as this man putteth beyond all debate in his writings and others clearly demonstrate by their books containing such positions as overturn and destroy the Gospel Mr Norton teacher of the Church at Boston in New England being appointed to write against the Quakers by order of the General Court tels us in his Tractat printed A. 1660. Pag. 6.7 c. that the Quakers deny that the Father Son and Holy Ghost are three distinct Persons that Christ is God and Man in one Person that Christ is a distinct person from the person of the Father that Christ is a distinct person from any of His Members And so their Christ doth unchrist Christ. He tels us moreover that they deny the Scriptures or written word to be the Rule of life and that they make the light within them and the Spirit without the Scriptures to be their guide that they owne none as lawful magistrats who are not of their way that they assert an infallible light within them above the trial of the Scriptures that they will not acknowledge that they sinne but professe perfection of degrees in his life Mr Stalham in his Epistle to the Reader prefixed to his Reviler rebuiked sheweth us that they make nothing of the historical letter of Christ's Death Resurrection c. but turne all into allegories And that they are with H. N. in his joyful message of the Kingdom Pag. 170. ready to call these things meer lies which the Scripture-learned through the knowledge which they get out of the Scriptures bring-in institute preach teach As also how they joine with Iacob Behme who slighted the imputed righteousness from without and magnified the little spark within whereby the Father draweth them all to Christ and teacheth all within them and say further that in Adam stood the Covenant of grace that there is no certaine Ordination from eternity upon any soul particularly which is yet to be borne but only a common universal foreseeing of grace He sheweth us also how Will. Erbury in his Call to the Churches Pag. 4. said what Gospel or glade tideings is it to tell the world that none shall be saved but the elect and believers and that the Gospel which Christ taught was but in part that which was proper only to the Iewish Church not that to be preached to the world And moreover Pag. 6. he telleth us that he said the Gospel which the Apostles preached to the world was not that which they wrote to the Churches nor yet what they read in the Scriptures of the Prophets but the Gospel was a mystery which in the light of God they could manifest to men and make all men see themselves in God that 's in Christ. And Pag. 9. that God is in our flesh as in Christ's for the mystery of faith was more than men imagine and it may be more than Paul wrote to the Romans and Churches of Galatia And Pag. 37. that Christ's coming againe promised Act. 1 11. was nothing but his coming in Spirit and power in the Saints and in their flesh when they are most confused and dark Further the same Mr Stalham in the book cited sheweth how they contradict Scriptures in several points as concerning Scriptures Trinity the Light within the Law Sin Iustification Regeneration Sanctification and its Perfection Christian warfare Repentance Meanes of grace Baptisme Lord's Supper Prayer Singing Elders and Ordination Ministers maintainance Immediat calling Immediat teaching Civil honour Swearing unto which might be added several things brought out of their writings by Mr Hicks beside what we shall have occasion to remark in this Author with whom we now deal By all which we may conjecture what a Gospel this is which they teach even another than we have in the Scriptures and than that which the Apostle taught And what welcome such as come with another Gospel were their credentials angelical unto which these men are strangers should have Paul hath taught us Gal. 1 8 9. as was mentioned above which is a sufficient warning for all that fear God to beware of these men 20. This man hath an high and mighty conceit of his Theses calling them though short yet ponderous and saying that they comprehend many things and denote the true original of knowledge of that knowledge which leadeth to life eternal And I do indeed conceive that they containe much though I dar not say the whole of the marrow of that Gospel whereof he is a dispensator we may look upon ourselves therefore as called more narrowly to consider and examine them If the matter contained in them were good I should not quarrel at their brevity but I see what they want in length the Apology hath Ponderous he calleth them but we know wet sand though of smal value is more ponderous than what is more worth and indeed so ponderous are they that they will sinke the poor soul that embraceth them without any other super added weight into the bottomless pit His saying that they pointe forth the true original of saving knowledg will never perswade me that they do so How defective they are as to this we may shew in the next Chapter Nay rather I dar say that they discover the true original of that science falsly so called which leadeth to the bottomless pit and this I hope to make appeare ere all be done 21. He tels us that he beareth witness to this truth in this his work But he must hold us excused to seek for a more sure ground to our faith and perswasion than his bare testimony especially when he speaketh not only not consonant to Scripture but so manifestly contrary thereto Indeed if we were called to rest upon his and his co-partners bare testimony all further dispute were at an end and we might cast our bibles at our heels and learn all our divinity at their mouth or at the light with in us rest thereupon notwithstanding it contradict sound reason and experience let be Scripture But through grace we have not yeâ— drunk-in that principle and therefore must stand upon our old bottome and go to the Law and to the Testimony 22. In fine he tels us that he leaveth this his testimony unto the light of Christ illuminating every one of our consciences which words may have a double sense as expressed in his latine and either import that he leaveth this his testimony as a confirmation of that light of Christ which illuminateth every man and if this be his meaning the preaching up of this light must be the whole of his Gospel worâ— and the whole Intent and designe of his writting and publishing these Theses yea if so these Propositions of his must serve for no other end but to confirme the truth and reality of this light of Christ But then I think They or He by them should have given us some clear discovery and explication of the nature of that light of Christ which is as he saith within every man which I finde
satisfie for sins 296 5. Christ with them procureth remission in procuring grace whereby Christ is formed within 308 24. Of Iustification 1. They confound Justification with Sanctification 295 2. And say that we are justified as we are sanctified 295 3. It is ridiculous and worse with them to think to be justified by the imputation of anothers righteousness 295 4. Yea they say such a justification is irrational irreligious ridiculous and dangerous 296 5. It is an abomination to say we are justified by imputation 296 6. Yea they call it a doctrine of Devils an arme of corruption 296 7. By the light within we are justified as well as sanctified say they 297 8. All the reconciliation we have by Christ is that we are made capable of reconciliation 302 303 304 308 9. Sanctification with them is the formal cause of Justification 305 311 10. They say we are justified by the revelation of Christ in the soul 316 11. We are justified by works of grace say they 321 12. What righteousness say they Christ performed without us is not our justification nor are we saved thereby 550 13. They deny all imputation of righteousness 11 25. Of Perfection 1. They say works done by grace are perfect 322 323 2. They plead for the perfection of Saints here 325. c. 3. They hold a perfect freedom from all sin 325 4. Sanctification must be perfect because say they it is Christ himself 326 5. Yet they say this perfection may be lost 332 6. And that some may come to that hight of perfection that they cannot sinne any more 332 26. Of Perseverance 1. They assert the Apostasie of the Saints 350. c. 27. Of Infallibility 1. They plead for infallibility to Ministers and to all Christians 378 28. Of the Patriachs 1. They say the Patriarchs had no faith of the Messias to come 289 29. Of the Church 1. They take-in under the Church all who obey the light within howbeit not professours of Christ or of Christianity 361 2. Pagans Turks Jewes though both Ignorant and Superstitious are members of the Church of the saved with them if they be good single hearted men 361 3. All members of their Churches teach 362 4. Such as are ignorant of the very history of Christ may be members of the Catholick Church that is of the Church of the saved 362 5. Yet members of particular Christian Churches must give assent and credite to truths delivered in the Scriptures 362 6. Outward profession is necessary to make one a member of a particular congregated Church though not of the Catholick Church 364 7. They deny men to be Christians by birth 364 8. They say none can be a member of the Church without grace 379 9. They make the Church or Fold the same with the Shepherd 545 10. With them all Members are Officers 10 30. Of Ministers 1. They say the light received prepareth constituteth and fournisheth a Minister 365 370 2. Ministers must be called by the Spirit and know that they are led and moved by the Spirit and be sensible of the work of the Spirit and of his inward call 372 3. The power and life of the Spirit is the most necessary qualification of a Minister 378 4. Ministers must have no learning but what is taught by the Spirit 283 384 386 5. They would have Ministers learning trades whereby to live 396 6. They will not have Ministers make use of what they have learned or read in their sermons 438 7. They will not have Ministers studying their sermons 431 441 8. They account all such Ministers of the world and of the letter who are for the ordinances of Christ 545 31. Of the Ministrie 1. They say all things concerning the Ministrie are in confusion in the Christian Church 366 2. They are against the Ministerial Office 387 389 3. They deny the distinct offices and officers in the Apostles dayes 388 389 391 4. They account all the Offices Officers Foâ—mes Shadowes 388 5. And to be the work of Anti-Christ the mystery of iniquity 389 6. They make the work of the Ministrie common to all 390 7. They make it free to all to preach in publick when moved by the Spirit 393 8. They deny there was any such Officers as Euangelists 393 394 9. They say Apostles Prophets c. were but distinct names 394 10. They allow women to preach publickly in the Churches 397 32. Of Ordination 33. They deny Ordination and Imposition of hands 377 33. Of Ordinances 1. They deny all external institutions in Worshipe 381 2. They do not acknowledge a precept for an ordinance where there is an Institution 491 3. They are against all ordinances calling them formes 545 4. They deny that ever God did or will reveal himself by them 545 5. They say Christ blotted them out and they must not be touched 545 6. To seek Christ in ordinances is to seek the living among the dead 545 546 34. Of the Sabbath 1. They deny the Lord's day to be the Christian Sabbath 412 2. They hold all dayes alike 412 35. Of Worship 1. They say all Worshipe must be done by inward Inspirations as to time place duration 411 2. They condemne our having a Preacher to preach in our solemne Worshipe 412 3. External actions in Worshipe need particular influences or enthusiasmes 461 4. When we move say they without the Spirit it is the uncleane part which offereth to God which he will not accept 545 36. Of the Quakers Worshipe 1. They have no preparation to their Worshipe 412 413 2. Nor do they beginne with prayer 413 3. Nor do they make any use of the Scriptures in their Worshipe 413 5. In their Worshipe they unchristian and un-man themselves 414 6. They talk of God's power transmitted from Vessel to Vessel whereby when one is affected all are affected 415 7. They lay aside all words even Scripture words in their Worshipe 415 8. Then they must Introvert unto the inward principle within them as unto the most excellent Doctor 415 9. This doctor teacheth them to cease from their own words and actions to feel the inward seed of life thereby be moved to pray preach or sing 416 10. And hence cometh a floud of refreshment that runneth over the whole company 416 11. And then they need neither Baptisme nor the Lords Supper 417 12. If one present be not introverted if the power be a little raised in the assembly he is presently laid hold on and this power warmeth him as fire warmeth a man 417 13. If any present wander in their imaginations one in whom the life is raised will feel a travelling womans paines for them and they will be pricked secretly though nothing be spoken 417 14. Yea if a stranger come to gaze mock he is so terrified at the sight that if his day of visitation be not past he becometh a convert 418 15. In the first place they must of necessity be silent
men who cannot certainly know this nor walk by an infallible rule in judging of this That which is necessary to make a man a member of the Visible Church a professing Christian that I grant is also necessary to make one a Minister both before God and men for men can judge hereof and have a certain and fixed rule whereby to judge of this profession whether it be true or not though not to judge whether it be sincere or not 2. That the inward work of the Spirit of grace is necessary to make one a true and gracious Christian or member of the Invisible Church is true but this is not requisite to make one a member of the visible Church And he would know that Ministers are set in the visible Church and are to covert such as are not yet members of the Invisible Church and this sheweth the inconsequence of his argument 3. The Inward Power and Vertue of the Spirit which he must meane can make a no man a Professour let be a Christian in truth and reality for it may be where there is no knowledg or hearing of Christ of the Gospel of the Covenant of grace or of any such thing even in an Heathen and Pagan who is yet without as such are called 1 Cor. 5 12 13. 1 Tim. 3 7. and is without Christ being an alien from the Commonwealth of Israel and a stranger from the Covenants of promise having no hope and without God in the world Ephes. 2 12. 8. His next argument is this All the Ministers of the N. Test. are Ministers of the Spirit and not of the letter 2 Cor. 3 6. And therefore such must be called by the Spirit and must know that he is led and moved by the Spirit and be sensible of the work of the Spirit and of his inward vocation Ans. 1. It is most true that Ministers of the N. T. are Ministers of the Spirit opposed to such as cryed up the Law and preached it as separated from Christ as the Jewes commonly did as our Quakers Pagan-preachers do must do according to their principles for they know no Gospel but are sworne enemies to it and plaine subverters of it and all the Ordinances thereof and are worse then the allegorical teachers of whom Beza maketh mention on 2 Cor. 3 6. 2. They may be said to be called by the Spirit who are gifted with the gifts of the Spirit fitting for preaching of the Gospel such as the word of Wisdom and the word of Knowledge 1 Cor. 12 vers 4 7 8 11. Whereby they are apt to teach 1 Tim. 3 2. and fit to take care of the Church vers 5. And those gifts in themselves considered are different from true and saving grace and yet come from the Spirit and are given to profite withall and so must be laid out to edification according to the way prescribed in the Gospel 3. What meaneth he by this must be called by the Spirit Is this an inward Inspiration or Enthusiasme saying to the man he must goe preach We reject all such phancies which he and other phanatick persons dream of and lean unto and account them plaine delusions of Satan which the very doctrine they deliver putteth beyond all question Mat. 24 24. 2 Thes. 2 9. Deut. 13 1. Gal. 1 8 9. Let him shew if he can any true ground warranting us to look for such immediat calls Is there a promise for this Or a command to expect it 4. His last words null his former argument and position for there he required only that they have the inward working of the Spirit but here he requireth more to wit that they know that they have it and are led and moved by the Spirit and are sensible of his work in them Or he must say that none can have grace but he must also know and feel that he hath it And consequently that such as feel not this to their owne satisfaction must peremptorily conclude that they have it not a dangerous position and untrue 9. A third argum followeth Pag. 179. If saith he the testimony of the Spirit be not essential and necessary to a Minister the Gospel Ministrie should be postponed to the legal for there the people knew who were officers and beside these ordinary there were extraordinary ones called by the immediat testimony of the Spirit But now we are vncertain and must have Pastors without all certain assent of Gods will Ans. 1. Then the thing he meaneth by a Call is a testimony of the Spirit such as the Prophets of old had or at least such as may be plaine and notoure not only to themselves who have it but to all so as they need no more doubt of it than the Jewes needed to doubt of the Priests and of the Levites or at least of the extraordinary Prophets that God sent among them And thinks he that this is had of his Quaker-Teachers and Pagan-Preachers No sure their speach and their erroneous doctrine publickly declareth that the testimony which they have is the testimony of a lying Spirit and of a Spirit of delusion that can easily deceive the possessors 2. Thinks he that there is no way now to know who are the lawfully called Servants of God He was pleased while speaking of the Scriptures to affirme some such thing that he might thereby implead their Perfection but we manifested his folly in that attempt there See Chap. IV § 31. 3 Will he tell us what that certaine assent of Gods will or this Testimony of the Spirit is whereby every one may know who is truely called of God who not Doth the Spirit when he calleth one to this work speak to the senses of all beholders and witness also to them that such an one is indeed called of the Spirit Is such a Testimony of the Spirit which every one can hear necessary to make a Christian Is this the inward Power and Vertue of the Spirit that he talked of 10. His last Arg. is from Christ's word 's Ioh. 10. They are thieves and robbers that câ—me not in by the door Which is very true But how will he prove that all such as want this testimony and this call which he speaketh of are such as Christ there meaneth They that enter by the way which Christ hath appointed come in by the door which he hath set open for them to enter by and have his warrand and approbation though they want this which he pretendeth to 11. He tels his Reader § 8. That against his doctrine we Object the Succession of the Church as sufficient And upon this his mistake he runneth out in many words to no purpose That Christ sent his Apostles immediatly is certain and undeniable That these Apostles ordained other ordinary ministers is unquestionable Act. 14 23. That they laid injunctions on these whom they had ordained to commit the same to faithful men is clear 2 Tim. 2 2. Tit. 1 5. 1 Tim. 3 1 15. and 5 21
