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A62864	Anti-pædobaptism, or, The third part being a full review of the dispute concerning infant baptism : in which the arguments for infant baptism from the covenant and initial seal, infants visible church membership, antiquity of infant baptism are refelled [sic] : and the writings of Mr. Stephen Marshal, Mr. Richard Baxter ... and others are examined, and many points about the covenants, and seals and other truths of weight are handled / by John Tombes.	Tombes, John, 1603?-1676.	1657 (1657)	Wing T1800; ESTC R28882	1,260,695	1,095

limitation of all things necessary to salvation or of all things needfull to withstand the seducers he mentions not a word ●hat mentions their prophesying Nor doth Joh. 7.39 prove every believer a prophet nor may it be gathered from 1 Thes. 5.19 20. that such preaching which we must suppose may bring us something that is not good is called prophesying but that something may be termed prophesying which is not and therefore the spirits are to be tried whether they be of God for many false pro●hets are gone out into the world as John speaks 1 Epist. 4.1 Nor is it true that Peter exhorts the Jews Act. 2.38 to repent that is to go on as they had begun For though they had some horrour of conscience v. 37. yet not repentance unto which Peter exhorts v. 38. nor doth any word used by Peter intimate that they had begun to repent And what Mr. C. adds to the clause to as many as the Lord our ●od shall call not onely to them but also to their children is too bold dealing with the Scripture there being not a word in the Text which implieth that addition and therefore is not justified by his allegations of Psal. 1.6 Prov. 10.24 What other arguments for Mr. Cs. purpose have been urged from Act. 2.38 39. have been largely answered already I go on Mr. C. adds p. 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99. a large discourse in whi●h 1. there is p. 97. a confession which doth invincibly prove infant Baptism to be will worship and his speech false which he used p. 8● that the New Testam●nt is not altogether silent in this matter and it is this Whoever shall confine himself onely to the N. T. to find out the law of Gods worship and service he shall never find it not onely as to infant Baptism but also to all other Ordinances whatsoever For if infant Baptism be not to be found in the N. T. then the N. ● is altogether silent about that matter and if it be not there then it is will worship there being no law about a meer positive rite or ceremony in force to us Christian Gentiles now which was giv●n to the Jews in the Old Testament as I have proved Exam. par 3. sect 12. pag. 116 117. Review par 2. sect 2 3. 2. There is in the same p. 97. a false and dangerous speech that Christ spake so little in his N. T. concerning the law which is the rule which he hath set for his service of his house namely because he could look upon that for the greatest part to be done already to wit in the Old Testament Which if true then the laws about the ceremonies of the Jews are our rule we are still under the yoke of bondage popish prelatical ceremonies are still justifiable a Bishop or Archbishop above Presbyters and Bishops appeal to Synods their power to decide controversies to excommunicate a national Church constitution are still to be retained for these or that which was proportionable to these was according to the Rule of Gods house then Nor is there a word in any of the Scriptures which Mr. C. alledgeth for this his purpose Not Luke 16.16 the meaning whereof is not as Mr. C. fancies That in the times before John was the season to instruct men in the law since in the Gospel but as it is Mat. 11.13 All the prophets and the law until John prophesied that is foretold of Christs comming as future but the Kingdome of God 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Luke 16.16 from then is Evangelized or told as good tidings already begu● to be a● Diodati annot on Mat. 11.13 Johns prerogative above the precedent prophets is that they have onely foretold and described things to come but he hath delivered the present salvation and in him is begun the Evangelical Ministery and the legal and figurative Ministery is ceased Yet if Mr. Cs. exposition were allowed it prov●s not that in the Law or Old Testament the rule about the service or meer positive worship of God in the N. T. is set but rather the contrary for if that were the season then for it and now is the season for another thing it follows that it is unseasonable to take a rule for Gods hou●e in meer positive worship from the Old Testament The alledging Psal. 