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220._o 221._o 3._o that_o they_o have_v such_o surety_n as_o will_v undertake_v their_o education_n in_o the_o true_a knowledge_n of_o god_n and_o faith_n in_o jesus_n christ_n but_o be_v it_o the_o manner_n of_o that_o place_n to_o be_v satisfy_v about_o these_o thing_n before_o they_o receive_v they_o to_o baptism_n do_v they_o inquire_v whether_o the_o infant_n be_v bear_v in_o the_o church_n of_o what_o parent_n or_o forefather_n or_o how_o the_o surety_n will_v undertake_v to_o educate_v the_o child_n in_o that_o faith_n to_o conclude_v that_o all_o misunderstanding_n of_o mr._n attersoll_n may_v be_v prevent_v let_v the_o reader_n consider_v one_o or_o two_o conclusion_n by_o the_o same_o author_n in_o the_o same_o chapter_n 211._o p._n 211._o 1._o conclus_fw-la that_o beside_o the_o join_n of_o the_o word_n to_o the_o outward_a sign_n there_o be_v necessary_o require_v a_o fit_a person_n to_o be_v partaker_n of_o the_o sacrament_n 2._o conclus_fw-la baptism_n be_v a_o common_a 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a_o review_n voluntary_o revoke_v this_o expression_n or_o that_o the_o classis_fw-la shall_v profess_v against_o it_o in_o public_a as_o some_o of_o the_o minister_n have_v affirm_v to_o i_o in_o private_a that_o they_o do_v not_o assume_v any_o such_o power_n to_o themselves_o or_o if_o they_o be_v silent_a the_o provincial_a synod_n shall_v provide_v that_o convenient_a mean_n may_v be_v use_v to_o stop_v the_o spreading_n of_o such_o a_o error_n for_o many_o dangerous_a consequence_n which_o their_o wisdom_n i_o doubt_v not_o will_v foresee_v follow_v thereupon_o to_o i_o it_o be_v manifest_a that_o no_o nationall_n synod_n in_o these_o country_n ever_o give_v power_n to_o the_o class_n thus_o far_o to_o deprive_v particular_a church_n of_o the_o right_n of_o judge_a thing_n proper_a to_o themselves_o within_o themselves_o neither_o be_v there_o one_o word_n in_o these_o complaint_n which_o be_v fair_o construe_v &_o for_o augâ—t_o i_o can_v discern_v according_a to_o the_o intent_n and_o expression_n of_o the_o complainants_n themselves_o require_v any_o thing_n but_o what_o the_o nationall_n synod_n have_v order_v and_o appoint_v to_o be_v do_v for_o and_o to_o all_o the_o church_n and_o which_o the_o class_n if_o they_o be_v true_a to_o their_o own_o rule_n in_o their_o first_o constition_n must_v see_v perform_v so_o far_o be_v they_o from_o attempt_v the_o innovation_n and_o alteration_n of_o discipline_n and_o government_n so_o long_o practise_v in_o these_o reform_a church_n sect_n 24_o 25._o 26._o examine_v their_o second_o proof_n of_o his_o deprive_v the_o elder_n of_o their_o power_n in_o government_n for_o the_o good_a of_o the_o church_n be_v compl._n compl._n that_o he_o have_v protest_v against_o their_o judgement_n in_o matter_n which_o may_v have_v be_v end_v in_o the_o consistory_n and_o in_o that_o respect_n aught_v not_o to_o have_v be_v bring_v to_o the_o classis_fw-la yet_o he_o have_v carry_v they_o