this mans doctrine who seemeth to be one of the most sober among them all have we found any thing hithertil but Pelagianisme Secinianisme Arminianisme Enthusiasme Antiscripturisme Yea and Paganisme c have we seen any thing that doth not directly enough tend to overthrow the whole Gospel And what further we are to hear a little patience will help us to see He talks that they teach no new doctrine But doctrine more diametrically opposite yea contradictory to the whole Gospel of the grace of God a man shall finde no where else in such an heape So that albeit they should pretend to Miracles as they do to Immediat Revelations of the Spirit of God should do somethings more then ordinary like wonders I should account them but lying wonders their coming to be after the working of Satan according to 2 Thes. 2 3. Yea though an angel from heaven should come to head them and preach the doctrine which they preach I should remember that word of Paul's Gal. 1 vers 8 9. And therefore must account these Quakers no more Christians but an Antichristian Antievangelick brood of men acted and led by an evil Spirit designing the destruction of the Gospel and the setting up of Paganisme What he saith § 13. about the Independants and their gifted Brethren is not worth the noticeing for as to the matter he referreth us to what he had said before upon the Scriptures and we have eâ—amined Chap. IV. Only I would enquire If as he saith no man can know by the Scriptures that he in particular is called to be a Minister and therefore must recurre to an Inward and Immediat Testimony of the Spirit he must also say that no man can know that another is a Minister but by the Inward and Immediat Testimony of the Spirit and therefore he cannot be offended at us that we do not beleeve that he and the rest of the Quakers are sent of God because we have no Inward and Immediat Testimony of the Spirit concerning this and we are confident never shall have from the Spirit of God And though the Scriptures do not particularly and expresly tell us that Robert Barclay is a false Teacher and ought to be shuned as a false Teacher it saith that which is enough to us concerning him and his complices when it saith that all that bring another Gospel are to be accounted accursed and the whole Scripture that pointeth forth and declareth the Truth and condemneth their Errours as we have seen and shall see is as good to us as an Immediat Testimony saying the Quakers and particularly Robert Barclay are deceivers yea better more sure for some men can take the dreams of their owne head the impressions of Satan upon their phantasie for immediat testimonies of the Spirit of God but enough of this above Chap. III. 15. But he hath something Pag. 190. § 14. that would seem to answere that question we just now proposed for after hee hath againe nakedly told us that this extraordinary call for he nameth it so here is as well necessary when the Church is setled as when it is under a general Apostacy he saith that such as are thus called are made manifest in the mindes of their brethren and their call is verified in them who by the sensation of that life and virtue that floweth out by them are dâ—yly edified in their most holy faith and become the signes of their Apostleshipe according to 2 Cor. 13 v. 3. Ans. 1. But as yet there is no Inward Testimony of the Spirit directly saying that such men are truely called and without this in his judgment they cannot be said to be taught and led of the Spirit nor can they beleeve without this 2. Is this manifestation alwayes at every discourse or sometimes only Is it upon all their hearts or upon some only It may be there lyeth an answere in these words their brethren But the signes of the Apostleshipe of Paul were among strangers whom he converted and brought in to the faith And if this manifestation be alwayes and upon all present he layeth down a ground to question Christs Apostleshipe and Call for his preaching had not alwayes this effect as is notoure Nor Pauls and Barnabas theirs among the Jewes as the book of the Acts sheweth and 2 Thes. 2. Nay let that word be considered 2 Cor. 2 15 16. for we are unto God a sweet savour in Christ in them that are saved and in them that perish to the one the savour of death unto death and to the other the savour of life unto life And that Esai 49 4. Then said I I have laboured in vaine I have spent my strength for nought and in vaine surely my judgment is with the Lord and my work with my God and that Esai 53 Who hath believed our report And to whom is the arme of the Lord revealed if he think it enough that this manifestation be made sometimes upon the the mindes of some Alas Poor man thinks he that there are none of all the servants of Christ who dar not be so bold as he is to pretend a Divine Immediat Call through an Extraordinary and Immediat Revelation that can say the same and that upon a more just account As for his brethren they are under the same delusion with their Teachers and the sensation they have of life and vertue is but the sensation of the workings of delusion and no edification or building up in the holy faith but in opposition to that faith which was once delivered to the saints as is manifest to all that heare them and read their books and as this book which is now under examination hath made more manifest to me than all that ever I heard or read of them before 15. He addeth This is that which giveth the true and substantial call and title unto the Minister whereby he is a real successour of the vertue and power that was in the Apostles Ans. 1. Then the extraordinary call was no true and substantial call or title Then Ezechiel who was sent to a rebellious house that would not heare had no true and substantial call nor Moses when he was sent unto Pharaoh 2. They who are a savour of death unto death to some may yet for all that be successours to the Apostles 3. But I see what this man would be at The Quaker-Preachers though as we have manifested above nothing in truth but Pagan preachers must be the only successours of the Apostles and Possessours of the power and vertue that was in them What more Such Ministers stand not in need of the ceremony of Ordination and Imposition of hands Ans. Why then were hands laid upon Paul Barnabas Act. 13 3. And why had Timothy the laying on of the hands of the Presbytery 1 Tim. 4 14. If such made use of this ceremony shall any Minister now a dayes think it below him to do the like But sayes he Our adversaries
for it toucheth not the question Our Ministers are not hired for so much yeerly they must preach whether they get their aliment or not If any be so mercenary that he will not preach without so much as he can bargan for either for longer or shorter time I will not defend the practice but a setled maintenance by Law preventeth all this And we have seen how many of the Lord's worthies preach and have preached withall readiness of minde though they have had nothing of that setled maintainance now for several yeers 12. He cometh afterward to speak of Superfluous maintainance And I shall not much speak for it Only I think his description of it is too faulty when he calleth that Superfluous which is more then is necessary that is is more then food and raiment for he citeth 1 Tim. 6 7 8 9 10. as the only confirmation of this And yet this place is impertinent for it is not meaned of Ministers only but is applicable to all And I suppose Quakers have something more themselves than food and rayment Report wrongeth them if the most part of them be not richer then ordinary However I do not envy their riches but wish it be all lawfully gained And I finde not the Apostle in that place simply condemning riches but a will be rich and a love of money and a coveting of it 13. What he saith § 31. of the excessive rents and revenues of Bishops both Popish and Protestant I meddle not with I plead only for a competent honorary as due to all that labour in the Lords vineyard As for the objection which thereafter he starteth I desiderate ingenuity in it He should not have said Christians in general or indefinitely for these times have given proof of the liberality of many in supplying richly the wants of Christs necessitous servants Sufferers which is on record in heaven But at most Some members of the visible Church are so hard that if Ministers had not a certain and fixed maintainance they should die for hunger That is if the Lord did not otherwayes provide for them What answereth he to this This saith something for the carnal Ministrie consisting of natural men who have no life nor power and so must have such a maintainance but it saith nothing for them who are called of God and sent he sendeth none upon their owne charges and who goe forth for him in his power and authority to turne people from darkness to light such can confide in God he will provide for them Answ. This is one of the popular insinuations of our Quakers but hath little in it either of Sense or Reason For 1. Paul did not plead for a carnal Ministrie when he reasoned for their maintainance but for such as were sent in the name of the Lord and were to serve him in the Gospel of his Son in turning people unto God 2. The Priests and Levites were called of God to their work and yet for all that they had their fixed and setled maintainance 3. When Christ sent his 70. Disciples he said the labourer was worthy of his hire And though Christ did provide for them Yet that was by meanes of people And he supposed there would be some who would not make them very welcome for a testimony against whom they were to shake the dust off their feet 4. Baals Priests in the dayes of Iezabel were very richly provided for when the lawful servants of God were put to great straites shall we therefore say that these Priests of Baal were the only called of God sent forth in his Power and Authority and that the Servants of the Lord were but a carnal Ministrie This were to argue carnally with belly arguments as our Quakers do 5. Knoweth he not that Idolatrous and Superstitious Priests are better cared for after this manner ordinarily then the true and faithful servants of God must they therefore be the only spiritual men A noble argument for Heathens and Papists and the Turkish Muftees What followeth is but a rabble of Quakerish and confused discourse having neither head nor taile And his conclusion for taking away all setled maintainance because of the abuses which he saith not telling when nor where nor by whom some have committed in that mater is like himself and is as if one should have reasoned against all the setled maintainance of Ministers under the Law because the Sons of Eli where chargeable with abuses therein And this could have been said with more colour of reason after our Quakers logick for these abuses were certain and notoure but our Quakers allaigances may be false and though true as to some circumstances Yet as to other circumstances utterly impertinent As for the summe of his discourse upon this Thesis of the Ministry which he layeth downe Pag. 218. c. § 23. I need take no notice of it the Falshood Groundlesness and Impertinency of these particulars being already discovered and his vanity made notoure unâ—o all by what we have discoursed Nor need I tell the Reader that howbeit they use great swelling words of vanity in crying up their Ministery as only spiritual and what not Yet at the bottome they are but Pagan-preachers prompted called qualified moved and acted by corrupt Nature designing Paganish Antichristianisme this being manifest from what is hitherto said CHAP. XXII Of the Quakers silent worshipe 1. THe summe of his Eleventh Thesis which is concerning Worshipe is That all acts of worshipe must be performed as to manner duration times and places by inward Inspirations and immediat Enthusiasmes which are the only rule and principle thereof And that all worshipe that is otherwayes performed is but will worshipe and abominable idolatry which now in the day of Christs Spiritual Resurrection is to be rejected and separated from howbeit it hath pleased the Lord who wincked at the times of ignorance having respect to the simplicity and integrity of some because of his owne innocent seed buried in mens hearts under the masse of superstition to breath upon these raise up anâ— heare some groanes for a little untill the day should clear up Whereby he would give us to understand that Christs spiritual resurrection was never till now and that God never was worshiped aright till the generation of Quakers arose but hithertil Superstition and Idolatry hath raged in all the Churches no times no places excepted though God was pleased to breath upon some here and there raise up some groans in them and hear them possibly he meaneth the Anabaptists of Germany or some such like Phanaticks that History giveth us some account of and to winck at the rest until now because of his seed that is in the heart of all Pagans as well as Christians and lay burried under the rubbish of Superstition and Idolatry The maine thing which according to what is held forth in the Thesis we might expect to finde cleared and confirmed in his Apology is the being acted and moved to and in all
