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A90624 A vindication of The preacher sent, or A vvarrant for publick preaching without ordination. Wherein is further discovered. 1. That some gifted men unordained, are Gospel preachers. 2. That officers sustain not a relation (as officers) to the universal Church; and other weighty questions concerning election and ordination, are opened and cleared. In answer to two books. 1. Vindiciæ ministrij evangelici revindicatæ or the Preacher (pretendly) sent, sent back again. By Dr. Colling of Norwich. 2. Quo warranto, or a moderate enquiry into the warrantableness of the preaching of gifted and unordained persons. By Mr. Pool, at the desire and appointment of the Provincial Assembly of London. With a reply to the exceptions of Mr. Hudson and Dr. Collings against the epistle to the preacher sent. / Published by Frederick Woodal, minister of the Gospel at Woodbridge in Suffolk. Samuel Petto minister of the GospeI [sic] at Sandcraft in Suffolk. Woodall, Frederick, b. 1614.; Petto, Samuel, 1624?-1711. 1659 (1659) Wing P1902; Thomason E1728_2; ESTC R204138 152,808 253

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be_v use_v upon_o the_o most_o special_a occasion_n and_o these_o title_n forbid_v a_o universal_a church_n to_o be_v the_o correlate_n unto_o office_n as_o be_v show_v preacher_n send_v pag._n 10._o 11._o etc._n etc._n as_o to_o act_n 20._o 28._o it_o conclude_v that_o a_o officer_n be_v command_v to_o feed_v all_o the_o flock_n that_o he_o stand_v in_o the_o relation_n of_o a_o bishop_n or_o overseer_n to_o and_o so_o deny_v a_o universal_a church_n to_o be_v that_o flock_n which_o he_o be_v a_o officer_n or_o overseer_n to_o for_o he_o be_v not_o command_v to_o feed_v all_o the_o universal_a church_n and_o this_o show_v that_o the_o term_n pastor_n and_o teacher_n when_o use_v to_o express_v office_n be_v
that_o be_v much_o more_o they_o be_v moderator_n therein_o object_n 3._o they_o ordain_v who_o go_v away_o commend_v the_o people_n to_o the_o lord_n pag._n 125._o ans_fw-fr paul_n and_o barnabas_n for_o aught_o we_o see_v be_v they_o that_o be_v commend_v and_o the_o church_n the_o person_n commend_v they_o to_o the_o lord_n as_o we_o have_v further_o show_v in_o answer_n to_o dr._n collings_n we_o do_v not_o insist_v so_o much_o upon_o its_o reference_n to_o ver_fw-la 22._o but_o as_o strange_a reference_n be_v find_v in_o scripture_n as_o to_o the_o faint_a conclusion_n which_o he_o mention_v pag._n 126._o we_o firm_o prove_v preacher_n send_v pag._n 231._o 232._o that_o it_o can_v be_v mean_v of_o a_o choose_n or_o ordain_v only_o by_o paul_n and_o barnabas_n and_o that_o be_v enough_o against_o he_o prayer_n use_v in_o manage_v election_n be_v no_o essential_a act_n thereof_o as_o it_o be_v of_o ordination_n and_o so_o the_o tautology_n do_v not_o remain_v on_o our_o part_n as_o he_o suppose_v pag._n 127._o the_o scripture_n neither_o use_v such_o tautology_n nor_o express_v imposition_n of_o hand_n by_o that_o word_n which_o signify_v quite_o another_o thing_n our_o present_a work_n be_v to_o deny_v that_o paul_n and_o barnabas_n only_o do_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o what_o we_o say_v if_o grant_v will_v evince_v this_o and_o this_o answer_v what_o be_v say_v pag_n 127._o what_o we_o have_v reply_v to_o dr._n collings_n about_o church_n fitness_n to_o judge_v of_o ministerial_a ability_n will_v answer_v his_o exception_n pag._n 128._o 129._o we_o shall_v add_v a_o few_o word_n in_o the_o next_o chapter_n chap._n xiii_o concern_v election_n as_o essential_a to_o a_o call_v to_o office_n the_o second_o question_n be_v whether_o the_o essence_n of_o a_o call_v to_o office_n lie_v in_o election_n or_o ordination_n we_o prove_v it_o to_o be_v in_o election_n our_o first_o argument_n be_v ground_v upon_o act._n 14._o 23._o and_o be_v vindicate_v already_o that_o the_o essence_n of_o the_o call_n lie_v not_o in_o