thither_o this_o passage_n i_o will_v have_v pass_v by_o reply_v if_o his_o frequent_a mention_v my_o name_n in_o the_o 25._o and_o 26._o section_n have_v not_o compel_v i_o to_o examine_v it_o the_o case_n wherein_o they_o complain_v that_o he_o have_v nedles_o wave_v the_o judgement_n of_o the_o elder_n be_v three_o 1._o concern_v a_o order_n that_o shall_v have_v be_v make_v for_o my_o accommodation_n in_o the_o question_n about_o promiscuous_a administer_a baptism_n to_o all_o that_o be_v bring_v in_o that_o place_n sect_n 25._o 2._o about_o be_v a_o agreement_n among_o the_o elder_n that_o a_o convenient_a time_n shall_v be_v give_v i_o to_o go_v on_o in_o assist_v the_o answerer_n to_o see_v if_o in_o that_o time_n i_o can_v obtain_v that_o this_o question_n may_v be_v lay_v aside_o and_o inform_v myself_o more_o full_o concern_v the_o order_n and_o custom_n of_o the_o dutch_a church_n whereunto_o my_o conformity_n be_v require_v sect_n 26._o 3._o concern_v his_o refusal_n to_o let_v mr._n weld_n preach_v though_o he_o confess_v he_o have_v nothing_o against_o he_o without_o consent_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la etc._n etc._n ibid._n whereby_o it_o appear_v that_o they_o do_v not_o complain_v of_o his_o seek_n advise_v of_o neighbour_n minister_v simple_o and_o absolute_o but_o 1._o in_o certain_a case_n there_o mention_v and_o therefore_o they_o do_v not_o in_o their_o writing_n divide_v the_o one_o from_o the_o other_o into_o several_a section_n for_o that_o be_v his_o own_o contrivement_n but_o relate_v all_o together_o in_o one_o entire_a sentence_n 2._o the_o case_n produce_v by_o they_o be_v such_o wherein_o the_o matter_n may_v have_v be_v determine_v and_o conclude_v by_o the_o eldership_n without_o violation_n of_o any_o order_n establish_v in_o the_o government_n of_o those_o church_n 3._o the_o matter_n be_v so_o carry_v by_o he_o in_o this_o needle_n appeal_v to_o the_o classis_fw-la that_o their_o agreement_n be_v nullify_v these_o thing_n be_v premise_v the_o insufficiency_n of_o his_o five_o answer_n in_o the_o 24._o section_n will_v be_v obvious_a to_o the_o indifferent_a reader_n in_o particular_n thus_o for_o the_o first_o his_o thinck_n that_o the_o elder_n err_v in_o their_o judgement_n in_o such_o case_n as_o these_o in_o question_n be_v not_o a_o sufficient_a ground_n of_o a_o appeal_n as_o may_v appear_v in_o reason_n for_o so_o no_o cause_n shall_v be_v end_v in_o their_o consistory_n though_o the_o elder_n unanimous_o consent_v in_o their_o judgement_n if_o the_o pastor_n differ_v from_o they_o out_o of_o a_o obstinate_a will_n without_o give_v sufficient_a reason_n of_o his_o dissent_v and_o then_o to_o what_o end_n be_v the_o meeting_n of_o the_o eldership_n whereas_o he_o call_v upon_o they_o to_o prove_v it_o by_o scripture_n they_o may_v with_o better_a warrant_n require_v he_o to_o prove_v by_o scripture_n the_o lawfullnes_n of_o such_o appeal_n in_o such_o case_n for_o which_o they_o find_v no_o word_n command_v or_o approve_v they_o for_o the_o second_o unless_o he_o can_v prove_v those_o agreement_n among_o the_o elder_n to_o be_v sin_n and_o unfruitful_a work_n of_o darkness_n he_o will_v be_v find_v guilty_a of_o a_o double_a sin_n 1._o that_o he_o oppose_v the_o elder_n without_o just_a cause_n 2._o that_o he_o misapply_v scripture_n to_o justifye_v his_o unjust_a opposition_n of_o they_o for_o the_o three_o it_o be_v grant_v that_o as_o council_n may_v err_v so_o may_v consistorye_n much_o more_o easy_o and_o that_o all_o obedience_n aught_v to_o be_v in_o the_o lord_n but_o with_o all_o that_o the_o protester_n against_o they_o aught_o to_o declare_v the_o equity_n of_o their_o so_o do_v from_o scripture_n or_o good_a reason_n which_o have_v not_o be_v do_v by_o the_o answerer_n for_o the_o four_o