and so he confirmeth what other Quakers mentioned above § 9. say viz. That there are no commands there for them because given to particular persons and Churches upon particular occasions And thus the very Law of the Ten Commandements which I have vindicated sufficiently elsewhere which Christ himself did interpret and confirme is laid aside as having no power over us Thus the Quakers join hands with the Antinomians that they may become a perfect Sinke of all errours I am sure the Church of Corinth might with greater shew of reason have rejected that Law which Paul urgeth them with 1 Cor. 9 9 10. and Timothy also 1 Tim. 5 18. what shall we say to these Old Testament Lawes and Scriptures pressed in the New Rom. 13 8 9.10 Ephes. 6 2. 2 Cor. 6 17. 1 Pet. 2 13 14. 1 Cor. 14 v. 34. What have we to do with all Christ's commands the Apostles their injunctions 2 Thess. 3 v. 4 6 10 12. 1 Tim. 4 v. 11. 1 Cor. 7 10. Mat. 28 20. 1 Thess. 4 11. Mat. 15 4. Ioh. 15 12. 1 Ioh. 3 23. Rom. 7 10 12. 16 26 1 Tim. 1 5. Tit. 1 3. 2 Pet. 2 21. 3 2. 1 Ioh. 2 7. 3 11. 2 Ioh. 4 6. Ioh. 13 34. 1 Ioh. 2 8. Ioh. 14 21. 1 Cor. 7 19. 14 37. Revel 22 14. Act. 17 30. Rom. 2 12 13 23 25 26 27. 3 31. 4 15. 7 14 16 18 22. 1 Tim. 1 8. Gal. 3 19 21. 5 14. 6 2. Iam. 1 25. 2 8 9 10 11 12. 4 11. 1 Ioh. 3 4. Rom. 1 5. 16 19 26. 2 Cor. 7 15. 10 5 6. 1 Pet. 1 vers 2 Ephes. 6 5. Tit. 2 9. 1 Pet. 1 14. 2 Cor. 2 9. Not to mention his Ordinances of which afterward and all the examples set downe to us for Imitation and Instruction By this argueing the whole Historical part of the Bible is laid aside Further by this Mans doctrine no man is a Man of God but they All others are Natural They are Spiritual and Holy and the Scriptures are only for such and some might think that others had as much need of them But the designe is That all others besides themselves may look upon them selves as not concerned in them and so may lay them aside as useless and when the Quakers are once become the sole keepers of these Oracles we shall quickly know what shall be come of them But blessed be God they are under another eye and under a surer key Beside that by the Apostles doctrine Rom. 15. Every one that is to please his Nieghbour for good to edification vers 2. is to look on the Scriptures as written for his use and learning vers 4. and 2 Tim. 3 15 16. every one that standeth in need of Salvation and hath need to be made wise thereunto must plye the Scriptures for this end We see also that the Scripturs have attained their full end in the Quakers and therefore they have no more do to with them but to observe to their Confirmation the samenes◠of Spirit speaking in them speaking in the Scripture so we must look upon them all as Perfected throughly furnished for every good work That which he addeth in end out of the Ap. Peter is with a witness verified in them 2 Pet. 3 16. 43. Thereafter § 6. He seemeth to grant much concerning the Scriptures when he saith They account them the most fit outward judge of controversies among Christians and what ever doctrine is contrary to them should be accounted heresie c. But howbeit we accept what is granted and are content to try their doctrine by this judge have done so hithertill accordingly must reject their doctrine as damnable heresie and will finde more cause hereafter to continue in this our judgment yet we cannot but take notice That they are driven to this necessity by urgency of their Adversaries and that they know of a refuge for themselves for they are perswaded as we may suppose the Spirit within them is the very same with the Spirit speaking in the Scriptures and he cannot in them contradict what he hath said in the Scriptures And if any discrepancy or contradiction be it is but in appearance and that unto the blinde Understanding of a Natural Man as he speaketh afterward that is it but seemeth so to all that are not Quakers and so notwithstanding of this it is no real contradiction let the appearance be never so great So that it is not possible to convince them of any mistake out of the Scriptures for the Spirit speaking within them cannot speak contrary thereto And further this is to be observed that for all this the Scriptures are no Rule no Law having any force upon our Consciences to Obedience No man is to learne any Truth or Doctrine out of them And thus they take away both Law and Gospel the Scriptures both of the Old and New Testament as a Law upon which we are to meditate day and night and which we are to make the men of our counsel and to propose to ourselves as a copy unto which we are to conforme our way and walk and this is to destroy their main end which is to make us wise unto Salvation to convert the soul and to hold forth to us the whole counsel of God concerning Faith and Manners 44. In end § 9. Pag 50. He frameth an Objection against his owne doctrine to this purpose If the Scriptures be not our chiefe only and adequate Rule it is no compleet canon and men who pretend to be acted by the Spirit may adde new Scriptures and so incurre the curse denunced against such they may introduce a new Gospel I should rather have framed the Objection thus If his doctrine be true the Scriptures are no Rule or canon at all and we are as much obliged to beleeve and Obey the dreames and dictats of phantastick Quakers as the Scriptures And how absurd this is every one may judge But let us see what he Replieth He granteth that all false Revelations which are contrary to the Scriptures are to be disclamed This is well and therefore we reject with his warrand his Revelations as false But he will deny that his Revelations are false because the Spirit within him which is the Spirit of Truth and the same Spirit that inspired the Prophets and Apostles saith they are true yea they cannot but be true because proceeding from that Spirit that can reveal nothing but truth and thus we are no more secured then we were yea as I said we are obliged to beleeve all that they say and rather to lay aside our Iudgment and all Sense of Scripture truths than once doubt or question the truth of what they deliver Next he saith The doctrine he hath delivered is true and therefore who adduce such consequences accuse Christ and his Apostles This is but a manifest declaration of his Pride
of his grace the soul lay hold on the offered salvation and accept of the alsufficient offered Mediator we utterly deny it affirming faith to be the pure gift of God wrought by the exceeding greatness of his power according to the working of his mighty power or according to the working of the might of his power Ephes. 1 19. 2 8. And that this faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God Rom 10 17. So that we see nor how any without the Church or the hearing of the word of God and of the word of the Gospel revealing Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God can beleeve not how any wâ—thin the Church and who hear the sound of the Gospel daily can beleeve without the grace of God working Faith by the Operation of his Spirit and thus concurring with the word And therefore we deny Salvation to be Possible in this Quakers sense to any yea even to the Elect otherwayes we must reject the Scriptures of truth and embrace the Pelagian Errour and lay aside all prayer for the Spirit of grace to work faith and only make our supplications to Lord Free will and think to batter the wals of Freewill with meer Moral Swasion as Iesuites Arminians and Socinians with the old Pelagians imagine and sacrifice to our own net and burn incense to our own drag Free will because by it our portion is fat and our meat plenteous And so give thanks with the damned to God that hath made salvation onely Possible but to ourselves alone for making it Actual and for obtaining the crown and prize 12. Having thus in short proposed our Judgment after hearing of his Opinion we come now to examine the proofs of his Proposition which he layeth down Pag. 93. c. § 19. And first in general he saith That it is manifest from the complaints which the Spirit of God useth in the Scriptures against such as perish chideing and reproving them for rejecting Gods visitation and love and refuseing his mercy Ans. 1. His Proposition is Universal and these Complaints anâ— Reproofs are only Particular viz. against such as were within the Church so they can prove nothing 2. Neither will these Reproofs c. prove that such had power and ability to embrace mercy and love offered unto them without the grace of God as say Iesuites and Arminians for the Scripture tels us that God must give the new heart Ier. 31 33 34. 32 39 40. Ezech. 11 19 20. 36 26 27 Heb. 8 10. and that none cometh to the Son but whom the Father draweth Ioh. 6 44 45. and that it is God that worketh in us both to will and to do Phil. 2 13. And to gather our Power and Ability out of the Commands and measure the one by the other is the very core of Pelagianisme and Arminianisme for upon this ground did Pelagius conclude that we could keep the whole Law perfectly as this man also saith Heare Pelagius himself ad Demetriadem cited by Vossius Histor. Pelag. lib. 5. part 1. Thes. 6. Duplici ignorantia accusamus Deum Inscientiae ut videatur nescire quod fecit nescire quod iussit quasi oblitus fragilitatis humanae cujus Author ipse est imposuerit homini mandata quae ferre non possit Simulque prô-nefas adscribimus Iniquitatem Iusto Pio Crudelitatem dum aliquid impossibile praecepisse conquerimur deinde pro his damnandum esse hominen ob ea quae vitare non potuit ut quod etiam suspicari Sacrilegium est videatur Deus non tam salutem nostram quaesisse quam poenam Itaque Apostolus sciens a Domino justitiae ac majestatis nihil impossibile esse praeceptum aufert a nobis vitium murmurandi quod tunc utique nascisolet cum aut iniqua sunt quae jubentur aut jubentis minus digna persona est Quid tergiversamur incassum Nemo magis novit mensuram virium nostrarum quam qui ipsas vires nobis dedit Nec quisquam melius quantum possimus intelligit quam qui ipsam virtutem nobis posse donavit nec impossibile aliquid voluit imperare qui justus est nec damnaturus hominem fuit pro eo quod vitare non potuit qui pius est Which in short is this That to say that God should command any thing which is not in our power to do were to accuse God of Ignorance as not knowing mans power and of Iniquity Cruelty and Sacrilege commanding that which he knew we could not do and thereafter condemning us for not doing of it This Quaker may see his owne face in this glass 13. He citeth further the words of God to Cain Gen. 4 6 7. and saith that this timeous admonition and promise of pardon upon condition he did well saith that he bad a day of visitation wherein it was possible for him to be saved That it was possible for Cain through the grace of God to have done well and obtained the excellency we affirme but that he had power without this grace all this admontion cannot prove so that as is said it is pure Pelagianisme for him to adde God could not propose that condition to do well to him if he had not given him sufficient strength to do well Had Pharaoh sufficiency of strength moral to let the people of Israel go when God had hardened his heart so as he should not let them go If not how could God send Moses to him with a word of command This man told us Thesis 4. That man in his Natural state could know nothing aright and that all his Imaginations Words and Actions were evil and only evil continually Now I enquire if such a man can be said to have sufficiency of strength to know God and things divine and to do well If not then it seemeth by this mans doctrine here that God can impose no command upon such to know God and to do well We know that God giveth the heart to perceive eyes to see and eares to hear Deut. 29 4. and that the carnal minde is enmity against God for it is not subject to the Law of God neither indeed can be Rom. 8 7. And that the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God for they are foolishness unto him neither can he know them becauss they are spiritually discerned 1 Cor. 2 14. He citeth to the same purpose Gen. 6 3. And we deny not that the Spirit speaking after the manner of men for such expressions cannot bâ— understood properly of God is said to contend with men to wit by his Word and Servants whom he sendeth forth to deal with men in his name So did he thus strive long with this old world by his messengers the Patriarches particularly by Noah called a preacher of righteousness 2 Pet. 2 5. But what of this This day of Visitation saith he which he granteth to every one is such as therein the Lord is said to waite and be
hath appeared to all men that is was preached and plainly declared and made manifest in the Gospel administration he dreameth of a saving grace given to every man and received by every man and so what the Apostle speaketh of Outward grace or of the Outward Dispensation of grace he understandeth of Inward grace wrought and rooted in the heart Finally neither can he hence prove that ever any without the Church was or shall be really saved for as we said a possibility or may be will not inferre a shall be or must have been And will he say that this grace which teacheth to live soberly righteously and godly in this present world hath appeared to all heathens who never understood the right way of worshiping of God in Christ according to his word Whatever the light of nature might teach them darkly concerning Sobriety and Temperance as to themselves and concerning Righteousness in their dealings with others as also concerning the unreasonableness of their Idolatry Act. 14 16 17. 1â— 29 Râ—m 1 20 21 23 25 28. Yet it could never acquant them with the Instituted and Prescribed Worshipe of God and with true Gospel godliness or with any essential and necessary part thereof 4. Another argument to prove this possibility of salvation to heathens he bringeth from Rom. 5 18. Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life And he will needs have all men in the last part to be of as large an extention as it is in the first part little considering that hereby he shall not only prove a possibility of salvation to all men which is the thing he intendeth here but also that all men are and shall be actually saved for judgment came upon all the posterity of Adam not potentially only but actually and this Justification of life is actual and real justification through the imputed righteousness of Christ which who ever hath shall really obtaine life But he perverteth the words of the Apostle to evite this absurdity when he frameth his argument thus If all men received by Adam evil leading to damnation then all men did also receive benefite by Christ leading to justification while as the Apostle saith that judgment came upon all men to condemnation and Beza well sheweth that it is reatus or guilt or judgment that is here to be understood as is clear from vers 16. for the judgment was by one to condemnation the free gift which must also here be supplied from vers 16 came upon all men unto justification of life So that it was not any thing having a kinde of tendency or manuducency unto Condemnation or Justification which yet might fail but it was that which is necessarily attended with Condemnation in the one and Justification in the other or rather was Condemnation and Iustification it self as the Syriak version hath it But whatever this man imagineth the sense and meaning of the place is clear that as all whom Adam represented did by his one Offence incurre Condemnation so all whom the second Adam Christ Iesus did represent did by his Righteousness obtaine Iustification as we cleared above on another occasion and therefore need say no more to iâ— now 5. He citeth to this same purpose Esai 49 6. Where Christ is said to be given for a Light to the Gentiles But its impertinency is obvious for though Christ be given foâ— a light to the Gentiles who under the Gospel dispensation are not excluded as they were under the law yet it will not follow that all such Gentiles as never once hear of his name or have this Gospel declared unto them may as well be saved as such who are brought within the Church and have this light of the Gospel which bringeth life and immortality with it shineing among them And further Christ becometh a light to the Gentiles by opening the blinde eyes by bringing out the prisoners from the prison and them that fit in darkness out of the prison house as the parallel place Esai 42 6.7 cleareth And all this is done by preaching of the Gospel as we see in Pauls commission Act. 26 18. And as this same Prophet cleareth Esai 61 1 2 3. Where Christ himself as we see Luk. 4 18. by preaching good tidings unto the meâ—k bindeth up the broken hearted and proclameth liberty to the captives and the opening of the prison to them that are bound c. 6. In the next place he assayeth to prove that some such have been really saved and he saith that to think otherwise is against all charity and he seeth not how it can be made good But our charity is not to be blinde but is to be ruled by the word And he should know that he is now the affirmer and should prove what he asserteth What saith he to Act. 4 12 He answereth That though outwardly they do not know yet inwardly feeling his power and vertue they know inwardly his name really redeeming them from sin and iniquity and so may be saved But how proveth he that such as are without the Church and Covenant and hear not of Christ in the Gospel and have no external knowledge can have any inward feeling of the power of Christ as a Saviour And how can he show to us that this gloss doth agree with and not manifestly cross the scope of Peter in that place Both these I deny and in this he goeth further than Vasques and other Papists who say that even heathens and such as have no faith in Christ may get of his grace to do things morally good See Estius also in secund sent dist 41. § 3. His adding Pag. 114 that salvation is not in a literal knowledge is impertinent for he should prove that salvation is where there is no literal knowledge nor meanes thereunto His supposing that there can be a real inward and experimental knowledge of Christ where there is no outward or literal knowledge is but a dream which we cannot receive without clear proof His argument is a plaine non-sequitur If saith he a distinct outward knowledge of Christ be necessary to me before I receive any benefite by him then by the rule of contraries it will follow that I can incurre no dammage unless I have a distinct knowledge of him For when captâ—ves are in prison and one offereth to redeem them upon such such conditions and he thinketh good to make known the conditions to some and not to others can any raâ—ional man think that because the ignorance of these conditions is prejudicial to the redemption of some that therefore these same can be accouâ—ted no prisoners until they hear of these conditions Redemption which Christ bringeth with him supposeth persons already lying in bondage slavery and misery and is not offered to persons that are free at liberty But if the man will here understand that dammage which