78.1 by Mat. 13.3 9 35. proves not that a rule for rituals is to be fe●cht from the Old Testament although it may be usefull for to prove doctrines about the Gospel Gods providence moral duties c. Though it be granted which Mr. C. concludes pag. 96. the general nature of the Law to bee one and the same to the people of God under both Testaments which is easily yeilded sith the general nature is invariable and the same to all for ever yet it followes not that the Laws about ●eremonies are the same to the people of God under both Testaments if so we are still under the yoke of Circumcision and the Legal rites and under the Law And indeed Mr. C. hath in this thing vented many false and dangerous speeches that to us in Christ the Law hath been as it were incorporated with the Gospel as thereby become part of the covenat of grace the Law given by 〈◊〉 is called the Testa●ent of Christ by●hrist ●hrist himself that the Old Testament this the New and both confirmed by his bloud that in the type by the bloud of Bulls and Goat● th●● in the answer type by his own bloud And yet he sa●th the Apostle R●m 1● 6 applieth Deut. 30 ●2 14 to the Gospel in opposition to the Law as in it self considered without the Gospel or as a covenant of works which words are contrary to his former For if the Gospel be opposed to the Law by the Apostle as it is in it self considered is without the Gospel is a covenant of works then the Law is not incorporated with the Gospel or thereby become part of the covenant of grace nor is the Law given by Moses called the Testament of Christ nor confirmed by his bloud but the bloud of Bulls and Goats ill termed Christs bloud being opposed Heb. 9.12 In like manner it is a dangerous assertion which he hath pag. 95. In the covenant of workes the Law was Do this and live but in the covenant of grace it is Do this in the strength of Christ and live which if right we live that is are justified for so his words following explain it by the doing the works of the law in the strength of Christ which if I do understand it is the very doctrine of Bellarmine Tom. 4. de justific l. 1. c. 19. and other Papists saying the Apostle excludes not works done after grace by faith from justification but afore faith Which Protestant Divines commonly refute as ●areus in his Castigations Ames in his Bellarm. enerv Chamier Tom. 3. paustr. lib. 22. c. 2. Abbots defence of Perkins p. 502. Rivet sum contr tract 4. qu. 10.

both the partaking and also the knowledge of the Gospel It is true Muncer was a busie man in Thuringia and stirred up the people disposed to tumults by reason of oppressions and at Munster in Westphalia in the years 1532 1533. were stirs and out-rages but even Spanheimius himself sets down the beginning of them to have been upon the Protestant reformation by the preaching of Rotmannus and others afore the comming of John Matthias and John Becold of Leyden the Bishop and Canons of Munster being Papists opposing it How in like manner the Bishop of Geneva was expelled when the Protestants grew potent there and the like was done in other places is manifest by records extant which acts have been repres●n●ed as alike odious with those of Muncer and at Munster and would h ave been so reputed if there had been the like success I mean the adverse party had prevailed as they did in these Our present distractions cannot with any shew of truth be said to take their spring from Anabap●ism by any that know things from the relation of men im●loyed in publike negotiations their being neither in the beginning nor now either in the Councel of State or Parliaments or Armies or City of London or Universities or Countries any such persons or parties as could sw●y things any further then to put some stop to the violence of the Clergy against them to which as the cause of them though not the onely the present distractions are to be referred to whom how much in former ages and at this present the great troubles of the Churches of God are to be ascribed may be seen in part in Mr. Baxters Book intituled The Reformed Pastour ch 4. sect 1 2. and in many histories Mr. Cr. adds which reason with experience dictates for by their principles whole nations are unchurched and none received into communion but by re-baptizing all former members esteemed as Publicans and Heathens hence Magistracy and Ministry that dissents are by them wholly disgusted if not discarded Answ ... Experience hath not proved either the disasters in Germany or our present distractions to have sprung from Anabap●ism but from other causes chiefly the oppression of Princes and Prelates 2. Nor are Mr. Crs. reasons sufficient to evince Anabaptism a cause of such troubles For the first principle that whole nations are unchurched is as well the Independent as Paedobaptists principle among whom is Mr. Cradock counted a light in their Goshen of Monmouthshire by the relatour of the dispute in the Epistle dedicatory and if so the present distractions are to be ascribed with as good reason to Indepency as to Anabaptism and perhaps with greater it being considered that they have been and are the more potent party As the Papists imputed all the troubles to Protestant principles of Christian ●iber●y the Prelates to non conformists whom it hi● gift long since compared with Anabaptists because they alledged ag●inst Prelacy Matth. 