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A27112 Certamen religiosum, or, A conference between the late King of England and the late Lord Marquesse of Worcester concerning religion together with a vindication of the Protestant cause from the pretences of the Marquesse his last papers which the necessity of the King's affaires denyed him oportunity to answer. Bayly, Thomas, d. 1657? 1651 (1651) Wing B1507; ESTC R23673 451,978 466

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peter_n tear_n but_o not_o of_o his_o confession_n that_o the_o jew_n therefore_o when_o they_o be_v baptize_v of_o john_n confess_v their_o sin_n mat._n 3._o 5_o 6._o be_v not_o enough_o to_o prove_v that_o confession_n which_o we_o now_o dispute_v of_o although_o it_o do_v appear_v that_o the_o confession_n there_o speak_v of_o be_v a_o particular_a confession_n which_o yet_o appear_v not_o cardinal_n cajetane_a say_v it_o be_v but_o a_o general_a confession_n neither_o indeed_o in_o probability_n can_v it_o be_v any_o 18._o more_o for_o how_o shall_v john_n have_v be_v able_a to_o hear_v such_o multitude_n as_o come_v unto_o he_o to_o be_v baptize_v jerusalem_n and_o all_o judea_n and_o all_o the_o region_n round_o about_o jordan_n mat._n 3._o 5._o confess_v all_o their_o sin_n in_o
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these_o word_n and_o take_v they_o as_o his_o positive_a sentence_n but_o if_o we_o consider_v what_o austin_n say_v both_o before_o and_o after_o we_o shall_v see_v that_o he_o speak_v thus_o rather_o by_o way_n of_o objection_n then_o by_o way_n of_o determination_n before_o these_o word_n he_o say_v thus_o a_o wheel_n do_v not_o therefore_o run_v ibid._n well_o that_o it_o may_v be_v round_o but_o because_o it_o be_v round_o so_o no_o man_n do_v therefore_o work_v well_o that_o he_o may_v receive_v grace_n but_o because_o he_o have_v receive_v it_o austin_n therefore_o be_v not_o of_o that_o mind_n that_o esau_n of_o himself_o by_o his_o freewill_n can_v have_v be_v willing_a and_o have_v run_v or_o that_o any_o when_o he_o be_v call_v and_o incite_v by_o grace_n can_v by_o the_o power_n of_o freewill_n follow_v and_o obey_v but_o it_o be_v grace_n that_o must_v work_v this_o in_o he_o to_o this_o purpose_n again_o before_o the_o word_n object_v if_o say_v austin_n jacob_n do_v therefore_o ibid._n believe_v because_o he_o will_v than_o god_n do_v not_o bestow_v faith_n on_o he_o but_o he_o by_o willing_a do_v afford_v it_o unto_o himself_o and_o so_o he_o have_v something_o which_o he_o receive_v not_o which_o be_v contrary_a to_o the_o word_n of_o the_o apostle_n what_o have_v thou_o that_o thou_o have_v not_o receive_v 1_o cor._n 4._o 7._o but_o a_o little_a after_o those_o word_n that_o seem_v to_o make_v for_o freewill_n austin_n express_v himself_o more_o full_o for_o have_v cite_v that_o of_o the_o apostle_n phil._n 2._o 12_o 13._o work_v out_o your_o own_o salvation_n with_o fear_n and_o tremble_a for_o it_o be_v god_n that_o work_v in_o you_o both_o to_o will_v and_o to_o do_v of_o his_o good_a pleasure_n he_o add_v the_o apostle_n there_o sufficient_o show_v that_o a_o ibid._n good_a will_n itself_o be_v wrought_v in_o we_o by_o god_n for_o if_o therefore_o only_o it_o be_v say_v rom._n 9_o it_o be_v not_o of_o he_o that_o will_v nor_o of_o he_o that_o run_v but_o of_o god_n that_o show_v mercy_n because_o the_o will_n of_o man_n alone_o be_v not_o sufficient_a that_o he_o may_v just_o and_o right_o except_o it_o be_v help_v by_o the_o mercy_n of_o god_n then_o by_o this_o reason_n it_o may_v be_v say_v it_o be_v not_o of_o god_n that_o show_v mercy_n but_o of_o man_n that_o will_v because_o the_o mercy_n of_o god_n alone_o be_v not_o sufficient_a unless_o the_o consent_n of_o our_o will_n be_v ad_fw-la ded_fw-we but_o that_o be_v manifest_a that_o we_o will_v in_o vain_a except_o god_n show_v mercy_n this_o i_o know_v not_o how_o it_o can_v be_v say_v that_o god_n do_v show_v mercy_n in_o vain_a except_o we_o be_v willing_a for_o if_o god_n show_v mercy_n than_o we_o be_v willing_a see_v it_o belong_v to_o that_o same_o mercy_n to_o make_v we_o willing_a for_o it_o be_v god_n that_o work_v in_o we_o both_o to_o will_v and_o to_o do_v of_o his_o good_a pleasure_n again_o a_o little_a after_o have_v say_v by_o way_n of_o 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will_v any_o thing_n be_v in_o the_o power_n of_o every_o one_o but_o to_o be_v able_a to_o do_v any_o thing_n be_v not_o in_o the_o power_n of_o any_o but_o let_v austin_n explain_v himself_o and_o show_v his_o