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A06347 An excellent and plaine discourse of the church, whereby the godlie may knowe and discerne the true Church, from the Romish Church, and all other false and counterfet churches, as well for matters of doctrine, as discipline, &c. Written in Frenche by M. Bartrand de Loque, a godlie minister of Dolphenine. And faithfully translated into English, by M.T.W. Seene and allowed; Traité de l'eglise. English Loque, Bertrand de.; T. W. (Thomas Wilcox), 1549?-1608. 1582 (1582) STC 16813; ESTC S103377 172,896 422

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wherefore_o whatsoever_o we_o shall_v find_v in_o they_o conformable_a and_o agreeable_a to_o the_o proportion_n of_o faith_n and_o agree_v with_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o holy_a scripture_n we_o ought_v to_o receive_v the_o same_o without_o any_o scruple_n or_o doubt_n but_o if_o they_o propound_v unto_o we_o and_o set_v out_o thing_n contrary_a to_o that_o we_o ought_v and_o we_o may_v without_o any_o difficulty_n or_o danger_n reject_v and_o refuse_v they_o as_o suspect_v and_o dangerous_a doctrine_n for_o as_o saint_n jerome_n have_v sometime_o say_v jerem._n hieron_n in_o 9_o cap._n jerem._n we_o ought_v not_o to_o follow_v the_o error_n of_o our_o father_n and_o predecessor_n but_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o scripture_n and_o the_o commandment_n of_o god_n who_o teach_v us._n 5._o gerson_n par_fw-fr 1._o the_o exam_n doctrine_n abbas_n panormita_n epist_n de_fw-fr electia_fw-la one_o &_o elect_v potest_fw-la cap._n 5._o whereupon_o also_o gerson_n and_o panormitan_n have_v conclude_v that_o in_o matter_n which_o concern_v faith_n the_o pope_n and_o his_o bishop_n may_v not_o determine_v and_o decree_v any_o thing_n against_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o that_o if_o a_o general_a council_n shall_v come_v so_o far_o as_o to_o decline_v and_o go_v aside_o either_o through_o malice_n or_o through_o ignorance_n of_o the_o gospel_n a_o simple_a man_n allege_v in_o that_o council_n the_o word_n of_o god_n ought_v rather_o to_o be_v hear_v and_o yield_v unto_o then_o all_o they_o let_v we_o enter_v or_o come_v now_o to_o our_o advice_n and_o let_v we_o bring_v forth_o and_o allege_v our_o reason_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o church_n may_v err_v the_o first_o reason_n be_v this_o that_o great_a company_n of_o the_o people_n of_o israel_n which_o be_v in_o the_o wilderness_n with_o who_o god_n have_v make_v a_o covenant_n and_o have_v make_v they_o bind_v unto_o he_o by_o a_o infinite_a number_n of_o benefit_n and_o good_a turn_n &_o have_v give_v unto_o they_o sacrament_n and_o ceremony_n which_o be_v as_o it_o be_v visible_a sign_n of_o his_o grace_n that_o great_a company_n i_o say_v be_v a_o very_a goodly_a and_o a_o very_a excellent_a church_n but_o they_o be_v vile_o deceive_v and_o err_v foul_o when_o forsake_v the_o commandment_n they_o make_v unto_o themselves_o a_o golden_a calf_n offer_v and_o give_v unto_o it_o that_o honour_n which_o be_v due_a to_o god_n alone_o yea_o and_o aaron_n himself_o the_o high_a priest_n do_v not_o so_o constant_o