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election_n and_o he_o make_v half_a from_o hence_o to_o follow_v we_o into_o the_o execution_n of_o their_o episcopal_a office_n 69._o we_o make_v as_o much_o haste_n to_o meet_v he_o and_o make_v good_a what_o we_o former_o lay_v down_o that_o our_o bishop_n and_o the_o bishop_n of_o former_a time_n be_v two_o first_o in_o the_o sole_a jurisdiction_n they_o assume_v to_o themselves_o which_o former_a bishop_n never_o do_v nor_o dare_v which_o jurisdiction_n be_v take_v here_o in_o a_o large_a sense_n for_o the_o execution_n of_o all_o episcopal_a power_n we_o distribute_v into_o the_o administration_n of_o order_n and_o censure_n which_o say_v the_o remonstrant_a jurisdiction_n in_o all_o wise_a writer_n be_v wont_a to_o be_v contradistinguish_v distinguish_v they_o be_v we_o grant_v and_o so_o do_v we_o distinguish_v they_o page_z 24_o 25._o of_o our_o answer_n which_o the_o wisdom_n of_o the_o remonstrant_n may_v have_v take_v notice_n of_o and_o forbear_v this_o scorn_n yet_o not_o 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erant_fw-la seniores_fw-la laici_fw-la extra_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la de_fw-la quibus_fw-la supra_fw-la ad_fw-la can._n 91._o erant_fw-la &_o seniores_fw-la ecclesiastici_fw-la there_o be_v lay-elder_n out_o of_o the_o church_n of_o who_o we_o speak_v can._n 91_o and_o there_o be_v ecclesiastic_a or_o church-elders_a to_o prove_v which_o he_o bring_v forth_o the_o very_a testimony_n which_o we_o produce_v from_o baronius_n and_o other_o and_o certain_o he_o that_o compare_v the_o two_o canon_n quote_v by_o the_o remonstrant_a will_v see_v how_o absurd_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o the_o one_o canon_n be_v draw_v to_o expound_v the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o the_o other_o for_o the_o former_a be_v the_o magistrate_n who_o have_v a_o coercive_a power_n may_v compel_v the_o donatist_n to_o meet_v for_o conference_n and_o disputation_n if_o they_o do_v refuse_v it_o the_o other_o be_v not_o magistrate_n but_o seniores_fw-la send_v by_o the_o church_n to_o accuse_v their_o bishop_n now_o how_o well_o be_v the_o one_o expound_v by_o the_o other_o but_o if_o the_o senior_n be_v not_o alderman_n yet_o they_o be_v say_v you_o but_o as_o our_o churchwarden_n and_o vestry-man_n only_o trust_v with_o the_o viensil_n 146._o stock_n and_o outward_a affair_n of_o the_o church_n business_n of_o seat_n and_o rate_n etc._n etc._n this_o the_o remonstrant_a will_n if_o you_o will_v believe_v he_o evince_n out_o of_o our_o own_o testimony_n and_o yet_o meddle_v not_o with_o that_o which_o be_v the_o most_o pregnant_a testimony_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o power_n of_o these_o elder_n do_v reach_v to_o thing_n of_o a_o high_a nature_n than_o seat_n and_o rate_n and_o that_o be_v the_o letter_n of_o puâ—purius_n which_o give_v to_o the_o senior_n a_o concurrent_a power_n with_o the_o clergy_n to_o inquire_v about_o the_o dissension_n which_o trouble_v the_o church_n that_o by_o their_o wisdom_n and_o care_n peace_n
