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A31043 The nonconformists vindicated from the abuses put upon them by Mr. [brace] Durel and Scrivener being some short animadversions on their books soon after they came forth : in two letters to a friend (who could not hitherto get them published) : containing some remarques upon the celebrated conference at Hampton-Court / by a country scholar. Barrett, William, 17th cent. 1679 (1679) Wing B915; ESTC R37068 137,221 250

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