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Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
power_n	church_n	minister_n	ordination_n	2,890	5	10.2282	5	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A80765	The disputes between Mr. Cranford, and Dr. Chamberlen. At the house of Mr. William Webb, at the end of Bartholomew Lane, by the Old Exchange: on March 1. 1652, and April 1. 6. 13. / Published for the satisfaction of all that love the truth.	Cranford, James, d. 1657.; Chamberlen, Peter, 1601-1683.	1652 (1652)	Wing C6822; Thomason E666_6; ESTC R206920	19,015	40

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a_o universal_a power_n over_o all_o church_n become_v antichrist_n 4_o after_o his_o usurpation_n there_o want_v not_o many_o both_o bishop_n and_o other_o teacher_n that_o oppose_v this_o usurpation_n of_o the_o pope_n till_o the_o protestant_n depart_v from_o it_o 5_o there_o remain_v oppress_v by_o the_o papacy_n a_o true_a church_n of_o christ_n in_o rome_n till_o our_o separation_n from_o they_o 6_o from_o this_o true_a church_n i_o say_v not_o pure_a church_n in_o rome_n our_o first_o reformer_n have_v their_o ordination_n which_o be_v in_o the_o essential_o true_a and_o from_o christ_n 7_o the_o pope_n of_o rome_n have_v be_v antichrist_n i_o believe_v about_o a_o thousand_o year_n that_o be_v so_o long_o as_o he_o have_v usurp_v power_n over_o all_o church_n 8_o there_o be_v a_o true_a ministerial_a church_n in_o rome_n when_o we_o separate_v from_o the_o papacy_n ja._n cranford_n dr._n chamb._n argue_v to_o the_o last_o ma._n if_o no_o ministerial_a church_n in_o rome_n since_o the_o pope_n be_v antichrist_n but_o what_o be_v from_o the_o power_n of_o the_o pope_n than_o there_o be_v no_o such_o church_n in_o rome_n when_o you_o separate_v mi._n but_o there_o be_v no_o ministerial_a church_n in_o rome_n since_o the_o pope_n be_v antichrist_n but_o what_o be_v from_o the_o power_n of_o the_o pope_n con._n therefore_o there_o be_v no_o such_o church_n in_o rome_n when_o you_o separate_v mr._n cranf_n say_v that_o all_o that_o the_o pope_n do_v be_v not_o antichristian_a dr._n chamb._n reply_v ma._n if_o the_o pope_n be_v the_o root_n of_o antichrist_n then_o all_o ministerial_a officer_n from_o he_o be_v antichristian_a mi._n but_o the_o pope_n be_v the_o root_n of_o antichrist_n con._n therefore_o all_o ministerial_a officer_n from_o he_o be_v antichristian_a as_o branch_n mr._n cranf_n deny_v the_o consequence_n though_o the_o pope_n be_v the_o root_n of_o antichrist_n yet_o all_o ministerial_a officer_n under_o he_o be_v not_o antichristian_a dr._n chamb._n then_o mention_v mat._n 7.16_o 17_o 18._o but_o there_o be_v a_o disorderly_a discourse_n he_o argue_v thus_o ma._n if_o all_o power_n derive_v from_o the_o pope_n acknowledge_v his_o power_n as_o a_o power_n over_o all_o church_n than_o they_o be_v all_o antichristian_a mi._n but_o all_o power_n derive_v from_o the_o pope_n acknowledge_v the_o pope_n power_n as_o a_o power_n over_o all_o church_n con._n therefore_o they_o be_v all_o antichristian_a mr._n cranf_n then_o fall_v into_o discourse_n again_o and_o say_v that_o the_o roman_a church_n at_o the_o time_n when_o luther_n separate_v be_v a_o true_a church_n dr._n chamb._n offer_v to_o prove_v it_o be_v then_o no_o true_a church_n ma._n where_o there_o be_v no_o true_a sacrament_n there_o be_v no_o true_a church_n min._n but_o in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n when_o luther_n separate_v there_o be_v no_o true_a sacrament_n con._n therefore_o then_o there_o be_v no_o true_a church_n the_o minor_a be_v deny_v that_o in_o 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administer_v on_o the_o true_a subject_n dr._n chamb._n p●●●●●ed_v his_o argument_n thus_o ma._n they_o that_o a_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d red_a 〈◊〉_d no●_n on_o believer_n and_o repenter_n administer_v 〈…〉_o the_o true_a subject_n mi._n but_o the_o ch●●●h_n of_o ●●me_n when_o luther_n separate_v do_v not_o administer_v it_o on_o believer_n and_o repenter_n con._n therefore_o they_o do_v not_o administer_v it_o on_o the_o true_a subject_n minor_n be_v to_o be_v prove_v ma._n they_o that_o administer_v it_o on_o child_n administer_v it_o not_o on_o believer_n and_o repenter_n mi._n but_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n when_o luther_n separate_v administer_v it_o to_o child_n con._n therefore_o they_o do_v not_o administer_v it_o on_o believer_n and_o repenter_n mr._n cranf_n deny_v the_o major_a dr._n chamb._n ask_v whether_o child_n can_v believe_v and_o repent_v mr._n cranf_n answer_v they_o have_v faith_n and_o repentance_n in_o their_o parent_n but_o he_o deny_v the_o major_n because_o though_o 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question_n and_o so_o he_o proceed_v to_o this_o argument_n follow_v out_o of_o 2_o cor._n 11.20_o ma._n they_o that_o bring_v the_o flock_n into_o bondage_n or_o devour_v they_o or_o take_v of_o they_o or_o exalt_v themselves_o or_o smite_v they_o on_o the_o face_n be_v not_o the_o minister_n of_o jesus_n christ_n mi._n but_o minister_n of_o london_n presbyterian-minister_n do_v some_o or_o all_o of_o these_o conclus_fw-la therefore_o minister_n of_o london_n presbyterian-minister_n be_v not_o the_o minister_n of_o jesus_n christ_n mr._n cranf_n deny_v both_o but_o desire_v dr._n chamb._n rather_o to_o prove_v the_o major_a wherein_o mr._n cranf_n be_v to_o hold_v that_o they_o who_o bring_v the_o flock_n into_o bondage_n or_o devour_v they_o or_o take_v of_o they_o or_o exalt_v themselves_o or_o smite_v they_o on_o the_o face_n be_v the_o minister_n of_o jesus_n christ_n this_o be_v think_v somewhat_o strange_a be_v the_o major_n be_v the_o very_a word_n of_o the_o text._n but_o 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