may_v be_v settle_v in_o the_o same_o these_o dissension_n be_v not_o about_o seat_n or_o rate_n but_o a_o contention_n between_o silvanus_n the_o bishop_n and_o nundinarius_n the_o deacon_n in_o a_o matter_n of_o a_o high_a nature_n too_o high_a for_o our_o church_n warden_n faelicis_fw-la or_o vestryman_n to_o meddle_v in_o the_o bishop_n be_v accuse_v that_o he_o be_v traditor_n &_o fur_n rerum_fw-la pauperum_fw-la do_v ever_o churchwarden_n or_o vestry_n man_n among_o we_o hear_v inquire_v judge_n compose_v such_o difference_n as_o these_o be_v what_o shall_v john_n a_o nokes_n and_o john_n a_o style_n senior_n and_o smug_n the_o smith_n meddle_v with_o a_o business_n of_o bishop_n say_v episcopacy_n by_o divine_a right_n part_n 3._o pag._n 32._o but_o how_o do_v he_o prove_v they_o be_v but_o as_o our_o churchwarden_n or_o vestryman_n first_o because_o deacon_n be_v name_v before_o these_o senior_n where_o ever_o they_o be_v mention_v second_o because_o optatus_n reckon_v up_o 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and_o so_o again_o heb._n 13._o 24._o ruler_n and_o saint_n yet_o the_o remonstrant_a be_v resolve_v to_o hold_v the_o conclusion_n elder_n in_o a_o rank_n above_o deacon_n in_o a_o settle_a power_n of_o government_n with_o the_o pastor_n 147._o shall_v be_v damn_v by_o he_o for_o a_o new_a and_o unjustifiable_a opinion_n yet_o this_o be_v the_o man_n that_o will_v by_o no_o mean_n be_v think_v to_o condemn_v the_o reform_a church_n though_o he_o fall_v as_o unhappy_o near_o the_o very_a word_n of_o their_o profess_a enemy_n the_o netherlands_n remonstants_n as_o ever_o we_o do_v the_o word_n of_o aerius_n quod_fw-la attinet_fw-la praxin_n antiquitatis_fw-la ex_fw-la â—â_fw-la videlicet_fw-la id_fw-la demonstrari_fw-la posse_fw-la idoneis_fw-la argumentis_fw-la ut_fw-la censor_n asserit_fw-la audaciae_fw-la &_o temeritatis_fw-la est_fw-la and_o again_o tota_n antiquitatis_fw-la praxis_fw-la ei_fw-la repugnat_fw-la but_o oh_o that_o our_o remonstrant_n will_v once_o learn_v to_o take_v the_o counsel_n he_o give_v and_o he_o that_o advise_v we_o to_o give_v glory_n to_o god_n in_o yield_v to_o undoubted_a and_o clear_a truth_n will_v do_v so_o himself_o for_o if_o it_o be_v not_o more_o clear_a that_o there_o be_v elder_n ancient_o in_o the_o church_n then_o that_o there_o be_v none_o and_o that_o these_o elder_n be_v not_o civil_a alderman_n but_o ecclesiastical_a officer_n not_o mere_a churchwarden_n and_o vestry_n man_n busy_v about_o inferior_a thing_n of_o seat_n and_o rate_n but_o employ_v in_o matter_n of_o high_a nature_n let_v the_o remonstrant_fw-la never_o renounce_v episcopacy_n but_o if_o it_o be_v let_v he_o take_v heed_n he_o do_v not_o renounce_v his_o word_n which_o he_o utter_v pag._n 147._o i_o do_v here_o solemn_o profess_v that_o if_o any_o one_o such_o instance_n can_v be_v bring_v i_o will_v renounce_v episcopacy_n for_o ever_o sect_n xvi_o xvii_o xviii_o the_o rest_n of_o our_o answer_n you_o say_v be_v but_o a_o mere_a declamation_n and_o good_a sir_n 148._o what_o be_v your_o whole_a remonstrance_n but_o a_o declamation_n and_o what_o be_v your_o defence_n but_o a_o satire_n but_o we_o be_v worthy_a of_o no_o other_o answer_n than_o contempt_n and_o silence_n you_o be_v very_o dextrous_a and_o happy_a in_o those_o kind_n of_o answer_n your_o whole_a defence_n be_v full_a of_o they_o it_o be_v true_a you_o say_v the_o religious_a bishop_n of_o all_o time_n have_v strong_o uphold_v the_o truth_n of_o god_n against_o satan_n and_o against_o his_o antichrist_n and_o it_o be_v as_o true_a that_o we_o tell_v you_o that_o other_o have_v uphold_v the_o truth_n as_o strong_o as_o bishop_n ever_o do_v yea_o &_o at_o sometime_o when_o there_o be_v never_o a_o bishop_n in_o the_o world_n to_o appear_v for_o the_o truth_n and_o therefore_o never_o impropriate_a all_o the_o glory_n to_o episcopacy_n it_o be_v also_o true_a that_o we_o tell_v you_o that_o some_o irreligious_a bishop_n have_v uphold_v satan_n and_o his_o antichrist_n 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