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B23579 A Reply of two of the brethren to A. S. wherein you have observations on his considerations, annotations, &c. upon the apologeticall narration : with a plea for libertie of conscience for the apologists church way, against the cavils of the said A. S., formerly called M. S. to A. S. : humbly submitted to the judgements of all rationall and moderate men in the world : with a short survey of W. R. his Grave confutation of the separation, and some modest and innocent touches on the letter from Zeland and Mr. Parker's from New-England. Goodwin, John, 1594?-1665.; Steuart, Adam. Some observations and annotations upon the Apologetical narration. Selections.; Parker, Thomas, 1595-1677. 1644 (1644) Wing G1198 108,381 124

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in_o matter_n of_o religion_n and_o put_v on_o he_o in_o stead_n thereof_o the_o purple_a robe_n of_o a_o executive_a coercitive_a and_o external_a power_n only_o pag._n 6._o 1._o by_o such_o a_o umpirage_n and_o decision_n as_o this_o between_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n and_o himself_o with_o his_o fellow_n presbyter_n have_v he_o not_o make_v the_o one_o judex_n and_o the_o other_o carnifex_fw-la the_o one_o must_v give_v the_o sentence_n the_o other_o must_v do_v the_o execution_n the_o civil_a magistrate_n be_v much_o behold_v to_o the_o presbyter_n for_o give_v of_o he_o a_o consecrate_a sword_n to_o fight_v the_o presbyterian_a battle_n and_o for_o persuade_v he_o to_o pull_v out_o his_o own_o eye_n upon_o this_o presumption_n that_o he_o shall_v see_v better_o with_o he_o i_o perceive_v presbytery_n be_v policy_n in_o the_o high_a and_o seek_v to_o put_v the_o magistrate_n between_o itself_o and_o the_o envy_n and_o discontent_n of_o the_o people_n and_o yet_o nevertheless_o 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adequate_a end_n thereof_o 2._o i_o will_v glad_o be_v inform_v whether_o a._n s._n think_v it_o reasonable_a sect._n 3_o meet_v or_o christian_a that_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n shall_v immediate_o hand_n over_o head_n without_o distinction_n without_o search_v for_o his_o own_o satisfaction_n into_o the_o equitablenesse_n and_o lawfulness_n of_o what_o a_o presbytery_n or_o synod_n shall_v commend_v unto_o he_o for_o execution_n interest_n himself_o in_o the_o execution_n of_o whatsoever_o shall_v be_v so_o recommend_v and_o present_v unto_o he_o i_o presume_v a._n s._n will_v not_o arrogate_v unto_o himself_o nor_o to_o his_o assembly_n a_o infallibility_n though_o in_o some_o place_n i_o find_v he_o very_o loath_a to_o abate_v this_o in_o the_o reckon_n if_o it_o will_v be_v allow_v and_o the_o truth_n be_v that_o the_o whole_a fabric_n well-nigh_o of_o his_o discourse_n to_o make_v it_o rational_a and_o any_o thing_n to_o
somewhat_o narrow_o throughout_o the_o sect._n 16_o whole_a volume_n of_o his_o discourse_n to_o find_v something_o that_o with_o any_o indulgence_n of_o imagination_n may_v be_v conceive_v to_o look_v like_o a_o proof_n of_o this_o his_o opinion_n and_o can_v find_v none_o save_v only_o that_o poor_a one_o of_o the_o example_n of_o the_o king_n of_o juda_n pag._n 63_o inforce_v after_o this_o manner_n it_o be_v the_o civil_a magistrate_n part_v to_o take_v away_o heresy_n superstition_n and_o corruption_n in_o manner_n after_o the_o example_n of_o the_o king_n of_o juda._n wherefore_o then_o be_v it_o not_o his_o duty_n likewise_o to_o take_v away_o all_o