irreprehensible and sinless It is said of them indeed that they were blameless as all Pastors should be 1 Tim. 3 2. anâ— all Christians Phil. 2 15. but not that they were sinless And August lib. cont Caelest distinguisheth betwixt esse sine peccato esse sine querela and he sayes this may be said of some but that of none but of Christ. What he saith from Ephes. 2 5 6. is true viz. that such as sit with Christ to wit Actually sin no more but now they sit not actually there but only in Christ Jesus their head As for Heb. 12 22 23. whatever beginnings there may be thereof here Yet its fulness is above Revel 14 5. speaketh not of Perfection here but of their blamelesness that is their Sincerity and Uprightness And this is all that he adduceth to prove his Opinion by and how slender his grounds are let any judge 28. He comes at length to answere some of our arguments § 9. Pag. 161. c. And to that brought from 1 Ioh. 1.8 if we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves the truth is not in us He wondereth that we are so blinde partial as to alleige this place against which so much might be said Let us hear what can be said He saith That we doth not include the Apostle as we see Iam. 3 9 10. Ans. That place of Iames taketh in all even the Apostles though not for the present time and that was sufficient to prove what a member the tongue was And he might say as well that the Apostle is not included 1 Ioh. 1 7 9 10. Nor Chap. 2 1 2 3. But nâ—xt be it so that the Apostle is not here expresly included it is sufficient for us that it is spoken of beleevers to whom Iohn wrote that their joy might be full vers 4. and who have interest in the bloud of Christ vers 7. and are children Chap. 2 vers 1. and have an advocate with the Father Iesus Christ the righteous ibid. and are brethren vers 7. who had their sinnes forgiven them vers 12. and knew the Father vers 13. and among these come in also the young men and the Fathers mentioned vers 13 14. What saith he next Here it is not said that we daily sin in word and deed far less that all our best works are sinful for the following verse showeth the contrary where it is said that such as confess their sins get pardon and are washen and this cleansing cannot be meaned of remitting the guilt for that was expressed by forgiving otherwise there should be a tautology here Ans. 1. It is sufficient that this place proveth that beleevers are not so perfect as to be sinless here 2. It is true beleevers confessing their sins and fleeing to Christ by faith obtaine remission of their sins and it is also true that Christs bloud cleanseth them from guilt and staine but that cleansing from the staine and filth is not perfect here for then there were no need of remission and beleevers might say they had no sin contrare to what is here said verse 8. and Chap. 2 1. In the 3. place he distinguisheth betwixt sinning and having sin as Volkelius the Socinian lib. 5. c. 19. did to elude this place betwixt having of sin and being accustomed to sin and then tels us that because all have sinned it may be said of them that they have sin Just as Smalcius the Socinian said disp 6. de Bonis Oper. Pag. 178. But we Ans. That the Apostle expresly saith both that we have sin vers 8. and that we have had sin vers 10. And he that sinneth in the present time he hath sin in the present time And beside this having of sin he supponeth that they may sin saying Chap. 2 1 My little children these things write I unto you that ye sin not that is not that ye have not had sin And if any man sin that is in the present and future time We have an advocate with the Father c. And it is observable that the Apostle cleareth vers 9. what he meaned by having of sin vers 8. by saying if we confess our sinnes he is faithful and just to forgive us our sinnes For here he can mean no other than such sinnes as need foregiveness and not such as were formerly was hen away by the bloud of Jesus vers 7. Moreoveâ— he tels us that sin may be taken for the seed of sin that for some time remaineth even in such as are redeemed from actual sin and when the children of God resist the temptations that come from this seed it is not their sin but the Devils that tempteth Ans. 1. This seed of sin is sinful and as lonâ— as this seed of sin is in them they cannot be perfect 2. The Apostle is speaking of actual sins not excluding this seed and body of death which must be confessed before they be actually pardoned and they cleansed from the guilt of them vers 9. 3. In so far as the godly resist these temptations they do well but even these sinful motions of corruption within them are transgressions of the Law and should be mourned for and are evidences that the flesh lusteth against the Spirit so that they do not what they should do every way as they ought to do What he saith in the last place to wit That this place should not be so wrested as to speak against what the same Apostle saith frequently in the same Epistle Is founded upon his presumption and false supposition that he hath proven this Perfection from this Epistle the conâ—rary whereof is shown 29. To 1 King 8 46. and Eccles. 7 20. he answereth That there is nothing here said of sinning daily Yea Salâ—mon in that place two verses thereafter speaketh of them that turne from their sinnes with all their heart which insinuateth a possibility of relinquishing sin Ans. It is expresse in Ecclesiastes that there is not a just man upon earth that doth good and sinneth not clearly importing that even in their doing good they sinne and so that they sinne daily What followeth 1 King 8 48. speaketh only of their Repentance which we deny not to be possible but nothing of this possibility of not sinning He answereth 2. Though it were granted that at that time there was no man that sinned not yet it will not follow that there are none such now or that it is Impossible there should be any such Ans. 1. Then he must say either that at that time there were none Regenerate no not Solomon himself or that his position is false which maketh this common to all Regenerate persons 2. We have proven it not only under the Old Test. but also under the New what needs more 3. We do not speak of a simple impossibility as if it surpassed the power of God to cause such a thing but of an ordinary impossibility matters standing as they are in the wise ordination of God who
Body the fulness of him that filleth all in all Ephes. 1 10 22 23. 5 23 27 32. Col. 1 18. The visible Church which is also Catholick or Universal under the Gospel not confined to one Nation as before under the Law consists of all these throughout the world that profess the true Religion 1 Cor. 1 2. 12 12 13. Psal. 2 8. Revel 7 9 Rom. 15 9 10 11 12. together with their children 1 Cor. 7 14. Act. 2 39. Ezech. 16 20 21. Rom. 11 16. Gen. 3 15. 17 7. and is the Kingdom of the Lord Iesus Christ Mat. 13 47. Esai 9 7. the house and family of God Ephes 2 19. 3.15 out of which there is no ordinary possibility of Salvation Act. 2 47. Unto this Catholick visible Church Christ hath given the Ministrie Oracles and Ordinances of God for the gathering and perfecting of the Saints in this life to the end of the world And doth by his owne Presence and Spirit according to his promise make them effâ—ctual thereunto 1 Cor. 12 28. Ephes. 4 11 12 13. Mat. 28 19 20. Esai 59 21. Adde hereunto Quaest. 63. of our Larger Catechisme What are the special privileges of the Visible Church Ans. The visible Church hath the privilege of being under God's special care and government Esai 4 5 6. 1 Tim. 4 10. of being protected and preserved in all ages notwithstanding the opposition of all enemies Psal. 115. throughout Esai 31 4 5. Zech. 12 2 3 4 8 9. and of enjoying the Communion of saints the ordinary Meanes of Salvation Act. 2 39 42. Offers of grace by Christ to all the members of it in the ministrie of the Gospel testifying that whosoever believes in him shall be saved Psal. 147 19 20. Rom. 9 4. Ephes. 4 11 12. Mark 16 15 16. and excluding none that will come unto him Ioh. 6 37. 2. Here is our doctrine laid downe in few words What would this man now say He giveth us first the Etymology of the greek word that we render Church and thence tels us that an Ecclâ—sia or Church is nothing else but a company of such as God hath called out of this world Against which I have nothing to say only for clearing the matter I would adde That there is a company called out of the world by the grace of God power of his Spirit to worshipe him in Spirit and in Truth and this is that company which is called the Church invisible because their union with their Head and with one another is by a bond of true and saving Faith and sincere Love which are not obvious to the eyes of men As also there is a greater company of persons called out of the world to profess the Name of Jesus to worshipe Him outwardly according to his word and to owne him for their King by submitting to his Lawes Ordinances Officers by an outward profession And this is that company which is called the visible Church because both their exercise their bond of union with this King with one another is outward obvious to the eye to wit an open Profession of the true Religion outward submission to following of the ordinances institutions of Christ But as to this visible Church in his following words he seemeth to take no notice thereof for he describeth to us the Church Invisible and then tels us that without this Church there is no salvation But this is impertinently spoken for that Church is made up only of the elect And if we should speak of the Invisible Churâ—h as now existing in this world we could not say that any elect belonged to it but such as were effectually called for the rest were not yet called out of the world or out of their state of nature and he told us that a church is a company of persons called out of the world To say thâ—n that there is no salvation out of that company that are already affectually called is neither pertinent nor truth for there are many who are not yet called whom God will in due time call and bring home and these whom he hath elected he doth bring into the visible Church where they may enjoy the ordinances which God hath appointed â—or Conversion And therefore we say that out of this visible Church there is ordinarily no salvation But all this is said by him to make way for his Church that will take in Heathens Pagans Turks and Tartars that never heard nor never shall hear a word of Jesus Christ which Church as he would delineate it to us hath not the least relation to Christ as Head and King nor any advantage of or interest in the Institutions of Jesus Christ. And what a Church this shall be let any sober Christian judge 3. But let us heare himself speak He calleth the Church a company of such as God hath called out of this world that they may walk in his light and Life One might readily suppose that this were good but hear more Vnder this notion saith he of the Church all these are comprehended of what Nation Kinde Tongue or Family they be though far removed from and strangers to these who profess Christ and Christianity in words and enjoy the Scriptures who obey the divine light and testimony of God within them so as by it they become sanctified and washen Ans. That is in short All Heathens and Pagans who have never heard of Christ or of Christianity belong to this Church of persons called out of the world to walk in God's Light and Life if they have obeyed the Light of Nature and of a Natural Conscience teaching to abstean from grosse sinnes This is the Quakers Church and the Church of persons effectually called out of the world which they mean which is nothing else but a Church of moralized Pagans A pagan-Church without the Knowledge of Christ Profession of Christ Faith in Christ Worshipe of Christ Acknowledgment of Christ Union with Christ without the Gospel of Christ and the Spirit of Christ. Anâ— though he call this the Catholick Spirit and the secret life and vertue of Iesus Yet it is in truth nothing but Catholick nature which cannot understand the things of the Gospel This is further confirmed by what he addeth Therefore saith he they may be members of this Catholick Church who are Pagans Turks and Iewes and of every seck among Christians if they be good single hearted men though they be ignorant and superstitious Thus we see the Quakers Church is erected according to the Covenant of works and that now broken founded upon the Law of Nature directed by the Light of Nature and to it belong all civil outwardly moral persons whatever Religion they have and how superstitious soever they be Yea though they worshipe stocks and stones and the Devil for there is no exception here Reader what thinkest thou now of this Church of this Profession and of this Religion It is Catholick I confess alas
who use it confess that the power of communicating the holy Ghost is ceased among them And is it not ridiculous to imitate the shadow when the substance is away Ans We say not that the holy Ghost was alwayes given by imposition of hands let him look not to mention instances in the Old Testament where it had no such use Mark 10 v. 16. 16 v. 18. Luk. 13 13. And even where it was used toward Church-officers it did not alwayes carry alongs with it the giving of the holy Ghost as we see Act. 13 3. it was used towards Paul who before that had been filled with the holy Ghost Act. 9 17. The same also we read of Barnabas before this time Act. 11 24. So then though this power be not and this use of imposition of hands be ceased yet its use in Ordination and Ordination it self must not be cast away by such as would be followers of Christ and of his Apostles seing its principal use in Ordination remaineth not only to declare who the person is who is to be set apart for the Ministrie but to declare the solemne Dedication and Consecration or setting apart of the person for the work and the conveyance of the Ministerial Power and Office with a charge to go about the work with all care and diligence But it is little wonder that our Quakers trample this Ordinance under foot when there is not one ordinance of Jesus Christ that they value or will regard And what Christians these are let every one judge And whether or not I had not ground to say and againe to repeat it that they are a company of the most desperate Antichristian opposers of Christ and all his Appointments that ever the sun shined on 16. It is observable that in his whole discourse he speaketh nothing of infallibility which other Quakers require in Ministers of the Spirit See Fox mystery p. 72. and some plead for in all as W. Pen in his Spirit of truth p. 32 c. and why he is not so plaine and full as others are he knoweth himself CHAP. XVIII Of Ministerial Qualifications 1. WE proceed now to examine what he saith about the Qualifications of Ministers Pag. 190. c. § 15. Though what he began to say of the Ministerial Call was rather concerning the Qualifications as we observed yet now seing here he beginneth to speak directly and ex professo of these Qualifications we shall follow him And first he tels us That as he placed the true call in the motion of the holy Spirit so also he sayes the power vertue and life of the Spirit and of grace proceeding from him is the principal and most necessary qualification without which he can neither discharge his duty acceptably unto God nor profitably unto men Ans. Wherein he placed the call we have heard and have heard it several wayes expressed And here we have it in a new distinct manner expressed for here nothing is mentioned but a simple motion of the Spirit and every motion of the Spirit is not extraordinary But 2. What he sayes here of a necessary qualification seemeth only to relate to the better and more profitable discharge of the duty as to men and so to respect the bene esse of the Office not the simple esse of it As for what he sayes of God that it cannot be performed acceptably unto him is nothing for an unsanctified Magistrate cannot performe his office acceptably every way unto God unless we meane only that the substance of the work when done according to justice and equity is approven of God though the person be not accepted in it 3. We have here good words Power Vertue and Life of the Spirit and of grace But these must not deceive us for by all these good words according to his principles formerly considered Chap. X. he cannot understand what is imported thereby in the Scriptures but only what an Heathen or Pagan that never heard of Christ nor never shall hear of him is capable of And whether this be fitter to be a necessary qualification of a Pagan-preacher than of a Gospel-Minister let any judge who will 2. He saith next That we affirme three things concurre to the constituting of a Minister to wit Natural parts that is that he be not an idiot acquired parts that he be learned in the tongues in Philosophie and scholastick theology and finally the grace of God The first two belong to the essence of a Minister the last to his bene esse Ans. Who stateth the question thus I know not for my part I cannot well approve it Of the grace of God I spoke my minde in the beginning of the preceeding Chapter As to the knowledge of the languages wherein the Bible was originally written I think that very convenient in some measure at least and he hath let us see here and there in this his Book what use he could make of it but as to the knowledge of the original languages use of commentaries I think it no wonder he should think it utterly useless seing the knowledge of the Scriptures themselves is of so little an account with him That skill in Philosophy is useful in some measure I shall assent but for the knowledge of Scholastick Theology I account it not so necessary And I suppose the knowledge of other Theologie much more necessary though all these be very requisite in a Professour On the contrary as not having said enough before he saith That without grace no man can be a true or lawful Minister And I suppose he meaneth neither before God nor Man This I judge too far said His first Argument for this is the same with the first he brought above for his call and was there answered 3. His 2. Arg. is much like the former being this No man can be a minister of the Church of Christ which is his body but he that is a member thereof But he who wanteth the grace of God cannot be a member of that body Therefore c. Answ. Had he understood the difference betwixt the Church Visible and Invisible and had he known that Officers are set in the Church Visible and not in the Church Invisible which is made up of homogeneal parts he had seen the vanity of this argument Christ is an head to both communicateth by his Spirit suteable nourishment whether of gifts or of grace to the members of both according as he thinketh fit Ephes. 