20 25 26. so the Presbyterians charge the like on Independency and perhaps Independents on Anabaptism yet none of their principles are indeed the spring of the troubles but the violence of the leading men of each party who by their mis-reports and clamors stir up Magistrates and people against their opposites and will by no means allow liberty to them nor willingly life of which spirit Mr. Cr. seems by his writing to bee and I suppose the State will discern all such as will not tolerate others who dissent in religion intolerable 2. It is false that Magistracy and Ministry that dissents is by Anabaptists wholly disgusted if not discarded For though I cannot justifie all so called there being violent spirits among them who are intolerable as well as o●hers yet neither do all nor any great part that I know of appear to be such But if they did yet sure it comes ●ot from those principles fore-named by Mr. Cr. there being no such consequ●nce included in those tenents that they who are not Churchme●bers are not to be accounted Magistrates As Bp. Andrews answered resp ad Bellarm Apol. c. 1 p. 30. Bellarmine alledging the Puritans did not admit the Kings Supremacy because they brought a parity into the Church To the Kings Supremacy what is parity among Elders in the Church Videt ergo lector ludere hîc pa● impar Cardinalem so may I say to Mr Cr. The Baptists do not count whole nations to be Churches of Christ and with them agree Independents as Dr. Owen of Schism ch 7 c The Baptists receive none into communion but the baptized esteemed all other as not in the Church visible though these two last are denied by many of them what is the non-admission into the Church to the disgusting or discarding of Magistracy in the Common-wealth The Reader therefore sees Mr. Cr. to play here par impar even and odd What Mr. Cr. hath suffered for patronage of respect to tender Consciences I know not nor who are for promiscuous toleration without distinction What he adds out of the old Testam●●t of P●inces punishing idolatry and blasphemy was done by special judicial laws of Moses which do not binde Christian Magistrates if they did it makes nothing for the punishing of errours of Christians about the Christian doctrine by civil punishment It is granted that Ministers are bound to oppose errours by preaching and Ecclesiastical censures both singly and in Councils yet neither have Councils nor the learnedst Doctours been very happy in determining of errours and heresies That which was heresi● in one Council was Orthodox in another under one Emperor that was adjudged ●ruth which was blasphemy under another What strange kinds of Heretiques were the Quartodecimani Aerians Helvidians and many more Had Vigilantius or Jovinian saith Mr. Baxter in his Reformed Pastour p. ●47 had Hieromes name some of their Heresies might possibly have been articles of faith Nor was it well done however Mr. Cr. conceives that well-minded Emperours did rely so much on the advise of Synods and Bishops as to banish and destroy at the instance of them such as they judged heretiques and schismatiques The sad tragedies about the doctrines of the Trinity Images Easter c. are a sufficient document to all wise rulers to bee cautelou● how they use their power for suppressing persons deemed erroneous in point of doctrine There may bee toleration of different opinions in a Commonwealth without mixture of religion and that such toleration doth not dissolve the bond of obedience or breed any of those evils Mr. Cr. reckons up except by accident the peaceable rule of the united Provinces of Belgia and elsewhere shews It is the intemperate zeal of Preachers and others against dissenters which is the chief cause of such evils as Mr. Cr. reckons up I remember that I have read that the Bores of Germany were not subdued till 100000. of them were slain but Sleidan reports not in his Com. l. 7. or any other that in Germany the Anabaptist grew so populous that they could