 and 19.6 and it is well known the new Non-Conformists round the nation are at it day and night c. filling this Censer full and before the Throne giving the Lord no rest and though many have been as dead as dry bones yet they begin to gather Sinews apace now and are like may we speak it without Alaraming the New Court to be an exceeding great Army for the witnesses are warm and begin to stir and benummed senses by use get life apace so that the Remnant of the womans Seed are like to have their hands full Ere long and long they think it among them are those despised ones of the Lord that walk in fellowship with Mr. Rogers now prisoner for the Testimony of Jesus at Lambeth who after several solemn dayes and whole nights did find it a present duty incumbent upon them and preparative to future to go to Whitehall the revived Court and demand the Lords prisoners and bear their Testimony against these in present powers for their grosse sins and Apostacies which the whole Body agreed unto not one dissenting with a loud Suffrage of Joy and alacrity blessing the Lord that they should be honoured by the Lord Jesus as to be called to this Testimony for his suffering Truth and Saims at this day They sought the Lord earnestly two whole nights herein though the first night they were disturbed by some rude abusive Ruffians that seemed Zealots for their Protector they roughly handled scurrilously miscalled and abused some of the Brethren that they hurried them away from Prayer to prison for night-prayers are reputed dangerous and disturbful to the Court interest yet for all that they kept another night to have directions from the throne in the management of so high and noble a Message and that they might not in the least dishonour the dear name of the Lord Jehovah nor the cause and Kingdome of Jesus Christ that now suffers So after they found much of Gods presence and many sweet promises to apply and concluded unanimously upon the number of twelve which is the Lambs number against the Beast and the Root and square number of the hundred fourty four thousand in Rev. 14. to deliver the Message in trust to Oliver Cromwel in person in the name of the great
accusing the good * So that the accusers of she good and grace of God is on that side by the informers and persecutors or grace of God but not for accusing evil or declaring against sin the evils of Apostacy persecution or the like but if you will read the Articles you may yet expect not a word of answer from me unlesse it be in an open and legal Court before a competent and fit Judge which you are not my Lord nor those about you but those things which are my due Right granted I am ready to answer them in Westminster-Hall where I believe the Lords remnant who are one with me in this caus will stand by me and at last you can have but a poor carcasse that is every day dying yet I am resolved with the help of God not to throw a way my life nor to betray this blessed cause so as to answer to I know not what Spurious and forged informations or charge in a Chamber grounded on malice or that which is worse nor will I be tried in Hugger-mugger but if I have offended it is fit I should have open Justice O.P. Who tries you and who sayes it is a Charge who calls it a charge I say not so and see before you bear them you call them Spurious with that he takes up one that was titled from Lambeth and was going to read somewhat One Abdy the chief informer that very day be came with his Keeper to look for his reward he was stabbed in Fleetstreet being imprisoned for Blasphe any Adultery Ranting Atheisme and the most horrid sins that ever were beard of R. Yea and I have good grounds so to do seeing they come from such kind of Informers as they are Then O.P. read one Article from Lambeth as that he should call him Oliver Cromwel that great dragon that fits at Whitehall pull him cut c. Ro. There is such stuffe as I abhor to have in my mouth but I shall for bear to answer and for that it is not worth the answering to O.P. These things will be proved B.H. One of the Twelve We desire the things our Brother Rogers suffers for may be publickly known to all for we apprehend he suffers for the Truth and the things which you hear you may that be misinformed in Ro. Therefore let me have a fair Hearing in a legal Court and I hope the Lord wil make me ready for what ever I must suffer right or wrong if it must be so but yet I tell you my Lord I fear not any thing that you can lay against me justly and honestly but the truth is you take up any thing that your Informers can handsomely patch together who like the devil take a bit here and a bit there that makes for their turn and you take it as it lies for granted presently O my Lord I cannot but mourn for you and your condition which is sad and to be bewailed and the rather for that you have so many about you who for their own ends to get the world into their hands do deceive you but the