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A94219 A balm to heal religions wounds applied in a serious advice to sober-minded Christians that love the truth, and are well-wishers to reformation : in answer to The pulpit guard routed, lately set forth by one Thomas Collier ... / by Richard Saunders ... Saunders, Richard, d. 1692. 1652 (1652) Wing S755A; ESTC R42466 75,152 187

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neither and therefore the lesse to his purpose Oh the confidence of men that can triumph in such heterogenious stuffe But let us see whether the Scriptures thar are behind will prove any whit better for his turne He often urges 1 Pet. 4.10 11 Every man as he hath received the Gift so let him minister the same c. And Rom. 12.6 7. they may be spoken to both under one 1. This is a very farre fetcht consequence Christians must administer their gifts therefore they must be Publique Preachers Is there no way in which a gifted Christian can make use of his Talent unlesse he enter upon that work which God hath appointed men in office to doe How many pretious souls when this thing was never heard of did in former times meet together discourse together of the things of God making use of their gifts in comforting one another instructing their children families friends in such a way as was convenient and yet never dreamt of turning Preachers though they knew they must administer their gifts The P. G. Routed is unwilling to see the soundnesse of the distinction between publique and private Preaching Preaching taken in a large and Preaching taken in a strict sence which I proved before by two I think invincible Arguments Take that distinction along with you and you may easily answer what is pleaded from these Scriptures But 2. Doth not this exhortation in 1 Pet. 4. Rom. 12. extend to women think you as well as men 'T is in the Originall 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Every one Must not women administer their gifts as they have received I have proved they must from 2 Tim. 1.5 compared with 2 Tim. 3.15 Acts 18.26 Prov. 31.1 and yet you know they may not Preach publiquely in the Church Wherefore the meaning of the two Apostles can be no more but this Let every one as he is enabled labour to communicate good unto others every one in his proper place and capacity if he have the station of a private member let him use his gifts by brotherly advice admonition c. if he hath the extraordinary gift of Prophecy for I shall prove Prophecy signifies an extraordinary gift let him Prophecy If he be called to be a Pastour and Teacher let him attend diligently on that if a Deacon let him follow that work faithfully if a Ruling Elder let him be diligent and upright in Ruling Weigh the expressions well with what I have said and tell me whether this be not the very direct scope of these two Scriptures now under examination and if so then alas what make they for his purpose sure nothing at all A small matter you see will lead men that way which the stream of their spiritual pride carries them or else these Scriptures would not be taken for a sufficient ground for private Christians to undertake the publique work of a Minister He sometimes comes in with that in Psal 145.10 11. All thy works shall praise thee O Lord and thy Saints shall blesse thee They shall speake of the glory of thy Kingdome and talk of thy power As though this hath any relation to publique Preaching and not rather to those Christian duties of Prayer Praise and Discourse in which the Saints shall acknowledge God and the great things which he ha's done for them There is but one Scripture more and that is the constant place of refuge which he makes use of when most put to it and forced to speak to his Question and that is 1 Cor. 14.31 which as he sayes proves gifted Brethrens liberty to Preach in a Church constituted This I shall clear in a Discourse by it selfe concerning Prophecy in the next place In the meane while see how these men cry out for expresse Scripture expresse Scripture when the Question is about any thing that crosses their phansie and yet cry downe all for Antichristian and enemies to the Spirit in the Saints who withstand such things as they can bring no other Scripture for then what indeed speaks nothing at all to their purpose being rightly understood as you see That the gift of Prophecy which we read of in first times of the Gospel Church was extraordinary and not as the P. G. Routed sayes proper to all the Saints I Resolved to handle this by it selfe and that somewhat largely because there is no one thing he doth so much insist upon as this that Prophecying is an ordinary gift and as he sayes proper to all the Saints and therefore according to Paul 1 Cor. 14.31 Christians may all Prophesie one by one This then is necessary to be cleared that the gift of Prophecy was extraordinary and so ending with the Apostolicall times when the Scriptures were perfected which if I can doe there will remaine nothing unanswered of all he hath written for Preaching without Ordination or an externall call to the Ministeriall office You may read page 79. how that he brings in his Adversary objecting that the Prophets spoken of in 1 Cor. 14. were extraordinary and you may observe it he takes no notice of his Reasons but answers I say they were not extraordinary but ordinary A good answer Ipse dixit Collier sayes it This puts me in mind of a story I have heard of a Polemicall Doctour that used in his Sermons to beat much upon Controversies once handling a difference between us and the Papists he cites Bellarmine and sayes Bellarmine says so but I say Bellarmine thou lieft and where is he now So this man Mr Hall sayes they were extraordinary but I say no where is he now If his testimony be infallible then you may take it for a truth which he so confidently affirmes but if we may beleeve Scripture before him I shall discover it to be false and that first answering his Arguments and then laying downe mine owne I will doe him so much right as to give you a view of all his strength not in one place onely but in every place where he speaks any thing argumentatively to this Question that nothing may goe unanswered I find five reasons urged not all together but some in one place some in another in page 60.81.83.87 I shall make reply to them in their order His first Reason is in page 60. where he sayes Prophecying was an extraordinary gift in the time of the Law The P. G. Routed but in the Gospel dayes it is not so because it is to speake edification exhortation and comfort 1 Cor. 14.3 which is ordinary and proper to all the Saints You shall have some sophistry from him though but little good Logick Answer Prophets speake to edification c. Therefore those that speak to edification are Prophets This is his reasoning But I answer This is a Fallacy which we call Fallacia consequentis which is when one thinks consequencies or propositions are convertible and reciprocall when they are not 'T is true such as were Prophets did speake to edification c. But it