own_o meaning_n and_o that_o he_o do_v 1._o in_o his_o retractation_n that_o say_v he_o be_v speak_v because_o we_o do_v not_o say_v that_o any_o thing_n be_v in_o our_o power_n but_o that_o which_o be_v do_v when_o we_o will_n where_o first_o and_o chief_o be_v to_o will_v itself_o for_o immediate_o without_o any_o distance_n of_o time_n the_o will_n itself_o be_v present_a when_o we_o will_n but_o this_o power_n also_o to_o live_v well_o we_o receive_v from_o above_o when_o the_o will_n be_v prepare_v of_o the_o lord_n thus_o careful_a be_v that_o good_a father_n to_o prevent_v the_o mistake_n of_o his_o word_n lest_o any_o shall_v think_v that_o he_o do_v ascribe_v any_o thing_n to_o the_o power_n of_o freewill_n in_o that_o which_o be_v good_a so_o much_o for_o austin_n the_o next_o father_n allege_v be_v ambrose_n who_o in_o the_o place_n cite_v viz._n in_o luk._n 12._o have_v nothing_o above_o freewill_n that_o i_o can_v find_v after_o he_o follow_v chrysostome_n who_o indeed_o in_o the_o place_n that_o be_v allege_v go_v far_o in_o his_o expression_n concern_v freewill_n as_o gen._n if_o god_n only_o do_v afford_v mean_n and_o so_o leave_v it_o in_o the_o power_n of_o man_n to_o use_v they_o or_o not_o as_o he_o please_v if_o therefore_o i_o except_v against_o his_o testimony_n in_o this_o point_n i_o have_v no_o mean_a man_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n to_o bear_v i_o out_o i_o know_v 25._o bellarmine_n seem_v to_o take_v it_o as_o a_o matter_n of_o great_a advantage_n that_o calvin_n stand_v not_o here_o so_o much_o upon_o chrysostome_n as_o one_o that_o do_v too_o much_o extol_v the_o power_n of_o freewill_n but_o be_v this_o only_a calvines_n judgement_n of_o chrysostome_n do_v not_o some_o of_o the_o romanist_n themselves_o also_o think_v 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from_o god_n etc._n etc._n chrysostome_n he_o say_v mean_v well_o concern_v the_o grace_n of_o god_n yet_o he_o write_v many_o thing_n against_o the_o manichee_n in_o commendation_n of_o freewill_n attribute_v most_o thing_n unto_o it_o without_o make_v any_o mention_n of_o god_n grace_n which_o thing_n he_o will_v not_o have_v write_v in_o that_o manner_n if_o he_o can_v have_v foresee_v that_o pelagius_n his_o heresy_n will_v arise_v which_o as_o then_o be_v not_o rise_v or_o not_o know_v unto_o man_n thus_o be_v see_v how_o these_o author_n though_o they_o excuse_v chrysostom_n meaning_n yet_o dislike_v his_o expression_n but_o some_o among_o those_o of_o
the_o roman_a church_n have_v go_v further_o in_o their_o censure_n of_o chrysostome_n as_o citat_fw-la alvarez_n relate_v viz._n that_o he_o hold_v that_o election_n whereby_o we_o first_o accept_v those_o thing_n that_o be_v good_a and_o resolve_v to_o do_v they_o be_v before_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n and_o that_o then_o grace_n do_v follow_v after_o whereby_o we_o be_v help_v and_o god_n do_v cooperate_v with_o we_o to_o this_o pur-pose_a i_o find_v tolet_n a_o jesuit_n first_o and_o afterward_o 11._o a_o cardinal_n cite_v by_o chamier_n though_o i_o have_v not_o his_o book_n now_o at_o hand_n to_o peruse_v and_o this_o may_v suffice_v for_o answer_v to_o chrysostome_n yea_o and_o to_o those_o other_o two_o father_n also_o that_o follow_v viz._n irenaeus_n and_o cyrill_n the_o latter_a of_o these_o be_v by_o name_n and_o both_o of_o they_o implicit_o except_v against_o by_o some_o of_o the_o romanist_n themselves_o as_o appear_v by_o what_o be_v cite_v in_o the_o margin_n as_o also_o by_o the_o reason_n allege_v by_o alvarez_n and_o jansenius_n why_o chrysostome_n do_v exceed_v at_o least_o in_o his_o expression_n viz._n because_o he_o be_v so_o earnest_a against_o the_o manichee_n and_o other_o and_o know_v nothing_o of_o the_o contrary_a error_n of_o the_o pelagian_n which_o reason_n may_v transport_v the_o other_o father_n also_o it_o be_v true_a say_v alvarez_n that_o s._n chrysostome_n and_o other_o father_n that_o write_v before_o the_o heresy_n of_o pelagius_n be_v rise_v up_o do_v speak_v 22._o little_a of_o the_o grace_n of_o christ_n and_o much_o for_o the_o confirm_v of_o the_o liberty_n of_o the_o will_n against_o the_o heresy_n of_o the_o manichee_n he_o add_v that_o austin_n also_o in_o his_o write_n against_o the_o pelagian_n do_v observe_v this_o and_o he_o cite_v his_o word_n to_o this_o purpose_n yea_o he_o show_v that_o austin_n in_o his_o retractation_n be_v fain_o to_o answer_v in_o like_a manner_n for_o himself_o when_o as_o the_o 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