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ecclesiastical_a thing_n of_o the_o ultimate_a determination_n of_o matter_n pure_o ecclesiastical_a which_o the_o presbyterian_o principle_n do_v not_o as_o now_o in_o matter_n of_o doctrine_n and_o in_o matter_n of_o scandal_n and_o in_o matter_n of_o censure_n excommunication_n deposition_n etc._n etc._n which_o be_v bring_v before_o and_o have_v pass_v in_o ecclesiastical_a assembly_n to_o appeal_v from_o they_o to_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n and_o to_o carry_v cause_n from_o thence_o to_o civil_a court_n to_o repeal_v and_o revoke_v they_o your_o word_n and_o passage_n about_o the_o magistrate_n power_n imply_v this_o and_o i_o find_v that_o many_o quick_a sight_a man_n as_o the_o walachrian_a classis_fw-la nay_o a_o whole_a synod_n after_o they_o in_o their_o late_a letter_n to_o the_o assembly_n apprehend_v you_o so_o and_o therefore_o i_o may_v upon_o good_a ground_n judge_v beside_o the_o two_o former_a that_o you_o aim_v at_o this_o three_o in_o say_v you_o give_v more_o to_o the_o magistrate_n power_n then_o the_o presbyterian_o
only_o and_o the_o high_a power_n can_v they_o always_o hear_v or_o attend_v unto_o through_o the_o many_o great_a business_n of_o state_n affair_n all_o the_o difference_n scandal_n schism_n that_o both_o in_o particular_a church_n and_o between_o church_n will_v fall_v out_o in_o a_o kingdom_n or_o nation_n in_o this_o way_n of_o non-communion_n and_o protestation_n against_o one_o another_o especial_o in_o independent_a church_n where_o people_n make_v church_n and_o minister_n in_o that_o way_n they_o do_v and_o have_v no_o fix_a rule_n nor_o certain_a way_n i_o warrant_v the_o supreme_a magistrate_n and_o high_a power_n king_n and_o parliament_n shall_v have_v something_o to_o do_v to_o back_o the_o sentence_n of_o non-communion_n and_o to_o hear_v all_o cause_n and_o difference_n but_o if_o you_o understand_v the_o inferior_n also_o major_n bailiff_n etc._n etc._n i_o represent_v it_o to_o you_o what_o fit_a judge_n most_o of_o they_o be_v to_o judge_v and_o determine_v of_o 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this_o censure_n lay_v down_o by_o divine_n in_o their_o tractate_v and_o common_a place_n of_o ecclesiastical_a discipline_n and_o excommunication_n but_o i_o will_v name_v only_o that_o of_o the_o professor_n of_o leyden_n 59_o excommunication_n be_v the_o last_o remedy_n and_o the_o sharp_a for_o the_o subdue_a of_o the_o flesh_n in_o a_o man_n and_o for_o the_o quicken_a of_o the_o spirit_n and_o the_o most_o efficacious_a example_n lest_o the_o sound_a part_n shall_v be_v corrupt_v but_o against_o they_o who_o persevere_v in_o their_o contumacy_n and_o impenitency_n it_o be_v the_o only_a mean_n to_o free_v the_o house_n of_o god_n of_o leaven_n and_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n from_o scandal_n and_o so_o to_o vindicate_v the_o word_n and_o sacrament_n from_o profanation_n and_o the_o name_n of_o god_n from_o the_o blaspheme_n of_o they_o without_o now_o pray_v show_v we_o in_o the_o scripture_n any_o where_o the_o excellent_a fruit_n benefit_n end_n of_o non-communion_n of_o church_n and_o protestation_n against_o they_o as_o we_o can_v of_o excommunication_n in_o 1_o cor._n 5._o 5._o 2_o cor._n 2._o 6_o 7_o 8_o 9_o 10._o 2_o thess._n 3._o 14._o 1_o tim._n 1._o 20._o and_o then_o for_o that_o other_o remedy_n of_o the_o magistrate_n power_n add_v to_o non-communion_n to_o eke_o out_o wherein_o non-communion_n may_v be_v defective_a to_o excommunication_n and_o for_o that_o purpose_n you_o say_v you_o give_v more_o to_o the_o magistrate_n power_n