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A48816 Considerations touching the true way to suppress popery in this kingdom by making a distinction between men of loyal and disloyal principles in that communion : on occasion whereof is inserted an historical account of the Reformation here in England. Lloyd, William, 1627-1717. 1677 (1677) Wing L2676; ESTC R2677 104,213 180

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