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A57861 A true representation of Presbyterian government wherein a short and clear account is given of the principles of them that owne it, the common objections against it answered, and some other things opened that concern it in the present circumstances / by a friend to that interest. Rule, Gilbert, 1629?-1701. 1690 (1690) Wing R2228; ESTC R28113 15,541 24

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