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conclude_v not_o take_v from_o the_o practice_n of_o minister_n not_o submit_v to_o the_o sentence_n of_o prelate_n in_o this_o church_n pag._n 55._o for_o 1_o it_o be_v not_o clear_a to_o we_o that_o they_o do_v not_o submit_v to_o the_o censure_n inflict_v we_o do_v find_v the_o contrary_a suppose_a in_o the_o write_n of_o these_o time_n both_o of_o one_o side_n and_o other_o that_o upon_o these_o sentence_n they_o be_v to_o be_v put_v out_o of_o their_o place_n as_o be_v insinuate_v in_o a_o treatise_n publish_v anno_fw-la 1620._o by_o a_o opposer_n of_o conformity_n bear_v the_o title_n of_o a_o dialogue_n betwixt_o cosmophilus_n and_o theophilus_n as_o also_o in_o mr._n struthers_n letter_n to_o the_o earl_n of_o airth_n in_o the_o year_n 1630._o print_v 1635._o it_o be_v true_a some_o of_o they_o preach_v after_o their_o sentence_n but_o it_o be_v to_o be_v remember_v that_o whatever_o be_v the_o after-strictnesse_n of_o prelate_n in_o their_o canon_n publish_v anno_fw-la 1636._o 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