tells us His design was to ease men of their former burdens and not to lay on more That the duties he required were no other but such as were necessary and withall Just and Reasonable That he that came to take away the insupportable Yoke of Jewish Ceremonies certainly did never intend to gall the necks of his Disciples with another instead of it and if so did not certainly give Power or Authority unto any to Institute in their room such others as they should think good it would be strange says he the Church should require more then Christ himself did and make other conditions of her Communion then our Saviour did of Discipleship Then asks What ground there can be why Christians should not stand upon the same terms now which they did in the times of Christ and his Apostles Whether Religion were not sufficiently guarded and fenced in them Whether there was ever more true and cordial reverence in the worship of God What Charter Christ hath given his Church to bind men up to more then himself hath done And then tells us The grand Commission the Apostles were sent out with was only to Teach what Christ had commanded them not the least intimation of any Power given them to impose or require any thing beyond what himself had spoken to them or they were directed to by the immediate guidance of the spirit of God What Power or Commission therefore any have since received to Institute such Ceremonies in the Worship and Service of God as they shall think good this Answerer or his Adherents may do well to inform us But instead thereof he tells us Nothing is more evident in the New-Testament than that Christ did intrust those whom he appointed in his absence to be the Ministers of his Church with the Government of it He did so and yet he did not Empower or Authorise them to Institute in the Worship and Service of God such Ceremonies as they should think good But says our Politick Answerer This Government could not subsist without the Enacting of Laws for its own and the Churches preservation for that Christ intended c. How does that appear we find nothing in his Gospel of any such intention nor have we reason to believe he intended any should Enact other Laws for the Government of his Church than what himself Enacted since 't were to deny the Scriptures sufficiency unto that end and its being a perfect Rule of our Faith and Obedience in all Gospel Duties and Administrations and in plain term's to tell us that Christ was not faithfull to him that appointed him as was Moses in all his House in that he left not as did Moses a compleat Volume of Laws for its Rule and Government We wish therefore this Answerer would acquaint us with the Instrument by which the Apostles made over their Authority of Enacting Laws for the Government of the Church to their Successors in that it would tend greatly to their conviction who have hitherto been in an error and very much deceived if the Lord Christ be not the sole Lord over and Law-giver to his Church and that the Apostles neither did nor could Delegate a Legislative Power to their Successors being themselves Ministers only of the Gospel of Jesus Christ the Power of the Keys committed unto them not being a Power of giving Laws to the Church but a Power of Teaching and Ruling the Church according to the Laws which Christ himself had given and those as he says not to that present Age of Christians but to all Succeeding Ages in which his Church was to continue in the World they being evey way sufficient to continue and preserve upon Earth a visible Church untill his Second coming But so far this Answerer is in the right That there could have been no such Society if there had been no Law for its Vnity But he should withall have consider'd that there neither could nor can be any Law for its Unity but from an Universal Law-giver the obligation of no Law extending farther then the Iuâ—â—â—â—â—tion or Authority of the Legislator So that it is altogether impossible for any but the Lord Christ to Enact Laws for the visible Unity of Christian Communion in the external Administration of Gods sacred Worship since the Jurisdiction or Authority of none other can reach or oblige all Christians That our Blessed Saviour was greatly concern'd for the Unity of his Church none sure ever doubted But the words quoted by this Answerer from St. Johns Gospel relate not so much to the external visible Unity of the Church as to the internal mystical Union that is between Christ and his Members Yet he tells us That which he would principally have the Reader observe in them is The care that our Blessed Lord and Master took for that great Essential of Christianity the Vnity of the Church No doubt he did both for the internal and external Unity thereof and that not only in his frequent calling on his Disciples to Unity and to love one another making it a Caracteristical note of their relation unto him By this shall all men know that ye are my Disciples if ye love one another But also in commanding them to teach the observation of all things whatsoever he commanded them which would all who would be accounted his Disciples likewise observe and do without setting up their Posts as the Prophet speaks by his Posts Unity would not be wanting among Christians nor yet throughout the Christian world a due uniformity in the external Administration of Gods Sacred worship which variety of Rites and Ceremonies in particular Churches destroys And it may be truly enough said by him That it is impossible for the Gospel to be propagated and upheld by Faith and Charity only as they are lodg'd in mens Hearts unless the Fruits of these Graces were exerted in some things that were visible and obvious to sense and therefore outward worship is required that the inward may be exercised and expressed for to talk of inward worship without any outward expressions thereof is but a Cloak for Atheism But for this Answerer to tell us That the Churches Vnity was the main thing that Christ took care of before his Crucifixion That it is the great Essential of Christianity the very being of Christian Religion depending on it And that the main principle of all Christian Amity and affection is the visible Vnity of Christian Communion in the external Administration of Gods Sacred Worship which ought to be Vniform and undevided and then conclude That variety of Rites in one National Church would cause Division of Judgement and of affection Is such an explanation of the Unity of the Church and visible Unity of Christian Communion in the External Administration of Gods Sacred Worship as I think the world was never before blest with For was it the Unity of a National Church only that Christ took such care of and which is the great essential of Christianity or is
understand that agreement in those ought to be more effectual to joyn them in one Communion I mean saith he In a common profession of those Articles of Faith wherein all Consent A joynt Worship of God after such a way as all esteem lawful And a Mutual performance of all those works of Charity which Christians owe one to another But whilst every one hath a Confession a Form of Worship a Church and its Authority which must be imposed on all others we may look and with for Peace Moderation and Vnity but are never like to meet with them on these Terms Those whom Experience will not convince of the vanity of endeavouring to bring Christians to Vnity of Communion by Secular Force or Compulsion and of the great Miseries Persecutions and Sufferings such Methods have in all Ages brought upon the Churches and People of God with the little or no advantage that at any time hath thereby accrued to Religion will never be Convinced thereof by the clearest Evidences or Demonstrations of Reason And though it cannot be denyed but that there have been and still are many good and holy men who contend earnestly for Secular Force and Compulsion in Religion yet it must withall be said 't is a preposterous and blind zeal in them to endeavour to promote the Truth of Gospel contrary to the Laws of the Gospel But for the generality of its Advocats nothing is more evident then that it is not for the Interest of Religion but for some Carnal Interest or Secular advantage they receive by it 'T is strange that any not wholly ignorant of the State of Christendom or most Christian States not to speak of the Civil Powers in other parts of the World should think that the Exercise of Secular Force or Compulsion in Religion can be for the Interest of the Truth when the Generality of them are Ignorant of it if not enemies to it But we are told where the Truth is once own'd and profest every Error and Heresy that riseth up against it ought to be Supprest and Extirpated by the Civil Sword Will these men then tell us what Sect or Society not of Christians only but of Jews Turks or Heathens believe not themselves alone possest of the Truth So that this Method of preserving and propagating Religion prevailing as it doth too much through the Power and Influence of the God of this World whose Kingdom of darkness could not otherwise long stand against the light and power of Truth What I say doth or can follow upon it but perhaps the Profession of Truth in one place and the Oppression of it in an hundred Do not they who deny unto such as Dissent from the Religion Establisht here the Exercise of their Religion upon the same ground deny it also to all the Reformed Churches in all Popish Countrys of Europe To talk of Truth and Error here is Ridiculous For as we were but now told If Force in Religion may be justly used in any place by those that have Power and think they have Truth it cannot with reason be denyed but that it may be used in every place by those who have Power as well as they and think they have Truth too as well as they But were the same mind in us thaâ— was in our Lord and Master Christ Jesus the same frame of Spirit that was in his Blessed Apostles we would do to others as we would be done unto and not mete unto any what we would not should be meted unto us again But whilst some men make their Judgments or Opinions the Rule or Standard of Truth and Error forcing others to embrace or renounce that as such which they shall so call or judge whatever it appears to them by the Rule whereby they are commanded to try and prove it what Truth or Peace can from thence be expected or hoped for Well therefore might the Judicious Mr. Chillingworth cry out Let those leave claiming Infallibility that have no Title to it and let those that in their Words disclaim it disclaim it likewise in their them under pretence of Religion nor yet a Liberty for any to Preach or Teach Doctrines Destructive or Prejudicial to the Peace and Quiet of Civil Societies but a Liberty of Worship only under the Magistrates inspection And that such a Liberty is the Natural and Common Right of all Nations and Persons hath been so fully prov'd by many Eminent and Learned men even of the Church of England and particularly by the Reverend and Learned Dr. Jeremy Taylor late Bishop of Downe and Conough in his Discourse of the Liberty of Prophesying it would be but Actum agere to say more And it argues great Ignorance or Impudence in those who persist Declaiming against Liberty of Religion without offering at the least answer to what hath been said for it by this and other Learned and Judicious Divines of the Church of England as well as by most of the Ancient and Orthodox Fathers of the Church As for that other Objection against Liberty of Religion that it will cause Disturbance in the State It is not only against Reason but the Experience of all Ages and Places no Instance being to be given that ever Liberty of Religion gave Disturbance to any Civil State But the contrary the denying Christians their just Liberty therein hath been the unhappy occasion of the greatest Troubles Miseries and Desolations that have befallen most of the States and Common-wealths of Christendom But to conclude this Point The Liberty pleaded for is no more in Substance then what by His Majesties late Declaration of Indulgence to Dissenters was Allowed and Approved of by him a much better and Competenter Judge of what is for the Nations Peace and Interest then they who object this Nor was the Parliaments Exception to the Indulgence granted but the manner of granting it which they judg'd might be of ill and dangerous Consequence It is therefore to be hoped they will in due time take it into Consideration and make such provision for the preventing and punishing Seditious Conventicles as wicked and ungodly men may not take occasion from to Molest and Disturb the Assemblies of Peaceable and Pious People for the performance only of the Worship and Service of God in such a way as none can with reason say to be against the Rule and Order of the Gospel much less to be guilty of any Moral Evil or Impiety That the Word of the Lord may have a free Course and his Name be Glorified in the midst of us The Answer to the Answerers Preface IT will I doubt not be equally difficult for this Answerer to shew what Truth he hath Vindicated as what Truth these Queries oppose How far any have been satisfied with his performances is best known unto themselves But how little he hath Complyed with the Gentlemans desire in returning a Candid and Christian Resolution to them is left to the Judgment of every Judicious and Intelligent Reader Had he
l. 27. r. hers p. 11â— l. 9r and Superstition p. 118. l. 6. r. sayes p. 125. l. r. Churches obedience p. 127. l. 9. r. in no wise p. 132. l. 31. for Kings r. kindes p. 133. l. 7. r. aide p 135. l. 10. r. Nursing p. 136. l. 18. r. And so p. 138. l 3 r. Mahumatism l. 15. r. of others l. 16. r. i.e. such p 140. 25 26. r. gaudentem p. 142. l. 10. r. neatly p. 144. l. 17. r. their duty p. 151. l. 6. r. Authors l. 14. r. Murther p. 153. after l. 26. r. with a designe and purpose to ensnare the Consciences of Inferiours much less shall we take upon us to determine what humane Laws thwart c. p. 15â— l. 10 11. r. Instructions l. 14. r. the Kings p. 156. l. 21. r. these p. 161. l. 21. r. endear his l. 26. r. passed a p. 166. l. 9 10. r. Superstitions Query I. Whether hath Christ Instituted a Gospel Church Reply to the Answer to this Query CAvils at expressions tending only to an unprofitable strife of words ought no less to be avoided then foolish and unlearned Questions This Answer therefore who so early as in his Title Page caution'd his Reader against the one should not himself have so soon obtruded on him the other 〈◊〉 What Prerogative preceeding Ages had above the present to Coyn Phrases in Divinity we should be glad to be informed Or if no expression may be therein us'd we meet not with in the New-Testament we may no longer use Sacrament nor Trinity which are not to be there found And yet a Church constituted and Goverâ—'d according to the Rule of the Gospel may as properly be term'd a Gospel-Church as a Church Constituted and Govern'd according to the Laws of a Nation be term'd a National Church an expression frequently us'd by this Answerer though he meet not with it in the New-Testament Nor possibly in Antiquity at least to express a Christian Church But having given us the Queries meaning in his own words he acknowledges that Christ hath Instituted such a Church Query II. What is an Instituted Church of the Gospel and by what means do Persons become a Church of Christ Reply to the Answer to this Query AS in all Disputations 't is necessary the Terms be agreed upon so here what is meant by Church which in Scripture hath divers acceptations for by Church there is sometimes understood the Elect only or mystical Body of Christ by some called the Holy Catholick Church Sometimes again the universality of the Professors of Christianity commonly called the Church Catholick visible And sometimes by Church is meant only a particular Church or Society of Christians united for the performance of the worship of God in the same individual Ordinances according to the Order by Christ prescrib'd Such was the Church at Corinth the Church at Jerusalem the Church at Antioch the Seven Churches in Asia and divers others mentioned in the New-Testament and is the Church here inquired after To which this Answer in saying The Church or the Christian Church is God's Family or Houshold c. answers not the Question not being concerning the Church in the 1st or 2d acceptation of the word But had he said An Instituted Church of the Gospel or as he expresses it A Church Constituted and Govern'd according to the Rules of the Gospel is a Society of men joyning together in the Profession of the Christian Faith having right Pastors or Officers invested with Power to Guide and Govern them in the ways of God and to dispence unto them the Ordinances of the Gospel which none but a Church in the third acceptation of the word hath it might have past for an answer to the Query though not so full and clear a one as might have been given But whereas he says He hopes there may be as well such a National Church in England as there was for above fifteen hundred years in Palestine among the Jews If by such a National Church he means only a Church having National Church-Officers over it as had the Church of the Jews no man sure doubts it But if by such a National Church he means a National Church of Divine Institution we see not whereon he grounds his hopes since it hath not pleased God to Institute or appoint any such National Church under the Gospel Nor does the Church of England pretend to any such original as is evident by the Statute of the 25th of Edward the 3d. Where it is declared to be founded in Prelacy by the Kings and Nobles of England without the least pretence to a Divine Institution as had the National Church of the Jews There is no doubt but that Christ as he says would have his Church Catholick as well as Holy yet not always so Illustrious or visible as to be seen and owned by the world And though whole Nations were to embrace the Christian Faith and upon that account to Constitute the Christian Church or Catholick Church visible yet that doth not Constitute them National Churches such as was the Church of the Jews nor can they be so called upon the same account that a particular Church is called a Church And when Christ threatned the Jews to take the Kingdom of God from them and give it unto a Nation that should bring forth the Fruits of it he meant no doubt as he says more by a Nation then one particular Church for he meant a Nation or People that might have many particular Churches or Congregations of Christians in it but did not thereby Constitute or intend a National Church in his notion Neither yet did he confine the Christian Church to a Nation and consequently not within smaller bounds then the Jewish was when empal'd within the Land of Canaan But how will this Answerer prove it to have been as he says far from the mind of our Redeemer to crumble his Church as he words it into such minute and little Principles of being as Congregational Churches when the Scriptures give so great evidence to the contrary there being indeed no other Instituted Church under the Gospel then what is Congregational And when our Blessed Saviour Instituted those he commanded certainly the Demolishing an Established National Church even the National Church of the Jews the only National Church in the world of Gods Institution The second part of this Query does evidently enough intend a particular Church as before exprest which 't is not impossible but five or six Persons may Constitute notwithstanding his peremptory denyal thereof Christ himself having told us Where two or three are gathered together in his name he is in the midst of them which is the ground or principle of all Instituted Churches and we read of the Church in the House of Aquila and Priscilla which cannot reasonably be supposed to consist of any great number By what means Persons become a Church of Christ And how particular