Lord will judge righteously ere long I am sure and let appear whether you or we have the best bottome to bear us up for I blesse the Lord the comforter is with me I think my condition through grace though a poor prisoner a great deal better than yours I would not change with you O.P. Well well you are known well enough and what spirit you are of we know you and to call your sufferings for Christ when they are for evil-doing is not wel yea it is blaspemy yea I say blasphemy again for all your * M. Rog. amazed at such language again lifted up his band and eys towards heaven appealing to God to judg righteously lifting up of your eys and I tell you yea you that in a good box of ointment a little thing a dead flie may spoil all yea a little flye Ro. I dare not my Lord justifie my self in my infirmities but I blesse the Lord I can apply Christs merits I beseech you speak not so reproachfully of the spirit of God to call it fanatick or an evil-spirit for that is blasphemy so to do see Isa 63.10 neither call evil good or good evil for that is prevarication Isa 5.20 that which you judge Evil-doing the Lord judgeth well doing and my duty yet I must tell you the Lord never made you a Judge over our Faith nor of his Scripture whereof you take upon you O P. Well you know that the time was there was no great difference betwixt you and me I had you in my ey and did think of you for imployment and preferment you know it well enough Ro. True my Lord and then you could say to me you thought no man in England so fit but since the case is altered indeed but I pray consider who it is is changed surely it must be conscience that makes me suffer then through so many temptations as I have met with and I have often said let me be convinced by good words that I am an Evil-doer as you said and I would lay my Neck under you feet for mercy but till then I must keep my conscience One of the Grandees as we take it it was G. Desborough saies let the Informations be read let them be heard and then Scobell was called to read them not those from Lambeth but those that were * brought in from Tho. Apostle The Informations from Tho. Apostles read from what Mr. Rogers prayed what he preached and what they sang in Hymnes what he prayed was for the Prisoners of the Lord at Winsor and against the Tyranny of all Antichristian Powers and to that purpose and that God would hasten his Vials out upon them What he preached was out of Mat. 5. Agree with thine adversay Christ quickly The Articles against Mr Ro as well as they could be taken and be observed Appostateadulterate professors must agree quickly with Christ their Adversary applying it to the present Powers as such proving they break the 10. Commandements As the 1. In setting up Idols again a golden Calf so the Army and fleshly strength and the like are idolized whilest men say these are the gods that brought us up out of Egypt 2. Command is Graven images and so are the Tryers and high Court Commissioners such the inventions and graven images of mens making with their Seals Parchments black boxes and pick-locks * These Articles are many of them sals for matter and form as can be made appear by hundreds Padlocks and Keys for your Hog-sties Pig sties and Goose-stals 3. Command Take not my name in vain c. Such as have broke all their Declarations Ingagements and abused his Attributes using that name of God for their own ends are guilty of this 4. Command Remember that thou keep holy the c. speaking of soul-rest and saying that the present Powers kept not the Sabbath
blood of Jezreel shall be upon the house of Jehu though Jehu did obey the Lord in doing Justice on Ahab and Jezabel yet because he fell into the same predicament of sin walking in the same steps of evil which Ahab walked in the very blood of them sell upon his head O.P. Your spirit is to Judge but I regard not your words look you to your Conscience and I will look to mine yet for that of Jehu Why what was that for it was for fear lest the people should go back again to the House of David and so he was running into the story of Jeroboam and to Jerusalem but he was corrected Then Kiffen said it is so then said Mr. Rogers it is not so of Jehu but of Jeroboam which he speaks of then he corrected himself and said well but Jehu can you parallel it now Why his heart was hypocriticall and by policy clave to the same sin of his Predecessors and Baal again to please the people Ro. True my Lord and is it not so now O.P. Hah saith he and turned about to his Army men and so he spake of the Army too what can you say of them Ro. I say they are an Appostate Army that have most perfidiously betrayed the cause of Christ broken their faith in so many Declarations and Engagements and are odious to the Saints yea the very name of them will be odious to the children that are yet unborn With that the Army-men for many Officers were by were sorely vexed some grating their teeth and laying