schism_n which_o be_v the_o high_a way_n to_o and_o sometime_o from_o heresy_n and_o consequent_o to_o deny_v toleration_n which_o be_v a_o way_n to_o both_o reader_n neither_o you_o nor_o i_o must_v be_v offend_v to_o have_v a_o molehill_n of_o proof_n give_v we_o for_o a_o mountain_n of_o conclusion_n you_o must_v know_v it_o be_v the_o manner_n of_o the_o presbyterian_a school_n to_o hang_v great_a weight_n upon_o small_a wyar_n for_o what_o need_v dictator_n argue_n but_o 1._o if_o it_o be_v the_o magistrate_n part_v to_o take_v away_o superstition_n heresy_n etc._n etc._n sect._n 17_o sure_a it_o be_v his_o part_n also_o to_o make_v himself_o able_a to_o discern_v superstition_n and_o heresy_n from_o the_o true_a worship_n and_o truth_n of_o god_n he_o be_v to_o serve_v god_n in_o such_o a_o practice_n with_o his_o own_o understanding_n and_o not_o by_o the_o proctorage_n of_o presbytery_n as_o you_o tell_v the_o apologist_n pag._n 48._o that_o they_o must_v not_o serve_v god_n by_o a_o proctor_n and_o if_o so_o you_o must_v untruss_v and_o deliver_v back_o again_o to_o he_o that_o directive_n power_n in_o matter_n of_o religion_n which_o you_o late_o take_v from_o he_o 2._o when_o the_o magistrate_n take_v away_o superstition_n heresy_n etc._n etc._n he_o sect._n 18_o have_v need_n have_v better_a security_n 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whether_o usurpation_n over_o the_o judgement_n and_o conscience_n of_o the_o saint_n of_o god_n in_o matter_n of_o religion_n be_v not_o as_o grand_a a_o corruption_n in_o manner_n as_o a_o church_n or_o kingdom_n be_v ligh_o incident_a unto_o 3._o because_o the_o example_n of_o the_o king_n of_o judah_n for_o want_n of_o better_a sect._n 19_o argument_n be_v so_o much_o importune_v to_o speak_v a_o good_a word_n for_o that_o executive_a coercive_a power_n in_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n with_o which_o a._n s._n will_v truk_v with_o he_o for_o that_o directive_n power_n before_o speak_v of_o let_v we_o consider_v with_o a_o little_a more_o freedom_n and_o ingenuity_n what_o they_o contribute_v thereunto_o 1._o we_o do_v not_o read_v that_o any_o of_o the_o good_a king_n of_o judah_n ever_o offer_v any_o violence_n to_o the_o true_a prophet_n or_o people_n of_o the_o lord_n except_o it_o be_v in_o passion_n as_o a_o chron._n 16._o 10._o where_o asa_n be_v say_v to_o have_v be_v wroth_a 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banish_v crush_v any_o of_o his_o subject_n for_o the_o exercise_n of_o their_o conscience_n towards_o god_n but_o by_o virtue_n of_o that_o great_a mercy_n vouchsafe_v unto_o he_o by_o god_n in_o give_v he_o part_n and_o fellowshship_n with_o the_o saint_n in_o jesus_n christ_n he_o be_v invest_v with_o a_o new_a power_n to_o persecute_v the_o saint_n and_o to_o make_v they_o pay_v dear_o for_o have_v conscience_n better_o it_o may_v be_v than_o his_o own_o at_o least_o better_a then_o to_o comply_v outward_o with_o what_o they_o can_v inward_o digest_v and_o approve_v if_o this_o be_v the_o case_n between_o a_o christian_a and_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n under_o who_o he_o live_v he_o have_v small_a encouragement_n to_o pray_v for_o the_o conversion_n of_o such_o a_o magistrate_n to_o the_o truth_n in_o case_n he_o be_v for_o the_o present_a heterodox_n or_o pagan_a it_o be_v far_o better_o for_o he_o to_o live_v under_o such_o a_o magistracy_n which_o have_v no_o power_n to_o 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