and Phraisees heretofore made against tolerating our Blessed Saviour himself If say they We let him thus alone all men will believe on him and the Romans shall come and take away both our Place and Nation and I heartily wish it may not befall us as it did them That while they let him not a lone the Romans did come and took away both their Place and Nation But what means he in saying A Naional Church is the ground of Vnity and Communion amongst the Professors of Christianity which is a Notion I am sure he never met with in the New-Testament nor in Antiquity nor yet I dare say in any judicious or intelligent Author Nor is it easie to conceive what he intends by it or in what sense a National Church can be said to be the ground of Unity and Communion amongst the Professors of Christianity who are dispersed over all Nations if by it he means only amongst the Professors of Christianity in a Nation it is very impertinent for a Diocesan Church or a Parochial Church is as much the ground of Unity and Communion amongst the Professors of Christianity in a Diocess or in a Parish as a National Church amongst the Professors of Christianity in a Nation But 't is impossible says this Answerer to obtain this Communion unless the members of the Church own this principle viz. That the visible Vnity of the Curch is necessary for the great ends of Christianity c. But what Church and what Unity is here intended If a National Church Wherein consists its Unity It cannot consist in a joynt Assembly for the celebration of the Ordinances of the Gospel or any one of them as was the Case of the Church of the Jews which met at set times in one place for the performance of that worship which was then required If it shall be said its visible Unity consists in a subordination of Officers in this Church centring in one It will be said likewise and with as good reason That if such an Unity of a National Church be necessary for the great ends of Christianity the preserving and promoting of Peace and Unity the same Unity of the Catholick Church visible is no less necessary for the same ends and so much more desirable as the Unity of the whole with the Peace and Piety thereof is more to be desired then the Unity Peace and Piety of a part and where then shall we end but in a Pope This is so obvious to every understanding that none who plead for the one can with any colour or shadow of reason reject the other And if this Profession as this Answerer says Obliges all persons to acquiess in those determinations by which the Church is visibly upheld and maintained It does so no less in respect of the Catholick Church visible then of a National Church and why then doth he not acquiess in the determinations of the Council of Ariminum against the Diety of our Blessed Saviour of the Council of Constance in taking the Cup from the People of the Council of Nice in Decreeing Image-worship of the Council of Lateran in determining Transubstantiation with others exercising the like Authority an acquiescensie therein being that whereby in his Judgement the Church is visibly upheld and maintained for he cannot with any colour of reason pretend greater submission or obedience to be due to the determinations of a National Church in its representative or National Councel then to the determinations of the Catholick Church visible in its representative a general Council Nor possibly will he abide by his own principle of acquiessing in the determinations of a National Church if he call to mind or but to inform himself what a National Church and even this National Church hath determin'd within the memory of some not long since living I mean in Queen Maries Reign or if he should be such a thorow paâ—'t Conformist all of his Coat will not I am very confident be so But thus far I agree with him That to acquiess in the determinations of any Society or of the Governours thereof iâ— a ground of Unity and Peace in that Society but not always of Truth and Piety without which there is little or no advantage in Unity For nihil bonum est in â—unitate nisi unitas sit in bono Unity in error being but Conspiracy against Truth or as Hierome said speaking of the Council of Ariminum Nomine unitatis fidei infidelitas Scripta est But I do fully agree with him The Society is yet un-named which did not always justifie its own Acts and oblige those under its Authority to confirm to its Laws and Constitutions But this is not to our Question which is not concerning the Authority of the Governours or Rulers of a Society or the obedience due unto them from the Members or Subjects of that Society But whether Christians have not a Right and Liberty to chuse their Communion or whether it be not their duty to joyn themselves unto such Congregations in the participation of the Ordinances of the Gospel as they judge to walk according to the rule of the Gospel and wherein they may be best edified in the knowledge of Jesus Christ and of their Salvation in and by him which this Answerer does not deny neither can it reasonably be denyed For I presume none will say It is every mans duty to be of the Communion of that Church where providence hath cast his Nativity or confin'd his abode Because there born or abiding Nor yet that it is any mans duty to continue in that Church wherein he hath been educated if after serious and sober enquiry and Examination any thing therein injoyn'd or requir'd to be profest or done be judg'd unlawful or unwarrantable by a mans own Conscience But that every one who is actually a Member of any Church or Christian Society ought while he so continues to conform to its Laws and Constitutions none sure will deny Nor can any hinder or forbid Churches of whatever denomination to determine the Bounds of their own Communion and that by such Constitutions and Rights as they in their wisdoms shall judge necessary to preserve Order and Vnity and advance the edification of those under their charge and Government This as he very well says is essential to the Church as it is a Society and there can be no Society without Government and no Government if every one be allowed the Priviledge to question and disobey its Laws and constitutions nothing being more rational then that they who are intrusted with the reins of Government should be invested with a Power to decide and determine all Differences and Controversies arising in that Government and whoever will not acquiess therein ought to be banisht the Society But the Paralogisme is very gross and foul to argue That because they who submit not to the Laws and Constitutions of a Society ought to be banisht that Society therefore they who submit not to the
Laws and constitutions of the Church ought to be banisht the Commonwealth 'T is sufficient to the ends of Government they be banisht that Society only whose Laws and Constitutions they submit not unto and so this Answerer says well Non opus est habere civem qui parere nescit neither Church nor Commonwealth have need of those persons who know not how to obey But till there be a due distinction made between the Church and State between civil and religious Societies and that liberty in Religion allowed unto all men which the Law of Nature and positive Law of God allows and requires the exercise of we can never hope to see Religion flourish nor Peace and Quiet in Christendome Query VI. Whether is there any visible living Judge in Doubts and Controversies of Religion to whose determinations any man is bound to yield his assent and obedience against the Dictates of his own Conscience guided according to the best of his light and knowledge by the rule of Gods word Reply to the Answer to this Query A Clear and positive Answer to this Query would go far towards the ending our greatest differences and Disputes in Religion For either there is or there is not such a Judge as is here inquired after if such an one there be let him be produc'd and his determinations in all Controversial points be made known that they may be submitted to or if there be no such Judge why are any molested and troubled for going according to their own Judgements and Consciences when it is their duty so to do what is said of a Churches being a Society and that every Society may agree upon the means by which all differences arising in it may be determin'd that may probably violatate the Peace and Vnity thereof is not to the present Question which is only concerning such a Judge in Doubts and Controversies of Religion to whose determinations every one is bound to yield his Assent and obedience against his own Judgement We have already acknowledg'd That they who submit not to the Laws and Constitutions of a Church ought to be cast out of that Church which is a sufficient means and the only means of preserving the Peace and Unity thereof And if the Church of England assumes no other Power or Priviledge there is no ground of quarrel or exceptions against her for that But whereas he says She does not like the Papists own any Judge of Controversies in Religion If he means Infallible Judge like the Papists none says She does Or if his meaning be That She owns no such Judge of Controversies as to oblige any to acquiess in her Determinations against their own Judgements as it seems to be by his saying She requires none of her Members to yield obedience to her Determinations against the Dictates of their Consciences why does he molest and trouble any for not yielding such obedience And if all she demands as he says be but That obedience be given to those Laws which are undoubtedly Divine An acquiescence yielded to some disputable points c. which are not against a mans Conscience and a conformity to some indifferent Rites c. which all judge to be indifferent no rational man can sure except against any of this nor deny the Governours of the Church of England to be as much Umpires and Judges in these matters as the Pastors and Elders in any of the Separated Congregations It is as he very well says A vain thing for men to plead that they make Conscience their guide unless they take Scripture for their rule Nor can any plead Conscience for disobeying Lawful Authority in things innocent and indifferent where they judge the things commanded to be so but what some may count indifferent others may judge sinful The Scripture commanding obedience and to be Subject for Conscience-sake does sufficiently manifest that none ought to obey or comply in any thing against Conscience since none against Conscience can be Subject for Conscience-sake It cannot be denyed but that horrid Impieties and Immoralities have been acted under pretence of Conscience though they can never be justified upon the account of Conscience and where any plead Conscience against all sense of duty it is but just with God to leave them to a reprobate state of mind but some mens abandoning or abusing Conscience will never justifie others dispising and deriding of it Whether Dissenters endeavour after the best Information they are able to attain unto and in other things do their duties is no part of this Query But if they do not they are too blame and will have the more to answer for another day and cannot with that satisfaction bear their present sufferings which otherwise they might do As for the grounds of their Seperation Whether sufficient to justifie it or excuse them of Schism will be more seasonably argued when this Answerer or his Adherents shall tell us of such a Judge as in the Query is inquired after to determine who is in the right and who in the wrong who keeps to and who swerves from the rule of the Gospel Query VII Whether to inflict Corporal punishments upon any as transgressors in those matters which no man or Society of men whatever have Authority to pronounce a Judicial difinitive Sentence in so as to make it any mans duty to yield his Assent or obedience thereunto Be not to Execute before Judgement And whether to do so be not against all Rules and Forms of Justice both Divine and humane and such a violation of the Law and light of Nature as no sober or judicious Heathen was ever yet guilty of Reply to the Answer to this Query HAd not this officious person taken on him the answering Questions before he understood them he might have spar'd his pains in all he hath here said having only beaten the Air and fought with his own Shadow 'T is not therefore the Gentlemans being meanly read as he says but the Clergy-mans not understanding what he reads that obtrudes upon the World the errors and absurdities we here meet with the Query not being so impertinent as his ignorance apprehends it nothing being more evidently unjust then that any should suffer as transgressors in those matters wherein in none are authorised to pass a judicial definitive Sentence whether they have therein transgressed or not in which case to punish is to Execute before Judgement and that we say is such a violation of the Law and light of Nature as no sober or judicious Heathen was ever yet guilty of Have we not then to do with an Ingenious and Pleasant person who having spent above twenty pages to no purpose being wholly from the Question hath at last the face or folly rather to tell us He hopes now it appears to be no violation of the Law or light of Nature to inflict punishments in matters of Religion when every Child that could but read English would have told him That not to inflict punishments in
matters of Religion but to Execute before Judgement was the violation of the Law and light of Nature mention'd in the Querie And though this might serve for a sufficient Reply to so pertinent and judicious an Answer yet least he should conceit himself to have said something material though not to the present Question we will examine all he here says as we have done his preceding answers though little or nothing to the Questions before him as every intelligent and discerning Reader sees None sure ever denyed judicious Heathens to have been guilty of inflicting Coporal punishments upon Christians yet did none of them ever do it before they judg'd Christianity it self Criminal and so did not Execute before Judgement though it were an erronious and an unrighteous Judgement And if as he says it were heretofore the Devils policy to serve himself of those who were most Eminent for intellectual and moral accomplishments in persecuting Christs Disciples to beget in undiscerning minds the greater prejudice against them he seems now to have lost much of his ancient subtilty rarely imploying in that base work but the most vicious and flagitious livers It will I doubt not puzzle this Answerer to prove what he affirms viz. That they who are serious and reserv'd and stictest in their lives and Conversations are the greatest opposers of Gods Truths and the Churches Peace the contrary being evident and the very assertion a contradiction of it self Liberty of Conscience and the Magistates Power in Religion have of late indeed been the Subject of many mens thoughts and discourses But none sure do affirm that the Magistrate is not to use all due and proper means to bring men to the knowledge of God and of the service he requries of them But that secular force is a means conducive thereunto many indeed do deny the liberty of Conscience therefore pleaded for by those who are concern'd for the Honour of Religion and Power of Godliness is not as he says That men may serve or not serve God at their pleasure But that all men may be allowed the liberty of serving God as by the rule of his word they judge he would be served while under pretence thereof they become not guilty of any ral evil or impiety And that none be forc'd to conform to such ways and modes of worship as they judge sinful or may not be fully perswaded of the lawfulness of since whatever is not of Faith is Sin But as the best of things are not exempt from the worst of abuses so 't is not impossible but as some plead for Liberty of Conscience that they may render unto God an acceptable service others again may plead for liberty also to be excused the preformance of those duties God requires of them To distinguish therefore between these ought to be the Magistrates great care and concern But for this Answerer to say Because ' its the Magistrates duty to let men alone in the duty they ow to God their Creator and Redeemer i.e. in the preformance of those religious duties God requires of them and none can deny to be truly such therefore God may be either serv'd or Blasphem'd own'd or disown'd by them is such a conclusion as none I think but himself would have made for no sober man sure ever doubted it the Magistrates duty to see as much as in him lyes that God be own'd and duly serv'd by all under him and all moral evils and impieties restrain'd and punisht Nor can any pretence of Conscience excuse much less justifie as he says Blasphemy or exempt any guilty thereof or of the like moral evils from the Magistrates revenging Power which were indeed for him to bear the Sword in vain And now our Answerer