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A27014 Sacrilegious desertion of the holy ministery rebuked, and tolerated preaching of the gospel vindicated, against the reasonings of a confident questionist, in a book called Toleration not abused; with counsil to the nonconformists, and petition to the pious conformists / by one that is consecrated to the sacred ministry, and is resolved not to be a deserter of it ... Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. 1672 (1672) Wing B1380; ESTC R5946 61,174 146

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you_o set_v not_o up_o whole_o for_o yourselves_o that_o speak_v so_o 3._o and_o they_o will_v worship_v god_n with_o the_o sect_n of_o the_o diocesan_n prelatist_n in_o the_o parish-church_n also_o as_o far_o as_o will_v stand_v with_o the_o due_a exercise_n of_o their_o proper_a ministry_n but_o will_v not_o promise_v you_o to_o give_v over_o preach_v to_o become_v your_o constant_a auditor_n or_o disciple_n sect._n 6._o you_o understand_v neither_o the_o man_n that_o you_o talk_v of_o nor_o their_o cause_n they_o take_v not_o the_o independent_o assembly_n to_o be_v the_o tent_n of_o enemy_n they_o leave_v term_n of_o enmity_n among_o brethren_n to_o those_o that_o have_v enmity_n in_o their_o heart_n nor_o do_v they_o tame_o deliver_v up_o the_o cause_n the_o most_o nonconformable_a minister_n of_o my_o acquaintance_n who_o judgement_n i_o ever_o ask_v of_o that_o matter_n do_v seem_v to_o think_v as_o i_o myself_o do_v that_o the_o episcopal_a pretbyterians_n independent_o and_o 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dedication_n to_o preach_v the_o gospel_n no_o reason_n to_o preach_v it_o elsewhere_o when_o its_o forbid_a we_o in_o your_o assembly_n be_v the_o alienation_n of_o consecrate_a person_n no_o sacrilege_n be_v the_o notorious_a need_n of_o many_o hundred_o thousand_o soul_n no_o reason_n be_v the_o exercise_v of_o a_o worship_n and_o discipline_n more_o agreeable_a to_o god_n word_n than_o you_o we_o be_v ready_a to_o give_v you_o the_o proof_n when_o we_o have_v leave_v no_o reason_n be_v the_o relieve_n of_o many_o godly_a christian_n who_o be_v cast_v out_o of_o your_o communion_n because_o they_o dare_v not_o conform_v no_o reason_n have_v we_o have_v leave_v to_o have_v cont_v the_o silly_a reason_n of_o mr._n fulwood_n and_o some_o such_o other_o pamphleteer_n produce_v against_o the_o nonconformist_n we_o have_v long_o ago_o show_v you_o cause_n to_o repress_v such_o self_n esteem_n which_o dare_v say_v i_o be_o sure_a they_o bave_v no_o reason_n sect._n 8._o and_o this_o man_n that_o be_v sure_a they_o have_v no_o reason_n for_o it_o can_v instance_n in_o no_o great_a than_o the_o objection_n that_o it_o will_v seem_v a_o undervalue_a their_o liberty_n and_o ingratitude_n to_o the_o king_n 1._o we_o have_v no_o reason_n to_o be_v ungrateful_a to_o the_o king_n nor_o to_o undervalue_v our_o liberty_n 2._o but_o do_v that_o move_v the_o london_n minister_n and_o other_o to_o preach_v all_o this_o while_n before_o the_o declaration_n 3._o when_o you_o have_v prove_v that_o great_a hurt_v than_o good_a will_v follow_v our_o preach_a and_o ministry_n and_o when_o you_o have_v prove_v that_o though_o all_o the_o papist_n in_o england_n do_v use_v the_o liberty_n of_o the_o toleration_n in_o the_o declaration_n yet_o the_o nonconformist_n must_v not_o but_o silent_o leave_v our_o sufficient_a conformist_n to_o do_v all_o the_o work_n against_o ignorance_n infidelity_n popery_n and_o sensuality_n themselves_o i_o say_v when_o you_o have_v prove_v this_o well_o you_o may_v again_o bless_v the_o people_n with_o our_o silence_n and_o persuade_v we_o to_o silence_n ourselves_o when_o you_o can_v do_v it_o otherwise_o sect._n 9_o but_o he_o say_v p._n 6._o their_o ingenuity_n and_o gratitude_n to_o god_n and_o the_o king_n will_v be_v better_o express_v by_o their_o conformity_n and_o loyal_a obedience_n to_o the_o know_a law_n than_o by_o the_o use_n of_o the_o liberty_n permit_v to_o the_o contrary_n answ_n he_o know_v that_o we_o must_v not_o give_v he_o our_o reason_n against_o conformity_n he_o can_v but_o know_v that_o many_o that_o conform_v nor_o in_o all_o the_o matter_n of_o subscription_n declaration_n oath_n discipline_n etc._n etc._n not_o meddle_v with_o other_o man_n conscience_n do_v think_v it_o will_v be_v in_o they_o a_o composition_n of_o such_o heinous_a crime_n as_o they_o do_v forbear_v to_o name_v they_o for_o fear_n of_o seem_v to_o be_v accuser_n of_o other_o and_o to_o be_v unpeaceable_a and_o if_o he_o think_v that_o such_o 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