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other_o crime_n be_v condemn_v by_o the_o council_n then_o hold_v at_o constance_n be_v not_o john_n the_o 22._o and_o anastasius_n the_o 2._o the_o supreme_a speak_a judge_n in_o their_o several_a time_n who_o yet_o be_v both_o stigmatise_v for_o the_o crime_n of_o heresy_n let_v mr_n cressy_n now_o speak_v like_o a_o honest_a man_n be_v such_o superior_n as_o these_o then_o live_v and_o speak_v to_o conclude_v all_o controversy_n to_o interpret_v scripture_n and_o the_o father_n to_o put_v to_o silence_v all_o particular_a church_n to_o subdue_v man_n mind_n to_o a_o assent_n and_o this_o under_o the_o penalty_n of_o their_o be_v cut_v off_o from_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n let_v he_o read_v his_o own_o dictate_v p._n 97._o it_o will_v but_o little_o mend_v the_o matter_n to_o say_v the_o pope_n be_v but_o one_o and_o that_o he_o speak_v of_o all_o superior_n because_o beside_o that_o they_o may_v all_o have_v their_o byasses_n and_o error_n as_o well_o as_o he_o in_o case_n they_o 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veâ—â—t_fw-la leo_fw-la de_fw-fr tribu_fw-la juda_n radix_fw-la david_n â—cce_fw-la tibi_fw-la suscitavit_fw-la deus_fw-la salvatorem_fw-la etc._n etc._n te_fw-la leo_fw-la bâ—atissime_fw-la salvatorem_fw-la expectamus_fw-la te_fw-la liberatorem_fw-la uâ—nturum_fw-la speravimus_fw-la council_n lateran_n ult_n sess_n 6._o bin._n to._n 9_o p._n 74._o another_o great_a condescension_n and_o leo_n his_o successor_n be_v salute_v as_o no_o less_o than_o the_o lion_n of_o the_o tribe_n of_o judah_n the_o root_n of_o david_n the_o saviour_n and_o deliverer_n that_o be_v to_o come_v a_o pretty_a clinch_n but_o a_o blasphemous_a compliment_n and_o unworthy_a a_o bishop_n mouth_n in_o the_o eight_o and_o nine_o session_n this_o lion_n roar_v first_o against_o they_o that_o shall_v violate_v his_o decree_n in_o the_o present_a council_n to_o who_o he_o threaten_v such_o a_o sentence_n of_o excommunication_n as_o none_o but_o himself_o can_v absolve_v they_o from_o next_o against_o the_o emperor_n king_n and_o prince_n who_o he_o charge_v not_o to_o hinder_v such_o as_o be_v come_v to_o the_o council_n under_o the_o penalty_n of_o incur_v god_n displeasure_n and_o his_o own_o in_o the_o last_o of_o those_o two_o session_n 116._o divinae_fw-la maj_n statis_fw-la tuus_fw-la conspectus_fw-la vutilanti_fw-la cujus_fw-la fulgore_fw-la imbecille_n oculi_fw-la mei_fw-la caligant_fw-la etc._n etc._n et_fw-la paulo_fw-la post_fw-la in_o te_fw-la uno_fw-la legitimo_fw-la christi_fw-la &_o dei_fw-la vicario_n pâ—opheticum_fw-la illud_fw-la debuerit_fw-la â—uâ—sus_fw-la impleri_fw-la adorabunt_fw-la cum_fw-la omnes_fw-la reges_fw-la terrae_fw-la omnes_fw-la gentes_fw-la seruient_fw-fr ci_fw-fr ibid._n sess_n 9_o p._n 114_o 116._o antonius_n puccius_n tell_v leo_n how_o his_o eye_n be_v darken_v by_o the_o rutilant_a brightness_n of_o his_o divine_a majesty_n in_o he_o alone_o as_o the_o vicar_n of_o god_n and_o of_o christ_n that_o say_v of_o the_o prophet_n ought_v again_o to_o have_v its_o completion_n all_o the_o king_n of_o the_o earth_n shall_v come_v and_o worship_n all_o the_o nation_n under_o heaven_n shall_v do_v he_o