4 7.11 16. 1 Corinth 12. throughout and while he applieth these things wholly and solely unto the Church Invisible he bewryeth his ignorance His 3. Arg. is from 1 Pet. 4 10 11. and he translateth the words thus as every man hath receiveth grace so c. but the word in the original is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which we finde alwayes rendered gift or free gift but it is like that gift and grace are one thing with him with whom the highest grace is a most common gift
any in Courses Opposite unto and Reflecting upon the holy Institutions of Christ because he is the Spirit of Chirst and sent by him from the Father and was to testifie of him Ioh. 15 26 and not to counterwork Him and trample upon his Appointments It is also said that he would glorifie Christ and receive of His and shew it unto the disciples Ioh. 16 14. But the Spirit that leadeth them is wholly set in them to dishonour and cry down Christ and to reject all his Ordinances not one excepted as we have seen already and shall see more Nay this evil Spirit that acteth them destroyeth and casteth away these very Orders and Ordinances which the Scripture tels us the true Spirit of God hath appointed and established and is such an enemy to all Gospel Order that it cryeth up only Paganish and develish Confusion 2. What he saith of the Papal and Prelatical Hierarchy I have nothing to do with but what can he say against that Order which Presbyterians maintaine to be Instituted by Christ by Officers of divine appointment and the Courts Judicatories which they owne Superior Inferior Whatever contention be among these concerning the Order to be observed in the house of God there is no warrand for him his party to cast away all Order bring in the confusion of Babel instead of that beautiful and edifying Order which Christ the Supream Head and King of the Church hath wisely for his owne glory for promoving the good edification of his Subjects Appointed signally Blessed 3. But sayes he Pag. 204. speaking of his party We say the substance is to be enquired after and the Vertue Life and Spirit who is one in all these different names and offices mentioned in the Scriptures 1 Cor. 12 4 Ephes. 4. Answ. We say also the Substance is to be enquired after and the Spirit 's Blessing Power Efficacy and Presence to be sought but so as the Ordinances and holy Appointments of the Spirit be religiously Observed for the Spirit of God hath not taught us to see any repugnancy here whatever that evil Spirit which acteth and leadeth them doth Sure had there been any such Repugnancy or Inconsistency as these Fanaticks dream the Spirit had never appointed these Orders nor instituted these Ordinances and Officers nor prescribed Rules to Regulate these Officers in the right and edifying manner of the discharge of their duty and Administrating the appointed Ordinances Himself cannot but confess that the Spirit did appoint Officers in the house of God the Scriptures by him cited are so cleare and plaine to which others might be added And I would faine know of him why this was done was this to divert the primitive Church from enquireing after the Substance and after the Vertue Life and Spirit of these ordinances He dar not say this The Spirit then that acteth them cannot be the same with that Spirit that ordered matters in the Primitive Church but an enemie thereunto and consequently the Spirit of the Devil directly Opposeing and Counter working the Spirit of God let him think on this for it will be found so 4. He goeth on to tell us That it was never the minde of Christ and his Apostles that Christians should establish the shadow and forme of these Officers without the power efficacy and Spirit of Christ. Answ. The Power Efficacy and Spirit of Christ is not in Christians power to Establish the Spirit bloweth where he listeth I understand not that Spirit which falleth under the establishment of men and of these Quakers It is not the Spirit of God that is so under their power and at their devotion and can be established by them as they please 2. We plead not for Shadowes and Formes but yet we owne the Ordinances and desire religiously to observe such as Christ hath appointed to remaine and continue for the perfecting of the Saints for the work of the ministry for the edifying of the body of Christ till we all come in the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God unto a perfect man unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ Ephes. 4 vers 11 12 13. even to the end of the world Mat. 28 20. especially seing we have no ground to think that all these Offices and Officers were appointed only for that time and age the work being of the same necessity now as then and no restriction or limitation to that instant being declared It is true there was a special piece of work called for then to wit the founding and setling of Gospel Churches and of Gospel Order Lawes and Ordinances to which extraordinary Officers were called qualified and impowered which is not now necessary the foundation being once laid there is no more required but a continual building upon that foundation to which ordinary Officers and a standing ordinary Ministrie is sufficient and necessary that the Ordinances of perpetual use may be administred according to Christs appointment for the constant edification of the Church And against this these Quakers set themselves with all their might that when the Church is denuded of her Officers and Watchers she may become a fitter prey for these grievous wolves who now enter in not spareing the flock speak perverse things to draw away disciples after them 5. This is saith he the work of Antichrist the mystery of iniquity erected in the dark night of Apostasie Answ. Then Christ and his Apostles wrouâ—ht the work of Antichrist and the Mysterie of iniquity And the dark night of Apostasie was in the very first Primitive dayes of the Church But what blashemy this is and what an Antichristian Spirit this must be that speaketh in these men let sober men judge Let us hear more But sayes he in the true Church of Christ which is gathered by God not only into the doctrine of truth but also into the life power and Spirit of Christ the Spirit of God is Governour and Regulator as in every individual so also in the general And when they meet together to worshipe God then such as God separateth to the ministry by his owne power and influence opening their mâ—uthes and giving unto them to exhort rebuke and instruct in the power and Spirit of the Lord cannot but be heard received and held in honour for their works sake by their brethren seing they are thus ordained and put into the ministrie by God And thus there is no monopoly hereof unto a certaine kinde of men called the clergy who for this cause are educated and taught this art as other carnal trades are that all the rest may be despised and excluded as laicks but the mater is left unto the free gift of God that he may call whom he will poor or rich servants or masters old or young men or women and who are thus called verifie the Gospel 1 Thes. 1 5. and they cannot but be received and heard by Christs sheep 6. Here
vessel Can not the Lord work immediatly upon every vessel But thus it seemeth it must be that it may be called at least a joynt worshipe for other wayes the Lord might worke immedatly upon them all when asunder in their own particular houses 6. But it were good we heard more of this that we may come to know it better And he promiseth to speak to us of it from his own certain experience Let us therefore listen None can sayes he thus waite upon God till he lay aside his owne will and wisdome and be content wholly to be subjected unto God This I should well approve of were I sure that it wâ—re a real waiting upon God not rather a laying themselves open unto the Enthusiasmes of Satan None attaineth to this sayes he or performeth it but he that knoweth that no outward thing no ceremonies no words not the best words nay nor the words of Scripture can satisfie their weary and languishing souls for though these be all present the power life and vertue that maketh them effectual can be away Answ It is like he hath learned this out of the popish books stiled Theologia Germanica and the Bright Star commended to us by Randal a Familist But though those outward things cannot do it alone Yet he is not waiting upon God aright who layeth these outward things appointed of God for this end aside as they do As God will be worshiped so will he be waited upon in the way he hath prescribed and no other They must be sayes he abstracted from all external things and be silent before God and turne within unto the inward principle within them as unto the most excellent doctor Answ. This is plaine And so I see that all their waiting upon God is to renunce all his Appointments and betake themselves wholly unto the blinde guide of Natural Light which is within every man and this is their God and most excellent Doctor And that the Devil may have a fairer opportunity to work upon their phancies and plye the darkened Light within they must become no Christians renuncing all the outward meanes and no Men renuncing the use of Reason and Humanity What will this excellent Doctor of theirs teach He will teach them saith he to attend upon God in the measure of life and grace received and so to cease from their owne words and acts in their natural will and comprehension and to feel this inward seed of life that thereby they might be moved or acted whether to pray preach or sing Ans. That is Nature the most excellent Teacher seconded with Satans Operations teacheth them to attend upon in the strength of Nature and according to the measure of that Light rather Darkness and to feel what this Natural thing or worse working on the fancie will prompt them to do So that this can be nothing else but Heathenish or Pagan-worshipe taught and regulated by silly Nature made alittle active by a strong Phancy together with the concurrence of a Spirit of delusion blinding the very eyes of Nature and stirring up to utter this or that false or true as the rarified braine and tickled phancy is first inclined unto And till this be they sit mute as so many stones and this is the ground of their silent sitting so long as he saith himself What judgment to passe upon this Worshipe so Founded so Regulated so Principled so Carryed-on Issued the Christian Reader needeth not long deliberate 7. When one is thus moved to speak what cometh of the rest who are yet busie entering within themselves and consulting their Demon their Teacher and Bible The life sayes he the riseing whereof some do thus perceive and possesse as it prevaileth in every one so as afloud of refreshment it runneth over the whole Congregation for Gods name is one in all and his glory breaketh out and floweth forth and covereth all and such a reverence and veneration possesseth all that if the natural part should arise in any or mans wisdom or any thing that is not one with this life it would presently be depressed and condemned This is indeed wonderful and strange that the various degrees of Natural Power and Light should be screwed up to such an exact harmony that in all the Congregation there should not be one jarring sound but who would not suspect the hand of some cunning artist tuneing all these strings to his owne advantage We cannot suppose this to be the work of the Spirit of God thus constantly making life break-in overflow the whole Congregation upon the riseings thereof in some one particular person or other for there is no promise of any such thing and we have no example or instance of any such dispensation And beside it is manifest enough that the Natural part predomineth here and that which hath no affinity with but is opposite unto the kindly workings of the Spirit of life Their doctrine and afâ—er practices sufficiently declare it 8. But you may say This cannot be for he addeth Pag. 228. The forme of this Worshipe is so naked and devoide of all external and worldly glory that it cutteth of all occasion whereby mans wisdome should be excercised and superstition and Idolatry have no place Answ. It s being naked as to all external and worldly glory is not my quarrel against it but that it shutteth out all the Ordinances and Institutions of Christ. And though all external pompe be away yet Carnal Wisdome hath a faire occasion to worke when the prime and only rise of all this devotion is Nature and all the conduct thereof is by Nature save where it is spirited and principled by a superiour malignant ghost We know there is Inward Superstition and Idolatry as well as Outward and here I can see nothing but the Superstitious and Idolatrous excercise of the carnal heart doteing and depending upon adoreing and worshiping a natural created thing within which at best is not God but the Light and Power of a Natural Conscience impregnated by the Spirit of errour and delusion the Spirit that worketh in the children of disobedience What else can this â—ntroversion be whereof he speaketh Where are we commanded thus to turne in-to a light within us that we may finde God and worshipe and adore him Is not this at best to make that light or whatever name he will give it our Idol or Image in the worshiping of God He tels us next that they get hereby such washing and nourishment that they have no use for baptisme or the Lords supper Which is a plaine and palpable demonstration that their way of worshipe hath no correspondence with that which was in use in the primitive times and hath been in use in the Church ever since and was instituted by Christ but is meerly Paganish 9. Yet to perswade us that this is all the work of divine power he tels us That if it happen at any time that one enter among them who is not vigilant nor