the_o pretend_v reason_n whereby_o the_o answerer_n will_v justifye_v this_o act_n take_v from_o the_o very_a foundation_n of_o government_n and_o institution_n of_o diverse_a judicatories_n to_o take_v away_o disagreement_n strife_n controversy_n or_o different_a plead_n among_o man_n will_v not_o help_v he_o in_o the_o case_n question_v unless_o he_o can_v prove_v 1._o that_o the_o class_n be_v of_o the_o same_o use_n by_o divine_a institution_n for_o the_o help_n of_o pastor_n which_o have_v the_o assistance_n of_o their_o eldership_n 17.8_o deut._n 1.12_o with_o cap._n 17.8_o whereof_o that_o judicatorye_n be_v for_o the_o help_n of_o moses_n who_o be_v not_o able_a alone_o to_o bear_v the_o cumbrance_n and_o strife_n of_o the_o people_n and_o of_o the_o king_n of_o israel_n afterward_o which_o they_o deny_v 2._o that_o the_o cause_n in_o question_n which_o he_o carry_v from_o the_o consistory_n to_o the_o classis_fw-la 9.10_o 2._o chron._n 19_o 8_o 9.10_o be_v of_o the_o same_o nature_n with_o those_o cause_n between_o blood_n and_o blood_n between_o law_n and_o commandment_n statute_n and_o judgement_n which_o be_v defer_v to_o the_o levite_n the_o priest_n and_o chief_a of_o the_o father_n of_o israel_n that_o man_n may_v be_v warn_v by_o they_o that_o they_o trespass_n not_o against_o the_o lord_n this_o also_o they_o deny_v and_o may_v just_o accuse_v he_o of_o misapply_v the_o scripture_n noat_v by_o he_o in_o the_o margin_n 5._o to_o the_o five_o it_o be_v true_a that_o the_o power_n of_o the_o elder_n in_o government_n have_v not_o be_v overthrow_v by_o his_o bring_v any_o matter_n unlawful_o unto_o the_o classis_fw-la if_o it_o be_v the_o manner_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la in_o such_o case_n to_o remit_v the_o matter_n to_o the_o consistory_n again_o but_o what_o one_o instance_n can_v he_o produce_v in_o the_o particular_n whereof_o they_o complain_v or_o in_o any_o other_o case_n bring_v by_o he_o to_o they_o wherein_o the_o matter_n be_v remit_v to_o the_o consistory_n why_o so_o it_o be_v not_o because_o the_o buiseness_n be_v so_o weighty_a that_o it_o have_v be_v agree_v in_o the_o synod_n that_o they_o shall_v not_o be_v proceed_v in_o without_o advice_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la nor_o because_o they_o concern_v many_o church_n and_o therefore_o require_v the_o consent_n of_o all_o what_o then_o it_o be_v because_o the_o elder_n can_v not_o satisfy_v he_o nor_o he_o they_o as_o he_o intimate_v in_o the_o answer_n before_o but_o why_o be_v he_o not_o satisfy_v because_o he_o will_v not_o be_v satisfy_v unless_o the_o matter_n may_v be_v carry_v according_a to_o his_o will_n for_o no_o sufficient_a reason_n be_v give_v by_o he_o against_o it_o at_o that_o time_n so_o then_o if_o he_o will_v end_v a_o buisenes_n in_o the_o consistory_n there_o it_o shall_v be_v end_v but_o if_o he_o see_v that_o it_o will_v be_v carry_v against_o his_o mind_n there_o it_o shall_v not_o be_v end_v there_o but_o be_v take_v out_o of_o their_o hand_n and_o carry_v to_o the_o classis_fw-la where_o he_o know_v how_o to_o bring_v his_o purpose_n about_o thus_o he_o have_v two_o string_n to_o his_o bow_n but_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n be_v not_o the_o power_n of_o the_o elder_n in_o government_n overthrow_v thereby_o 25._o sect._n 25._o in_o the_o 25._o sect._n they_o speak_v of_o a_o agreement_n among_o the_o