that_o so_o what_o you_o fail_v and_o come_v short_a in_o ecclesiastical_a power_n you_o may_v make_v it_o up_o in_o give_v more_o civil_a power_n in_o ecclesiastical_a cause_n the_o result_n of_o which_o must_v needs_o be_v this_o that_o though_o in_o your_o churchway_n you_o have_v not_o so_o much_o ecclesiastical_a authoritative_a power_n for_o miscarriage_n and_o for_o reduce_v church_n that_o fall_v into_o heresy_n and_o schism_n yet_o you_o give_v more_o civil_a power_n and_o allow_v the_o magistrate_n more_o to_o interpose_v for_o help_v and_o reduce_v so_o that_o less_o ecclesiastical_a power_n and_o authority_n with_o a_o large_a civil_a power_n to_o back_o it_o will_v be_v every_o way_n as_o effectual_a as_o much_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n with_o a_o small_a civil_a power_n but_o of_o this_o i_o shall_v show_v you_o your_o mistake_n because_o the_o question_n be_v of_o church_n matter_n and_o matter_n of_o conscience_n and_o the_o inward_a man_n and_o of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o christ_n now_o the_o remedy_n and_o mean_n appoint_v for_o these_o be_v spiritual_a and_o ecclesiastical_a namely_o spiritual_a punishment_n christ_n say_v my_o kingdom_n be_v not_o of_o this_o world_n and_o the_o apostle_n 2_o cor._n 10._o 3_o 4_o 5._o the_o weapon_n of_o our_o warfare_n be_v not_o carnal_a but_o mighty_a through_o god_n to_o the_o pull_v down_o of_o strong_a hold_n by_o which_o the_o spirit_n and_o the_o inward_a man_n even_o every_o thought_n be_v subject_v to_o the_o obedience_n of_o christ_n spiritual_a remedy_n and_o mean_n must_v be_v use_v in_o the_o kingdom_n of_o christ_n and_o by_o they_o christ_n do_v his_o work_n and_o hence_o in_o ecclesiastical_a discipline_n and_o those_o scandal_n in_o the_o church_n which_o be_v the_o point_n in_o hand_n punishment_n in_o the_o body_n or_o in_o the_o purse_n etc._n etc._n which_o can_v be_v by_o the_o power_n of_o the_o magistrate_n have_v no_o place_n at_o all_o sanctificata_fw-la neither_o can_v such_o mean_n which_o be_v of_o a_o different_a kind_n from_o the_o spiritual_a kingdom_n of_o christ_n produce_v those_o effect_n which_o belong_v 10â—…_n to_o that_o heavenly_a kingdom_n it_o be_v out_o of_o the_o sphere_n of_o the_o activity_n of_o the_o political_a magistrate_n to_o subdue_v the_o inward_a man_n or_o to_o inflict_v spiritual_a punishment_n upon_o the_o conscience_n and_o there_o be_v nothing_o more_o common_a in_o the_o write_n of_o the_o most_o learned_a and_o orthodox_n divine_v then_o to_o show_v that_o the_o civil_a power_n and_o government_n of_o the_o magistrate_n and_o the_o ecclesiastical_a government_n of_o the_o church_n be_v toto_fw-la genere_fw-la disjoin_v and_o thereupon_o the_o power_n of_o the_o magistrate_n by_o which_o he_o deal_v with_o the_o corrupt_a manner_n and_o disorder_n of_o his_o people_n be_v in_o the_o nature_n and_o specifical_a reason_n distinct_a from_o ecclesiastical_a discipline_n for_o the_o power_n of_o the_o magistrate_n by_o which_o he_o punish_v sin_n do_v not_o subserve_v to_o the_o kingdom_n of_o christ_n the_o mediator_n that_o he_o may_v apply_v efficacious_o to_o the_o elect_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d of_o the_o prophetical_a and_o priestly_a office_n of_o christ_n he_o do_v not_o affect_v the_o inward_a man_n and_o conscience_n with_o spiritual_a punishment_n neither_o be_v this_o institute_v of_o god_n and_o sanctify_a as_o the_o mean_n for_o the_o destruction_n of_o the_o flesh_n that_o the_o spirit_n may_v be_v save_v in_o the_o day_n of_o christ._n hence_o also_o by_o divine_n the_o manifold_a difference_n between_o