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A85228 Certain considerations of present concernment: touching this reformed Church of England. With a particular examination of An: Champny (Doctor of the Sorbon) his exceptions against the lawful calling and ordination of the Protestant bishops and pastors of this Church. / By H: Ferne, D.D. Ferne, H. (Henry), 1602-1662. 1653 (1653) Wing F789; Thomason E1520_1; ESTC R202005 136,131 385

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within_o the_o priestly_a function_n and_o this_o be_v more_o than_o be_v require_v more_o than_o be_v true_a but_o thus_o much_o at_o least_o he_o must_v by_o his_o own_o reason_n allow_v that_o it_o may_v be_v radical_o found_v in_o that_o order_n and_o for_o want_v of_o that_o foundation_n it_o may_v be_v that_o a_o bishop_n ordain_v per_fw-la saltum_fw-la can_v ordain_v other_o 27._o again_o the_o reason_n say_v he_o why_o a_o bishop_n so_o ordain_v can_v ordain_v or_o consecrate_v be_v not_o quia_fw-la episcopatus_fw-la non_fw-la sit_fw-la distincta_fw-la potestas_fw-la à_fw-la sacerdotio_fw-la sed_fw-la quia_fw-la essentialiter_fw-la illud_fw-la praesupponit_fw-la ut_fw-la potestas_fw-la absolvendi_fw-la necessariò_fw-la praesupponit_fw-la potestatem_fw-la consecrandi_fw-la not_o because_o episcopacy_n be_v not_o a_o distinct_a power_n from_o the_o priesthood_n but_o because_o that_o do_v essential_o pre-suppose_a this_o which_o be_v very_o near_o to_o the_o sound_n of_o the_o 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