in_o the_o window_n or_o wall_n of_o church_n 1046._o council_n nicen._n 2._o act_n 4._o council_n constant_n quartum_fw-la decrevit_fw-la cundem_fw-la imaginum_fw-la cultum_fw-la edit_fw-la bin._n tom._n 7._o p._n 1046._o what_o be_v the_o object_n of_o adoration_n and_o so_o much_o the_o rather_o will_v he_o believe_v it_o to_o be_v a_o error_n because_o the_o second_o nicene_n general_a council_n decree_v that_o image_n be_v to_o be_v worship_v and_o denounce_v a_o anathema_n to_o all_o that_o doubt_v the_o truth_n of_o it_o do_v he_o not_o think_v it_o be_v a_o error_n in_o the_o council_n of_o chalcedon_n pudendo_fw-la council_n chalced._n act._n 15._o can_v 28._o qui_fw-fr canon_n genuinus_fw-la est_fw-la non_fw-la obstante_fw-la bâ—nii_fw-la subterfugio_fw-la pudendo_fw-la to_o decree_n unto_o the_o bishop_n of_o constantinople_n even_o in_o cause_n ecclesiastical_a a_o equality_n of_o privilege_n with_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n or_o do_v he_o not_o think_v it_o be_v a_o error_n in_o the_o 572._o the_o council_n constantinop_n iii_o act._n 13._o vide_fw-la notas_fw-la in_o vitam_fw-la honor._n edit_fw-la bin._n tom._n 4_o p._n 572._o six_o general_n council_n to_o condemn_v pope_n honorius_n as_o a_o monothelite_n and_o to_o decree_v that_o his_o name_n shall_v be_v raze_v out_o of_o the_o church_n diptych_n 854._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n council_n florent_fw-la definit_a edit_fw-la bin._n to._n 8._o p._n 854._o see_v another_o general_a council_n since_o hold_v at_o florence_n have_v define_v the_o pope_n to_o be_v the_o highpriest_n over_o all_o the_o world_n the_o successor_n of_o st._n peter_n christ_n lieutenant_n the_o head_n of_o the_o church_n the_o father_n and_o teacher_n of_o all_o christian_n and_o one_o to_o who_o in_o st._n peter_n our_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n do_v deliver_v a_o full_a power_n as_o well_o to_o govern_v as_o to_o feed_v the_o universal_a church_n and_o do_v according_o exauctorate_v the_o council_n at_o constance_n for_o seat_v a_o council_n above_o a_o pope_n or_o be_v it_o not_o think_v by_o mr_n cressy_n that_o this_o florentine_a council_n be_v in_o a_o error_n in_o grant_v the_o roman_a church_n a_o power_n of_o add_v to_o the_o creed_n which_o the_o general_a council_n of_o chalcedon_n have_v forbid_v to_o be_v do_v under_o the_o penalty_n of_o a_o curse_n as_o be_v 593._o be_v ibid._n sess_n 5._o p._n 593._o observe_v and_o urge_v by_o pope_n vigilius_n himself_o to_o eutychius_n the_o patriarch_n of_o constantinople_n let_v mr._n cressy_n but_o compare_v the_o six_o general_n council_n who_o famous_a canon_n be_v make_v in_o trullo_n with_o the_o tridentine_a canon_n and_o the_o general_n practice_n of_o his_o church_n and_o sure_o i_o be_o he_o will_v acknowledge_v that_o the_o one_o or_o the_o other_o have_v foul_o err_v it_o be_v decree_v in_o the_o six_o 326._o six_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n conc._n constant_n iii_o can._n 13._o to._n 5._o p._n 326._o edit_fw-la bin._n to._n 5._o p._n 326._o that_o marry_a man_n without_o scruple_n shall_v be_v admit_v into_o the_o priesthood_n and_o this_o without_o any_o condition_n of_o abstain_v thence-forwards_a from_o cohabitation_n lest_o man_n shall_v seem_v to_o offer_v contumely_n unto_o god_n holy_a institution_n yea_o which_o be_v most_o to_o be_v observe_v this_o be_v a_o canon_n make_v profess_o 326._o profess_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n ibid._n p._n 325_o 326._o against_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n whereunto_o be_v confront_v the_o ancient_a canon_n which_o be_v there_o say_v to_o be_v of_o apostolical_a perfection_n here_o the_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v condemn_v by_o a_o council_n which_o be_v own_v to_o be_v general_n by_o the_o same_o church_n of_o rome_n the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v also_o condemn_v by_o the_o same_o 338._o same_o ibid._n p._n 338._o 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