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A52048 The power of the civil magistrate in matters of religion vindicated the extent of his power determined in a sermon preached before the first Parliament on a monthly fast day / by ... Mr. Stephen Marshall ... / published by G. Firmin ... with notes upon the sermon. Marshall, Stephen, 1594?-1655.; Firmin, Giles, 1614-1697. 1657 (1657) Wing M769; ESTC R31209 38,128 52

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