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bishop_n bilson_n word_n p._n 236._o of_o subjection_n prince_n have_v no_o right_a to_o call_v or_o confirm_v preacher_n but_o to_o receive_v such_o as_o be_v send_v of_o god_n and_o give_v they_o liberty_n for_o their_o preach_v and_o security_n for_o their_o person_n and_o if_o prince_n refuse_v so_o to_o do_v god_n labourer_n must_v go_v forward_o with_o that_o which_o be_v command_v they_o from_o heaven_n not_o by_o disturb_v prince_n from_o their_o throne_n nor_o invade_v their_o realm_n as_o your_o father_n do_v and_o defend_v he_o may_v do_v but_o by_o mild_o submit_v themselves_o to_o the_o power_n on_o earth_n and_o meek_o suffer_v for_o the_o defence_n of_o the_o truth_n what_o they_o shall_v inflict_v pag._n 399._o the_o election_n of_o bishop_n in_o those_o day_n belong_v to_o the_o people_n and_o not_o to_o the_o prince_n and_o though_o by_o plain_a force_n he_o place_v lucius_n there_o yet_o may_v the_o people_n lawful_o reject_v he_o as_o no_o bishop_n and_o cleave_v 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68_o serm._n p._n 44._o if_o they_o form_v their_o judgement_n rather_o by_o prejudice_n and_o passion_n and_o interest_n than_o from_o the_o law_n of_o god_n or_o just_a rule_n of_o conscience_n etc._n etc._n ans_fw-fr 1._o this_o be_v true_a and_o good_a if_o we_o make_v not_o god_n law_n the_o rule_n of_o conscience_n no_o wonder_n if_o we_o err_v god_n preserve_v we_o from_o all_o corrupt_a prejudice_n passion_n interest_n and_o canon_n 2._o but_o when_o you_o compare_v our_o temptation_n from_o interest_n with_o you_o i_o hope_v you_o will_v not_o say_v as_o dr._n asheton_n that_o as_o go_v to_o the_o bar_n of_o god_n he_o undertake_v to_o make_v good_a that_o it_o be_v through_o pride_n and_o covetousness_n that_o we_o conform_v not_o that_o be_v that_o we_o choose_v the_o contempt_n of_o high_a and_o low_a and_o to_o live_v on_o alm_n and_o multitude_n in_o pinch_a poverty_n §_o 69._o serm._n p._n 46._o we_o find_v uniformity_n and_o order_n condemn_v as_o tyrannical_a till_o 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not_o the_o independent_o 2._o if_o they_o speak_v either_o for_o or_o against_o toleration_n as_o you_o do_v without_o distinction_n and_o be_v for_o all_o or_o against_o all_o and_o distinguish_v not_o the_o tolerable_a from_o the_o intolerable_a it_o be_v no_o great_a heed_n to_o be_v take_v what_o they_o say_v if_o there_o be_v but_o one_o false_a word_n impose_v on_o you_o which_o you_o can_v not_o assent_v to_o and_o on_o 2000_o such_o as_o you_o shall_v you_o be_v no_o more_o tolerate_v than_o a_o mahometan_a §_o 71._o as_o to_o your_o advice_n to_o we_o p._n 47._o 48._o 1._o do_v you_o think_v that_o because_o we_o must_v bear_v with_o much_o that_o be_v amiss_o in_o the_o church_n that_o therefore_o we_o must_v either_o consent_v to_o it_o or_o practice_v it_o and_o covenant_n against_o all_o endeavour_n of_o amend_v it_o or_o prefer_v it_o before_o better_a the_o man_n you_o talk_v of_o out_o of_o mr._n ball_n be_v near_o bremicham_n and_o be_v melancholy_a to_o a_o kind_n 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to_o communicate_v with_o they_o if_o they_o may_v be_v excuse_v as_o to_o kneel_v cross_v etc._n etc._n you_o take_v it_o for_o preach_v when_o forbid_v i_o have_v name_v to_o you_o the_o old_a nonconformist_n that_o preach_v when_o they_o can_v and_o half_a of_o they_o i_o think_v get_v into_o small_a privilege_a place_n exempt_a from_o the_o bishop_n power_n and_o there_o preach_v most_o of_o they_o without_o the_o liturgy_n and_o all_o without_o the_o ceremony_n and_o be_v not_o this_o against_o law_n sure_a bishop_n bancroft_n that_o describe_v their_o attempt_n to_o set_v up_o new_a church_n and_o discipline_n be_v not_o of_o your_o mind_n concern_v the_o nonconformist_n judgement_n we_o have_v but_o two_o in_o all_o shropshire_n and_o dr._n allestree_n when_o a_o boy_n be_v the_o catechise_v auditor_n of_o one_o of_o they_o be_v his_o next_o neighbour_n in_o a_o peculiar_a chapel_n without_o the_o liturgy_n etc._n etc._n and_o yet_o i_o think_v not_o that_o his_o father_n and_o 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