craves his Reader 's patience by speaking as he says something largely to this Query when he should have crav'd his pardon rather for mistaking the Question and entertaining him with so impertinent and tedious a Combate with his own shadow But so bewitching is the pleasure of Conquest that sensible of his advantage on his man of Straw he never thinks he has sufficiently beaten him To begin therefore He craves leave to tell the Gentleman the Clergyman is none of the wisest to think that Doomsday's Judgement is the Judgement here spoken of But to do him right on all occasions he is very much in the right in saying 'T is no anticipation of Gods Judgement at Doomsday to inflict Corporal or pecuniary Penalties upon those that offend against the known and plain rules of duty in matters of Religion and therefore he need not have askt to have it shown why it should be so more in Religion then in civil concerns A Magistrate saith he for pronouncing a Sentence of Condemnation upon a Felon or a Murtherer may be said to Execute before Judgement as well as a Justice of Peace for granting a Warrant to leavy 12d upon an Atheist or Papist for not repairing upon the Lords day to his Parish Church And why then will this Gentleman this ignorant Gentleman say that the Execution of such a mild or perhaps a severer Law is a violation of the very Law and light of Nature It is indeed a Question fit to be askt and had been a folly never to have been answer'd had he said any such thing But with this learned and judicious Answerers good leave the Gentleman will take leave to say That should a Magistrate pronounce Sentence of Condemnation and Execute a Felon or a Murtherer before he were Convict and Judg'd a Felon or a Murtherer it would be such a violation of the Law and light of Nature as no sober or Judicious Heathen was ever yet guilty of The like may be said of levying 12d upon any for not coming to Church before he be Convict of not coming and his not coming Judg'd a Crime That all Nations whether Jewish Heathen or Christian have as he says assum'd to themselves the power of protecting the Honour of those Dieties they have made the object of their worship and punisht those offenders that have either neglected their duty or affronted the Majesty of those Gods which they have pretended to serve is so evident and notorious and agreeable to the Law and light of Nature that 't is time lost to prove it our Answerer therefore might have spar'd his pains in this particular and not have given himself the trouble of proving what none sure ever deny'd or doubted But he tells us of Grotius his observation out of Sneca viz. That those who violate Religion have various kinds of punishments inflicted on them but there is no Nation but inflicts some No certainly it being so far from a violation of the Law and light of Nature that nothing is more consonant thereunto And who I pray are greater violators of Religion then they who subvert or alter its Divine or Original Institutions When Numa Pompilius as he observes Instituted a Pontifex Maximus or Chief Priest and committed to him
all the words of the Book of the Covenant that was found in the House of the Lord was it not by convincing them it was their duty so to do for it reacht no farther then to those who were present And who denies the like Power unto Christian Magistrates Nor needs there any great search in the Annals of time and History of Ages to know that Princes and People never more prosper'd then when Religion was countenanc't Idolatry punisht and the great Causes and occasions of Schism the requiring other Terms and Conditions of Church-Fellowship and Communion then God requires were unknown or removed Nor is there ought in the Instances before mentioned That needs any such constructions or evasions as this Answerer speaks of to reconcile them to the liberty in Religion pleaded for For who did ever deny unto Magistrates Power to command and require their People to serve God as God hath exprest and declar'd he will be serv'd or to remove such outward appearances and Monuments of worship as are evidently and apparently false and Idolatrous which in both instances was but the Case of the before-mentioned Kings of Judah But that which is excepted against Is the prohibiting any to worship God in such a way as none can say to be against the mind and will of God or displeasing unto him or the compelling any to worship God in such a way as they Judge sinful or are not satisfied in the lawfulness of And though the State of Religion under the Gospel be far differing from what it was under the Law yet surely Princes are not as he says in a worse condition by the coming of Christ then they were in the Jewish Commonwealth where they had no power to command ought in Religion but what God willed or commanded and so they may do still by all the ways and means appointed by God and useful thereunto But what is it this Answerer hath found in the 49 chap of Isaiah to prove the Magistrates Coercive Power in Religion Gods affectionate answer to his peoples complaint promising never to forget them will not do it neither his promise of delivering them from their Enemies and adding to their numbers nor yet that Kings should be nursing Fathers and Queens nursing Mothers to his Church For Nurses do not use to force and coerce their Children but nourish and cherish them But this place does indeed imply or promise that there should be Soveraign Princes who should nourish and cherish the People of God and take care that no hurt or violence be offer'd unto them or to his Church which is as much as the Metaphor will bear since true Religion cannot be forc't or upheld by Secular power 'T is Antichristianism that is so supported and maintain'd by those who give their power and strength unto the Beast And they carry the Metaphor too farr who would have Princes like Nurses to feed their Children Christ having appointed other Overseers of his flock for that works whom the Magistrate ought indeed to protect and defend in the performance thereof but not to dictate nor prescribe to them therein There may not be wanting expositors who as he says may conceive this Prophesie to have been fulfilled when Emperours and Kings became Christians and enacted Laws to secure the Faith of Christ from all Enemies c. though they have no great Reason for it it being but too well known that Christian Religion hath suffer'd more then ever it gain'd by pretended Christian Magistrates For if Constantine protected the Truth his Successor Constantius with divers others after him persecuted it Yea the generality of Christian Magistrates for above a thousand years together by the instigations of the Bishop of Rome were its great opposers and oppressors and though for several years past God hath blessed this Nation beyond most of the Nations of the Earth with Kings and Queens who have protected and defended the Truths of the Gospel and the people of God from the Tyranny and opprssieon of that great Enemy to both yet in respect of Christendom there is little cause to say that this Prophesie was fulfilled when Kings and Emperours became Christians As there have been Laws enacted by Kings and States in behalf of the Truth so there have been infinitely more enacted against it error too soon and generally prevailing over the Christian world which for a Protestant to Question were to deny his Faith He cannot be thought a Friend to Truth who shall oppose any means conducive unto its promotion But whoever shall consider how few of the Mighty and Noble of the Earth to whom wordly Power and Authority is committed are called unto the knowledge thereof must acknowledge likewise that where one Law bath been enacted in behalf of the Truth hundreds have been enacted to its prejudice It is not therefore in opposition to Truth but for the Truths sake that we plead for its standing upon its own Bottom and prevailing by its own strength and efficacy For as the Truths of the Gospel were at first planted and propagated throughout the world by the Ministry of the Gospel and influence of the Divine Spirit without the aid and assistance of the secular Power so by the same means and methods they are best secured and preserved nor is secular force and power a means by God appointed or in its nature conducive to the promoting of Truth since 't is conviction and not force must induce assent And though some Hereticks may have seem'd to retract their opinions upon the severity of penal Laws against them there is little reason to believe that any of them thereby became real converts for though force may make an Hypocrite it can never make a true Believer If we believe not the Donatists and Independants so nearly related as this Answerer tells us having but his say so without other proof and if we are not Convinc't That Austins changing his mind proves second thoughts to be always best it will not we hope be thought any violation of the Law or light of Nature 't is not unknown how that Pious Father was molested by that petulant Faction no wonder therefore he should approve of what ever delivered him from them But would it not be very pleasant for Magistrates to change their Laws as oft as Doctors change their minds and that every new opinion should be the ground of a new Statute And yet I fully approve of what this Learned and Pious Father That Kings as is commanded them from Heaven serve God in that Office when in their Kingdoms they Command what is good and Prohibit what is evil and that not only in things that belong unto humane Society but also unto Divine Religion So they command but what is known and allowed to be good and in mens power to do and Prohibit no more then what is by the light of Nature or some positive Law of God apparently evil And if there be more passages to the same purpose as this
matter The like may be said of all such Gospel Duties the goodness whereof depends wholly upon the Institution and therein the manner as well as the matter must be punctually observ'd nay the manner of performing these duties determines the matter of them for if they be performed in their due manner the action is good if not the action it self is sinfull This Answerer therefore runs himself into this error by not distinguishing between things in their own Nature good or evil and those things whose goodness depends wholly upon Institution and consequently on their due performance Authority therefore may oblige men to be Loyal and Peaceable Honest and Just which are moral vertues and punish them if they be Rebellious and Seditious Injurious and Theives which are moral evils Yet cannot force any in the sight of God to an acceptable performance of the one nor abstinence from the other because God accepts only of the Heart or an hearty obedience which cannot be so forc't It hath been already acknowledg'd in the case of the Kings of Israel and Judah That Magistrates may command their People to serve God as God hath commanded and they are convinc't and satisfied he will be served but no otherwise since whatever is not of Faith is sin which the Magistrate may not compel to yet may he prohibit the doing of any thing which may either dishonour or destroy Government Every King is as he says both the Minister of God and the Ruler of his People and oblig'd to the duties he mentions as hath been already acknowledg'd Nor are as he says our Governours so much to consider our willingness to serve God as our benefit and their duty But it is neither their duty to force any to worship God after any other way or manner then they are perswaded God will be worship't or that will be acceptable unto him since as hath been said what is not Faith is sin which the Magistrate by forcing to becomes guilty of Nor is it for their Peoples benefit to be forc't to any thing in Religion beyond their Convictions all such performances being in themselves sinfull And for this Answerer to say It will perhaps be found as great an Act of Justice and Charity to force some to go to Church as 't is to force some Boys to go to School speaks him very unfit to be an Instructer and Teacher of others who is himself so unacquainted with the nature and essence of Religion And whereas he says The Magistrate will find the benefit by exercising his Coercive Power in matters of Religion for 't is of that alone we are here speaking in securing the honour of his own Laws and Authority the contrary is most evident for wherever his Authority interposeth it self where the Authority of God is immediately concern'd as it is in all the Actions and duties of Religion and shall by Religious and Pious Persons be Judg'd to interfer therewith it will certainly be contemn'd and disobeyed as were the Decrees of Nebuchadnezzar and Darius Recorded in the third and sixth chapters of Daniel and as was the Authority of the Chief Priests and of the Rulers of the Jews when they forbad Peter and John to speak or teach in the name of Jesus Nor is it likely to be more beneficial to the persons on whom such methods are used for being no means of Gods appointment unto any such ends as well as in its own nature thereunto improper his blessing cannot be expected to go along with it And to say 'T is better for men to come within the possibility of being perswaded to Religion and reduced to sober apprehensions of it then to continue in their Schisms and voluntary neglect of all Piety is very wide from this Question which neither countenances Schism nor discountenances Piety but would not that any should be forced to serve God in any other way or manner then God will be served or they Judge acceptable unto him nor are all to be charged with Schism and a voluntary neglect of Piety who frequent not the Publick worship wherever they live much less to be out of a possibility of being perswaded to Religion and void of all sober apprehensions of it which yet compulsion is so far from perswading or reducing any unto that its efficacy lyes the other way it breeds rather an aversion and abhorrency towards it and towards those that use it But says our Answerer suppose the worst viz. That compelling men to Church do not produce any inward change in their minds yet certainly 't is a means conducive to so blessed an end But who I would know tells him so 'T is no means I am sure of Christs appointment nor did he himself ever use it salvation indeed he offer'd which who so refus'd at his Peril those that had ears to hear let them hear being the usual conclusion of his Sermons He sent likewise his Disciples to Preach the Kingdom of God but not to force or compel any to hear them But suppose says the Pious and Learned Bishop Davenant some should be so obstinate they will not receive this Gospel shall they then exercise no temporal Power none at all says he They are commanded to shake off the dust from their feet as a Testimony against them but they are not commanded to compel them by any external force or violence I would gladly know of this Answerer should providence permit the Re-establishment of Popery in this Nation whether the compelling him to Church would be a means conducive to his Conversion if it will can he doubt but they who would esteem it a blessed work should not be as zealous for it then as he is now Perhaps he may say the case is not the same for he is in the right while all others on either hand of him are in the wrong which is not impossible though very improbable yet whilst others think themselves as much in the right as he the case will be the same and he may reasonably enough expect the same measure he metes will be measur'd to him again That Hypocrasie the sin against which our Blessed Saviour denounced so many woes should be preferred as by him it is for the honour of Religion is what I have not before met with such Preachers therefore may well plead for compelling to their Churches who are not otherwise likely to have many hearers Nor do I understand the Logick of all mens being advantag'd by forceable methods because some may be externally reform'd while others again are thereby apparently injur'd And to what purpose does he here talk of mens being restrained from acting their abominable Lusts which we no less wish then he nor does this Query infer the contrary though he would have it thought to countenance impiety and a scornful contempt of the Church and Iustitutions of Christ when it aims only at the promoting of Piety in a due observation of Christ's Institutions by which the Nations as well as Gods