unnatural and anticque motions at their set times and solemnities which are here spoken of But I wonder whence this power of darkness cometh unto them to cause this inward battel and occasion this quaking we heard before that he said they were freed from the body of death and it was taken away so that they were made free from the Suggestions and Temptations of Satan and from actual sinning See his Eight Thesis and our Chap. XIV of Perfection or he must say that the immaculate birth he spoke of is not yet produced in them and consequently that they are not yet Justified nor Sanctified and so not yet Church-members according to his former doctrine But seing he will not acknowledge this But rather that they are the purest and only Church of Christ and are Justified and Sanctified yea and Perfected whence I say can this power of darkness come to oppose the workings of life and that when they are most devote turning-in unto themselves to waite upon God and upon the light and never but then when they are about this their solemne worshipe for we hear not much of their quakings at other times or is there alwayes a battel but they feel it not till they be about this Introversion And cometh this trembling alwayes upon their retireing inward or if not whence is it that it cometh more at one time that another Is it from the greatness of the opposition made by the power of darkness or from the greater sense thereof or both And whence doth the one or the other come more at one time than at another These things I would have cleared if he thought fit Againe is there no striveing betwixt light and darkness grace and corruption flesh and the Spirit in any beside them If not then all others must eitheir be all flesh or all Spirit and if this last these must be more perfect then they are If yea how cometh it that that combate in others causeth not such trembling and quaking as in them Is it because corruption in them is more violent then in others then their perfection is less Or is it because they are more sensible and their life is more quick their mindes more agitated and their spirits more stirred Yet I am sure there might be trembling and quaking of limbes and joynts more or less proportionably to the opposition or to the sense of it in others But the truth is whatever he feigne this trembling and quaking hath another cause and may confirme all rational men that their way is more of the Devil than of God let themselves think what they please 11. We have now heard of all the parts of their solemne Worshipe 1. Silence which is alwayes necessary and beginneth the action 2. speaking praying or singing as is immediatly suggested but this is not necessary for it may be wanting yet the whole solemne Worshipe be performed to edification neither is their speaking praying or singing such as is used in the Churches as we will hear afterward 3. Their Trembling Quaking though this it may be is not alwayes necessary yet it is peculiar unto them Let us hear how he explaineth or confirmeth these for it may be no other confutation will be necessary He saith § 9. p. 23. That their worshipe doth not consist in silence as silence Wherein then but in an holy and humble dependance of soul on God from which necessarily floweth silence in the first place Ans. Dependance on God is good and necessary and is a part of inward worshipe but we are here speaking of Outward and solemne worshipe and this silence must make a necessary part thereof for he sayes afterward we judge in the first place that there is a necessity of silence for some time both for speaker and hearer And he told us before that this silence may be continued all the time and not one word spoken and yet the worshipe be solemne and edifying and he saith the same immediatly thereafter Must not this be a fruitless and unedifying silence to others at least present But when he calleth it thus necessary there must be some thing more in it then we can at the first see or he will think fit to acquant us with as yet What more life saith he Pag. 232. might flow in every one and be increased so as words may also well be spoken by the influence of life and yet because it was imposed upon none necessarily they might all for the time rather choose to possesse God in quietness Ans. What this life is and what the flowings and increasings of it are we have seen But as to this Silence we say how cometh it that such in whom this life floweth do not speak Is not this a call sufficient how then dar they sit and disobey this call how dar they follow their owne choise Or is it no call that because a necessity was not imposed why then saith he that words might well be spoken by the influence of life Might words be spoken without an inward impulse and call no certainly according to his principles Where are we then 12. He goeth about to prove this their silence § 10. And for this end he tels us that to attend and waite upon God is a duty incumbent upon all and is a part of Worshipe And who denieth it Yet he citeth a number of Scriptures whereof none speak of such a waiting as he hath before pointed forth unto us accompanied with silence in the publick Worshipe of God for Ps. 27 14. speaketh of a waiting opposite to fainting through unbeleef or doubting to see the goodness and deliverance of God in the land of the living Psal. 37 7 34. speaketh of a waiting opposite to freting because of the prosperity of the wicked and a freting to do evil and so is a waiting for Gods pleading the oppressed mans cause is accompanied with a keeping of Gods way v. 34. not his waiting that layeth aside Gods way and Ordinances Prov. 20 22. speaketh of a waiting opposite to recompensing of evil Esai 30 18. is meant of a waiting for Godâ—s coming with redemption to Zion Hos. 12 6. speaketh of a waiting accompanied with keeping mercy judgment which is more than doing nothing Zach. 3 8. speaketh nothing of waiting These are out of the Old T. whereby I see that O. T. Scriptures will prove N. T. worshipe Now follow passages out of the New Test. Mat 24 42. 25 13. 26 41. Mark 13 33 35 37. Luk. 21 36. 1 Cor. 16 13. 1 Thes. 5 6. 2 Tim. 4 5. 1 Pet. 4 7. which speak of Watching of and such a Watching as is accompanyed with Prayer and all Christian Duties Col. 4 2. speaketh of a watching in Prayer and not of a waiâ—ing that puteth away Prayer Act. 1 4. is a waiting at Ierusalem till the promise of the Father came Act. 20 31. is a watching over the flock that it miâ—ht be keept from wolves The same line
of experiences yet thâ—y can speak from experience and appositely apply themselves to loose the doubts remove the difficulties that trouble weak consciences and in some measure in the strength of the great Master of Assemblies speak a word to such as are weary But he will say it is not so with all and I will not contradict him in this yet what I have said is sufficient to discover his unfaire dealing in stateing the opposition or comparison here And how shall we beleeve that any or all of the Quaker-Preachers do as he sayes His naked word is no very sure ground of faith to me 6. The maine difference now followeth to be spoken to He supposeth that our Ministers do all without the Spirit and their speakers do all in and by the Spirit As concerning Ours he must know that there are among them who depend upon the Lord in their preparation for preaching seeking by prayer from him what to say that he would lead them to and suggest unto them that mater and purpose which may be most for edification who when afâ—er Meditation and Prayer they have gote something to say give it up unto him that he may give it them to deliver or not as he thinketh good who depend upon Him even for Utterance and Expression who look to him and by faith depend upon Him in the delivery of what they had thought upon less or more that they may be helped to preach with that Faiâ—h Fear Awe Reverence Weightedness of heart Love Zeal and Faithfulness that becometh to his glory and to the edification of the Church who depend upon Him for the blessing knowing that all their words of Perswasion Conviction Rebuke Instruction expostulation and Consolation without the power and blessing of his Spirit concurring and carrying the same in upon the heart will prove ineffectual who receive with thankfulness what he offereth and suggesteth in the time of their preaching and with singleness declare it unto their hearers who often times being called to speak without fore-thoughts go in the strength of the Lord not seeking to commend themselves as able or learned â—en but to commend themselves to every mans conscience in the sight of God And who when they have finished their discourse give up all by faith into the hands of God that He may bless it as He thinketh good in Jesus Christ. He will possibly say That it is not thus with all and I shall readily grant it But will he be saâ—isfied with this and account this spiritual preaching or preaching in the Spirit I suppose he will not be satisfied And then it is not to him sufficient though all should study and preach after this manner 7. Let us therefore a little examine his way He first would have all Study all Meditation all Prayer and wrestling with God in prayer for this with us is a maine part of study preparation laid aside Ministers going to the Assembly as naked and void of all knowledg of spiritual matters as if they had never heard of any such thing Then being Tabulae rasae they must introvert unto that Grace or Gift which is in them there receive their Call their Furniture their Preparation both in matter words whether with a text or place of Scripture whereupon to ground their discourse or to explaine and clear up or without any such passage as that inward teacher will Lastly when they are thus called and fitted by this thing within then they speak in the Spirit are acted by the Spirit But now to canvass this not mentioning that which was spoken to before to wit that by their way all are alike preachers and none must speak but such as are thus acted by the Spirit and all thus called and prompted may and must I shall propose these things to the Readers consideration 1. This Gift and Grace within is as we saw above no singular thing it is common to all men and women breathing to Turks and Pagans as well as to Christian Ministers And therefore can have no affinity with the Spiritual gifts which Christ giveth unto his Church and endueth his messengers with all that they may be enabled for the work of the ministry and for building up of his house nor hath it any affinity with the special and saving grace of God which Christ hath purchased for and bestoweth upon his redemed oâ—es For neither of these are common to all the children of men as the whole Scripture declareth far less can it have any affinity with the Spirit of God which Liveth Abideth and Worketh in the Justified Adopted and Sanctified children of God It can therefore be nothing else than the relicques of nature the natural light and natural Conscience which God hath left in every man So that all the qualifications which the Quaker Preachers have and seek for are but what a Pagan may have that hath a Natural Conscience and the Light of Common notions concerning a God-head and equity and right among men This dim darkened and now malignant light is the Magazine and Storehouse of all their Enduements and Qualifications this is the sole fountaine and spring of all their furniture sufficient I am sure for none but for Pagan-Preachers 2. Their Introverting unto this to consult this Goddess as the Pagans did turne-in to the Cels of Apollos to receive the Oracles hath a more diabolick aspect for what can it be that they would thus consult after they have unmanned themselves or laid aside all motions of Soul and Minde which is not natural nor practicable without diabolick assistance if it be as he saith but some Spirit And what Spirit can we suppose to be in Pagans and every Son of Adam before grace come and make a change but the God of this world 2 Cor. 4 4. the Prince of the power of the aire the Spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience Ephes. 2 3. and that strong man that keepeth the house Is it not then manifest that this introverting must be a real consulting with or giving themselves up unto the instructions and directions of this Prince of darkness If he say that they are Regenerated and so under the power and direction of the Spirit of God I Answere I have seen and considered what he saith upon this and have found that it is nothing but the operation of pure Nature wrought by the strength of corrupt and wicked Nature that is an enemy to the Gospel and to all the wayes of God and if this hath not been sufficiently evidenced above the Reader is free to judge And if nature and this Prince of darkness who hath now a soveraignity over all the unrenewed Sones of Adam can or will destroy the works of Satan and of Nature and embrace the Gospel and the Spirit of Christ according to the Gospel let all who understand and believe the Gospel judge 3. This Spirit then which acteth and moâ—eth them or in them can be
that if this man will speak consequentially he must come to this at length for he will never be able to loose the connexion 17. Another Objection is That thus a man may neglect prayer all his dayes alleiging the Spirit hath not moved him to it And indeed the Quakers doctrine hath a direct tendency to the utter neglect and laying aside of all the worshipe of God what answereth he He should come to that place or state where he may feel the Spirit leading him That is he should Introverte but when he hath Introverted he can pretend the Spirit doth not yet breath as themselves do sometimes They sin sayes he in not praying but the cause hereof is they watch not Nay for themselves Watch and Introverte and yet pray not Our adversaries say sayes he that no unworthy person should come to the sacrament of the Supper such as know themselves unprepared should absteane and so though it be a duty to come to this sacrament yet it is necessary that they first examine themselves Ans. 1. The use of this Sacrament is a part of instituted worshipe and so may have its owne limitations conditions restrictions according to the will of the Instituter it is not so with prayer which is a piece of moral natural worshipe incumbent to all by the very law of Nature The Scripture saith indeed let a man examine himself and so let him eat but the Scripture saith not let a man Introverte and so let him pray Under the law no stranger was to eate of the Paschal lamb till he and his males were first circumcised can he shew us any such condition put upon strangers in reference to praying unto God 2. In the matter of the sacrament there is a previous condition required of comers and when that condition is performed they must come or else sinne but the condâ—tion which he requireth in the matter of prayer may he performed and yet the person may not must not pray For though a man introvert and do all that is required of him in order to prayer yet he must not pray until the Spirit draw and inspire him So that his simile halteth miserably 18. To the Objection taken from Peters enjoyning prayer to Simon magus Act. 8 22. He saith That Peter bids him first repent and the least measure of this cannot be without some introversion Ans. Peter bids him not repent in order to prayer but repent and pray in order to pardon and so though he was in the gall of bitterness yet it was as well his duty to pray as to repent But I see with our Quaker a graceless person can repent but he cannot pray nature can help him sufficiently to repent but he must have some more before he be in case to pray or under an obligation to pray with him 2. Though the least measure of repentance could not be without this Introversion Yet what would that avail Simon Magus though he had Repented Introverted too might not pray until the Spirit Inspired him and Acted and Drew him if our Quaker speak truth And so Peter was mistaken to enjoyne him to pray and shoulâ— have said Repent and when thou art introverted waite for the Spirit to draw and inspire thee to prayer and then pray and not till then 19. The last Objection is Many prayers begun without the Spirit become afterward affectual yea the prayers of some wicked persons as of Ahab have been heard and accepted Ans. Of Ahabs humbling himself and fasting c. I read but I hear not of his prayers but as to the first part of the Objection I think it strong and considerable For who of the saints have not found it true that though they have gone about this duty without these previous impulses yet have gote a satâ—sfying answere Yet he answereth Acts of divine indulgence are no rule of our actions The wicked are oft sensible of the motions and influences of the Spirit befâ—re their day of visitation expire and by those motions they may some time pray acceptably not remaining wholly impious but thus entering into the beginnings of piety from which afterward they fall away Ans. 1. Acts of divine indulgence so frequently manifested are stronâ— inducements and encouragments and when they are conforme to a gracious promise they confirme the rule which we walk by and sufficiently evince that there is no rule to the contrary 2. The motions and influences that wicked persons living without the Church are sensible of are nothing but the stirrings of a natural conscience and such as some within the Church meet with who remaine ungodly are but common and not special and saving 3. If they be such as will warrant acceptable prayer they must be indeed special and saving strong and mighty Influences and Inspirations giving great power and liberty and that after a serious Introversion according to his doctrine 4. Now at length we see that all the great business of preparation for prayer by Introversion by the Inspirations Impulses Motions Influences and Drawings of the Spirit is just nothing but what a wicked wretch or a Pagan is capable of 5. As for his day of visitation and falling away from grace which here he minceth by calling it only beginnings of piety we have said enough above of both CHAP. XXV Of singing Psalmes 1. AS to singing of Psalmes he speaks but little Pag. 262. § 26. granting it a part of divine worshipe and sweet and pleasant when coming from the sense of God's love in the heart and when it ariseth from the divine influence of the Spirit whether it be in words of Davids Psalmes or of the songs of others such as Zachary Simeon and Mary And I need to say the less seing I have said enough of this elsewhere This man if he plaseth may take some notice thereof in my last book on the Sabbath where I am speaking of the right sanctification of that day in publick I grant we are to sing with grace in our hearts to the Lord Col. 3 16. and we are to make melody in our heart to the Lord Ephes. 5 19. But I dar not say that no man must sing but he who hath the sense of Gods love in the heart seing I finde so many Psalmes sung that were of a far other straine as for example David's Penitential Psalmes as they are called such as Psal. 6. 32. 38. 51. c. as also that of Heman Psal. 88 and others As for the influence of the Spirit I acknowledge that without that neither this nor any other piece of worshipe can be rightly performed but that neither this nor any other part of religious worshipe should be gone about till there come an Impulse of the Spirit or till the soul finde it self in a fit frame is that which I deny for reasons given in the foregoing Chapter 2. What are then his exceptions against our singing of Psalmes There is no footstep saith he in the Scriptures
