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A67871 A just vindication of the questioned part of the reading of Edward Bagshaw, Esq; an apprentice of the common law. Had in the Middle Temple Hall the 24th day of February, being Munday, anno Dom. 1639. upon the statute of 25 E.3. called, Statutum pro clero, from all scandalous aspersions whatsoever. With a true narrative of the cause of silencing the reader by the then Archbishop of Canterbury: with the arguments at large of those points in his reading, for which he was questioned at the Council-Board. Bagshaw, Edward, d. 1662. 1660 (1660) Wing B396; ESTC R208288 31,311 44

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