honour will be best secured Ahabs humiliation which he instances in was a voluntary action he did it not by constraint but was thereunto moved by what the Prophet said unto him and makes not therefore against the drift of this Query And who doubts that if a stop were put to gross Schisms I mean what are truly such and not unduly so call'd and bare fac'd Atheism with other villanies that abound amongst us but it would be acceptable unto God and all good men As likewise the restrâ—ining of Seducers from propagating their contagious errors would this Answerer but vouchsafe a clear and positive Answer to the 6th Query and tell us who is Judge of Truth and Error in disputable Points of Religion and not always leave it to the strongest to determine And to talk of Lawless and licencious Practices being universally pleaded for when the plea is only for a liberty to serve God in Faith without doubting is a strain beyond the ordinary bounds of Truth and Honesty But says our Answerer If men are so perverse and incorrigible as not to be reform'd themselves yet the punishmeâ—ts that are inflicted upon them may prevent the like sin in others They may so in such things as any are convinc't to be sins But what any shall judge to be theirs and others indispensable duties the punishing of some for those things will not deterr others who fear God more then men from doing the like whatever they suffer for it But so something be said and Authorities cited it matters not how applicable to the present Question Query XI Whether Christ's Rule of his Disciples under the Gospel be not by a Spiritual Power and whether to use the Temporal Sword in Religious matters be not to make the Weapons of the Gospel not mighty through God but mighty through the Magistrates Power to Arm the Church with Weapons Christ never gave her and to make her a Military rather then a spiritual Society Reply to the Answer to this Query THough what is mighty through the Magistrates Power is as he says mighty through God as he is the original and Fountain of all Power yet the Apostle tells us The weapons of their Warfare are not Carnal whereby he distinguishes between the Carnal Power of the Civil Magistrate by which the world is Govern'd in all worldly Affairs and Concerns and the Spiritual Power wherewith Christ rules his Subjects under the Gospel which this Answerer seems altogether unacquainted with having possibly never felt the power and efficacy thereof in his own Soul and to talk to such of a Spiritual Power is like talking to blind men of colours But the Magistrate says he is Gods Minister and that to the benefit and welfare of mens souls as well as their worldly and outward Estates But how or in what manner to the benefit and welfare of their Souls he is not at present dispos'd to tell us But would have us to believe the reason why Christ never made use of the Civil Magistrates Power to recommend or obtrude as he phrases it his Doctrine on the world was because the secular Powers were in the days of his flesh in open Enmity and Hostility against him But does he think Christ could not as easily have converted Magistrates as others had he so pleased or does he not know that To him was given all Power both in Heaven and on Earth and that had he thought it necessary or expedient for the Interest of Religion he could as well have commanded the Magistrates Power as any other But he declin'd it as we may reasonably enough suppose to manifest to the world that the Gospel or true Religion was wholly founded upon Spiritual Power was compleat therein and needed not the aid and assistance of secular Force But the Argument against the Magistrates Power in matters of Religion is not so much from Christs not using it as from the nature of Religion which cannot be so forc't it being seated in those faculties to which outward violence can have no access So that the unsuitableness of the means to the end aimed at as well as Christs not serving himself of it for the propagation of Christian Religion with the sufficiency of that Spiritual Power in the gifts he gave unto his Ministers for the perfecting of the Saints for the work of the Ministry and for the edifying of his Body Is that which renders the Magistrates Authority in matters of Religion not necessary not to say more And whereas this Answerer says That Christ was armed with such miraculous power from Heaven that he did not need any assistance from Empires or States Does he think his Arm shortned or that he now stands in more need of secular assistance then heretofore We argue not against the Churches making use of the Authority of Kings to protect herself against force and violence or the injuries or oppressions of any but against Magistrates imposing on her or on any in matters of faith and worship and yet we say with this Answerer That our Blessed Saviour in erecting his Church never intended to diminish the Power of Magistracy neither hath he it being the same now it ever was Magistrates having the same Power now that ordinarily they ever had nor is there any thing in Christian Religion but what is not only consistent but highly advantagious to Civil States and Societies in that it reacheth conscientious obedience to Authority wheresoever and in whomsoever lodg'd and faithfull dealings between man and man Though the Church be as he says a Military she is still a spiritual Society the weapons of â—hâ—se warfare are not carnal but mighty through the Spirit of God not the Power of the Magistrate to the pulling down of strong bolds and every high thing that exalteth it self against the knowledge of God and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ. If this Answerer can tell us of any other weapons belonging to her we shall own our obligation to him for the discovery Query XII Whether to say the Spiritual Power Christ hath given unto his Church for the right ordering and governing thereof is not sufficient unto that end without the aid and assistance of the secular Power be not to blaspheme Reply to the Answer to this Query WE were promis'd in the last Answer to be shown in this what were the weapons of the Churches warfare but instead thereof are there told the end only of Christs giving Power to his Church which none sure ever doubted to be for the edification not destruction of the souls of his People yet we still say with the Apostle the weapons of the Churches warfare are not carnal That Christ gave gifts and neither Swords nor Guns unto men for the perfecting of Saints for the work of the Ministry and for the edifying of his Body and that the Spiritual Power he gave unto his Church for the right ordering and Governing thereof is sufficient unto that end And
wherein doth this permit men to renounce the common Christianity c. as this Answerer very impertinently objecteth And 't is left to the Judgement of all rational men whether they who insist upon the sufficiency of the Spiritual Power Christ hath given unto his Church for the right ordering and governing thereof and the Scriptures being the sole rule of every mans Faith and Obedience in all Gospel duties and Administrations or they who allow unto every national or Provincial Church a Power to Decree Articles of Faith and compose Forms of Divine worship to be imposed by civil Magistrates upon Christians are the more likely to lead into the Paths of Heresie and Schism and to destroy the Vnity of the Church and consequently whether these or those do gratifie the old Serpent in his malitious wiles and methods and give leave to his Instruments to accomplish their Hellish designs in destroying Christianity and the Churches Government at one blow I say again let every rational and unprejudiced person considering the nature and essence of Christianity and by what ways and methods it hath been corrupted and destroyed judge Gods name is not indeed blasphemed as he says when his Institutions are made use of to uphold his Truths c. But he hath no where Instituted the civil Sword to force any to the Christian Faith much less to uphold whatever is taught or pretended so to be And if his name be blasphemed when mens minds are alienated from the Christian Religion They will be found guilty thereof who use such means and methods for its propagation as they pretend as beget an aversion in many towards it and those that use them And who is it that would make the profession thereof Arbitrary They who say the Spiritual Power Christ hath given unto his Church for the right ordering and governing thereof is sufficient unto that end cannot reasonably be said so to do And wherefore doth he here talk of every beâ—ted Brain and Sulpherous Male-content being left to serve God or serve him not to believe in Christ or openly to deny and blaspheme him When all we Pray and Plead for is but That the word of the Lord may have a free course and that his name may be glorified in the free exercise of all Religious duties without ever denying it the Magistrates duty to punish Blasphemy and the like evils and impieties But 't were worth knowing from this Learned and Judicious Answerer how far any are obliged to ad here to the Church in which they were Baptized that we may not have too hard thoughts of our first Reformers for forsaking the Church in which they partook of that Sacrament It is as he says One thing to Convert Pagans and Infidels to Christianity and another thing to keep them within the bounds of their duty who already profess it and yet are both effected by the same means and the Magistrate can no more compel unto the one then to the other But when men give up their names to Christ 't is certainly as he says the duty of Church-men to use all lawfull and proper means to prevent their Apostacy from him But who are the incorrigible offenders he speaks of Or what occasion doth this Query administer To ask why the Magistrate may not be requested to save a soul from death c. The Magistrate may certainly be requested to punish sin and wickedness it being the great end for which God committed the Power of the Sword to him But he can no more save a Soul from death and Rescue him out of the snare of the Devil then he can give grace or faith which are the gifts of God alone yet this hinders not but that Magistrates and Ministers ought to use all due and lawful means To reduce men to Christianity and prevent their Apostacy from it There is no more need now then in the primitive Ages of the Church that its Acts and Censures should be seconded by the Sword of the Secular Power our Blessed Saviour who is faithfull having promised to be with his Disciples Teaching what he commanded them to the worlds end And that there is so little of Power and efficacy in in the Acts and Censures of some who would be accounted his Disciples is not that Christ hath withdrawn any of that ordinary Power he gave unto his Ministers for the perfecting of the Saints and the edifying of his body but their failure in the condition annexed to his promise in not teaching what he commanded but setting up their own inventions and devices in the place of his Institutions were the Censures of the Church as orderly and regularly pronounc't now as heretofore they would have the same effects now as then upon the Souls and Consciences of believers what effect they had upon their Bodies we are rather told then Convinc't of for the Intestuous Corinthian's being deliver'd unto Satan was no more then as hath been already said his being cast out of the Church the Kingdom of God into the World the Kingdom of the Devil nor were the deaths of Ananias and Saphira with the blindness of Ellmas the Sorcerer the effects of any Church Acts or Censures but of that extraordinary Power Christ conferred on his Apostles to manifest his Power and Authority to the unbelieving world and to say it was to supply the defect of the Magistrates Coercive Power in the Church as if the Churches Power were defective without the Magistrates Sword is highly derogatory unto that Spiritual Power and Authority Christ hath given unto the Ministers of his Gospel for the ordering and Governing of his Church unto the worlds end 'T is as one hath well observ'd much of Christs glory to rule his Subjects under the Gospel by a spiritual Power 't is that Power makes a man a Christian 't is that Power in all Gospel Institutions that keeps men in their due obedience unto Christ and 't is that Power carries the sting of the punishment when men are cast out of the Church 'T is indeed that Power does all under the Gospel and to bringin the Temporal Sword is to make the weapons of the Gospel not mighty through God but mighty through the Magistrates Power and wholly to alter the nature of the Gospel and all its Institutions 'T is to Aâ—m the Church with weapons Christ never gave her and to make her a Military rather then a Spiritual Society What he says of Dissenters being pâ—nisht for indangering the Peace of the State by disobeying the Laws of the Church shall be spoken to when he tells us what Laws and what Church he here means Nor can we till then say How the Interest of those Societies are twisted and united But do very well know it to have been one of the greatest Artifices in the mystery of Iniquâ—ty so to twist the civil and some pretended Religious Interests as to preswade the world The Oak cannot subsist without the Ivie but as well Reason as Experience
against the Dictates of their Consciences And whether this or that particular commanded by Superiours in the Worship and Service of God be agreable with or contrary to the Law of God none may judge for another every mans Reason as the Reverend and Learned Dr. Stillingfleet hath truly told us proceeding according to the rule of Gods word must therein be his own Judge Query XVII Whether it be not the duty of all Christians to walk together so far as they have attain'd and in other things wait the Revelation of the mind of God to them that differ Reply to the Answer to this Query OUr Answerer acknowledges what none can reasonably deny That every Christian is bound to frame and order the course of his life according to the measures of his knowledge And he is so in an especial manner in all the exercises of Religion in which none ought to be forc't beyond what God hath been pleased to reveal of his mind and will unto them for where any are not convinc't of the lawfulness of an action to do it to them 〈◊〉 is sin though the thing it self may not be unlawfull Nor is every one who is not of his Superiours opinion to be censur'd by this Answerer as willfull in retaining error or opiniotive in dispising those who have more knowledge then himself 'T is not impossible but Superiours may err and God approves not of blind obedience because he will not as the Reverend and Learned Bishop Davenant tells us hold them excused who with a blind zeal follow their Leaders But who are they this Answerer terms weak Christians and Babes in knowledge If such as make Conscience of their ways and actions and out of fear of offending God dare not Conform to what they are not convinc't of the lawfulness of they are so far from being weak they will one day appear to be the wisest Christians Let us not therefore judge one another but judge this rather That no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his Brothers way And though he tells us Babes in knowledge are not fit to be intrusted with their own Conduct and Protection c. there are those Babes to whom God hath revealed those things he hath hid from the Wise and Prudent What he says of Childrens being cccker'd and upheld in their humours is extreamly impertinent here and nothing to this Query But he tells us If men would live up to the plain Principles of their Religion or walk together so far as they have attain'd They could not possibly conceive it their duty totally to forsake their Parochial Churches and think it an arbitrary indifferent matter whether they professed themselves Christians or Infidels What he means by totally to forsake their Parochial Churches I know it there being those who though they cannot communicate with every Parochial Church nor yet with any Parochial Church in every thing are yet ready and willing to communicate with them in all Christian Offices and duties of Religion seperated from those circumstances or Adjuncts of worship of Humane Institution of whose lawfulness they are not satisfied who do not therefore totally forsake them much less think it an Arbitrary indifferent matter whether they profess themselves Christians or Infidels though they believe not all Profession of Christianity to consist in Communicating with Parochiall Churches As for his Scorners and Infidels Chair it might very well have been spared here neither this nor any of these Queries giving the least countenance or incouragement unto such or that any should go unpunisht for the neglect or contempt of Christianity An Inferiours differing in Judgement from his Superiour ought to excite his utmost â—are and diligence to search and find out the Truth But will not warrant his yielding blind obedience to any of his Dictates Be ye 〈◊〉 not the Servants of men is a Divine precept which must take place in the duties of Religion or no where Yet ought not any to Condemn a whole Church or withdraw from its Communion but where there are so great corruptions and defects in it and those too so plain and evident from Scripture as may justifie both his charge and seperation but of them the party seperating must still Judge It is the highest Vsurpation saith the Reverend and Learned Dr. Stillingfleet to rob men of the Liberty of their Judgements That which we plead for against the Papists is That all men have eyes in their heads as well as the Pope that every one hath a Judicium privatae Discretionis which is the Rule of Practice as to himself and though we freely allow a Ministerial Power under Christ in the Governours af the Church yet that extends not to an obligation upon men to go against the Dictates of their Reason and Conscience Their Power is only directive and declarative and in matters of duty can bind no more then Reason and Evidence brought from Scripture by them doth Though in all Ages Christians of different opinions and perswasions may have Communicated with one another in the Offices of Religion wherein they agreed which is but what this Query calls for yet they never Communicated with one another at least ought not so to have done in those things they judg'd sinfull or superstitious nor forced each other thereunto But the Orthodox the Arians and the Novatians might lawfully enough joyn together in Prayer where their errors were not mixt with their Prayers and made a part of their worship And in that Christ and his Apostles as he says frequented the publick Assemblies both in the Temple and Synagogues it is evident though the worshippers many of them at least were guilty of great corruptions and impieties yet their worship it self was free from them they could not else have Communicated with them in their worship and not have Communicated with them in their corruptions and impieties which were Blasphemous to imagine And though our Blessed Saviour Incouraged all due Reverence and Ohedience to be paid to publick Laws and Governours in commanding the multitude to do whatever the Scribes and Pharisees who sate in Moses seat bid them to observe and do yet it was to be understood when according to Moses Law not that they had Power to ad â—o or diminish fâ—om what God had appointed or were implicity to be obeyed He having elswhere charged his Disciples to Take heed and beware of the leaven i. e. Doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadduces So that though all due Rererence and Obedience be to be paid to publick Laws and Governours yet is not blind Obedience to be yielded unto either being inconsistent with those Gospel precepts which command us to Prove all things To take heed that no man deceive as and as hath been said That we be not the Servants of men for that every ome must give an account of himself to God When he says That God hath made sufficient discoveries of