inward perswasion Yet he grants that in the Church of God there should be censures exercised upon such as fall into errour 〈◊〉 well as upon such as fall into sin and after admonition if they remaine pertinacious they should be cut off by the Sword of the Spirit but not by the Sword of the Magistrate Answere 1. Yet I hope he will grant that this falling into errour must be something more then an inward perswasion even that which can be witnessed and whereof the person can be convicted and for which he can be admonished 2. We say not that Church-officers can punish by a temporal sword and so we assent to that of Chrysost. which he citeth dogmataimpia quae ab haereticis profecta sunt arguere anathematizare oportet hominibus autem parcendum est pro salute eorum orandum Nor do we say that every errour should be punished by cutting off with the temporal sword nor that all erroneous persons should be forthwith spoiled of their civil privileges There are degrees of Errours and degrees of Punishments so are there various kindes of erroneous persons some Simple and deluded through ignorance others Crafty and active in spreading their corrupt seed Some may be easily after Information convinced of their mistake Others are Pertinacious and Imperswadible 3. What meanes he by cutting off with the sword of the Spirit Understandeth he Church excommunication Or cutting off by an Inspiration or by the light within But he owneth no Church beside their owne And in their owne they have no set and fixed officers by whom such a sentence should be given out And I wonder what that errour would be for which they would draw forth this sword of the Spirit it would be I judge pure orthodoxy 4. But I desire in his next that he would cleare to me how this shall not be a forceing of conscience in things immediatly betwixt God and man and between men of the same perswasion as he spoke above we accept howeveâ— of this concession and shall make our own use of it afterward as he shall hear 10. This being all which he had to say for clearing of the question he cometh § 2. to tell us that he will prove That man hath not authority over the conscience by vertue of any power or dominion which he hath in the government of the world And unless by Conscience here he meane the outward and imperated acts which are properly the actions of the man that come in the open view of the world he doth nothing but mocke his Reader and publish his owne ignorance And the same we say to his argument which is this That mans conscience is the seat and throne of God And moreover this Argument will plead as effectually for freedom from Church censures as from Civil punishments for the Church or his Light within can no more invade Gods Throne and Jurisdiction than the Magistrate But his after-expressions intimate that his meaning is of outward actions for he proceedeth very confusedly in his probation and saith that the magistrate is not capable to judge in these maters Little adverting that this will take away their power even in civil things for as to many such they have not alwayes all the fitness requisite to judge but must take help And the same may be said of his Church and how shall they then draw forth the Sword of the Spirit But all this is nothing to our present question for he will not yeeld this power even to such magistrates as are able to judge in these maters or if he will he must not plead for Liberty of Conscience 11. His second argument is Pag. 317. This power is contrary to the nature of the Gospel But why so Because Christ said his Kingdom was not of this world Answere Yet Christ nor his Apostles never used this argument in their defences which I think they would have done if this were so Againe What thinks he of that which Christ did Ioh. 2 15 16 17. This consequence is water weak for we are not pleading as his following words suppose for the Magistrates power in propagating the Gospel by fire and sword but for suppressing of what is destructive to the Kingdom of Christ and is dishonourable to God And knoweth he not that in Christs Kingdome Righteousness betwixt man and man in things civil is required Knoweth he not that the Gospel teacheth us to live soberly and righteously as well as holy Tit. 2 12. Will he therefore say that Magistrates have not power to punish Injustice and wicked Unrighteousness or what is contrare to sobriety No for he hath granted this already What can his argument then conclude His saying That when Christ sent forth his disciples he said not to them goe kill scourge imprison c. Is but a demonstration of his ignorance of the question Do we say that Mâ—nisters should do any such thing He citeth Luk. 9 55. but most impertinently for it toucheth not the question as he himself hath stated it that act of the Samaritans was not a mater of conscience betwixt God man immediatly but an act of incivility and inhumanity He may better hence inferre that Magistrates may not punish uncivil inhumane and indiscreet persons The quarrel here was not false doctrine nor perverting of souls Nor do we plead that ministers should use fire and sword Yea if this prove any thing it will prove that Ministers may not Anathematize which yet himself granted out of Chrysostome as we heard false teachers for that looks liker to a praying for fire or some extraordinary plague out of heaven than what we plead for He runneth wilde when he hence inferreth that far less may men now raise fire upon the earth to destroy them who believe in Christ for though this be true it saith nothing for them who are men of the same mettal with the Samaritans as to hatred of and enmity against Iesus of Nazareth For in him they do not beleeve but in a Christ within them He is as wilde when he addeth That if it was not lawful for the Apostles to compel others to be of their judgment far lesse is it lawful for men who confess themselves fallible to kill all who will not be of their judgment in Religion in all points For difference of judgment in the maters of Religion was not the ground of the Apostles quarrel against Samaria Nor do we speak of killing all that are not of our judgment in all points in maters of Religion this was the judgment and practice of their Forefathers the Phanatick Enthusiasts of Munster not ours as his owne conscience or light within him if it be not blinde and dead both may tell him At the same rate of impertinency he goeth on and sayes Christ did not by outward force compel others to believe in him And citeth Zech. 4 6. 2 Cor. 10 4. Psal. 110 3. For we are not here speaking of the way of propagating the Gospel but
who could not understand these questions and this will justifie him in persecuting the Christians for he acted according to his knowledge Ans. 1. And are there not many questions in moral things as our Quaker calleth all civil maters that are hard and difficile for every Magistrate Shall he therefore be no Magistrate having power to judge in any particular who cannot understand all the intrigus of every question and controversie See Deut. 17 12. If this argument hold many commands must be laid by as that given to every Master of a family 2 Ioh. 10. and these 1 Cor. 5 11. Rom. 16 17 18. and the like for every person is not sufficiently qualified in these maters 2. Though Nero be here included Yet he alone is not here understood and so though he being an heathen was not qualified to judge hereticks in Christianity Christian Magistrates being qualified may judge and should judge such evil doers Magistrates as such have power to judge evil doers some Magistrates in particular cannot judge of some particular evil doers Yet others who can may and ought Fathers as Fathers are to teach and instruct their children Gen. 18 18 19. Exod. 12 26 27. Ephes. 6 4. 2 Tim. 3 14 15. Prov. 4 3 4 5. Yet heathen Fathers cannot teach Gospel doctrine shall therefore Christian Fathers be exeemed from this duty It followeth not 3. Hence no ground to justifie Nero in persecuting the truth no more then for an ignorant Magistrate to kill an innocent man as guilty of murther because he so judged through want of understanding 15. He adduceth next Gal. 5 12. And tels us that it proveth no more than that such should be cut off from the Church by excommunication Ans. I shall urge it no further as also that Revel 2 20. When it is said that heresie is reckoned among the works of the flesh Gal. 5 19. He tels us Pag. 321. that Magistrates may not punish all the works of the flesh as hypocrisie anger envy hatred And we grant this Yet heresie is a work of the flesh that is open and apparent can be proven by witnesses and evidences but these latent evils cannot as neither can heresie that is latent in the heart but then it cannot be called properly heresie But he saith that heresie falleth not under the Magistrates authority as long as it breaketh not forth to the hurt of humane society but only abideth within these duties of doctrine and worshipe that stand immediatly betwixt God and men Yet if these duties of doctrine and worshipe wherein this heresie consisteth appear openly and how opinions lying in the heart can be called doctrines and worshipe I see not they tend to the hurt of humane society as being of an infecting nature and a God-provoking evil and so being tolerated or connived at become the evil and guilt of the whole society before God and render all obnoxious to his wrath who are not in their places and stations seeking to root it out 16. Passing all the rest of our Arguments he cometh Pag. 322. § 4. to tell us that this compulsion of conscience is contrare to sound reason and to the Law of Nature And in this he beateth the aire for we speak not of such a compulsion as he imagineth We know as well as he that the intellect cannot be forced but we are speaking of outward actions and words spoken by the tongue which can be suppressed and which if not suppressed are noxious and hurtful We know the Maâ—istrates sword cannot convert yet it can drive away ravenous Wolves and punish evil deeds We know the civil Sword cannot make sincere Professours Yet it can keep persons from blaspheming God and his Truth If to make Lawes for preserving of Religion were against the Law of Nature how came it that Heathens that had no other light did make such Lawes as Historians witness such as Plutarch Livie Iustin Diogenes Laertius Caelius Diodorus Siculus Herodotus Xenophon and others Seneca de Benefic Lib. 3. C. 6. is express for this saying Violatarum religionum aliubi atque aliubi diversa poena est sed ubique aliqua And all this way of argueing will take away the Church censures which yet he hath granted for they cannot truely convert but rather make hypocrites and then let this man answere all his owne Arguments He inferreth Pag. 323. this absurdity That Christ was deficient in not useing Legions of Angels to defend his Church But how this will follow upon our Assertion I desire him to show He maâ— with more coloure say that if God hath given power to Magistrates to punish civil crimes he should be deficient to humane society in not making all Magistrates wise as Angels to understand the mysterie of all questions But it becometh us to adore and not call God to our bar The next absurdity which he mentioneth hath bin spoke to already for our doctrine giveth no countenance to persecution for righteousness sake and he might hence as well argue that Magistrates might not punish murtherers because hereby they teach Murtherers to pursue them when they have power in their hand Nor doth our doctrine give ground to say that as heathens persecuted Christians with fire and Sword Christians when they have power should deal so with heathens So that all that which he saith Pag. 323 324. is to no purpose Because men in power abuse their authority to suppress truth it will never follow that Magistrates should not use their power to suppress wickedness and Errour that eateth as doth a Canker So an heretical Church may excommunicate an Orthodox person yet he himself will not hence inferre that an orthodox Church may not cast out of their fellowshipe an heretical person as we saw above 17. The sayings of some Fathers which he adduceth Pag. 325. 3â—6 are to no purpose for we willingly grant that Christianity is not to be propagated by Fire and Sword and that ministers ought not to use violence And none of these Fathers say that Christian Professours should not be punished by Christian Magistrates when they openly practise false worship and seduce others by errour and heresie openly vented and preached And what they wrote was against the persecution that heathens exercised against Christians or what the wicked Arians used against the orthodox And though Augustine spoke sometimes after this manner yet he retracted it Retract Lib. 2. C. 5. and declared that Donatists were to be punished by the Magistrate And our Quaker might as well inferre that because a Magistrate cannot make persons abstaine from theft murther and other wickedneses in a Christian manner but at most hypocritically thâ—refore he cannot he may not punish murtherers theeves and the like What he citeth out of Luther Pag. 327. will make as much against his owne concession viâ— that Churches may exclude erroneous persons as against us What he saith of Calvines procureing the death of that blasphemer Servetus is sufficiently answered by Calvin anâ—