the_o censure_n of_o excommunication_n and_o the_o punishment_n of_o the_o magistrate_n be_v observe_v eccl._n zanchius_n do_v accurate_o show_v the_o difference_n between_o they_o the_o cause_n of_o excommunication_n be_v not_o the_o punishment_n of_o sin_n but_o the_o salvation_n of_o the_o sinner_n and_o the_o edification_n of_o the_o church_n and_o the_o glory_n of_o god_n but_o the_o scope_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n and_o his_o office_n be_v that_o he_o shall_v punish_v the_o sin_n itself_o neither_o dâ—…th_n it_o look_v to_o the_o salvation_n or_o damnation_n of_o the_o offender_n whereupon_o although_o the_o sinner_n repent_v yet_o he_o do_v not_o spare_v but_o punish_v according_a to_o his_o office_n but_o the_o church_n according_a to_o christ_n doctrine_n do_v not_o strike_v with_o the_o spiritual_a sword_n unless_o he_o be_v impenitent_a neither_o be_v this_o do_v for_o death_n but_o for_o salvation_n
therefore_o where_o any_o one_o repâ—…nts_n the_o church_n receive_v he_o so_o that_o in_o substitute_v the_o magistrate_n power_n in_o defect_n of_o excommunication_n and_o give_v a_o great_a deal_n more_o civil_a power_n for_o want_n of_o spiritual_a to_o make_v it_o as_o available_a for_o those_o spiritual_a end_n of_o the_o church_n be_v to_o leave_v the_o proper_a remedy_n and_o mean_n and_o to_o take_v up_o other_o and_o i_o will_v desire_v you_o to_o answer_v i_o whether_o the_o proper_a remedy_n and_o mean_n appoint_v for_o such_o end_n and_o use_n or_o the_o improper_a remedy_n nay_o remedy_n appoint_v and_o intend_v main_o for_o other_o end_n be_v most_o effectual_a and_o powerful_a to_o accomplish_v those_o end_n as_o also_o whether_o a_o part_n of_o a_o proper_a remedy_n be_v assist_v and_o back_v with_o a_o great_a proportion_n of_o a_o remedy_n of_o another_o nature_n and_o kind_n can_v be_v as_o effectual_a as_o the_o whole_a remedy_n and_o mean_n as_o for_o instance_n whether_o a_o little_a grace_n assist_v by_o civility_n and_o fairness_n of_o nature_n will_v do_v as_o much_o to_o overcome_v lust_n and_o destroy_v the_o flesh_n as_o the_o high_a degree_n of_o grace_n that_o saint_n may_v attain_v unto_o and_o whether_o a_o little_a spiritual_a knowledge_n second_v with_o a_o great_a deal_n of_o common_a and_o outward_a ecclesiast_n knowledge_n be_v as_o available_a for_o a_o christian_a conversation_n as_o great_a measure_n of_o spiritual_a knowledge_n though_o a_o man_n have_v but_o a_o little_a knowledge_n in_o philosophy_n physic_n law_n etc._n etc._n but_o more_o particular_o to_o let_v you_o see_v that_o your_o recourse_n unto_o the_o magistrate_n and_o the_o magistrate_n assist_v and_o back_v the_o sentence_n of_o non-communion_n be_v not_o comparable_a to_o that_o of_o excommunication_n and_o presbyterial_a government_n i_o shall_v commend_v to_o your_o consideration_n these_o eight_o follow_v particular_n first_o there_o may_v be_v many_o sin_n and_o error_n which_o the_o christian_a magistrate_n meddle_v not_o with_o be_v not_o matter_n of_o his_o cognisance_n if_o you_o will_v have_v recourse_n to_o he_o or_o if_o the_o sentence_n of_o non-communion_n be_v pronounce_v against_o a_o church_n because_o of_o impenitency_n in_o they_o he_o have_v nothing_o to_o do_v to_o assist_v and_o back_o it_o there_o be_v no_o law_n for_o such_o thing_n which_o yet_o be_v spiritual_a evil_n and_o prejudicial_a to_o the_o soul_n of_o man_n shall_v be_v deal_v with_o to_o recover_v man_n out_o of_o they_o learned_a zanchius_n in_o his_o difference_n that_o he_o give_v between_o the_o censure_n of_o excommunication_n and_o the_o magistrate_n censure_n observe_v this_o for_o