and_o bold_o withstand_v they_o as_o he_o ought_v but_o rather_o consent_v thereto_o indeed_o wherefore_o it_o follow_v that_o the_o church_n may_v err_v and_o be_v deceive_v the_o second_o reason_n the_o church_n in_o old_a time_n do_v offer_v and_o give_v the_o holy_a supper_n to_o little_a infant_n stay_v and_o ground_v themselves_o upon_o the_o place_n of_o saint_n john_n except_o you_o eat_v the_o flesh_n of_o the_o son_n of_o man_n 9.15_o john_n 9.15_o &_o drink_v his_o blood_n you_o have_v no_o life_n in_o you_o and_o this_o custom_n be_v in_o use_n in_o the_o time_n of_o pope_n innocent_a saint_n cyprian_n and_o saint_n augustine_n as_o it_o appear_v by_o their_o write_n but_o now_o this_o be_v not_o any_o more_o use_v for_o child_n which_o can_v not_o prove_v and_o examine_v themselves_o be_v not_o at_o this_o day_n receive_v to_o the_o partake_n of_o the_o sacrament_n wherefore_o the_o church_n in_o old_a time_n have_v err_v or_o else_o it_o err_v now_o but_o if_o we_o will_v answer_v that_o the_o church_n have_v power_n and_o authority_n to_o change_v such_o custom_n and_o manner_n i_o reply_v to_o the_o contrary_a for_o now_o the_o question_n be_v not_o here_o of_o a_o thing_n indifferent_a in_o the_o use_n but_o of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n which_o be_v always_o constant_a and_o not_o subject_a to_o any_o change_n as_o to_o say_v that_o to_o day_n it_o have_v one_o sense_n and_o understanding_n &_o to_o morrow_n another_o wherefore_o if_o the_o place_n of_o s._n john_n command_v to_o give_v the_o supper_n to_o little_a infant_n of_o necessity_n as_o the_o forename_a ancient_a father_n have_v understand_v and_o expound_v the_o same_o the_o church_n have_v ●one_n well_o in_o time_n heretofore_o to_o follow_v that_o commandment_n and_o at_o this_o time_n it_o err_v in_o not_o follow_v it_o any_o long_o or_o else_o if_o the_o say_a place_n be_v not_o to_o be_v refer_v proper_o unto_o the_o holy_a supper_n neither_o command_v to_o distribute_v and_o give_v the_o sacrament_n to_o infant_n but_o it_o be_v of_o necessity_n require_v that_o he_o to_o who_o we_o must_v administer_v the_o say_a sacrament_n have_v knowledge_n to_o try_v and_o examine_v himself_o according_a to_o saint_n paul_n doctrine_n 1.2_o 1._o cor._n 1.2_o as_o indeed_o this_o be_v the_o pure_a and_o only_a truth_n it_o follow_v then_o that_o the_o church_n have_v in_o former_a time_n err_v to_o admit_v little_a infant_n to_o the_o holy_a supper_n and_o that_o at_o this_o day_n it_o do_v well_o to_o practice_v the_o contrary_n the_o three_o reason_n if_o the_o church_n can_v not_o err_v saint_n paul_n have_v without_o cause_n fear_v 11.28_o 1._o cor._n 11.28_o lest_o the_o corinthian_n who_o he_o call_v a_o church_n shall_v through_o the_o subtlety_n of_o the_o serpent_n be_v corrupt_v 11.3_o 2._o cor._n 11.3_o and_o turn_v away_o from_o the_o simplicity_n that_o be_v in_o christ_n and_o indeed_o in_o vain_a shall_v he_o have_v call_v the_o assembly_n of_o the_o corinthian_n and_o galathian_o 1.2_o gala._n 1.2_o church_n which_o yet_o notwithstanding_o err_v in_o doctrine_n in_o faith_n in_o manner_n and_o in_o life_n but_o saint_n paul_n do_v nothing_o