ordination_n we_o prove_v divers_a way_n argu._n 1._o ordination_n do_v not_o set_v a_o man_n over_o a_o church_n ergo_fw-la object_n 1._o this_o be_v but_o a_o beg_a the_o question_n pag._n 131._o ans_fw-fr there_o be_v not_o a_o word_n of_o set_v over_o a_o church_n by_o ordination_n in_o the_o question_n it_o be_v a_o apt_a medium_n that_o which_o give_v the_o essence_n of_o the_o call_n do_v set_v over_o a_o church_n ordination_n do_v not_o set_v over_o a_o church_n for_o 1._o a_o man_n may_v be_v ordain_v and_o yet_o be_v over_o no_o church_n at_o all_o 2._o if_o it_o do_v then_o there_o must_v be_v a_o iteration_n of_o ordination_n both_o these_o we_o prove_v preacher_n send_v pag._n 246._o 247._o etc._n etc._n ergo_fw-la ordination_n do_v not_o give_v the_o essence_n o●_n the_o call_n obj._n 2._o election_n may_v be_v necessary_a as_o the_o causa_fw-la sine_fw-la q●a_fw-la non_fw-la and_o yet_o ordination_n may_v be_v the_o causa_fw-la formalis_fw-la of_o the_o call_v pag._n 131._o answ_n 1._o that_o which_o make_v a_o superior_a and_o inferior_a be_v the_o causa_fw-la formalis_fw-la of_o office-power_n and_o that_o which_o set_v over_o a_o church_n do_v so_o and_o therefore_o must_v needs_o be_v more_o than_o a_o causa_fw-la sine_fw-la qua_fw-la non_fw-la even_o the_o cause_n formalis_fw-la of_o office-power_n that_o which_o set_v a_o man_n over_o a_o woman_n as_o her_o head_n be_v the_o causa_fw-la formalis_fw-la of_o the_o conjugal_a relation_n that_o which_o set_v over_o servant_n be_v the_o causa_fw-la formalis_fw-la of_o the_o relation_n of_o a_o master_n so_o here_o 2._o his_o instance_n can_v help_v he_o to_o that_o of_o presentation_n we_o say_v 1._o the_o magna_fw-la charta_fw-la of_o christ_n empower_v a_o church_n to_o elect_n without_o submission_n unto_o other_o man_n 2._o in_o such_o a_o case_n the_o essence_n be_v convey_v in_o election_n the_o gentleman_n approbation_n or_o representation_n be_v only_o a_o causa_fw-la sine_fw-la qua_fw-la non_fw-la exercitii_fw-la 3._o the_o instance_n be_v impertinent_a because_o it_o prove_v not_o a_o call_n to_o office_n but_o a_o civil_a call_n as_o to_o that_o of_o arch-bishop_n it_o be_v a_o beg_v the_o question_n that_o his_o call_n do_v lie_v in_o consecration_n the_o king_n do_v write_v to_o certain_a bishop_n to_o confirm_v the_o election_n now_o confirmation_n follow_v creation_n nor_o can_v the_o essence_n of_o the_o call_v be_v in_o it_o ob._n 3._o his_o ordination_n set_v he_o over_o a_o church_n indefinite_o his_o election_n set_v he_o over_o this_o or_o that_o particular_a church_n pag._n 132._o answ_n 1._o three_o argument_n we_o give_v against_o this_o preacher_n sent._n pag._n 248_o 249._o which_o be_v unanswered_a 2._o we_o will_v know_v which_o set_v over_o give_v the_o call_n to_o exercise_v office-power_n that_o which_o give_v operari_fw-la give_v esse_fw-la man_n can_v challenge_v neither_o audience_n nor_o maintenance_n until_o a_o call_v to_o exercise_v it_o be_v a_o strange_a paradox_n that_o one_o shall_v be_v set_v over_o the_o catholic_a church_n when_o yet_o he_o may_v just_o be_v deny_v a_o liberty_n to_o exercrse_v office-power_n in_o any_o particular_a church_n 3._o his_o instance_n of_o a_o dr._n of_o physic_n be_v impertinent_a physician_n be_v not_o ruler_n be_v not_o over_o any_o by_o a_o choice_n or_o otherwise_o neither_o be_v there_o a_o parity_n between_o academical_a and_o ecclesiastical_a preferment_n arg._n 2._o our_o second_o argument_n be_v from_o ordination_n be_v consequential_a to_o a_o man_n have_v the_o essence_n of_o the_o call_v to_o office_n act_v 13._o 2_o 3._o ob._n 1._o there_o be_v a_o ordination_n ad_fw-la munus_fw-la to_o a_o office_n and_o another_o ad_fw-la opus_fw-la to_o a_o work_n this_o text_n speak_v of_o ordination_n to_o a_o work_n pag._n 132._o answ_n we_o believe_v that_o the_o apostle_n have_v no_o ordination_n to_o office_n but_o only_o to_o office-work_n and_o therefore_o