a_o special_a one_o there_o be_v many_o wickedness_n against_o which_o the_o magistrate_n true_o christian_n do_v not_o use_v to_o proceed_v neither_o be_v bind_v by_o his_o law_n as_o for_o instance_n private_a fall_n out_o hatred_n &c_n &c_n as_o also_o many_o evil_a manner_n both_o domestical_a and_o public_a which_o do_v not_o disturb_v the_o public_a peace_n or_o the_o public_a good_a but_o the_o church_n ought_v not_o to_o bare_a these_o but_o to_o correct_v they_o according_a to_o christ_n institution_n now_o what_o will_v you_o do_v in_o this_o case_n here_o your_o recourse_n of_o submission_n to_o the_o magistrate_n with_o the_o magistrate_n back_v non-communion_n fail_v you_o and_o conduce_v nothing_o at_o all_o second_o in_o case_n the_o magistrate_n be_v of_o those_o church_n and_o chief_a in_o those_o sin_n and_o miscarriage_n for_o which_o non-communion_n be_v denounce_v against_o those_o church_n as_o may_v easy_o fall_v out_o how_o will_v you_o have_v the_o sentence_n of_o non-communion_n now_o back_v and_o assist_v both_o those_o church_n and_o the_o magistrate_n member_n of_o they_o shall_v have_v nothing_o to_o back_o non-communion_n to_o make_v it_o equivalent_a to_o excommunication_n nay_o i_o ask_v of_o you_o who_o bring_v in_o more_o of_o the_o magistrate_n power_n to_o supply_v the_o want_n of_o excommunication_n where_o the_o particular_a church_n will_v not_o and_o the_o class_n may_v not_o what_o shall_v be_v do_v with_o the_o magistrate_n offend_v what_o mean_n have_v god_n leave_v for_o the_o recovery_n of_o they_o you_o can_v imagine_v they_o will_v make_v use_n of_o their_o power_n against_o themselves_o now_o if_o they_o may_v not_o have_v spiritual_a remedy_n and_o censure_n as_o of_o excommunication_n this_o principle_n of_o the_o magistrate_n power_n fall_v short_a here_o whereas_o in_o presbyterial_a government_n there_o be_v a_o remedy_n and_o redress_v for_o all_o and_o certain_o god_n way_n of_o govern_v his_o church_n provide_v for_o all_o whereas_o you_o fall_v short_a 3._o what_o if_o upon_o the_o sentence_n of_o non-communion_n denounce_v against_o a_o church_n or_o church_n the_o magistrate_n judge_v otherwise_o and_o hold_v the_o sentence_n of_o non-communion_n unjust_a and_o will_v not_o assist_v it_o which_o may_v ordinary_o fall_v out_o what_o effectual_a mean_n have_v the_o offend_a church_n of_o be_v reduce_v now_o by_o virtue_n of_o the_o magistrate_n power_n and_o what_o must_v be_v do_v in_o this_o case_n may_v the_o magistrate_n revoke_v that_o sentence_n of_o the_o church_n or_o church_n offend_v and_o declare_v it_o null_a and_o cause_v the_o church_n who_o pass_v the_o sentence_n to_o recall_v it_o and_o to_o continue_v their_o communion_n and_o suppose_v those_o church_n will_v not_o revoke_v it_o but_o stand_v to_o their_o act_n what_o shall_v be_v do_v in_o this_o case_n who_o must_v judge_v now_o between_o these_o church_n and_o the_o magistrate_n may_v the_o magistrate_n now_o by_o his_o power_n which_o you_o give_v he_o in_o ecclesiastical_n instead_o of_o back_v the_o sentence_n of_o non-communion_n against_o a_o church_n miscarry_v as_o the_o church_n suppose_v now_o turn_v his_o power_n against_o the_o church_n for_o denounce_v the_o sentence_n of_o non-communion_n vojust_o as_o the_o magistrate_n judge_v and_o not_o only_o declare_v it_o void_a but_o punish_v this_o church_n or_o church_n for_o denounce_v such_o a_o sentence_n of_o non-communion_n and_o declare_v and_o protest_v to_o all_o other_o church_n that_o they_o may_v do_v the_o like_a and_o what_o if_o all_o the_o church_n protest_v to_o will_v continue_v to_o renounce_v communion_n with_o