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A88100 A discourse concerning Puritans. A vindication of those, who uniustly suffer by the mistake, abuse, and misapplication of that name. A tract necessary and usefull for these times. Ley, John, 1583-1662, attributed name.; Parker, Henry, 1604-1652, attributed name. 1641 (1641) Wing L1875; Thomason E204_3; ESTC R15236 40,576 60

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