elder_n to_o make_v a_o order_n that_o those_o who_o be_v not_o member_n of_o that_o church_n shall_v make_v themselves_o know_v to_o i_o compl_n compl_n that_o i_o may_v be_v satisfy_v concern_v they_o before_o they_o shall_v present_v their_o child_n to_o baptism_n in_o public_a which_o they_o say_v will_v have_v end_v that_o difference_n between_o we_o but_o he_o protest_v against_o it_o if_o this_o complaint_n be_v just_a be_v it_o not_o a_o grievance_n let_v we_o weigh_v his_o four_o answer_n to_o it_o ans_fw-fr 1._o he_o say_v there_o be_v no_o order_n make_v therefore_o they_o speak_v untrue_a and_o they_o know_v not_o what_o reply_n neither_o do_v they_o say_v a_o order_n be_v make_v but_o it_o be_v agree_v that_o one_o shall_v be_v make_v what_o untruth_n be_v in_o this_o if_o any_o be_v it_o not_o in_o his_o accusation_n 2._o he_o say_v there_o be_v no_o evidence_n in_o their_o church_n book_n that_o either_o the_o elder_n have_v so_o agree_v or_o that_o he_o have_v protest_v against_o it_o nor_o do_v they_o say_v it_o be_v record_v in_o the_o church_n book_n for_o how_o can_v it_o be_v record_v when_o it_o be_v never_o make_v and_o that_o by_o his_o hinder_v the_o make_n of_o it_o 3._o he_o say_v if_o such_o a_o order_n have_v be_v peremptory_o resolve_v upon_o there_o have_v be_v just_a reason_n for_o he_o to_o have_v protest_v against_o it_o see_v the_o consistory_n have_v no_o power_n etc._n etc._n 121._o travers_n de_fw-fr discipl_n ecelcs_n p._n 121._o but_o herein_o he_o oppose_v mr._n traverse_n who_o in_o his_o elaborate_a treatise_n de_fw-fr disciplinâ_fw-la ecclesiasticâ_fw-la speak_v of_o the_o
office_n of_o the_o elder_n who_o he_o fit_o call_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d he_o say_v it_o belong_v to_o they_o to_o see_v that_o all_o thing_n in_o the_o church_n of_o god_n be_v honest_o godly_o and_o orderly_o do_v and_o therefore_o they_o be_v to_o signify_v to_o the_o minister_n if_o any_o from_o other_o part_n come_v to_o dwell_v among_o they_o concern_v who_o religion_n they_o be_v not_o satisfy_v that_o they_o may_v be_v deal_v with_o before_o they_o come_v to_o the_o lord_n table_n also_o if_o any_o infant_n be_v to_o be_v baptize_v and_o if_o there_o be_v any_o thing_n of_o that_o kind_n which_o appertain_v to_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o overseer_n for_o the_o profitable_a and_o decent_a administration_n of_o the_o church_n neither_o be_v the_o answerer_n only_o against_o mr._n traverse_n in_o this_o but_o reason_n itself_o be_v against_o he_o take_v from_o the_o very_a foundation_n of_o that_o office_n in_o the_o church_n as_o appear_v in_o what_o be_v already_o say_v concern_v they_o in_o the_o 23._o section_n compare_v with_o what_o have_v be_v by_o i_o declare_v against_o the_o disorder_n of_o promiscuous_a baptise_v in_o the_o 12._o section_n 4._o he_o say_v if_o he_o have_v protest_v against_o such_o a_o order_n etc._n etc._n such_o a_o protest_n may_v have_v serve_v for_o a_o direction_n to_o the_o right_a use_n of_o their_o power_n but_o do_v not_o tend_v to_o the_o destruction_n thereof_o if_o it_o have_v be_v a_o mere_a declaration_n of_o his_o judgement_n and_o resolution_n though_o deliver_v in_o form_n of_o a_o protest_v and_o have_v be_v strengthen_v with_o good_a reason_n and_o have_v be_v leave_v to_o they_o to_o consider_v of_o it_o may_v have_v serve_v for_o a_o correction_n and_o direction_n