charge not this on the Church of England nor have we said That they who serve God according to her Liturgy were false-worshippers These are but the uncharitable Inferences and Surmises of a strangely ignorant or immeasurably malitious Person who wanting strength of Reason or Argument to oppose the Truths he likes not thus loads them with Reproach and Calumny And to what purpose does he tell us it being nothing still to this Query That there is no Congregated Independent Congregation in England but the respective Pastor of it assumes to himself more Power and Authority to Govern and Conduct the sworn Members of it in the ways and duties of Religion then the greatest Prelate in our Church does in his Province or Diocess unless to manifest how difficult it is for him to write one true Period there being amongst them no such sworn Members as he mentions and whether of them exercise most Power and Authority to Conduct and Govern their respective Members in the ways and duties of Religion let those concern'd determine But this he says He will not prove from their Practices the thing being apparent from the very Principles of Independency which aim at little else but Tvranny and Pre eminence as appears by the Independant Pastors excluding whom they please from the means of Salvation and making that a condition of their Communion which is impossible I hope he does not mean here that in making the conditions of their Communion impossible they exclude whom they please from the means of Salvation as if there were no Salvation out of their Communion and yet I know not what else he means by it and if that be his meaning they do not yet exclude any from the means of Salvation in making that a condition of their Communion which is impossible for if the condition were impossible the Communion which depended on it would be so too but the contrary is very well known and so in good time will the credit of this Reporter likewise be But as a farther instance of their Tyranny and Praeâ—eminence he tells us They pry into the very secrets of mens Souls Lives and Actions by severe Scrutinies and Examinations If they do it is not by the Oath c. we have heard much talk of But they will not he says admit of any to be Members of their gather'd Churches till they have satisfied the curiosity of their guides That is they will perhaps have no Communion with unbelievers nor Fellowship with the unfruitfull works of darkness a great Crime and worthy this Answerer's rebuke But is it more then probable as he politickly observes That this and not meanness of Trade impoverishes City and Country or supposing they who having been made partakers of their Spiritual things should according to duty administer unto them in carnal things How should this occasion the Nations poverty What do they receive which they give not again Or which of them hath such plenty as to enable them to hoard up any thing No no we are told by a wiser and more pious Politician That a fruitfull Land is turned into barrenness for the wickedness of them that dwell therein And the Holy Prophet tells us The Land mourns and the Herbs of every field wither not for Peoples meeting together to pray for a blessing upon themselves their Governours and the Land of their Nativity but for the wickedness still of them that dwell therein thus we see how persons differ in Judgement according to the diversity of their spirits and passions But to return to the Query charged in the Rear with blind Leaders and Followers he wishes the Gentleman would not make such sly and unworthy reflections upon the conformable Laity and Clergy of this Kingdom And the Gentleman wishes likewise this Answerer would also forbear applying to particulars what is indefinitely spoken and was not by him intended to one party more than another But 't is a shrew'd sign of some very sore place in the Ass that kicks and winches upon every approach before he is touch't Query XX. Whether it be not most unreasonable in the concerns of Eternity to tie men by Temporal penalties to fallible guides whom to follow may be their Eternal to forsake their Temporal Ruine Reply to the Answer to this Query HE hath nothing it seems to say against it and therefore very advisedly sends his Reader he knows not whither for satisfaction in he knows not what Query XXI Whether the main inlet of all the Distractions Persecutions and Divisions in the Christian World hath not been by adding and requiring other conditions of Church-Fellowship and Communion than Christ or his Apostles did Reply to the Answer to this Query THe enquiry here is only into the original of the Distractions Persecutions and Divisions which have been in the Christian world i. e. among Christians or such as have made profession of Christianity not of the Persecutions raised against them by Heathens and Infidels The Ten Persecutions therefore against the Primitive Christians and the Inroads of the Goths and Vandals into Italy come not within this enquiry But says this Answerer If it be understood in this sense there are very great mistakes in it for that severe proceedings of Christian Emperours against Hereticks and of Hereticks against the Orthodox Christians were not for Innovations brought into the Church as conditions of Christian Communion but for the Truths of Christ c. That 's the Query and wherein â—y the great mistakes in asking it But he may be pardon'd this for so ingeniously professing himself Ignorant of any Distractions Persecutions and Divisions that were ever raised in the Christian World upon the account of adding and requiring new or unheard of conditions of Church Fellowship unless it were the difference between the Western and Eastern Churches about the Observation of Easter So that it seems he is ignorant of the Persecutions and Divisions that were amongst Christians in the Reigns of Constantine Constantius and some following Emperours upon the imposition of differing if not contradictory Creeds For it was not the Doctrine of the Trinity Three Persons and one God as exprest in Scripture that caus'd the breach of Communion and Church-Fellowship between the Arians and the Orthodox Christians but the Orthodox forcing the Arians to subscribe to their newly invented Homoousian as did afterwards the Arians where they prevailed requiring the Orthodox to subscribe to their Homoiousian whereas as a Learned Prelate hath well observ'd had both parties acquiesced in the very Scripture expressions without their own additions they might have lived peacably and quietly together and the Arian Heresie probably have soon expired Error divested of Secular Force and Support not being long able to withstand the â—ower of Truth He is it seems likewise Ignorant of the great Divisions which after arose in the Church about the Procession of the Holy Ghost whereas as the said Learned person likewise observes had they acquiesced also in what the
Scripture plainly declares viz. That the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father and that he is sent by the Father and also by the Son but whether he proceeds from the Son or by the Son the Scripture being silent they ought to have been so too as to that Question and 〈◊〉 they had avoyded the unhappy breach which ensued thereon But is it possible this Answerer should be Ignorant of the sad Persecutions and Divisions which have been amongst Christians upon the account of Rites and Ceremonies imposed as conditions of Church-Fellowship and Communion which neither Christ nor his Apostles ever required For not to instance in those between Austin and the Monks of Bangor with others we read of in ancient story what thinks he of the unhappy Breaches and Divisions which have been thereby occasion'd even in this Church ever since the Reformation he that is Ignorant thereof must be something more then I am here willing to express But he tells us the difference between the Eastern and Western Churches about the observation of Easter can by no means be applyed to the present case of the Church of England and those that separate from its Communion Nor have I heard of any that ever so apply'd it and yet for any thing he says to the contrary it may be applicable enough For his presuming does not prove That every National Church hath a more indispencible Power over its own Members if as we have Reason to believe he takes every one for such who is born or Inhabits within that Natâ—on than either the Western Church had over the Eastern or the Eastern over the Western And Secondly There is no such wide difference as he alledgeth between the conditions of Communion required in the Church of England and those that were between the Eastern and Western Churches about the Celebration of Easter For if as he tells us the one was about a trivial inconsiderable business the other being about indifferent things only cannot certainly be thought very considerable But says he every Church hath a Power to Guide and Govern its own Members in all indifferent things pertaining to its Communion which if true yet is not every Member bound to believe all things to be indifferent which their Ecclesiastical Guides or Governours shall call so and if they require other conditions of Communion than their Members shall approve of or Judge lawfull 't will undoubtedly cause differences and divisions amongst them What Rites the Church of England tenders as conditions of Church-Fellowship to those within her Pale we meddle not with our Query being only Whether the requiring other conditions of Church-Fellowship and Communion then Christ or his Apostles did have not been the main inlet of all the Distractions Persecutions and Divisions in the Christian world which but for asking we are judg'd Criminal though the Reverend and Learned Dr. Stilling fleet sticks not to affirm That the main Inlet of all the Distractions Confusions and Divisions of the Christian world have been by adding other conditions of Church Communion then Christ hath done And hath this Answerer the confidence or impudence rather to suppose this Reverend Dr. herein chargeth the Church of England with all the Distractions and Divisions that now abound in this Nation or that he causelessly and falsely accuseth a whole Church and Kingdom as the Fountain of all the Distractions and Divisions that abound in it or will he not himself be found to be the false accuser he speaks of The Church of England being no more concern'd in this Assertion or Query then the Church of Scotland or the Church at Geneva or any other Church whatever unless this Answerer will say she requires other conditions of Church-Fellowship and Communion than Christ or his Apostles did which neither the Doctor nor the Gentleman have yet said But to conclude he tells us St. James acquaints us with another cause of Wars and Persecutions then the Imposition of a few Rites and Ceremonies in matters of Religion which are from mens Lusts which war in their Members But may not the Imposition of those Rites and Ceremonies proceed from those Lusts they first rebelling against the Law of their minds and then against the Law of their Maker And whether argues the greater Pride the imposing upon mens Judgements or the leaving unto every man that Judgement of discretion God hath given him and requires the exercise of in all the duties of Religion and will not as the Reverend and Pious Bishop Davenant hath told us hold those excused who with a blind zeal follow their Leaders The removing Old Land-marks with Innocent and usefull constitutions is but the old objection of the Papists against the Reformers and of them borrowed by this Answerer to help to fill up his Pamphlet And though he cannot as he tells us forbear mentioning one passage more it 〈◊〉 seems to be but to usher in his following Rime as a grave and gracious Author has it One verse for Sense and one for Rime Is sufficient for one time Yet are we more beholding to him for this than for most of his preceding Answers which have neither Rime nor Reason in them Query XXII Whether Jesus Christ who came to take away the Yoke and Burthen of Jewish Ceremonies appointed by God himself hath given Power and Authority unto any to Institute in their room such others as they shall think good Reply to the Answer to this Query NOthing is more evident in holy writ than that God will be worship't but in the way and by the means of his own appointment and that no Service is acceptable unto him but what is performed in obedience unto his commands it may not therefore be unreasonable or unseasonable to ask Whether Jesus Christ hath given Power or Authority unto any to Institute in the Worship and Service of God such Rites and Ceremonies as they shall think good And to this our Answerer tells us The words cited by him from Mr. Hooker would be a sufficient Answer which we deny not according to his way and method of Answering Queries otherwise they are far enough from it for though many things which God hath Ordained have been changed and that for the better they have been still changed by himself only or by Jesus Christ whom he hath sent And if seven Churches as he saith have declar'd That Ceremonies of humane Institution are Lawfull in the worship of God it does not follow that Christ hath given Power as he affirms to some Persons to Institute in the room of the Jewish Ceremonies such others as they shall think good And as little to the present Question is any thing in the words of the Ingenious Gentleman he commends to his Reader To all which I shall oppose as more pertinent to the matter in Question the words of the but now mentioned Reverend and Learned Dr. Stillingfleet who speaking of the Meekness Sweetness and Gentleness of our Blessed Saviour
it the visible Unity of Christian Communion in the external Administration of Gods Sacred Worship in a National Church only that is the main Principle of all Christian Amity and affection certainly if variety of Rites in a National Church cause divisions of Judgement and of affection variety of Rites in the Universal or Catholick Church will cause the same also so that it is a visible Unity of Christian Communion in the external Administration of Gods Sacred Worship throughout the Universal or Catholick Church that is the main principle of all Christian Amity and affection experience telling us what sad Divisions Feuds and Animosities have and do daily arise among Christians from the variety of Rites in the external Administration of Gods worship enjoyned by particular Churches of several Denominations even to the destruction of that external as well as internal Unity which is the great Essential of Christianity and which Christ so earnestly recommended to his Church So that if the Internal Unity of the Church as well as External Unity of Christian Communion in the publick Administration of Gods Sacred Worship be desirable as most certainly they are and ought to be They are no otherwise to be attained then by all Christian Churches Universally adhering to the Rule of the Gospel and enjoyning no other Rites or Ceremonies in the external Administration of the worship of God and requiring no other conditions of Church-Fellowship and Communion then that enjoyns and requires Nor hath our Answerer more reason to say That many Assemblies of Christians Independent one 〈◊〉 of another though living under the same civil Government do weaken and will at last destroy Christianity Than others That National and Provincial Churches rejecting at the Popes Supremacy destroy the Unity of the Church and endanger the very being of Christian Religion Nor yet That from such small beginnings and Independent Communions there would have been no more possibility to have spread and propagated Christianity in the world than an Army divided and scatter'd into Parties could be able Encounter with another that was Vnited and observ'd all the Orders of the chief commander since as the Apostle tells us God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the mighty and experience hath told us That from such small beginnings and Independent Communions Christianity hath been spread and propagated over the world But if as he intimates An Army divided and scatter'd into Parties is not able to Encounter another that is Vnited and observes all the Orders of the chief Commander How will those National and Provincial Reformed Churches which are but divided and scatter'd Parties of the Christian Army and Independent one 〈◊〉 of another be able to Encounter the Papacy which is United and observes all the Orders of their chief Commander So strangely does prejudice and Partiality blind men as that they see not how they argue against themselves unless they are of that Army whose Principles and Practices they embrace and follow while they would be thought to skirmish with it This Answerer may therefore know if he pleases That though the Church be compared to an Army it is not in being like Officer'd as having a Leiutenant or Vicar-General Major-Generals Colonels c. or such like subordination of Officers depending upon or centering in one and yet th◠is not without her Officers who though at the head but of single Companies observing all the Orders of their Chief Commander are and have been able to Encounter the United Power of Men and Devils making War against the Lamb and his followers But our Answerer having explain'd as he tells us One of the main vitals of Christianity viz. The Vnity of the Church advises his Reader farther to consider That in the days of Christs abiding upon Earth there could not possibly be any Law for the preservation of its Vnity for the reason he mentions and therefore Jesus Christ gave Power and Authority to his Apostles and their Successors to Institute such Ceremonies and Rituals in Religion as they in their own Prudence should judge most agreable to the manners and Customs of the Nations they should convert and which tended to promote true Piety and goodness in their hearts and lives But for this the Reader is desired likewise to consider we have but his bare word he not offering the least proof of any such Power committed by Jesus Christ to his Apostles and their Successors the Commission he gave unto his Apostles being but to teach the observation of such things as he had commanded them so far was he from leaving it to them and much less to the prudence of their Successors to Institute and appoint such Rituals in Religion as they should think good These things therefore are fondly and groundlessly asserted and no less inconsistent with what himself but now said than repugnant to the Gospel For if those Rites which were agreeable to one sort of People would not be so unto others and the Governours of the Church were to appoint as he says such Rituals in Religion as in their prudence they should judge most agreeable to the manners and Customs of those Nations they should convert what becomes of his main principle of all Christian Amity and Affection The visible Vnity of Communion in the external Administration of Gods Sacred Worship which he but now told us ought to be uniform and undevided 〈◊〉 it is so far from being impossible that in the days of Christs abode upon Earth there should be as he says any Law made for the preservation of the Churches Vnity that it is altogether impossible as hath been demonstrated that any but Jesus Christ or less then an omnipotent Power should be able to Enact any such Law Neither hath our Lord Christ Instituted any Rite or Ceremony in Religion but what will very well suit with the Manners and Customs of all Nations He would never else have commanded his Disciples to teach all Nations to observe all things whatsoever he commanded them Yet so fond is our Answerer of his fancies as to repeat them in telling us That when Christ made void the Law of Ceremonies in the Jewish Church he intended though he gives us no evidence of such his intention to inspire the minds of his Apostles and their Successors with so much soundness and integrity of wisdom and understanding that they should be able by their own Reasons to Enact such Laws and Orders as should preserve the external Vnity of the Church and render Religion so amiable as that it should not be quite naked and destitute of all external Ornament and Beauty In which he expresses but his own vain and carnal thoughts of Religion Christian Religion being certainly most amiable when most suitable to the simplicity of the Gospel the beauty of whose worship consists not in external Rites and Ceremonies in which even where they most exceed it comes far short of the Ceremonies and Ordinances under the Law and yet the