the_o church_n censure_v with_o the_o sentence_n of_o non-communion_n notwithstanding_o the_o magistrate_n refuse_v to_o assist_v that_o sentence_n nay_o though_o he_o declare_v it_o void_a or_o what_o if_o upon_o the_o magistrate_n declaration_n some_o of_o the_o church_n give_v the_o righ-hand_n of_o fellowship_n again_o but_o other_o will_v not_o what_o must_v the_o magistrate_n or_o the_o church_n do_v in_o these_o case_n and_o the_o like_a consider_v well_o of_o it_o whether_o this_o effectual_a way_n of_o you_o the_o magistrate_n assist_v and_o back_v the_o sentence_n of_o non-communion_n instead_o of_o a_o powerful_a mean_n to_o relieve_v injure_a person_n or_o reduce_v church_n will_v not_o prove_v a_o mean_n of_o great_a difference_n and_o division_n as_o well_o between_o the_o church_n and_o the_o magistrate_n as_o between_o the_o church_n themselves_o 4._o must_v the_o magistrate_n assist_v and_o back_o the_o sentence_n of_o non-communion_n against_o the_o church_n or_o church_n offend_v and_o persist_v therein_o upon_o the_o come_n of_o it_o to_o he_o and_o so_o punish_v it_o according_a to_o the_o nature_n of_o the_o crime_n as_o he_o judge_n meet_v without_o first_o hear_v what_o the_o church_n can_v say_v for_o itself_o or_o must_v he_o first_o hear_v they_o both_o and_o in_o case_n more_o church_n mutual_o renounce_v communion_n with_o one_o another_o and_o protest_v against_o each_o other_o with_o other_o particular_n instance_a in_o about_o the_o remedy_n of_o non-communion_n under_o the_o four_o general_a head_n what_o shall_v he_o do_v in_o these_o case_n must_v he_o hear_v all_o 5._o what_o magistrate_n or_o magistrate_n do_v you_o mean_v to_o who_o in_o ecclesiastical_a cause_n you_o will_v have_v recourse_n unto_o and_o that_o must_v assist_v and_o back_o the_o sentence_n of_o non-communion_n do_v you_o mean_v the_o supreme_a and_o chief_a magistrate_n the_o high_a power_n only_o or_o all_o inferior_a magistrate_n in_o their_o several_a station_n and_o division_n where_o these_o thing_n fall_v out_o as_o major_n of_o city_n and_o town_n justice_n of_o peace_n and_o such_o magistrate_n or_o do_v you_o mean_v the_o christian_n protestant_n magistrate_n or_o magistrate_n though_o heathen_n popish_a arrian_n or_o do_v you_o mean_v by_o the_o magistrate_n power_n that_o there_o shall_v be_v court_n of_o civil_a judicature_n erect_v in_o every_o division_n of_o the_o county_n to_o hear_v the_o difference_n that_o fall_v out_o between_o church_n offend_v one_o with_o another_o etc._n etc._n or_o what_o do_v you_o mean_v if_o you_o understand_v the_o supreme_a magistrate_n
to_o their_o minister_n and_o pastor_n with_o other_o such_o like_a 8._o but_o in_o ecclesiastical_a matter_n and_o difference_n upon_o the_o magistrate_n interpose_v his_o power_n what_o be_v it_o you_o will_v submit_v unto_o and_o what_o will_v you_o allow_v he_o to_o do_v and_o what_o be_v that_o power_n you_o will_v give_v he_o in_o back_v the_o sentence_n of_o non-communion_n upon_o his_o judgement_n of_o the_o cause_n and_o how_o far_o and_o in_o what_o will_v you_o obey_v he_o that_o so_o we_o may_v understand_v how_o this_o civil_a power_n be_v intend_v by_o you_o for_o a_o remedy_n and_o help_v in_o church_n and_o between_o church_n for_o instance_n will_v you_o submit_v not_o to_o gather_v church_n nor_o set_v up_o assembly_n withoâ—…â—…is_o leave_v and_o upon_o complaint_n of_o the_o many_o mischief_n and_o difference_n occasion_v thereupon_o will_v you_o upon_o his_o hear_v both_o side_n and_o judge_v that_o those_o who_o be_v gather_v shall_v be_v dissolve_v dissolve_v 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