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A42786 Remarks on remarks, or, The Rector of Bury's sermon vindicated his charge exhibited against the dissenters for endeavouring to corrupt the word of God justified and farther confirmed : also the absurdities and notorious falsities of Mr. Owen and other pretended ministers of the Gospel are detected and expos'd / by Thomas Gipps, Rector of Bury. Gipps, Thomas, d. 1709. 1698 (1698) Wing G780; ESTC R34916 57,995 68

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Sophister represents the Case but for the Peoples appointing their own Ministers of Tables Therefore he read the Place Ye the People 5. That 't is no unusual thing for the Error of one Man or a few to be imputed to the rest of that Party Thus to make use of his own instance Haman's Offence was reveng'd upon many Thousands of the Persons and Saul's upon Seven of his Children And thus the Note-maker fell foul upon the whole Body of the Episcopal Church for a supposed fault of my L. Bishop of Salisbury Ay but the Cameronian was an Ignorant Man happily I had thought there were no Ignoramus's among the Presbyterians If a Man will believe 'em hereabouts all their Geese are Swans Every little Mushroom as soon as he first prickt up his Ears in the Pulpit is immediately cry'd up as an Angel sent from Heaven tho' he sprung out of the Earth as it were but a few days before CHAP. V. Being a Reply to Mr. Owen's Third Chapter THE Minister goes on and objects That no Protestant Dissenters have ever urg'd the corrupt Reading in favour of a Popular Government of the Church in their Writings 'T is a bold Touch this to be so positive in a Negative Has he read all their Writings I 'll give him an Example of one who tho' he urg'd it not in Writing or in Print yet alledg'd it in a Disputation One Mr. Jolly some while ago since dead at Duckenfeild Hall produc'd that Text in the 6th Act as alter'd into Ye against the Reverend Mr. Ellison Rector of Ashton-under line I have Permission from the said Mr. Ellison to assure the World of this under his Name and Testimony and which he will be ready to verifie any other way that shall be reasonably requir'd of him Take another of the like kind There is a Gentleman now living at Bolton ready upon demand to attest the Truth of what I here relate who heard some Dissenters in a Dispute about Religion cite Acts 6. as the Cameronian did But being told 't was false Printed they reply'd that they Reading it so in several and especially the Scotch Bibles knew not but it was as true as the other These Dissenters were not 't is confest Ministers but doubtless had been furnish'd with this Argument grounded on this false Reading by some of their Leaders who ought to have dealt with 'em more sincerely 'T is remarkable here how they more especially appeal'd to the Scotch Bibles I believe Mr. Owen will be wiser than to give us another Catalogue of the corrupted Editions in Scotland tho' he has in part promis'd it I shall be beholden to him if he 'l be pleas'd to answer my Expectation herein since I have not my self interest enough among 'em to procure an Accompt I hope by this time Mr. O. is in some reasonable Measure satisfy'd The Remarker further argues that Had the Corruption been design'd in favour of the Dissenters it would have been promoted when they were uppermost To fortifie this Objection he has taken pains to examin the Editions of most years from 1640 to 1696 and observes that most of the faulty Editions happen'd in the Reign of King Charles the Second when the Bishops had the Management of the Press that the faulty Editions amount to Thirty-eight according to his Collection almost equal in number to the other which were not corrupted Let us now see what is to be said unto all this 1. I cannot tell whether the Dissenters would have promoted the Corruption when they were uppermost I am sure there was no need of doing it after they had gain'd their Point by another Method that of the Sword By the way we never heard of altering Religion in England by Dragoons till the Presbyterians first oblig'd this Kingdom with that new Invention in the late Civil War 2. Tho' far the greater number of faulty Editions were set forth in King Charles the Second's days when the Dissenters were undermost yet they may be suppos'd to have promoted the Corruption even then I never yet could learn but they found Means at all times to influence the Press in spight of Authority 3. The Bishops had not in King Charles the Second's Reign the Management of the Press That had been a long while in the hands of Men having receiv'd it by Patent to them and to their Assigns who claim it as their Freehold and Inheritance nor can they easily be controul'd in their Business The Lawyers in Westminster Hall will tell you as much The Bishops have nothing to do no Authority to Print License Order Over-look or to Correct the Impressions of the Bible but the King's Printers have the sole Power lodg'd in them and for the Errors committed in Printing are answerable to the King or to the Law only 'T was needful to set the ordinary Reader streight in this matter because the Remarker has so often harpt upon it and entertain'd us with a great deal of stuff which having no Foundation of Truth betrays his Ignorance or Malice against his Superiors unto whom he owes more Deference 4. 'T is acknowledg'd by Mr. Owen that there have been ●8 Editions faulty in this Place besides those in Scotland and at Oxford of late and besides Mr. Clark's and Mr. Baxter's false Prints and the same repeated in their Form of Church Government Who can believe an Erratum to have been thus often repeated by Chance Let the Minister give us an instance of any other mistake in Printing whereupon depends any Controversie in Religion so frequently committed in different Volumes in so many Presses by so many Printers and in so many distant Places at Cambridge Oxford London and Edinburgh and it shall suffice Till then I desire to be excus'd if I continue to believe and assert the Text to have suffer'd by design Here I must acknowledge my self beholden to the Remarker who by the great Pains he has taken in hunting after the corrupted Editions has strengthen'd my Argument and left no Place for his defence of the Dissenters To justifie my self yet further against the Censures of some Men who have believ'd that the Charge which I exhibited against the Dissenters in my Sermon was not sufficiently made out by such Proof or Circumstances as might have been expected in a thing of this nature I shall here present the Reader with a Parallel Case which I find in A B. Laud's Speech in the Star Chamber It begins p. 64. The Puritans had in a Label accus'd the Prelates That to justifie their Proceedings they the Bishops had forg'd a new Article of Religion brought from Rome giving them full Power to alter the Doctrine and Discipline of our Church at a Blow and had foisted it into the Beginning of the 20th Article Anno 1628. The Clause complain'd of is The Church the Libeller expounded it the Bishops has Power to decree Rites and Ceremonies and Authority in Controversies the Libeller said in Matters of Faith This