Apostle prefers the Gospel worship far above that for Glory Beauty and Comliness which shews that these things have no respect unto outward Rites and Ceremonies And though he tells us It is not in the least repugnant to the wisdom of Christ towards his Church to invest the Governours of it with Authority to Institute new Ceremonies in his worship c. Yet the contrary is evident in that it speaks him either wanting towards it in not appointing things necessary or not so wise as others to find out such things as conduce to its Edification and Beauty And in Commissioning his Disciples to teach only the observation of such things as he commanded them rejecting the honour given unto him by those whose worship of him is taught them by the precepts of men he sufficiently declares That no other Rites or Ceremonies but what are Divine of Institution are to be enjoyn'd or made necessary to be observ'd by any in the Worship and Service of God If by positive Laws made for the external Regiment of the Church the Bishop cited by him means Laws only for the ordering and disposing of things without the Church though about it we have nothing more to say against it than that it is not the present Question Nor do we argue from Christ's abrogating those Ceremonies that God himself had appointed that no others ought to be introduced into the Church We only ask Whether Jesus Christ who came to take away the Yoke of Jewish Ceremonies appointed by God himself hath given Power and Authority unto any to Institute in their room such others as they shall think good And are perswaded he hath not not because he abrogated those which were appointed by God himself but because no worship is acccptable unto God but what is of Faith for without Faith it is impossible to please God and Faith in all things respects the commands and Authority of God So that the Governours of the Church can have no Authority to Institute or Appoint any thing in the Worship and Service of God either as to matter or manner beyond the orderly observance of such circumstances as necessarily attend such Ordinances as Christ himself hath Instituted but by express command or Commission from God Let this Answerer therefore shew their Authority to Institute new Ceremonies in his Worship and he may be better thought of then otherwise I presume he will be by those who fear God and desire to keep his commandments Nor does it in the least reflect upon the wisdom and goodness of God as he says to give unto Civil Powers Commissions to make such Laws as they please for securing the Peace and civil Rights of their People and none unto the Guides of the Church to make Laws for the preservation of Religion c. But is rather an Argument of his great love and care of his Church not to leave her to the ordering and disposing of men which unavoidably as wofull experience manifests must fill her with Schisms and Divisions but to have himself given her a standing Rule or Law whereby she ought to be Universally Goâ—vern'd and which is every way sufficient would her Guides and Governours faithfully and diligently attend unto it for the preservation of Religion against the Deluges of Heresies and Schisms and to secure Christians in the Paths of Piety and Order of Vnity and Peace which as hath been shewn it is altogether impossible for any other Law or Lawgivers ever to effect Nor was it from the dulness and Indocibleness of the Jews as our Answerer would have it That God gave them Rules for their behaviour in the civil concerns of their lives and the smallest instances of his worship But for that he had chosen them above all the Nations of the Earth to be a peculiar People unto himself in whom he would be glorified therefore Establisht he a Testimony in Jacob and appointed a Law in Israel And that he gave them Rules in the smalest instances of his worship was that he would be worshipt in the way and by the means only of his own appointment But the appearing of Christ saith this Answerer Hath abolisht the darkness of mens minds c. though but now to serve another turn he told us Mens minds were dark and they were therefore blindly to resign up themselves to they knew not whom such is his dexterity in blowing hot and cold with the same breath and men are sometimes to be men and sometimes Bruits as he hath occasion to serve himself of them Yet is Life and Immortality brought to light through the Gospel and Gods Image in a great measure repair'd â—nd restor'd in the soul of man But of what man not of the Carnal or unregenerate but of him that is born again They are the Saints only and faithfull Brethren in Christ who are deliver'd from the Power of Darkness the God of this world still blinding the eyes of those that believe not And they are the Regenerate only who are endeud with the Spirit of Power and Wisdom of knowledge and a sound mind But we do not yet find that even they are empower'd to make Laws for Ceremonies and Rituals in Religion or that such Ceremonial Laws as by some have been made have much conduced to common benefit or conspir'd to the glory of God and mutual good of Christians But on the contrary have introduc'd a Theatrical Pompous Carnal worship among the generality of Christians instead of that spiritual worship which God requires and without which no other worship will ever be acceptable unto him And he that will look back as our Answerer advises To the first Ages of the Church wherein the Offices of Christian Religion were adorn'd with that comly simplicity modest magnificence and awfull Reverence c. He speaks of will not find any other Laws for Rites and Ceremonies in Religion than the Law of the Gospel or Canon of the Holy Scriptures But our Answerer comes now to his Argument à fortiori and tells us That if it were in the Power of the Primitive guides of the Church to enjoyn Christians the abrogated Ceremonies of the Jewish Law for the Propogation of the Christian Faith much more must it be in the Power of their Successors to Institute others and so many in their stead as may conduce to so high and generous an end But the abolisht Ceremonies of Moses were observ'd by Christians and that by â—he express warrant and command of the Apostles 〈◊〉 in their abstaining from blood from things â—rangled and from things offer'd to Idols But 〈◊〉 he not herein mistaken for these were not â—ommanded as Ceremonies but prohibited as â—candals to the new Converted Jews Nor do we find any Warrant or Command either express or implicit of the Apostles for the Observation of Easter Or that they ever enjoyn'd or commanded circumcision but we find them declaring they commanded it not And St. Paul tells the Galatians If they
be circumcised Christ shall profit them nothing So far were the Apostles from commanding the Observation of the abrogated Ceremonies of the Jewish Law which is indeed a contradiction interminis for if they had Apostoâ—ical warrant and command they were not abrogated but we must bear with small slips if we will not Create to our selves endless trouble But 't is at length acknowledg'd That Gods will is to be the Rule of his worship and our Answerer hopes to salve all in saying That it were the most sacrilegious Invasion of Gods Prerogative to make humane Inventions the essentials of his worship But for Rites and Ceremonies the Governours of the Church may it seems Institute such and so many as they shall think good And if so let him tell us why the Church of Rome hath not the same Authority as other Churches to Institute such Ceremonies as she also shall think good and how comes he to censure hers as vain and foolish ridiculous and superstitious while she exercises but the Authority he allows her Instituting no other Ceremonies then she judges conducive to so high and generous an end as the propogation of the Christian Faith and which render Religion amiable by its external Ornaments and Beauty But what may this Answerer mean by the essentialls of worship A dear friend of his tells us The essence of Religious worship consists in nothing else but a gratefull sense and temper of mind towards the Divine goodness and as for all that concerns external worship 't is no part of Religion it self and if this be his Judgement also he may tell us 'T is the most sacrilegious Invasion of Gods Prerogative to make humane Inventions the Essentials of his worship and yet retain a liberty of introducing all the vain and foolish ridiculous superstitious Ceremonies now in use in the Roman Church when ever he shall change his thoughts of them and judge them to render Religion amiable and beautifull But certainly nothing is more evident in Scripture than that the due observance of the outward Institutions in Religion come under the notion of the worship of God So did the Sacrifices of old and so do the present Sacraments of the Church which were and are parts of outward worship and I suppose of Religion too and whatever is made so necessary to be observ'd in the worship of God that without it the worship is not to be perform'd is thereby made an essential of worship for that which is so the matter of a thing that without it the thing cannot be is of the essence of that thing But he tells us All that is pleaded is but that the Church of England may be allowed the same priviledge which all Sects and Parties assume to themselves viz. To determine the circumstances of Religion which is so reasonable that it cannot either in Reason or Justice be denyed Then he tells us There is no Sect but the Authority of their Teachers prevails in those Instances and Rites where there is no word of God to warrant the things that are practis'd by them Instancing in the worship perform'd as he says by Independents asking what Scripture they have to prove their Covenant which the Members of their Churches swear to before they are admitted by their Pastors and Elders Though he finds no mention of any such Covenant sworn to in the declaration of the Faith and Order owned and Practis'd in their Churches wherein as well their Order as common Faith is declar'd Neither of which do they or did they ever that I have heard of impose upon any and yet are able I presume to give an Answer unto every man that asketh them a reason of the hope that is in them To them therefore I shall refer him for farther satisfaction in the particulars he mentions if he desires it And for the present shall only tell him There is some difference between a confession of Faith and imposing Articles of Faith Yea or Rites and Ceremonies And will he now say In verbo Sacerdotis or upon his Reputation That the Church of England in appointing of her Rites and Ceremonies does no more then appoint circumstances concerning the worship of God common to humane Actions which are to be order'd by the light of nature and Christian Prudence according to the general Rules of the word Or why does he thus impose upon his credulous and unwary Reader But he tells us If the Governours of the Church of England did command such and such things then Dissenters had some reason to separate from its Communion which is but a copy of his countenance he elsewhere telling us That the Governours of the Church have Power to Institute such Ceremonies as they shall think good and that it is the peoples duty to obey Yea he advises them to resign up themselves to the Fathers of the Church rather than attend to 〈◊〉 the Dictates of their own dark minds which takes away not only the liberty of separating but even of examining the commands of their Spiritual guides And having thus reduced them to an implicit Faith he may be bold to tell them There were as many or more Ceremonies made use of in the very Age of the Apostles and then Instituted by them than are now in the Church of England and instance in half a score not one of which were ever Instituted by the Apostles Yet after all his boldness he speaks but faintly in saying If he be mistaken in his conjecture about this matter yet 't is no way injurious to the present Power of the Church of England in appointing symbolical or significative Ceremonies in Gods worship for that the Primitive Christians under the Heathen Emperours were much like the Israelites in their Egyptian Bondage rather concern'd to maintain the life and being of Religion then to be curious about the Apparel and Ornament thereof And would to God there were no pretended Christians in these days more concern'd about the Apparel and Ornament as they term them of Religion then to maintain the life and being thereof And how unhandsomly does he reflect here on the Primitive Christians in saying When Kings and Emperours became Christian then they began to glorifie God with their bodies and to honour him with their substance and Estates c. As if till then they had been unmindful of the Apostles precept of glorifying God in their bodies and in their spirits or what thinks he of those who before that sold their Possessions and goods and parted them to all men as every man had need Did not they as much honour God with their substances and Estates as those who adorn Temples But such gross and carnal thoughts have some of the most High Who dwelleth not in Temples made with Hands as to think him still delighted and pleased with mens Erecting Dedicating and Adorning of Temples in which they generally place more of their Religion than in the performance of the most spiritual and
Christian duties which God requires of them Query XXIII Whether are they who separate or they who give the cause of separation the Schismaticks Reply to the Answer to this Query WE have here a full and satisfactory Answerâ—r In that it is acknowledg'd That not they who separate but they who give just cause of separation are the Schismaticks But then he tells us St. Paul hath as clearly and fully determin'd this Query as if it had been proposed in his days Though you will find him here as well as elsewhere to handle the word of God deceitfully For St. Paul in that place speaks only of the duty of Servants exhorting those who are under the Yoke to count their Masters though Infidels worthy of all honour and not to depise their believing Masters because they are Brethren but rather do them service because they are Faithful and beloved and these things he directs Timothy to Teach and Exhort and then sâ—bjoyns If any man teach otherwise c. He is proud c. Where observe how instead of Master he foists in Superiour a word of a more extensive signification for though every Master be a Superiour every Superiour is not a Master and yet we do not say that obedience may be withdrawn from Superiours of any kind Christianity laying the greatest obligation immaginable upon its Professors to be obedient to their Superiours But as the Authority of Superiours is not despotical or absolute so neither ought the obedience of Inferiours to be blind or Brutish both the one and the other being regulated by a Supream Power For where Superiours have no Right to command there lyes no obligation on Inferiours to obey So that whether Conformists in commanding or Non-conformists in not obeying are the Schismaticks depends on the formers having right and Authority to require what the latter judges sinful or unlawful to observe which being beyond the present Question we shall not meddle with But he tells us If the Church of England had forsaken the common Faith it had been no Schism to forsake the Church of England and if she did so and so then that command in the Revelation Come out of her my people c. had been applicable to our Dissenters Bâ—t this is still but pretended being against his principle of blind obedience and mens resigning up themselves to the Fathers of the Church without leaving them so much as a Power to Examine what is commanded for where that is there must likewise be allowed a dissent in all things they judge evil or unlawful And though he tells us A good Christian ought as much to dread the imposing upon his Judgement an Assent to known errors and upon his Practice the acting of known Sins as the suffering the very pains of Hell it self he does we doubt but equivocate alallowing none to be known errors or known sins but such as Superiours shall judge so for if he allow Inferiours to judge thereof and act accordingly there is no difference between us But having told us what the Church of England does not he now tells us what many of our Dissenters do And first he says They Question not only the Power of Bishop to Govern the Church but that of Kings to make Laws for the Security of their own Crown and Government as well as the common Christianity If such there are I am sure no sober or Rational man will justifie or excuse them in it That they make