not what others say Parnel in his Shield of truth Pag. 17. said as it is cited by Mr Faldo whose Book is but lately come to my hand 2 Part. Pag. 11. of his book And here is the difference of the Ministers of the world and the Ministers of Christ the one of the letter the other of the Spirit for they are meer deceivers and witches bewitch people from the truth holding forth the shadow for the substance As for the Church so speaketh Isaac Pennington in his Questions P. 49. Q. What is the fold of the sheep Answ. The wisdom life and power of the Father even the same that is the shepherd Obj. Is not the Church the fold A. This in the Church or the Church in this is the fold but not out of this As for prayer or thanksgiving at meat hear Iames Naylor Love to the lost P. 57. But where the pure is not viz. the light all things are defiled when they are not sanctified by the word and prayer and therefore are to be received in fear and therein remembring his death till he come and so this is all their Lord's Supper too who is the word and Prayer And Pag. 13. He casts all Prayer that is not by immediat inspiration saying But as every creature is moved by the Spirit of the living God who is that Spirit who will be served with his owne alone not with any thing in man which is come in since the fall so the imaginations thinkings and conceivings are shut out And Smith Cat. P. 100. So must all come to the Sâ—irit of God by the Spirit to be ordered and cease from their own words and from their own time and learne to be silent till the Spirit give them utterance And P. 107. So the same wisdom may deny the prescribed way as being formal and may invent something instead of it in a higher mystery of iniquity and though they may not speak in such formal words composed yet in the same wisdom their words are formal they can set their own time to begin and end and when they will they can utter words when they will they can be silent and this is the unclean part which offereth to God which he doth not accept Found we not his Mans doctrine abâ—ve consonant hereunto As for Baptisme Parnel Pag. 11. els us They owne the Baptisme which is the Baptisme of Christ with the holy Ghost and with fire but they deny all other And P. 12. and now I see the other that is water Baptisme as they ordinarily call it out of scorne to be formal imitation and the invention â—f Man and so a meer delusion Smith Prim. P. 39. and Higgins warning P. 5 say we have this and the Lords Supper both from the Pope Nay Iames Naylor Love to the lost P. 52. giveth us one word for all for this I say saith he that the Father hath given his Son for a leader and guide to all ages and into and out of all formes at his will and in his way and time in every generation And therefore it is that all who know his will herein cannot endure that any visible thing should be set up to limite his leadings in Spirit And C Atkinson said I deny that God did ever or will ever reveal himself by any of these things thou callest the meanes of grace And G. Fox in his Grâ—at Mystery P. 16. And we say he Christ hath triumphed over Ordinances and blotted them out and they are not to be touched and the saints have Christ in them who is the end of outward formes and thou art deceived who thinks to finde the living among the dead And after all this and much more of the like kinde we must be accounted slanderers for saying that they deny the external part of Christianity Nay not only so but we must be horride liars and the searcher of hearts must be attested hereunto This is but an inconsiderable thing with them who account all that our Preachers say from the word of the Lord nothing but lies and satanical delusions because it is not from the immediat teaching of the Spirit and them but Professours of the Devil upon this account See Fox's Great Mystery P. 5. and 62. 3. Yet more Hence is it saith he that because we exhort people to returne and feel God within themselves saying unto them that if they feel not God neer them the notions which they have of God as he is in the heaven above the cloudes will not much profite them they maliciously endeavour to inferre that we say that God doth not exist without us Answ. Thinks he that we have no other Notion of God but as of one that is up in the heavens above the cloudes Supposeth he that we deny him to be every where present But if they beleeve there is a God in deed and in truth why talk they so much of a measure of God in every man Is the true God such a devisible thing Why do they make the soul of man a part or particle of God What meane they by the Vehicle of God Do these and the like expressions smell of orthodoxy in this matter The true God that is revealed to us in the Scriptures is a God that is one in essence and three distinct persons the Father the Son and the holy Ghost do they believe this Furthermore if they beleeve really a God without them why do they ascribe to something within them that which is peculiar unto God Doth not the morning Watch Pag. 5.6 7. assert the light within every man to be that word which Iohn speaks of Iohn 1 1 See Fox the younger P. 50 53 54. Is that a savoury expression which E. B True faith hath when he saith every man hath that which is one in union and like the Spirit of Christ even as good as the Spirit of Christ according to its measure Was that orthodox which Ed. Burroughs said the morning before he died see F. H. Testimony Now my soul and Spirit is centred in its own being with God and this form of person must returne from whence it was taken Another hath these expressions See Mr Faldo as above P. 124. Againe thou makes a great pudder that any one should witness he is equal with God Answ. A Cathechisme of the Assembly of the Priests in which they have laid down that the holy Ghost and Son is equal in power glory with the Father yet if any come but to witness the Son revealed in him or come to witness the holy Ghost in them as they gave out the Scriptures or witness the minde of Christ and witness that equal with the Father they cry out horrid blasphemy Hear what another saith Now consider what a condition these called Ministers are in They say that which is a Spiritual Substance is not infinite in it self but a creature that which came out from the Creatour and is in the hand of the Creatour which brings it
followeth upon a rejected Mediator and the wo of Bethsaida above the wo of Tyrus Sydon the wo of Capernaum above the wo of the men of Sodom I shall grant his consequence to be good though it be absurd and ridiculous in a general sense His question asking why such as never heard of Christ's death resurrection cannot be saved as well as such as never heard of Adam's first sin can be damned therefore Is no proof And the answere is manifest because all were naturally and foederally in Adam But all are not so in Christ And it hath pleased the Lord to appoint this way of salvation by faith in Christ which cannot be without knowledge of Christ and the Lord hath thought it good to apply the benefites of Christs death by bringing such who are to partake thereof within the bond of the Covenant within the visible Church and under the administrations of the Gospel and so to joyn to the Church such as should be saved Act. 2 47. Therefore the Lord saith Esai 53 11. by his knowledge or by knowledge of him shall my righteous servant justifie many And the predestinated ones are made partakers of the Redemption purchased by Christ according to the riches of God's grace wherein he hath abounded towards them in all wisdom and prudence having made known unto them the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure which he purposed in himself Ephes. 1 7 8 9. And if the will and good pleasure of God so ordaining maters for the praise of the glory of his grace will not satisfie this Quaker but he will frame a Gospel out of his own braines we cannot helpe it but must tell him we will rather beleeve God and submit to his wise dispensations than embrace the delusions of fantastical Quakers who purpose to overturne the whole Gospel of the grace of God and destroy souls His simile of medicine curing such as know not whereof it is made nor by whom is but a further evidence of his desperat designe to destroy the Gospel for medicine will as well cure such as know nothing of its composition or Author as such as know both And thus he would inferre that the Gospel is not more necessary to the Salvation of souls than the knowledge of the composiâ—ion and Author of a meâ—icament is to its working on humors But alas the silly man knoweth not the way of the Gospels workiâ—g on souls but supposeth it to be in a physical manner as medicine worketh on the humors of the body wherein he declareth his intollerable folly and ignorance beside his desperate designe 7. But he alleidgeth against us the Instance of Infants and deafe persons to very little purpose seing his question is of â—dult persons and of such also as have eares to hear And as for Infants we grant no salvation to such unless they be within the Covenant and born within the visible Church not to all such either that die in infancy but to those only who belong to the election of grace And the same we say of deafe persons And we except both these from the necessity of outwardly hearing the Gospel And every exception destroyeth not the Rule but confirmeth it rather in all cases not excepted His saying that being within the Church and partaking of the Sacraments give no certain title unto Salvation is impertinent for we say not that all such as are within the Church and partake of the Sacraments shall cerâ—ainly be saved but only that there is no salvation without the Church We know that many are members of the Visible Church who are nâ—t members of the Invisible Church But we know likewise that none are members of the Invinsible Church actually who are not members also of the visible Church His question Pag. 115. Why our charity doth not extend to those without the Church to whom the hearing of the Gospel is impossible aâ— well as to such within the Church Receiveth a short answere to wit Because we have no ground and Christian charity must be ruled by the word of God and not by the phancie of a deluded Quaker He multiplieth his Questions instead of probations according to the usual manner of the Quakers for he asketh againe Is not one in China and India as excusable for not knowing that which he never heard as a deaf man To which we answere Yes But we deny that the one may be as well saved as the other being within the Covenant and Church Of Salvation are we here speaking and not of persons being excusable or inexcusable We know that to be true which Paul saith Rom. 2 12. As many as have sinned without Law shall also perish without Law And we know that albeit God will not challenge the Indians or men of China who never had any possible opportunity of hearing the Gospel for ignorance and contempt of the same yet they may and will perish being without the saving meanes of grace and if he think otherwayes let him goe preach up the Light within among them and not laboure to blinde our eyes that we maâ— not see the sun with his smoaking snuff 8. He hath another proof from Act. 10 34. But how will he prove that Cornelius conversing so much among the Jewes had no knowledge of the Messias and of salvation through him though he did not as yet know that Jesus of Nazareth was the true Messiah Do we not finde that Peter cleareth up to him that great question and tels him how God anointed Iesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power c. And this Jesus of Nazareth Peter Preached unto him and told him that to Him gave all the Prophets witness that through his name whosoever beleeveth in him shall receive remission of sins vers 38 43. And by this instance Peter was brought to understand that now under the Gospel administration in every nation he that feareth God and worketh righteousness is accepted with him so that the benefite of Christ the Mediator was not now restricted to one Nation as of old under the Law Peter had yet too much of that national prejudice which the Jewes had against the Gentiles sticking in him and so thought that all except the Jewes were alwayes to remaine as our casts and to have no share or interest in the Gospel blessings and the good things of the Messias but now he is made to understand the matter aright Our Quaker may if he will read Calvin and Beza both upon the place and see his Imagination confuted 9. Next he tels us that Iob was a perfect man c. and enquireth who taught him How did he understand the fall of Adam Out of which Scripture did he draw all that excellent knowledge And then answereth That it was this inward grace that taught him But all this is founded upon a very improbable conjecture to wit That Iob was coaetaneus with Moses and so was without the Church which the Lord erected among the
â—ewes Whileas it is much more probable that he lived before the children of Israel were brought out of Aegypt and that for this one reason That in all this book where so much is spoken by Iob and by his friends of God's power and faithfulness there is not one word of God's delivering his people out of the furnace of Egypt which would not have been omitted it being so apposite to what is there oftentimes handled if so be it had been done before this time His questions then may easily be answered without that inward common grace which he dreameth of to wit that God taught Iob as he did other holy men before the giving of the Law and that without Scripture which was not then written His supposing thereafter Pag. 116. that Iob speaketh of this light Chap. 24 13. is another of his fond imaginations What he saith next of Iob's friends receiveth the same answere that we gave to what he said of Iob seing the ground of the mistake is the same in both and requireth no new consideration 10. Then he tels us how Paul Rom. 2. saith that the Gentiles did those things which are contained in the Law and hence inferreth that they feared God and wrought righteousness Ans. 1. That the Gentiles were not without all knowledge of what was just and unjust honest and dishonest is most certain for so much was remaining ingraven in their hearts that could not be delete and this was evidenced by their commanding and forbidding by their Laws somethings commanded and forbidden by the Law of God as appeareth by their Laws against Theft Adultery Manslaughter and the like which yet was not universal It is in the original only thus they do by nature the things of the Law And as Beza well observeth this differeth from doing what the Law commandeth being a doing of what the Law doth that is commanding or prohibiting what the Law commandeth or prohibiteth And therefore is it added these having not a Law are a Law unto themselves 2. Hence it appeareth that it will not follow that they therefore feared God and wrought righteousness for the same Apostle tels us Chap. 1 21. that when they knew God they glorified him not as God neither were thankful but became vaine in their imaginations and their foolish heart was darkened Is this to fear God and work righteousness And though hereby the Apostle evinceth the Gentiles to be without excuse Yet he tels us Chap. 3 9. that he hath proved both Iewes and Gentiles that they are all under sin And will this Quaker contradict the Apostle and say it is not true that the Gentiles are under sin though the Apostle hath charged it home upon them for they feared God and wrought righteousness This were indeed blasphemous boldness suiteing only a Quaker But he thinks that vers 13. confirmeth all where Paul saith the doers of the Law are justified As if Paul were speaking that of the Gentiles which is spoken of the Jewes who heard the Law which the Gentiles did not And as if Paul did hereby insinuat that any man Jew or Gentile could be justified as a doer of the Law that is by his owne obedience which is diametrically opposite to his whole disput and scope in this part of the Epistle and to his conclusion set down Chap. 3 28. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the Law Vers. 20. Therefore by the deeds of the Law shall no flesh be justified in his sight What shall we think of this Quaker who thus maketh the Apostle contradict himself and inferreth out of the Apostles words perverted the contrary of what the Apostle himself who knew the force of his owne premises best concludeth And what boldness and blasphemy is comparable to this And withal he will be yet so bold as to tell us that nothing is more clear and that the Apostle vers 9 10.11 doth confirme this doctrine yea and Pag. 117. declare moreover that unless we suppose the Apostle to have spoken otherwayes then he thought we may saifly conclude that those Gentiles were justified and partakers of glory honour and peace and that by their owne works O what miserable miscreants must these men be that dar thus expose the Apostle yea the Spirit of God speaking in him and by him to open laughter as proving and concluding contradictories and that by the same medium and premises which is hardly supposable of a man in his wits and that knoweth what he saith His repetitions Pag. 117. I wave they being formerly confuted and repititions being jejune probations need not be againe examined He doubts whether we can prove that all the Patriarches and holy men before Moses had any distinct knowledge either of Adams fall or of the coming of the Messias for I see not what else he can understand by his vel hujus vel illius these being the only two things spoken of by him immediatly before and his following words confirme this And if he doubt whether we can prove it it is no great matter if he doubt not himself of the thing And if he do doubt of the thing Where is his charity to the Patriarchs and Saints What charity can this be which is so large to Heathens and so straitned to the Saints of God Can this be divine charity No it is a Pagans charity suting him who would have us all turn Pagans But seing the Scripture tels us that they all obtained a good report by faith which is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen Heb. 11 1 2. And that they all died in faith not having received the promises but having seen them afar off and were perswaded of them and embraced them vers 13. And Christ himself tels us that Abraham saw his day Ioh. 8 56. what needs us more proof These and the like passages satisfie us concerning their knowing as much as was then requisite in order to salvation And that the Gentiles who never heard of Christ know so much is that which he should prove and doth it not nor never shall 11. He tels us that the Iewes even after David's dayes who prophecied more largely of Christ than did others before could not out of all these prophecies discerne Christ when he came Act. 3 17. 1 Cor. 2 8. Yea Mary herself did not know that her Son was about his Fathers work when disputing with the Doctors and the Apostles that long conversed with him and saw his miracles did not beleeve what belonged to his death and resurrection Ans. Is not this a wonderful proofe that the holy Patriarchs had no saving knowledge of and faith in the Messias who was to come because the wicked Jewes did crucify him when he came Who would not simile at this But David had many clear prophecies of the Messias and yet they did not understand these And what then Ergo they were saved without the understanding of these prophecies