to_o the_o right_a use_n of_o their_o power_n without_o destroy_v it_o but_o when_o a_o peremptory_a and_o inflexible_a resolution_n of_o oppose_v what_o they_o shall_v do_v against_o his_o mind_n in_o this_o matter_n be_v hold_v forth_o 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vain_a credulity_n 4._o diminish_v of_o the_o grace_n and_o power_n of_o god_n and_o for_o what_o because_o i_o say_v if_o i_o have_v not_o exercise_v much_o patience_n and_o industry_n the_o church_n will_v certain_o have_v fall_v from_o he_o i_o will_v speak_v something_o to_o every_o one_o of_o these_o several_o to_o the_o first_o it_o be_v no_o vain_a selfe-praysing_a to_o say_v so_o 1._o the_o first_o charge_n reply_v upon_o 1._o for_o it_o attain_v its_o end_n finem_fw-la operis_fw-la &_o oporantis_fw-la for_o it_o show_v both_o how_o free_a i_o be_v from_o nourish_a contention_n in_o that_o church_n for_o the_o preservation_n of_o who_o peace_n i_o both_o do_v and_o suffer_v so_o much_o which_o be_v the_o end_n of_o the_o speech_n and_o it_o tend_v to_o god_n glory_n and_o to_o the_o honour_n of_o the_o gospel_n that_o i_o shall_v declare_v my_o action_n to_o be_v comely_a &_o to_o be_v according_a to_o that_o virtue_n 4.8_o phil._n 4.8_o praise_n and_o good_a report_n which_o 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1._o cor._n 11.14_o 6._o thing_n about_o schysme_n 1._o every_o sesession_n be_v not_o unjust_a 2._o nor_o a_o breach_n of_o unity_n chameron_n de_fw-fr eccles_n de_fw-fr schysm_n pag._n 395._o 3._o nor_o conclude_v to_o be_v a_o schysme_n cartwr_fw-mi reply_n and_o so_o he_o will_v find_v it_o lay_v at_o his_o own_o door_n if_o in_o the_o former_a it_o be_v a_o wrong_n do_v to_o i_o if_o he_o intimate_v as_o he_o seem_v to_o do_v that_o i_o accuse_v they_o of_o a_o schysmaticall_a disposition_n in_o that_o sense_n when_o i_o say_v that_o they_o will_v have_v fall_v from_o he_o for_o 1._o every_o secession_n from_o a_o church_n be_v not_o unjust_a as_o the_o reform_a church_n plead_v for_o the_o justification_n of_o their_o forsake_v the_o romish_a antichristian_a synagogue_n which_o they_o true_o affirm_v to_o be_v no_o schysme_n nor_o themselves_o schysmatickes_n for_o so_o do_v though_o the_o unity_n be_v break_v second_o every_o secession_n from_o a_o true_a church_n be_v not_o a_o 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24.25.26_o 27._o four_o every_o positive_a secession_n or_o schysme_n be_v not_o to_o be_v impute_v to_o the_o schysmaticall_a disposition_n of_o those_o who_o withdraw_v themselves_o but_o sometime_o to_o the_o injurious_a deal_v of_o other_o for_o instance_n under_o arcadius_n the_o emperor_n a_o great_a schysme_n be_v raise_v in_o constantinople_n whereof_o socrates_n speak_v somewhat_o but_o sozomen_n much_o more_o who_o be_v the_o author_n of_o that_o schysme_n be_v those_o orthodox_n christian_n bishop_n presbyter_n and_o people_n who_o be_v incense_v by_o the_o indignity_n of_o the_o thing_n &_o not_o be_v able_a to_o bear_v the_o ill_a usage_n of_o so_o learned_a &_o pious_a a_o man_n as_o chrisostom_n then_o unjust_o banish_v assemble_v a_o part_n &_o forsake_v the_o rest_n of_o the_o church_n be_v i_o say_v these_o blame_v as_o man_n of_o a_o schysmaticall_a disposition_n no._n the_o blame_n of_o it_o be_v lay_v upon_o theophilus_n bishop_n of_o alexandria_n who_o out_o of_o 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