his_o ordination_n which_o come_v after_o do_v not_o give_v his_o call_n to_o office_n no_o more_o do_v it_o give_v it_o to_o any_o gospel_n officer_n in_o a_o proper_a sense_n ob._n 2._o they_o gassert_v that_o the_o essence_n of_o the_o call_n lie_v in_o election_n and_o to_o urge_v this_o they_o urge_v the_o election_n of_o a_o apostle_n act_v 1._o as_o in_o that_o election_n so_o in_o this_o ordination_n some_o thing_n be_v extraordinary_a and_o peculiar_a to_o the_o apostle_n viz._n that_o the_o essence_n of_o their_o call_n do_v not_o lie_v in_o this_o ordination_n pag_n 133._o answ_n 1._o this_o be_v a_o gross_a mistake_n for_o we_o do_v not_o as_o he_o injurious_o report_v urge_v the_o election_n of_o a_o apostle_n act._n 1._o to_o prove_v that_o the_o essence_n of_o the_o call_n lie_v in_o election_n we_o plain_o deny_v it_o preacher_n sent._n pag._n 267_o 268._o though_o we_o improve_v their_o objection_n from_o that_o text_n against_o themselves_o it_o be_v to_o prove_v another_o proposition_n that_o we_o urge_v act_n 1._o viz._n that_o the_o power_n of_o election_n belong_v to_o a_o church_n preacher_n sent._n pag._n 216._o and_o therefore_o mr._n pool_n argument_n pag._n 133_o be_v nothing_o to_o we_o 2._o that_o it_o can_v be_v no_o good_a plea_n in_o this_o case_n to_o say_v it_o be_v extraordinory_n in_o that_o particular_a we_o prove_v preacher_n sent._n pag._n 252._o etc._n etc._n 255_o 256._o and_o that_o it_o shall_v be_v a_o complete_a ordination_n in_o all_o the_o act_n and_o requisite_n belong_v to_o it_o and_o yet_o not_o attain_v the_o main_a end_n which_o ●e_n suppose_v be_v the_o giving_z the_o essence_n of_o a_o call_n to_o office_n who_o will_v believe_v it_o the_o apostle_n need_v not_o ordination_n if_o the_o use_n of_o that_o have_v be_v to_o give_v the_o essence_n of_o a_o call_n 3._o this_o clear_o prove_v that_o a_o call_v to_o office_n and_o ordination_n be_v separable_a a_o call_n may_v be_v as_o here_o before_o and_o yet_o a_o complete_a ordination_n in_o all_o its_o act_n come_v afterward_o and_o therefore_o the_o intendment_n of_o ordination_n be_v not_o to_o give_v the_o essence_n unto_o a_o call_n to_o office_n ob._n 5._o peradventure_o paul_n have_v the_o essence_n of_o his_o call_n from_o his_o ordination_n man_n be_v use_v as_o instrument_n yet_o to_o speak_v proper_o it_o be_v not_o man_n but_o god_n that_o be_v paul_n ordainer_n for_o the_o holy_a ghost_n say_v separate_v i_o etc._n etc._n pag._n 135._o ans_fw-fr 1._o this_o be_v gross_a for_o paul_n be_v a_o apostle_n divers_a year_n before_o this_o ordination_n that_o be_v after_o he_o have_v be_v at_o jerusalem_n act_v 12._o 25._o and_o 13._o v._o 2_o 3._o but_o god_n have_v reveal_v christ_n in_o he_o and_o make_v he_o a_o apostle_n above_o three_o year_n before_o
brethren_n as_o we_o show_v preacher_n send_v p._n 326._o as_o to_o what_o he_o say_v pag._n 142_o to_o tit._n 1._o 5._o we_o answer_v we_o do_v not_o call_v ordination_n a_o unnecessary_a adjunct_n the_o apostle_n pain_n may_v have_v be_v very_o useful_a in_o other_o place_n when_o yet_o the_o lord_n will_v have_v they_o abide_v at_o jerusalem_n and_o so_o titus_n at_o crete_n the_o set_n in_o order_n thing_n that_o be_v want_v be_v express_o and_o first_o mention_v as_o the_o cause_n of_o titus_n his_o stay_n at_o crete_n and_o as_o that_o concern_v but_o the_o well-being_n of_o the_o church_n no_o more_o do_v ordain_v of_o elder_n in_o every_o city_n for_o church_n have_v a_o be_v before_o officer_n act_n 14._o 23._o and_o if_o titus_n himself_o have_v act_v in_o neither_o of_o these_o work_n but_o only_o have_v take_v the_o oversight_n of_o those_o church_n and_o direct_v they_o therein_o yet_o it_o will_v have_v be_v necessary_a enough_o especial_o in_o that_o infant_n state_n of_o the_o church_n that_o titus_n shall_v a_o bide_v at_o crete_n but_o doubtless_o he_o have_v preach_v work_n enough_o there_o which_o be_v great_a than_o