of_o all_o this_o without_o cause_n or_o in_o vain_a otherwise_o saint_n paul_n himself_o shall_v have_v be_v deceive_v wherefore_o it_o follow_v that_o the_o church_n may_v err_v the_o four_o reason_n those_o that_o can_v err_v have_v no_o need_n of_o the_o forgiveness_n of_o sin_n but_o the_o church_n have_v need_n of_o the_o forgiveness_n of_o sin_n for_o jesus_n christ_n give_v it_o a_o form_n of_o prayer_n have_v command_v it_o to_o demand_v and_o ask_v of_o god_n 6.12_o mat._n 6.12_o forgiveness_n of_o their_o sin_n wherefore_o it_o follow_v that_o the_o church_n may_v err_v the_o five_o reason_n the_o church_n which_o be_v in_o old_a time_n in_o jerusalem_n be_v oftentimes_o reprove_v of_o error_n by_o the_o prophet_n which_o thing_n declare_v that_o the_o church_n be_v not_o in_o this_o world_n without_o will_n and_o deed_n to_o err_v but_o to_o the_o end_n i_o may_v not_o be_v overlong_o in_o recite_v by_o piecemeal_o and_o as_o it_o be_v one_o by_o one_o all_o the_o sentence_n which_o make_v mention_v of_o the_o fall_v of_o the_o church_n let_v man_n read_v that_o which_o be_v write_v thereof_o in_o these_o place_n touch_v the_o corruption_n of_o the_o church_n see_v isaiah_n 1._o verse_n 21._o to_o the_o 24._o verse_n isaiah_n isaiah_n isaiah_n 3._o for_o 8.9_o isaiah_n 5.13_o isaiah_n 30._o verse_n 9_o to_o the_o 13._o ver_fw-la isaiah_n 59_o for_o 2._o unto_o the_o 17._o ver_fw-la isai_n 64._o ver_fw-la 6.7_o jere._n 2_o ver_fw-la 5._o jeremiah_n jeremiah_n to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o chap._n jere._n 3._o ver_fw-la 2.3.20_o jere._n 4._o ver_fw-la 22._o jeremiah_n 5._o for_o 1._o unto_o the_o 15._o ver_fw-la and_o afterward_o from_o the_o 19_o ver_fw-la to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o chapter_n jere._n 6._o ver_fw-la 7._o unto_o the_o 11._o ver_fw-la jeremiah_n 8._o for_o 4._o unto_o the_o 11._o ver_fw-la jeremiah_n 9_o for_o 3._o unto_o the_o 17._o ver_fw-la jeremiah_n 13._o verse_n 10._o unto_o the_o 15._o verse_n jeremiah_n 22._o even_o unto_o the_o end_n jeremiah_n 16._o ver_fw-la 11.12_o jeremiah_n 18_o ver_fw-la 13._o unto_o the_o 18._o ver_fw-la ezechiel_n 5._o for_o 6._o unto_o the_o 12._o ezechiel_n ezechiel_n ver_fw-la ezechiel_n 22._o for_o 3._o unto_o the_o end_n of_o the_o chapter_n ezechiel_n 33._o ver_fw-la 24._o unto_o the_o 30._o deutro_n deutro_n ver_fw-la deuteronomie_n 32._o for_o 5.6.32.33_o touch_v the_o ingratitude_n and_o unthankfulness_n of_o the_o church_n see_v isaiah_n 1._o for_o 2.5_o isaiah_n isaiah_n isaiah_n 5.47_o isaiah_n 43._o ver_fw-la 21._o unto_o the_o end_n of_o the_o chapter_n isaiah_n 17._o for_o 10.11_o hosea_n jeremiah_n ezechiel_n zachariah_n deuteron_n hosea_n isaiah_n 63._o for_o 9.10_o jerem._n 2._o for_o 6.9.21.22_o jeremiah_n 12._o for_o ●_o ezechiel_n 16._o for_o 15._o unto_o the_o 24._o ver_fw-la zachariah_n 11._o for_o 8._o unto_o the_o end_n of_o the_o chapter_n deuteronomie_n 32._o for_o 15.18.23_o hosea_n 12._o for_o 1.9_o hosea_n 13._o for_o 6._o malachi_n 1._o ver_fw-la 2.8_o touch_v the_o obstinacy_n and_o rebellion_n of_o the_o church_n isaiah_n isaiah_n see_v isaiah_n 1._o for_o 5._o unto_o the_o 7._o ver_fw-la isaiah_n ●_o ver_fw-la