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A10710 A martial conference pleasantly discoursed betweene two souldiers, the one Captaine Skil, trained vp in the French and Low Country seruices, the other Captaine Pill, only practised in Finsburie fields in the modern warres of the renowmed Duke of Shordich and the mightie Prince Arthur / newly translated out of Essex into English by Barnabe Rich ... Rich, Barnabe, 1540?-1617. 1598 (1598) STC 20991.3; ESTC S2298 52,687 92

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haue deliuered so there is no doubt but that they in their wisedomes can well enough consider how this neglect of ours may threaten greater daunger and turne to a worse consequence than you do conceiue of when it is auouched by them of knowne experience and the reasons fortified by many presidents of great antiquitie drawne from Alexandria in Egypt from Constantinople in Greece and from many other countries and kingdomes besides it is prooued by many examples what notable conquests haue béene obtained by the vse of bowes and how many nations kingdomes and common wealths haue béene subuerted surprized and brought into seruitude where they haue neglected that notable weapon and set it aside Skill If our Low country Captaines do pretend such excellencie in the weapons of fire they do it by good authoritie hauing had sufficient triall of the effects but how these weapons should bring that carowsing and drunkennesse you do speake of I protest it passeth my conceit howe it may hang together For drunkennesse I do pronounce it to be a most detestable vice beastly and hateful in the opinion of any man that is worthy the reputation of a man and I haue knowne som of our Low countrey Captaines that haue béene shamelesse when they were drunke but they haue blushed again when they were sober but he that delighteth in that vice is a fitter companion for swine then worthy to associate men And is it our Low country captaines that haue brought in the exercise of carowsing and drunkennesse I wonder at them that could trauel so farre countries to fetch so many presidents for the antiquitie of bowes and could not haue brought one president with them for the antiquitie of drunkennesse if it were but how Alexander killed his Clytus And for carowsing it was new christned in England from a carowse to a hearty draught I thinke before the most of our Low country Captaines were borne Now for this neglect of the long bow which is thought to be a matter of such danger and such a weakening to our country we may commende them a litle for their care that do so feare it but neuer a whit for their experience that would perswade it and least of all for their wit that would beléeue it For the presidentes that haue bin so transported from those far countries in the behalfe of the long bow they are all as patte for the purpose that should be prooued by them as he that alleaged that Tenterden steeple was the cause of Goodwin sandes Pill If you will denie presidents because they are farre fetcht that do make good in the behalfe of the bowe we wil bring you some néerer home and I hope you will not denie our own histories chronicles that do concerne our owne actions some of them within the compasse of mens memories yet liuing how many testimonies are there recorded in the behalf of our archery what seruices they haue performd what conquests they haue atchieued what victories they haue obtained I shal not néed to relate them in particular they are so apparant to euery reader that I hope you will not doe your selfe that wrong to gainsay them Skill And with what discretion can you or any one for you alleadge them you bring vs out presidents what seruices haue béene perfourmed by our archery in times past but where was then that celleritie and readines in the weapōs of fire that is now practised you tell me of conquests perfourmed and victories obtained but it was in diebus illis when neither musket nor caliuer were knowen nor heard of I confesse the bow hath béene a weapon of great effect in seruice but the case is altered euery thing hath his time and I could wish with all my heart that our archery of England were but by the one halfe so effectuall as ignorant men will dreame of Pill That the bow is more effectuall then you do estéem it is to be prooued by such forcible reasons as your low co●…try captaines are not able to resist let vs but séeke the testimonies of the holy scriptures and wée shall finde what account the prophet Dauid made of that weapon after the ouerthrow death of king Saul besids in one of his Psalmes he calleth them A mightie power and in another place The vessels of death Another of the prophets sent from the almightie to terrefie the people for their sinnes speakng in the person of GOD saith That he had bent his bow and made ready his quiuer Many other places might be inferred to confirme the fury and force of that weapon if men were not ouermuch giuen to infidelitie and misbelèefe Skill If the Prophet Dauid had slaine Goliath with an arrow out of a bow as he kilde him with a stone out of a sling I perceiue there would haue bin some great hold taken of the matter for the credit of bowes but if he had kild him with a bow must it therefore be granted that bowes did excell all other weapons Sampson kilde a great number of the Philistines with the iawe-bone of an Asse yet if I should fight I would not trust to that weapon if I might haue mine owne choice And because it is said by the prophet that he had bent his bow doth that therefore conclude the bow to be most excellent of all other weapons This logicke is much like vnto his that affirmed men to be more godly then women his reason was because there is a towne in Surty that is called Godlimē but there is neuer a town in England that is called Godlywomen ergo men are more godly then women And because God hath said I haue bent my bow and neuer makes mention that he had chargde his musket Ergo the bow is better then the musket And I remember another place where it is written He had whetted his sworde but it is not said that he had made sharpe his browne bill therefore the sword is a better weapon then a browne bill But captaine Pill let vs leaue this logicke for it is twentie to one if euer it be knowne the schole boyes wil laugh at vs. Pill Let them laugh captaine Skill at your errour that do attribute such commendations to your musket and caliuer that thereby you would condemne and suppresse all other weapons of farre greater excellencie and vse but if you will néeds giue such principalitie to your weapons of fire it is neither your musket nor caliuer that are so singular but as it is resolued by captains of great skill and knowledge the harquebuz is to be preferred before them both and that for many considerations by them alleaged Skill And what might be the considerations that your great captaines haue so preferred the harquebuz Pill For that the Harquebuz is more maniable in a skirmish and a great deale more light to make a hastie retrait where your Musketiers in such actions through the weight of their péeces are driuen to throw them quite away and to trust altogether to