his_o ordain_v elder_n ob._n 2._o from_o the_o nature_n of_o election_n deu._n 1._o 13._o look_n what_o moses_n be_v to_o the_o jew_n that_o be_v minister_n unto_o the_o church_n etc._n etc._n here_o be_v no_o difference_n at_o all_o in_o the_o power_n and_o authority_n of_o moses_n and_o minister_n only_o the_o one_o be_v civil_a the_o other_o ecclesiastical_a mr._n pool_n p._n 143._o answ_n 1._o the_o commonwealth_n of_o the_o jew_n be_v a_o thearchy_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o legislative_a part_n of_o government_n but_o it_o be_v a_o monarchy_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o executive_a part_n and_o moses_n the_o monarch_n thereof_o the_o spiritual_a commonwealth_n or_o minister_n not_o so_o 2._o the_o power_n of_o moses_n be_v supreme_a all_o other_o power_n subordinate_a unto_o he_o the_o power_n of_o spiritual_a officer_n not_o so_o 3._o moses_n have_v power_n to_o appoint_v officer_n of_o a_o new_a species_n under_o he_o exod._n 18._o ver_fw-la 24._o minister_n not_o so_o 4._o christ_n be_v compare_v with_o moses_n heb._n 3._o not_o so_o with_o minister_n of_o the_o gospel_n 5._o moses_n be_v over_o babe_n and_o such_o as_o be_v under_o tutor_n and_o governor_n minister_n over_o a_o free_a people_n 6._o yet_o moses_n give_v to_o the_o people_n those_o that_o they_o give_v to_o he_o so_o christ_n the_o king_n 15._o d._n 1._o v._n 13._o 15._o of_o saint_n give_v unto_o his_o church_n those_o that_o according_a to_o his_o direction_n they_o choose_v that_o freeman_n in_o a_o corporation_n give_v the_o essential_o of_o a_o call_v to_o their_o officer_n etc._n etc._n be_v enough_o to_o show_v that_o such_o as_o have_v no_o office-power_n yet_o frequent_o do_v make_v officer_n which_o answer_v the_o provinc_fw-la ass_n especial_o see_v they_o ground_n their_o objection_n upon_o a_o general_a rule_n nihil_fw-la that_fw-mi quod_fw-la non_fw-la habet_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o christ_n free-people_n may_v have_v office-power_n eminent_o in_o they_o as_o well_o as_o those_o instance_a in_o be_v enough_o for_o we_o here_o we_o be_v in_o the_o defensive_a part_n but_o whereas_o he_o call_v p._n 144._o for_o divine_a institution_n we_o reply_v 1._o many_o like_a instance_n lie_n give_v and_o we_o have_v as_o good_a reason_n to_o call_v for_o a_o divine_a institution_n there_o as_o when_o he_o tell_v we_o pag._n 7._o of_o a_o vast_a number_n of_o sheep_n commit_v to_o twenty_o shepherd_n &c_n &c_n and_o p._n 8._o of_o a_o general_a relation_n to_o the_o whole_a empire_n &_o a_o special_a respect_n to_o their_o own_o territory_n we_o crave_v a_o divine_a institution_n for_o any_o such_o order_n in_o the_o church_n and_o so_o for_o his_o instance_n pag._n 131._o 132_o about_o a_o presentation_n and_o the_o archbishop_n and_o a_o d●_n of_o physic_n and_o 137._o 138._o of_o a_o corporation_n a_o court_n of_o alderman_n etc._n etc._n let_v he_o show_v a_o divine_a institution_n that_o it_o be_v so_o in_o the_o church_n and_o why_o do_v he_o require_v of_o we_o and_o not_o give_v it_o himself_o the_o use_n of_o such_o example_n be_v to_o clear_v some_o general_a rule_n to_o illustrate_v and_o to_o show_v that_o there_o be_v case_n parallel_v and_o we_o go_v thus_o far_o 2._o we_o give_v a_o institution_n in_o our_o argument_n to_o prove_v that_o election_n give_v the_o essence_n of_o the_o call_n as_o to_o minister_n be_v before_o the_o church_n we_o sufficient_o disprove_v it_o in_o our_o former_a book_n pag._n 303_o 304._o it_o be_v evident_a that_o church_n be_v before_o elder_n act._n 14._o 23._o it_o concern_v he_o to_o prove_v that_o any_o ordinary_a elder_n be_v before_o a_o church_n and_o that_o they_o act_n as_o officer_n to_o such_o as_o be_v no_o church_n else_o he_o say_v nothing_o to_o the_o purpose_n that_o church_n to_o be_v be_v gather_v and_o baptize_v by_o they_o 〈◊〉_d 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