heads together O.P. I tell you saith he in a chafe I tell you and you that they have kept them all to a tittle not one of you can make it appear that they have broke one Declaration or Engagement or a tittle of one prove it if you can any of you Ro. Mr. Rogers did earnestly presse for liberty to instance in some and with much ado said My Lord if you would have patience I would instance in many they scoff again O.P. Am I impatient then let them that stand by see nay it is you are so full like the Pamphleters Ro. They that write Pamphlets now never printed more lyes and blasphemies since the world stood O.P. I think so too Ro. But my Lord if you please to let me speak for if I be extream is not passio concupiscibilis as we see in some men who speak all for themselves whilest we seek onely for Christ and his kingdome but rather a passio irascibilis which it may is my weaknesse but sure it is my indignation to sin and self and that which I see set up instead of Christ but if you * For there were many postures 〈◊〉 actions tending to disturb and interrupt him will give me leave I will instance in Declarations as that in 47. for one page 9. where they Declare against any Authority or Absolute power in any Person or Persons what soever during life saying the people so subjected were meere Slaves and that you would not have it so in any no not in any of your own Army or of your own Principles nor yet of whom you might have most personall assurance and that it was no resisting of Magistracy to side with just principles and much more to that purpose Besides in severall others as in Albans and that when the Army went to Scotland against the Clergy and Tithes But Master Rogers was interrupted and not suffered to insist on any others O.P. And who Hear me Who Who I say bath broken that Where is an Arbitrary or Absolute power nay hear me Where is such a Power Ro. Is not the Long-sword such By what Law or Power are we put into prison my brother Feak above these 12 months I above 28 weeks and several others of our Brethren and we know not for what to this day which I say again is worse yea worse then the Romane Law And is not this Arbitrary And is not your Power with the Armies Absolute to break up Parliaments and do what you will But if you please let me instance in others But they would not suffer him One of the Army some say L.C. W. Sir saith he to Mr. Ro. you say the Army have broken all their Engagements Ro. Yea every one of them and if they make another Declaration they will hardly be believed again by good people L.C. W. But I pray by what Rule do you resist Powers set up of God Ro. Sir you are mistaken we do not resist such as are set up of God but we resist sin in all men and as Luther said Invaniar sane superbus c. I may be accounted proud mad or any thing but be it so ne modo impii silentii arguar dum Christus patitur rather then I be guilty of the sin of Silence * But Mr. Ro. was interrupted and forced to break off whiles O. P. proceeded O. P. Now for the Army they are resolved not to rest till they have performed all they engaged and they are about it as fast as they can do it in order And much to that purpose he spake But then Mr. Her desired to speak B. Her I desire to speak a word O. P. Well do Mr. Her That Gentleman meaning L.C. W. asked by what Rule we resist powers We desire then to be satisfied by what Rule you resisted the King and warred against him and his adherents and destroyed the Governments before seeing they were accounted too a lawful Authority And consider how much blood cries under the Altar How long O. Lord holy and true O. P. Would undertake to answer by a long Narrative of the peoples grievances the Kings absolute power and his seeking to destroy his subjects till they were forced to take up Arms for their own defence so that it was a defensive War and the former powers had broken their Engagements and forfeited their trust Much more was spoken by one or other thereto But saith he looking upon Mr. Ro. Ha! O. P. I see he is full to speak Ro. Yea. my Lord I am for ex concessis our controversie is decided and the Case is plain on our side and seems so now more then even The Controversie cleared out of their own mouthes for do not the poor people of God seel a Preragative-interest now up As the old Non conformists or the good old Puritans were persecuted imprisoned reproached and denied protection from men and therefore were forced to flie to God by faith and prayer and tears day and night 1. not ceasing till the vial of wrath was poured out upon the beads of the King and his Prelates so I say the new Non-conformists are abused disowned and denied protection persecuted imprisoned banished and forced day and night yea thousands of them in City and Country to their faith tears prayers and appeals which are the Bombar da Christianorum and will prevail as sure as God is in heaven to bring down the next hot scorching vial of