the people Judges of their own Pastors c. That they may have reason for how else can they beware of false Prophets and try the spirits as they are commanded or distinguish between the Ministers of Christ and the Ministers of Antichrist But no sober man sure will allow any to withdraw their obedience from those who are lawfully Ordain'd and ought to superintend over them That they forsake their old guides c. This is but the old Popish objection new vampt nor is such forsaking Criminal but where causeless And who are they that renounce in their Assemblies as he says the ancient Creeds which were in all Ages esteemed the Badges of Christianity And wherein lyes the Crime of not reading the Scriptures to the people without expounding them But sure they make it not indifferent to be of any Communion who are so great sufferers because they cannot be so And if as he says they gather Churches not only without but against all Aâ—thority Let him not be thereat troubled since every Plant which our Heavenly Father hath not Planted shall be rootâ—d up Which is due or undue ordination will hardly be determin'd till we have an affirmative Answer to the sixth Query But 't were happy for the Church of God if none who are not gifted and qualified for the work of the Ministry were empower'd to read Sermons in the Pulpit Prophane the Sacraments c. But who are they that as he says Evacuate one main Article of the Christian Creed Faith in one Catholick Church besides himself and the Papists All others believe their is one Catholick Church but do not believe in one Catholick Church we are taught to believe only in God not in the Church but he it seems hath resign'd up his Faith to the Fathers of the Church believing only as the Church believes No wonder therefore he should talk of a Yearly Monthly and Daily Faith which his Principles lead him to if he chance so oft to change his Fathers or they their Faith Who they are that go out of their Callings and Stations to Usurp the Office of Bishops as well as of the Inferiour Clergy will hardly be determin'd here Yet I shall tell him what a Reverend and Learned Prelate of the Church of England once answer'd to the like objection So long said he as they taught the same Doctrine which the Apostles did they had the same Power and Authority to Preach which they had biding them to keep their competent Jurisdictions Judicial Cognitions and legal Decisions to themselves For that as he truly told them The Son of God first founded and still gathereth his Church by the mouths of Preachers not by the Summons of consistories and he that is sent to Preach may not hold his Tongue and tarry till my Lord the Pope and his Miter'd Fathers can intend to meet and list to consent to the ruine as they think of their Dignities and Liberties But to return to our Answerer How do they as he says break the bonds of Vnity and Line of Apostolical Succession who adhere to the Universal and Uniform Law of the Gospel or do not they rather break both who make their own or other mens wills the Rule of the Churches and found their Ordination on uncertain tradition I know of no Dissenters that obtrude Oaths and Covenants as he says on their Proselites though it be no Crime for Christians to Covenant to serve God as God wil be serv'd Every man hath a Judgement of discretion Which is the
Rule of Practice as to himself and must direct him with whom to joyn and not to joyn in the performance of all Religious duties nor may he therein do ought against his Light But what means he in saying here They will submit to no Law nor admit of any Discipline but what is erected and Executed by themselves a thing never known for Criminals to make choice of their own Punishment For do they not submit to the Laws of the Land in all civil things and concerns and what Law of the Gospel submit they not to in the duties of Religion but to talk here of Criminals making choice of their own Punishment is very extravagant And lastly they will he says have no publick Acts pass among them without the free consent of all as satisfied in Conscience that what is decreed is Gods will And is it for this he elsewhere so boldly avers There is no Congregated Independent Communion in England but the respective Pastor of it assumes to himself more Power and Authority to Govern and Conduct the sworn Members of it in the ways and duties of Religion then the greatest Prelate in our Church does in his Province or Diocess or is this one of the principles of Independent Tyranny But some are said to have need of good memories and our Answerer seems to be of them Yet he would be thought to have reason for what he here says telling us The thing is impossible in nature for if all are satisfied they are not men there being among all men difference in Judgement How unreasonable then is it to require of any such an Assent or Consent as must render them either Beasts or not men But so it seems it is and must be for he tells us In the enacting of all Laws the lesser part is determin'd by the greater which is true in all civil things and concerns which are in a man's choice and at his own disposal and it is for the publick good and benefit it should be so But 't is otherwise in matters of duty and obedience unto God in which every man ought to be satisfied that what is Decreed is the will of God for that none may follow a multitude to do evil nor in the neglect or omission of the least known duty Whether the Church of Eâ—gland or Dissenters are the Schismaticks I shall nowise take upon me to Determine but leave it as he doth to the Rational Reader to judge and only take leave to say That what his eminent Prelate says proves not Dissenters to be Schismaticks If there be any who as he says account the King and Parliament or Clergy of England Hereticks and Schismaticks for maintaing the Essentials of Christianity and doing what they can to hinder and diswade men from offering the most insufferable affronts to Gods Being and Majesty They ought not certainly to be tolerated much less countenanced in a Christian Commonwealth Query XXIV Whether they who in the exercise of Church Discipline never cease calling on the civil Magistrate to assist them with his Secular Force do not therein give an evident sign and token that all true Ministerial and Spiritual Power is dead in them Reply to the Answer to this Query THâ— Question here is not whether these or those give the greater evidence that all true Ministerial and Spiritual Power is dead in them But whether such practices in any be not an evident sign and token of it And had all Orthodox Bishops in all Ages of the Church relied upon the Spiritual means by 〈◊〉 appointed in the Gospel for the suppressing and â—ooting out of Heresies and 〈◊〉 withâ—ut applying themselves to the 〈…〉 for his assistance therein Christian◠〈…〉 had not suffer'd as it afterward◠〈…〉 Hâ—reticks using the same means for 〈…〉 faith And yet we say not But 〈…〉 and ought to call upon the 〈…〉 do his duty in the Protection 〈…〉 by supporting and 〈…〉 in the due exercises thereof 〈…〉 of wâ—â—ked and unreason◠〈…〉 not faith Neither do we 〈…〉 or extinction of the function of Bishops if they use all due and proper means to accomplish and bring about lawfull and charitable ends nor that any end can be more generous and Christian than to secure People in the performance of their duty to God to man and to themselves But we do say that Secular Force and Compulsion are not the proper and due means to effect all these And whatever sense some may have of Moral Honesty and Justice or of Piety and Religion the Civil Magistrate ought not certainly to permit them to express or declare their scorn or contempt of either I will not say with this Answerer That 't is since men have assumed so great a liberty in Religion as not well understanding what he thereby means but agree with him There is less regard had to those externall Rules of right and wrong Vertue and Vice by some persons who make high pretences to Christianity than hath been observ'd in many Pagan Nations but who those Persons are their Professions and Practices will best declare But he tells us 'T is Presumption and not Faith for the Clergy of England as things are now amongst us to expect Gods miraculous concurrence with them in the management and exercise of their Ministerial Office when there are ordinary means at hand c. What may this Answerer mean here by Gods miraculous concurrence with them His continual presence with the assistance of his holy Spirit he hath promised unto them who observe his commands unto the worlds end as the ordinary means to render their Ministry effectual for the Conversion of sinners and the calling of those who are yet Aliens and Strangers to the Covenant of Grace And our Blessed Saviour when he ascended up on High gave Gifts unto men for the perfecting of the Saints for the work of the Ministry and for the edifying of the Body of Christ. But if this Answerer who is of the Clergy be conscious that things are now so amongst them that the presence of God and assistance of his holy Spirit are to be lookt upon as miraculous concurrences with them in the management and exercise of their Ministeririal Office he is to be excused for having recourse unto other means to render his labours so considerable as to make him see some fruits of the Travel of his Soul though possibly it may prove but bitter fruit in the end The Gentleman I can assure him never thought as he intimates That the Peoples forsaking of any Assemblies was a certain Prognostick that the Ministerial Power was quite extinguisht in all that were so forsaken as knowing there are and may be defects and faults on all sides But this the Gentleman thinks That where-ever any People manifest a desire and thirst after knowledge in the things and ways of God as God be thanked very many within these Nations at this dâ—y do and after trial and experience of the Ministerial Power of any do yet
leave and forsake them 't is no very good sign or token of their Ministerial Gifts and Abilities But it is a presumptuous and too bold comparison he here makes between the Success of Christs Ministry while he exercised it in his own Person upon Earth and that of the Clergy of England For though taking on him the form of a Servant he was made in the likeness of men yet couâ—d he have Converted Millions of sinners as well as have commanded Legions of Angels if it had so pleased him The Cases of Elijah and of Athanasius he instances in are not at all to the present purpose for we do not say that Peoples leaving or forsaking their Pastors is an Argument of their having lost all spiritual Power and Authority But Pastors leaving or forsaking the Spiritual means by Christ appointed for the Rule and Government of his Church and applying to and using of other means than he appointed and commanded them to the subversion and ruine of his Discipline is an Argument of it And here I cannot but take notice of the great Pique our Answerer hath against liberty in Religion in that he would have the Prophets apprehension That the whole Israel of God had forsaken his Covenant to proceed from the general indulgence granted by Ahab to all kinds of Religion as well as Impieties when though there may be reasâ—n enough to believe he indulg'd all kind of Impieties in that it is said He did more to provoke the Lord God of Israel to anger then all the Kings of Israel that were before him there is not the least evidence of his indulging all Kinds of Religions in that though there were 7000 who had not bowed the knee to Ball the Prophet knew not of one true worshipper besides himself which is no great Argument of their being indulged among the all kind of Religions he talks of But to conclude whoever as he says shall seriously consider the depraved Nature of Man how much more prone it is to embrace Vice than Vertue Error than Truth and the Novel rather than the good old way of Religion will not be much startled or wonder that the greatest part of mankind should forsake the Truth and true Religion which have Persecution and outward sufferings usually accompanying them to embrace those Religions which not only indulge them in their Lusts but have the greatest worldly Interests and advantages attending them Query XXV Whether are not they Strangers to the Power and efficacy of the Divine Spirit or distrustfull of Gods Providence to be always with his Church who think Christianity which both began and spread it self over the world for several hundreds of years under Heathen and Persecuting Emperours cannot stand or continue supported by the same Divine Presence and Protection to the Worlds end without the Aid and Assistance of the Civil Magistrate Reply to the Answer to this Query WE do not say nor did we ever think the first Reformers of Religion in this or any other Nation were Strangers to the Power and Efficacy of the Divine Spirit or distrustful of Gods Promise to be always with his Church Because the whole Reformation was not without the Aid and Assistance of civil Magistrates But bless God rather for their Cooperating in so good a work And yet we shall not scruple to say They had been strangers to the Power and Efficacy of the Divine Spirit and its operations on the Souls of men had they believed the Reformation could not have been effected without them And to ask what Archbishop Cranmer Hooper Ridly c. could have done to restore Religion to its Purity and Truth had they not been seconded and Assisted by the civil Magistrate would have better become a Turkish Mufti then a Gospel Minister Does he think the Power and Efficacy of Gods Spirit in the mouths of his Preachers not sufficient to convert the most obstinate and to bring into Captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ How then did not only Peter and Paul with the rest of the Apostles but the Primitive Christians for several Ages after them propagate Christianity and the Truths of the Gospel not only without the assistance but even against the greatest opposition of civil Magistrates And what can be more to the disparagement of the then Englishâ— Clergy and derogatory to the Spirit of God then to say as he does they might as well have attempted to have pull'd the Sun out of its Orb as ever to have Reformed Religion by the Aid and Assistance of the Holy Spirit without the Aid and Assistance of the civil Magistrate Does he think things were then amongst them as he would have them thought to be amongst us That the Presence of God and Assistance of his Holy Spirit were to be look't upon as miraculous concurrences with the Clergy in the management and Exercise of their Ministerial Office I trust they are not and that he judges both of the one and of the other but by himself But so far I agree with him That as Kingdoms and States so Religion and the Church are to be secured and npheld by the very same means and methods by which they were established And so the Church of England as founded in Prelacy by the Kings and Nobles of England as hath been shown must be secured and upheld by the same means and methods or it will not long so continue but as Christian wherein it was founded by the mouths of Preachers with the Aid and Assistance of the Holy Spirit it will I trust be so secured and upheld to the worlds end Yet that God will withal vouchsafe her so great a blessing That Kings and Queens may ever be her Nursing Fathers and Nursing Mothers to protect and defend her from the rage and violence of wicked and unreasonable men since all men have not Faith is my hearty desire But our Clergy man sensible it seems how things are now amongst them is distrustful of Gods continuing his Church with us and therefore would have the Gentleman consider in what Scripture he hath promis'd that either Christianity in general or Protestantism in particular should for ever continue the Establisht Religion of this Kingdom We know indeed of no particular promise concerning the Establisht Religion of this Kingdom but this we know That where two or three are gathered together in Christs name he hath promised to be in the midst of them and that he told his Disciples while they taught the observation of all things which he commanded them he would be with them to the worlds end So that if Christianity continue not with us it is by oâ—r own default in forsaking Christ and disobeying his commands He is pleased to acknowledge here what could not well be denied That Christianity spread it self over the world under Heathen and Persecuting Emperours only by the Power of the Divine Presence and Protection without the Aid of the civil Magistrate But looks upon it as miraculous
