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A29375 The truth of the times vindicated whereby the lawfulnesse of Parliamentary procedings in taking up of arms, is justified, Doctor Fernes reply answered, and the case in question more fully resolved / by William Bridge ... Bridge, William, 1600?-1670. 1643 (1643) Wing B4467; ESTC R19219 59,030 63

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