and not to be depended on and would not because some have been fed from Heaven without the help of ordinary and common sustenance that others therefore should refuse their daily bread No certainly no wise or sober man will ever do that but rather thankfully accept of the Magistrates favour and assistance if he will have that to be the Churches daily bread though I should have thought the Divine presence and Influences of the Holy Spirit might rather have been so esteemed and to substitute in the place thereof the Magistrates Coercive and Compulsive Power savours more of Mahumetism than of Christianity So little reverence hath he for our Blessed Saviour as to tell us with a seeming contempt of him That true Religion flourisht before ever he came in the flesh though he acknowledges it was by the Divine Protection without the Aid of the civil Magistrate But so soon as the Israelites were settl'd in the Land of Promise The true Religion he says no longer thriv'd and prosper'd among them then it was encouraged and protected against all false and Forraign Religions by the civil Magistrate God having then as he would have us to believe withdrawn his Divine and Spiritual Assistances from it committing the sole care and concerns thereof to the civil Magistrate What then became of Religion when those Magistrates neglected their duty both towards it and towards God was there then no true Religion in Israel or does he think it did not then thrive or prosper in the hearts of any which is the proper Seat of Religion The Apostle tells us Godliness is great gain but gain with some is the only godliness and they think Religion never thrives or prospers but in the outward Prosperity of its Professors though the contrary be evident and so David tells us Before I was afflicted saith he I went astray but now have I kept thy word and again It is good for me that I have been afflicted that I might learn thy Statutes Yet will it not be denyed but that the example and countenance of Superiours hath a great influence on the behaviour and conversation of Inferiours according to the old saying Regis ad exemplum totus componitur orbis yet Religion does not stand and fall with them for even in Ahabâ— Reign there were 7000 who bowed not the knee to Baal who yet were neither Schismaticks nor to be censur'd as disobedient to Superiours because they were not of the then establisht national Religion But to conclude our Answerer tells us in plain terms Although Christianity were planted by miracles i.e. By the Power of the Divine Presence and its Protection only without the aid of the civil Magistrate yet its preservation can be effected by no other means than Laws forgetting what he but now told us That as Kingdoms and States so Religion and the Church are to be secured and upheld by the very same means and methods by which they were aâ—quired But Mahumâ—â—atism prevailing hath it seems alter'd his mind and now he judges the Sword of the Spirit unable to preserve Christianity without the aid of the Civil Sword and that Christs promised Presence with his Church to the worlds end together with the Gifts he gave unto men for the perfecting of the Saints for the work of the Ministry and for the edifying of his body are not of themselves sufficient for the preservation of Christianity Yea he sticks not to tell us That these have slept for these fifteen hundred years judging it seems others as things are now amongst us such as himself and consequently that Christ continu'd not his Gifts unto men for the ends before-mention'd nor yet his Presence for the preservation of his Church above one hundred and fifty years so leaving her for an hundred and odd years without either Civil or Spiritual means for her Preservation it being 300 years after Christ before she had the Aid or Protection of the Civil Magistrate such an excellent Advocate for Christ and his Church hath this Learned and Judicious Answerer approv'd himself Query XXVI Whether to Persecute upon the account of Religion be not an Indication of a Cainish Ishmalitish and Wolfish Nature and a certain sign that such are none of Christs Sheep Reply to the Answer to this Query THis Answerer is sure the first that ever quarrel'd at the severities of any expressions against such as persecuted on the accouut of Religion there being certainly no viler miscreants on the Earth than they who molest or trouble any for rendring only unto God the Homage due from the Creature to the Creator And though he knows of none of the Socinian writers that press as he says this Argument with that bitterness as is expressed in the Query Yet he may soon find some among the Orthodox who have prest it in the same words and from whom indeed the Query was but borrowed The Reverend Learned and Pious Dr. Henry More of Cambridge having declared Liberty of Religion to be the common and Natural right of alâ— Nations and Persons tells us how Grotious gives several instances thereof in his De jure belli Pacis where he cites one of the Canons of the Council of Toledo Praecipit Sancta Synodus c. The Holy Synod Decrees that none hereafter shall by Force he compelled to the Faith for God hath mercy on whom he will have mercy and whom he will be hardneth Also Tertullian lex nova non se vindicat ultore gladio The Gospel supports not it self by the punishing Sword He Cites also the constitutions of Clemens Athanasius and Chrysostom to the same purpose who expressly exclude Force and Compulsion in bringing over to Christianity And certainly they who are brought over to it ought not therefore to be treated with less of Reason and Moderation That also saith our Reverend and Learned Doctor is remarkable which Bishop Jewel notes out of Chrysostom in the 19th Homily on St. Matthew Nunquid ovis lupum persequitur aliquando c. Does the Sheep ever persecute the Wolf no but the Wolf the Sheep so Cain persecuted Abel not Abel Cain so Ishmael persecuted Isaac not Isaac Ishmael so the Jews persecuted Christ not Christ the Jews Hereticks persecute Christians not Christians Hereticks by their fruits therefore ye shall know them whereby he plainly implies that Persecution for Conscience sake is A very Vnchristian or Antichrstian Symptom And smartly again in the same Homily Quem vides in sangnine persecutionis gaudeâ—â—tem lupus est He that is a Persecutor is no Sheep of Christs but a Wolf And lastly for it were an infinite business saith he to prosecute this common place that is a shrewd intimation of the Apostle be that was after the flesh persecuted him that was after the Spirit so great an Antipathy is there between the carnal and truly Regenerate Christian which should make any man afraid to feel any persecuting motions arise in his breast as being Indications of a Cainish Ishmaelitish
and Wolvish Nature and a certain sign that such are none of Christs Sheep These are the bitter expressions which our sweet-natur'd and tender-hearted Answerer hath not met with among his Socinian acquaintance and which his meek and gentle Spirit cannot bear against his Brethren But the Reverend and Pious Dr. More farther tells us That the cruel and bloody Persecution of the true and living Members of the Kingdom of Christ for their faithful adhering to the plain and undoubted commands of their Heavenly Soveraign who is stiled King of Kings and Lord of Lords is certainly the most signal and capital Antichristianism that any Policy can be corrupted with and the most grossly and visibly opposite both to the nature of Christianity which beareth all things and endureth all things which will not be over severe to the wicked much less cruel to the good And also to the description of Christs Government who is said to redeem the Souls of the needy from deceit and violence and that their blood is precious in his sight he shall feed his Flock like a Shepherd he shall gather his Lambs with his Arms and carry them in his bosom This is the genuine Spirit of the true Christian Pastors whether of higher or lower degree to be thus tenderly affected towards their Sheep But such as thwack and beat them and violently drive them instead of going before them in a way of Christian example these are not Shepherds but Butchers and will easily drive them to the Shambles and see their throats cut without remorse This being the genuine Spirit as he truly says of the true Christian Pastors to be thus tenderly affected towards their Sheep what shall we judge of those who not only thwack and beat and violently drive them but are so tenderly affected towards their Persecutors they cannot bear their being hardly spoken of And how impertinent are we here told while inquiring only after the nature of those who persecute upon the accouut of Religion of the enacting Laws to punish those that violate and deflowr Religion as if to persecute for Religion and punish the Violaters of Religion were the same thing We diswade not as he insinuates inflicting punishments upon sensual and unrighteous Persons such as violate the Laws of either Table and are far from thinking Christian Justice and Righteousness inconsistent with Clemency and Lenity of Spirit Yet is it neither just nor righteous to Execute before Judgement And as our Blessed Saviour is stiled the Shepherd of Souls and as he says That Title imports that he would have not only his Lambs and Sheep fed but grievous Wolves watch and their mouths stopt too when they devour the flock and teach things which they ought not for filthy Lucre ' s sake It becomes a duty to stop his mouth who endeavours what he can that Christs flock should be devoured teaching notorious untruths and things which he ought not for filthy Lucer's sake Nor will it I doubt advantage him That as Christ is a meek Saviour to returning sinners so he is a terrible Judge to Apostates and evil doers while he continues a Persecutor since against such as himself hath told us His Arrows are ordain'd And though as he says he begins to Execute vengeance in this world by raising up men of undaunted Spirits who make Righteousness the girdle of their Loins and Judgement their Robe and Diadem to succour his Church support his Worship and punish his Enemies yet such will never persecute for Religion nor think those to give ill example unto others or to become Schismatical and disorderly in their Stations who serve God according to the rule and order of the Gospel nor judge any evil Doers for rendring unto him the Homage due from the Creature to the Creator seeing by this no occasion is given to the Enemy to reproach and blaspheme the good ways of God whatever occasion some Cainish or Ishmalitish spirits may thence take so to do But for such as have erred and strayed from the flock of Christ or neglect the Christian duties he requires of them let the Magistrate in Gods name and by the ways and means of his appointment reduce or otherwise punish them no good Christian will certainly ever be displeased thereat But says our Answerer 'T is no indication of any such nature as the Query mentions to punish evil Doers It is not indeed nor does the Query say it is but to persecute on the account of Religion as Cain persecuted Abel Ishmael Isaac c. and as their followers at this day persecute such as are more righteous than themselves is an Indication of such a nature as the Query mentions And now if Magistrates will not do as he would have them He declares them wickedly unjust and all those terrible Epithetes mentioned in the Query to be ascribed to them what then is it he would have them to do To break the Jaw-bone of the wicked and pluck the spoil out of their teeth So would every honest and good man To repay men according to their deeds fury to his Adversaries and recompence to his Enemies and who desires not the same to imploy their Powr for his honour from whom it descends nothing sure is more just Not to permit the Christian Faith to be torn in pieces by a thousand Sects and Factions and Wolves to prey upon Christs flock This above all is indeed their duty and 't were to be wished they would carefully observe it and not suffer much less assist any to impose their thoughts or fancies in the Agenda and Credenda of the Gospel upon others but permit the Scriptures to be the Sole Rule of all mens Faith and Obedience in all Gospel Duties and Administrations Nothing being more evident than that particular Churches or Persons assuming to themselves a Power to Decree Articles of Faith and impose them upon others is that which hath torn the Christian Faith in pieces and divided the Church into Sects and Factions and which gives opportunity unto Wolves to prey upon Christ's flock and to the great Enemy of mankind and his wicked Instruments to sport themselves in her ruine corrupting the worship of God with their additions and bringing scorn and contempt upon all the Offices of Christianity and the whole Ministry thereof Let all men saith the Learned and Judicious Mr. Chillingworth Believe the Scripture and that only and endeavour to believe it in the true sense and require no more of others and they shall find this not only a better but the only means to suppress Heresies and restore Vnity For he that believes the Scripture sincerely and endeavours to believe it in the true sense cannot possibly be an Heretick And if no more than this were required of any man to make him capable of the Churches Communion then all men so qualified though they were different in opinion yet notwithstanding any such difference must be of necessity one in Communion And if as he
this Answerer That the not punishing of these is prejudicial both to Church and State the one being thereby over-run with Factions and Seditions and the other as wofull experience tells us with Schisms Heresies and Contentions But our Answerer grows pleasant and plays with his Reader in telling him Dissenters are persecuted to what the Primitive Christians were persecuted from viz. Their Churches or Publick place of Divine worship for Dissenters are not certainly persecuted to their Churches though some may account it a persecution to be compelled unto his There hath been and may be great difference in the Causes as well as Degrees of Persecution but whoever suffers in any kind for his faithful adhering unto the plain and undoubted Commands of his Heavenly Soveraign the Authorâ— thereof will not be excus'd because others have been more barbarous and cruel than they And yet that even these are not as bad as the worst may be ascribed rather to the good hand and providence of God and moderation of those in Authority restraining them than to their good wills or desires The instance he gives us of a Father's correcting his child and the childs crying out Mâ—ther is very impertinent here Parents may correct their children and Princes their Subjects but as the cause makes the Martyr so 't is that must denominate it either persecution or punishment 'T is Christ alone knows who are his yet thus much we shall presume to say That they who persecute him in his Members will not speed better at the great day of account than they whom himself hath told us shall be then rejected but for not visiting and relieving his poor Members when in want in sickness or in any other adversity Query XXVIII Whether since offences will come it be not every ones concern to be more than ordinary careful he involves not himself in that dreadful woe pronounced against those by whom they come Matt. 18. 7. Reply to the Answer to this Query QUoting the Text might have satisfied this Answerer That by offences here no more is understood then what our Blessed Saviour intended when he pronounc't that dreadful wo against those by whom they come and whether they be the persecutions which discourage Christians from owning of his name attending upon his Ordinances adhering unto his Truth or ought else that administers occasion to another to transgress any Law of God neglect his duty or obstruct him in a course of Piety and good works it certainly concerns every one to be more than ordinarily careful he involves not himself in that dreadfull wo pronounced against those by whom they come The Query indeed cautions all to beware splitting on so dangerous a Rock but chargeth none with running or driving others upon it Evil therefore be to him that evil thinks Mr. Baxter as quoted by him says very well That a Minister should not more fear offending his particular flock than offending the Catholick Church but this will neither justifie nor excuse his offending of either And notwithstanding this Answerer's hope he will not find a National Church of humane Institution to have that Authority over its Members even when it shall be determin'd who are so as a private Minister hath over the flock over which the Holy Ghost hath made him Overseer Whether Dissenters take no offence as he says but what they bring upon themselves by their own perverted Judgements c. Let them see too who are therein concern'd and must one day answer for it There is no doubt but it may and often does so happen That one man is the occasion of another mans sin and yet the guilt of him who sins not to be changed upon him whose action occasion'd it which yet hinders not but that many may likewise occasion others to sin for which they must be accountable And yet none sure doubts but that as he says in the enacting of Laws Authority is not so much to consider what will please the humours as advance the benefit of those under its Charge and Protection Nor can we have so hard thoughts of any in Authority as to imagine they should make Laws thwart or contradict those that are Divine Nor yet who takes or gives offences for as every one must give an account of himself to God so let every one look to himself and his own duty And as he tells us the day is coming when all mens Disguises and Vizards shall be pull'd off and their most retired thoughts and actions laid open and manifest to men and Angels 〈◊〉 't were well if all men had a serious and due sense thereof and so liv'd and behav'd themselves in the whole course of their lives as to convince the world they spoke as they thought and believ'd as they profest But who are they this Libellous Answerer accuses of charging the Church of England with offences and denying the Magistrates Power and Supremacy in matters of Religion as by Law declared These Queries being no ways guilty thereof for as they respected so they were directed only to such as himself who against the Doctrine of the Church of England and Principles of the Reformation require an Implicit Faith and worse than blind obedience from the People And `t is beyond his Power and malice to find any thing in them inconsistent with their receiving the Holy Eucharist according to Law who scruple not the lawfulness thereof And who are they this Libeller would have to Question not only the Kings Coercive Authority but the whole Ministry and being of the Church of England and accuse her Government of more Tiranny and Persecution then ever yet was objected against her by the most violent of her Romish Adversaries Not those sure who are against secular Force and Compulsion in Religion which is the utmost import of these Queries for then the charge will reach all those Reverend and Learned Divines of the Church of England before mention'd with most others of Name and Fame in the Christian World who have decry'd the same as Unscriptural and Inconsistent with the Precepts of the Gospel and Principles of Christianity and will indeed argue him to be the Person of that evil and depraved temper of spirit he speaks of Yet I agree with him That men Eminent in their Country and such as have a reputation for Knowledge and Wisdom might do more good by their examples than in this Age the Church can do with its censures or Church-men with their instructions But let him be assured none shall ever have a Reputation for Wisdom and Knowledge who give not unto God the things that are Gods as unto Caesar things that are Caesars Fear to whom Fear aud Honour to whom Honour is due And let him not deceive himself in thinking Men of Wisdom and Knowledge separate from the Church because they separate from some Churchmen of vicious and depraved spirits or to have Enmity against that because they will have no Fellowship or Communion with these it not being